GB: "Kenny Linder talks about Nintendo selling a console that no one really wants."
Makes sense. People blaming the retailers for not promoting the Wii U are misguided. Its Nintendo's job to promote the Wii U. Is it really that difficult to expect companies to take responsibility for their own sales? The casual games still have their Wii so no need to upgrade if it does what they need it to do?
All the promotion in the world isn't going to change the price tag. The Wii had an incredible price that put it in the mass consumer range of impulse buying. Combine that with a console that showed well on TV and you just had lightning in a bottle. The problem with the WiiU is that it is harder to explain than the Wii. The Wii was a machine that you could just watch someone play and think how fun it was. The WiiU is a console that you have to get in your hands and spend some time playing it to fully appreciate what the console has to offer. On top of that the $350 debut price tag of the WiiU didn't do it any favors. The PS4 and Xbox One are in a similar situation, the difference is that these machines are considered cutting edge technology. So that puts a lot of hype behind them, hype is something the mass consumer understands. On top of that Nintendo didn't have enough key games ready to really push their console and they lost their amazing support from EA before the console even launched. All of that makes the WiiU a tough sale. Even so people would still love to own a WiiU for those traditional Nintendo games, but at $300 the WiiU still isn't an impulse buy and that is hurting them big time. Especially with the existence of a $400 PS4.
@cleft5 I agree. I got my WiiU on day one and have never regretted it but I can see why the masses will hold off because it is a big bulk of money to put down one something to be used every now and again, where the wii was a great price and was shown off for the family which is where it got most of its sales. Now the WiiU dose have a great line up of games in MarioU, Sonic Lost world, Lego City, Pikmin 3, Mario 3D world, Nintendo Land, Wii Party U, Wii Fitness U ect but no one knows about most of theses games as there is nothing showing off the consoles where every add break here in the uk any way we see a PS4 and Xbox one advert. I do think the WiiU is under rated yes it has not got the power of the one and ps4 but gaming is not all about power its about the games and Nintendo have a great history of games but they now need to push there advising side to permute the games and the console.
As much as I love Nintendo (my fav console of all time was the N64 after all) I cant help but I agree with this guy. To this day I am still amazed and baffled by the Wii's gigantic success... Ok I get it apparently unlocked the unladen casual market but as far as I can recall the ps2(with an even lower price than the wii), ps3 and the 360 had more than enough children/party games to cater to that casual market. Then you had the motion controls ok but 100 M units?? One thing I totally agree is that it wont happen again and not by the same company back to back, not even Sony with the PS2 couldn't do that! On the other hand I would really like to see Nintendo get its act together and do what they do best >>>games <<< then hardware!! Maybe then, just maybe I will buy another Nintendo console.
"but as far as I can recall the ps2(with an even lower price than the wii), ps3 and the 360 had more than enough children/party games to cater to that casual market. Then you had the motion controls ok but 100 M units??" @Ultra - I think you're underestimating the lack of buttons Wiimotes have in relation to standard gamepads. That was the sheer genius of the Wii, the simplicity of the UI, not motion control per se. People of all age groups could pick up a Wiimote and compete for fun in a variety of recreational sports. For the first time grandparents could engage their grandchildren on their "turf" and win. Give them too many buttons and you'll confuse a non-gamer. But turn the "remote" sidways, a D-pad to move, and a couple buttons to do stuff they can play with any core gamer. My wife uses it to this day in the winter with her Zumba. You'd never get her to pick up a PS or a Xbox gamepad; Kinect and Move doesn't interest her.
I love how armchair marketing experts are talking it up, but why don't they actually give us a detailed plan of what they would do? Personally, I think: * the Wii U had a horrible name that is easily confused. Either a rebranding, or at least a huge marketing campaign to explain the new console features, but more importantly the next few points * Wii U needs a lot more games from first and second party that takes advantage of the Wii U advantage, like the second screen or the Wii motes. Nintendo is king at crafting fun and intuitive games * Wii U needs a Nintendo Network that has similar capability as the king of online network for console i.e. Xbox Live. They can dumm it down a little for their younger crowd i.e. parent approval of friends and so on. Essentially make it kid friendly and parents will storm to it instead of going to the much more "scart" Xbox One. * Third party games will likely look visually better on other consoles than Wii U, but there needs to be more support. A large library is hugely important early in the game. Nintendo already squandered a lot of time. * Attack the Wii Fit market before MS does it. Create a lot more compelling Fitness minded products. * Lower the price. At $250 it is a lot more attractively priced for the family than a $400 -500 console that is somewhat kid unfriendly. * Aim for the younger market than Xbox One and PS4.
WiiU ram vs Ps4 ram laughable.
