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Microsoft Exec Defends Xbox One's Frame Rate/ Resolution Problems

We’ve seen it before, and now we’re seeing it again. Another multiplatform game, in this case Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition, performs with less impressive technical statistics on the Xbox One. In a long podcast with Gamertag radio, Microsoft Microsoft Director of Product Planning Albert Penello touched on some of those controversial topics for which his platform has been getting so much flak.

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ZodTheRipper1391d ago (Edited 1391d ago )

"Sometimes I think people tend to neglect the points that are in my favor and they like to highlight the points that tell me that I am wrong."

lol Penello went from arrogant to apologetic to butthurt in less than half a year

"I still think Ryse is still the best looking game on any platform. Period. End of story."

It's ok Albert, we hear you. Don't be mad.

xHeavYx1391d ago

Lol, wait, one link to a website, that completely changes everything, facts don't matter anymore.

Penello not only admitted that the PS4 is more powerful but also made a fool of himself.
I'd rather save $100 and use the remore to switch to TV if I need to, but keep the more powerful machine

Kayant1391d ago

@xHeavYx

"Lol, wait, one link to a website, that completely changes everything, facts don't matter anymore." - Yep. Well said. On a technical level KZ:SF beats Ryse in most things except facial tech.

Mikelarry1391d ago

@ Heavy

lol

OT: since the COD resolution fiasco i am never taking albert seriously anymore

georgeenoob1391d ago (Edited 1391d ago )

There is only SUBTLE differences in appearance with 720p and 1080p. Show me proof (not just one biased source) of the amazing differences you playstation fans clam. 30fps and 60fps is a big difference though, and the only game that has this difference is a next-gen edition of a last-gen game.

Oh, and a little resolution difference (which will change after the update), doesn't stop X1 from bringing the best games. The Playstation era is in fact back, but on Xbox. We now know Crackdown 3 and a new Gears of War is coming along with the rest of X1's staggering line-up.

dantesparda1391d ago (Edited 1391d ago )

This guy needs to just shut up, all he does is make himself look like a bigger fool each time he talks. His job makes him look pathetic.

And exactly mystic, i was just about to say the same thing to georgenoob. But he knows, he's just a mad, phony fanboy/apologist
/denialist

MysticStrummer1391d ago (Edited 1391d ago )

I hope this is another story about the same interview. If he's falling back on Ryse at every opportunity, and saying the exact same thing, that would be pretty funny.

And yes, Ryse has great faces but KZ looks better overall, just like Forza's cars look nice but Driveclub looks better overall.

@George - Last gen the differences in multi plats were smaller than they are now, but much was made of those by 360 fans. Get ready for a karmic bloodbath this gen.

@truefan - "ps4=more powerful" : Fact

"XB1=better games." : Opinion

truefan11391d ago (Edited 1391d ago )

I still love the design of the XB1 and that it can do, but not hitting 1080p and 60fsp on certain games is a problem because the ps4 can do it. All in all it doesn't bother me, but it may bother some. ps4=more powerful, XB1=better games.

@Mystic are we talking about Driveclub the game that has been pushed back several times because they were scared to go up against Forza and now they are trying to duck project cars. It's well known that greatness is indeed waiting until at least 2015.

This is opion that is very close to fact
XB1 launch lineup>ps3 launch lineup
XB1 2014 lineup>ps4 line

erathaol1391d ago

"I think people tend to neglect the points that are in my favor"

Hmmmm....

@ Quote from Sammy777

http://insiderp.com/ps4vsxb...
16 ROPS

12 compute units

768 shader units

2 ACE/16 queues
VS

32 ROPS

18 compute units

1152 shader units

8 ACE/64 queues
RAM - 8gb DDR3 at 68g/s ,eSRAM at 102g/s vs GDDR5 at 176g/s

amiga-man1391d ago (Edited 1391d ago )

To be fair he is bringing a knife to a gun fight, it's an argument he can never win his desperate spin becoming more obvious the more he speaks

The PS4 is simply the more powerful console while also being cheaper he can't argue against that.

BattleAxe1391d ago

There's nothing to defend, it is what it is.

godofboobees1391d ago

Georgeenoob is Albert penello

MysticStrummer1391d ago

Yeah truefan, that Driveclub. The racing game that's looked better than Forza since last summer when neither were out yet. Now we know what Forza's release version looks like, and Driveclub looks better before release.

Greatness is here if you want the most powerful hardware, highest reviewed exclusive, and the best looking versions of multi plats.

Those are what's known in the business as facts.

johndoe112111391d ago

Please tell me you're joking with that link?

Ezz20131391d ago

i'm soooo sick of this
just admit your shortcomings ,Microsoft
and move on already

thejigisup1391d ago

wtf is up with that website. garbage link, garbage site, i've given ryse a quick play borderline garbage i didnt have fun at all, couldve been due to the fact i didnt really give it an honest shot but facing the facts i never will( my loss perhaps)

albert penello needs a muzzle.

darren_poolies1391d ago

"30fps and 60fps is a big difference though, and the only game that has this difference is a next-gen edition of a last-gen game."

So the X1 can't even run a last gen game @60fps? That isn't a point in your favor my friend. Also what exactly is so 'staggering' about the X1s lineup?

GarrusVakarian1391d ago (Edited 1391d ago )

Lol @ georgenoob

Just over 2 million pixels (1080p) is not a "subtle" difference to just over 900k pixels (720p). Playing a game at 720p and then the same game at 1080p on a native 1080p TV is NIGHT AND DAY difference. 1080p is blatantly sharper and cleaner, with way less jaggies. It's not a matter of opinion, it's not subjective, you don't have to have 20/20 vision to notice the difference....it's BLATANT. When you see native 1080p, you'll know. 2.25x more pixels is not "subtle".

It's comments like that make me question of you even have a 1080p game and a 1080p TV to play it on.

I find it funny how you downplay the difference between 1080p and 720p because X1 has many sub-1080p games and PS4 has no 720p games. 1080p is MUCH better than 720p, FACT. If the difference was subtle then devs would just stick with 720p.

Axios21391d ago

@ Darren

KNACK
Killzone single player
DriveClub, last time we saw it

What do they have in common?

All run 30fps

Whiskeyjacked871391d ago

@Georgenoob
Your opinions aren't fact. You neglect the fact that Sony has the company that won GOTY award for 2013, you may have heard of them. They are called Naughty Dog. Look them up sometime. Guaranteed when they release their next game it will trump even Xbox Ones finest, ten fold.

medman1390d ago (Edited 1390d ago )

By staggering lineup, the noob means complete and utter sh#t, as Microslop has produced for years on end now. Keep waiting on those game of the year hits from Microslop lil' georgienoob, they ain't comin. If you want the games, you roll with Sony. That much has been well and truly established. And the ps4's launch lineup is rated higher than the bones (truefan1, buy yourself a clue). And Sony's first party studios are far better than Microsoft. And the PS4 is more powerful. And the PS4 is reasonably priced. And it does multiplats better. And it doesn't need fictitious cloudddzzzzz to sucker dumb dumbs out of their money. Sorry you were foolish enough to buy one. You know what they say about fools and their money. Good luck with that. After E3, the xbots will be jumping off bridges en masse, horrified by the complete shellacking delivered by Sony on the heads of every xbot in existence. Granted, there aren't that many of you, but there are enough to make the sight of you jumping off bridges memorable. And hilarious. Microsoft has made complete fools out of every one of you by giving you the honor of paying more to get less. Try harder not to make bigger fools out of yourselves in these forums by arguing in favor of an xbone that even the blind can see is inferior.

mewhy321390d ago

He's a ms exec. move on.

BallsEye1390d ago

@erathaol

Architecture can make huge difference. MS paid 3 billions to AMD for it's GPU tech. So you just posted raw specs vs raw specs.

So lets compare raw specs of 360 and ps3:

http://www.freewebs.com/bad...

As we can see ps3 is far behind, yet I bet everyone in here would agree ps3 was more powerful than 360, right?

By saying raw specs matter more (let's not forget a lot of XO specs are not revealed) you automatically acknowledge that 360 was always way more powerful console than ps3. Disagree? Please have some balls and give a valid reason.

H0RSE1390d ago

@Kayant

"Well said. On a technical level KZ:SF beats Ryse in most things except facial tech."

- but this isn't the argument. The argument is that Ryse is the best looking game thus far, not the most technically demanding. I see this sort of "move the goalpost" tactic a lot from the Sony camp when comparing visuals, where they try to inject how technical a game is to determine the worth of it's visuals. A game can be technically less taxing on a system, yet be a better looking game - it's simple graphics vs aesthetics.

Forza 5 is a beautiful game, yet many want to discredit it for not being as technically advanced as Driveclub. Regardless how many extra techniques DC is using, it doesn't change that Forza is still a nice looking game. The argument is the end result - the visuals themselves, not what was/is involved to reach it.

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-Foxtrot1391d ago

The guy seems like a bit of a dick to be honest

"End of story"

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photo...

MightyNoX1391d ago

Took the words out of my mouth. Love that 'End of story' bit at the end.

H0RSE1390d ago (Edited 1390d ago )

I think much of his demeanor stems from the constant frustration he endures every time he gives an interview. Imagine being interviewed or giving your opinion on topics, only to have them constantly belittled, and yourself personally attacked by the community, sometimes for nothing more than the company (MS) you are associated with. A person could only take so much before they eventually are just like, "f*** it."

The "End of story" remark, was just to emphasize that he want's the discussion to die. He offered his opinion on the issue, and was attacked and challenged as if he was challenging facts. "End of story" is just another way of saying, "it's my opinion, you can't really disprove it."

Ironically, that gif you posted - http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photo...

Is probably how he feels about many of the responses he gets from the community. At this point, I feel like he's gone from wanting to offer genuine feedback on issues, to just coming to the realization that people are going to believe what they want to believe and say what they want to say, so why even bother.

Visiblemarc1391d ago

@georgeenoob

The differences between 720p and 1080p are not subjective. There is over 1 millon more pixels represented in 1080p, it is the whole concept of "Full HD."

Buy whatever console you like, play what games you like, but please stop trying to warp facts to support your preferences. It's absurd.

Saying that it's subjective is like saying that 1 millon is only subjectively less than 2.2 million. It is not at all logical.

Smootherkuzz1391d ago

Xbox One will do 1080p @ 60fps and to say it will not is just crazy. Will it do it as good as the PS is up to the developers not Sony or MS. Developers take the cheaper way to save money! Just because PS has a beefier GPU an slightly faster memory don't mean that every game developed will use all the power of either system, which we can see already. Whatever system you buy a system is only as good as the material and or content.

bryam19821391d ago

Microsoft Exec Defends Xbox One's Frame Rate/ Resolution Problems!

but,but,but didn't the xbone fans keep on saying resolution doesn't matter lol poor blind xbox fans even the ms exec acknowledged the xbox poor capacity

Whiskeyjacked871391d ago

@smootherkuzz keep dreaming.

USA0071391d ago

@Smootherkuzz I like how you say 'slightly' faster RAM, lol. X1 can do 1080p and 60fps, but you'll need a lot of graphical compromises to do it with most intensive games. The truth is the PS4 is a more powerful console and will most likely always out perform the X1. The X1 doesn't have things like its esram optimized in games yet, but even those won't add enough to performance, and PS4 will recieve optimisations also

H0RSE1390d ago (Edited 1390d ago )

The resolution discussion is really short sighted. A game could have higher res assets yet be rendered at a lower resolution, and also have lower rendered assets rendered a higher resolution. - Ex. A game with high res textures, rendered at 720p. A game with lower res textures rendered at 1080p. Which would look better? Vanilla Skyrim at 1080p, or Skyrim w/ high res texture pack at 720p. It makes the argument much more subjective.

The numbers game is also taken too literal, since much of the number games when talking about the technical aspects here, deals with diminishing returns and incremental changes, same with the "50% more power" claims from the Sony camp - it comes down to perspective. If 50% more = 0.1% increase in power, or an extra 2 frames per second, it isn't really impressive. I'm not stating this is the case with PS4 vs X1, it's just pointing out that details of the claims, are more important than the claims themselves. Does anyone actually know what the differences in this chart, actually equate to in real world performance? http://i2.wp.com/www.sonyru...

And finally, much of the end result of games, like whether or not it is 1080p or 60fps, lies with the capabilities of the devs, not the system itself.

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GUTZnPAPERCUTZ1391d ago

Whats more sad is this is third time this site has posted this same remark from 3 different sites... WE GET IT! I hate that this site is pro-sony, it ruins the experience for other gaming platforms, Look how every Sony article has a high degree on here... Yeah, it's stupid

johndoe112111391d ago

No one is forcing you to post or visit here. If you hate the site so much just stop visiting and find a site you like. Unless you get some sort of warped enjoyment out of being unhappy?

GarrusVakarian1390d ago

Then you would have hated it back at the start of last gen when this site was pro-MS.

The tides turn, power changes hands, fan ratio's change....deal with it.

GribbleGrunger1390d ago (Edited 1390d ago )

It's not just framerate though:

http://i.imgur.com/cQCWacC....

If I didn't know better, I'd say the X1 version was 900p upscaled to 1080p

GarrusVakarian1390d ago (Edited 1390d ago )

X1 version looks horrible, all the blacks are crushed due to the broken full RGB mode (look at the plants and the rock on the left (no detail because of black crush) and it's way over saturated causing loss of details on coloured sections (look at the rear wing of the plane, there's hardly any detail, it just looks like a bright, blurry mess). Also, the X1 version just looks.....muddier, blurrier in general. It's not as clean or as sharp as the PS4 version.

GribbleGrunger1390d ago (Edited 1390d ago )

Look at the tail of the plane too. There are missing rivets. The waves have less detail and there are less of them as you move further out. People are only just picking up on this over at Gaf because all the talk has been about framerate. These are native resolution screengrabs from Gamersyde by the way.

edit: They said it was 1080p and I'm beginning to wonder if the question should have been: 'is it native 1080p?'

deecee331390d ago (Edited 1390d ago )

The PS4 is a more powerful machine, but in the end, the only question worth arguing over is whether the games are fun?

I wish MS would just take off it's PR mask and sell us on some really dope games without trying defend their hardware with spin tactics or glossing over the truth. It can be done.

BallsEye1390d ago

Well. I think sony pushes 60 fps no matter what. If you take a look ps4 version of tomb raider sometimes has lower res. Check the IGN comparison. Now if you disagree you need to be really blind. Look at Laras fingers, head, hair etc on this screenshot:

http://oi41.tinypic.com/tal...

Seems people on n4g only see what they wan't to see. Now who can disagree with this screenshot?

Hyper_Tension1401390d ago

That looks like depth of field to me, but keep trying....

Picnic1390d ago (Edited 1390d ago )

"Sometimes I think people tend to neglect the points that are in my favor and they like to highlight the points that tell me that I am wrong."

That's what any N4G commenter starts to think after a while. They're right of course. People, being separate egos on the internet that like to anonymously exert, are probably something like 10 times more likely to point out strong disagreement with something than to point out strong agreement with something. Which is why both 'Agree' and 'Disagree' should be replaced with a mandatory comments box where any comment can be deleted for being an insufficient reason if it gets enough 'I disagree with this agree/disagree reason' votes from other people.

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Sarcasm1391d ago

Hey Albert, 2 + 2 = 4

"I still think Ryse is still the best looking game on any platform. Period. End of story."

Wat.

Negative771391d ago

Are you seriously going to argue that???

GryestOfBluSkies1391d ago

i would argue that killzone looks better than ryse. just my opinion

Boody-Bandit1391d ago (Edited 1391d ago )

Gryest

I played both Ryse and KZ:SF and I agree with your opinion 100%. I wonder those that claim Ryse looks best actually played some of the games on the PS4. IMHO Infamous and Drive Club are going to raise the bar even higher.

Sarcasm1391d ago

I'm not sure if you're reading correctly. That's quoted from Albert himself, dodging the differences between the resolutions and frame rate discrepancies on multi-platform games.

frostypants1391d ago (Edited 1391d ago )

Ryse has great facial detail and animations and some ok kill sequences. That is all. The basic combat animations suck ass and the environments are nothing special.

It is overall kind of impressive looking, but it's up against launch titles. It's like winning the Special Olympics.

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dantesparda1391d ago

He can "think" all he wants, but it doesnt make it true. I could "think" that there is a pink elephant in a tutu twirling in my room right now, but it dont make it so

liquidhalos1391d ago

He cant be in your room, hes in mine right now :P

sinspirit1390d ago

He's there every time you look away.

MilkMan1391d ago

"Microsoft Exec Defends Xbox One's Frame Rate/ Resolution Problems"

- "LOOK! YOU cant expect everything from your cable box company. So stop your yammering and get to payi...I mean PLAYING...LOL! I meant playing. Excuse me."

GentlemenRUs1391d ago

Well, He has to don't he?

He is an Exec of M$ isn't he?

ThatOneGuyThere1391d ago

yes. and he needs a raise. he has a VERY difficult job for the next few years.

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