@CBaoth Agreed. That's the thing right there.. they did something with the Wii that anybody could immediately get their heads around and play something really easy and for the most part fun. With the Wii U they changed that.. not to mention that if you already bought a Wii why would you buy the U? Certainly, Its not that the casual demographic of the latter has any interest in more horsepower or for the more complicated controller of the Wii U. In the end its apparent that Nintendo lost the ball this time around. Makes me wonder..you have 100m customers with most of them having access to the internet, why didnt they sent them a survey and ask one simple question: What would you like or don't like to see on our next console? Then all you need to do is average those demands into something economically viable and give it to the people! Hell why wont anyone do that its beyond me. Yes I know they have to look at the competition first and all but does anyone here believe that Nintendo has ever done that? at least recently ? Hemmm NO.
Nintendo doesnt care they repackaged the gamecube and made a profit from day one they played the masses like a fiddle. Thats why microsoft should have followed nintendos example and ask amd to make them a 8 core version of the 360 proccesor and it would be way better than whats in the xbox one or ps 4. I dont care what the console fanboys say a 8 core cpu running at higher than 3.4 would kick the ass of these laptop cpu's in this generation and then we could really see some next gen games. With a cpu that slow the consooles will hold this generation of games back because cuts will have to be made for the slow as crap cpu speeds. AMD has proven more cores doesnt help games if its slow and weak cores which these consoles have.
Thank you! Sony and MS would have been better off doubling their CPU core count, switching to Out of Order, and increasing their ALU bit depth. I'm not in loved with next gen GPUs neither, just saw an $130-50 video card keep up with both systems at similar settings. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
How professional. Stay classy.
in your world blaming the competition for being there is classy?
Not quite sure you understand the meaning of 'former'.
Telling the truth can effect your class status? That's new. I hope they stayed "classy" back then when it was revealed that the world was round, 2+2=4, and that the Earth revolved around the sun.
Yes, the truth hurts ;)
100million fad? What a moron. No fad shifts that amount!
Last time I checked with my 8 year old daughter, Furby, Elmo and even Tamagotchi(although under different name now) are all still alive and well. So once again, 100 million is no fad. Perhaps its the number 100 which doesn't quite give it the gravitas it deserves. 100,000,000. Does that help?
Ok then. Beanie Babies. Jean jackets. Take your pick. The point is...many fads sell well into the hundreds of millions. The Wii had some great games, but Wii Sports sold the system to most people. The attach rate for the Wii is abysmal because of that.
It shifted it because its the only place to get Mario and Zelda dont think its any other reason. The tablet system is a fad and The wiiU should have been an addon for the wii rather than a new console.
But Mario and Zelda games didn't total anywhere near 100m sales on the console. So how does that work? The highest selling games were Wii Sports. In fact, those are the highest selling games in history.
100,000,000 sold. Less than 1% still being used (a generous estimate). The Wii is the very definition of the word fad.
Well...to be fair that shows in its sales. Wii-U has poor brand identity. Waiting for the next price drop so that I can buy one just in time for Bayo2.
I'm glad this is a former Sony employee, as it would be pretty unprofessional to make this type of comment.
But he is saying the exact same thing that Sony said about the Wii.
I guess that means Move is a fad too.
Not really.. You understand what a FAD is right? Motion controls are still doing okay otherwise the new Xbox is gonna be in big trouble..
How many games use Kinect for motion control? Not many and the ones that do (Fighter Within) are complete crap.
In other words: "It's only a fad if it's the Wii"
Even though I enjoyed move I wouldn't consider it an extremely successful product. Can't wait to play BioShock with it though. I wonder if I should get the NAV controller or just use my DS3.
It seems I've seen some nav controllers on ebay for pretty cheap so if you want to pick one up they're worth looking at. I played Infinite with the move and it was OK, turning with the controller is awkward though and swinging the Move to melee is a recipe for motion sickness inducing camera craziness while completely missing your target.
Good thing they didn't bet the farm on the Move, huh?
Sux for the consumers who bought in though huh? Sony forgetting about them with little to no support and tacked on Move controls for already established games.
I'm not sure Move was ever successful enough to be considred a fad. It was clearly better motion tech than the Wii offered but it never really took off. At least Sony is apparently willing to learn from their mistakes rather than clinging to failure as if the whole world, and not their idiot CEOs, are out of touch. Sony hasn't been talking about or pushing Move this generation whatsoever. That's called progress. Nintendo could learn a few things from Sony.
someone's jealous i know it hurts when u fail to make games as good, as polished and as long standing as nintendo games
Tell that to Naughty Dog.
Okay I think it would do them some good to hear the truth for once.
Well you definitely got that right about polish because their games are incredibly well done and you can see the talent. But in terms of their longevity and standing out as games we will be playing even 20-30 years from now I don't see that happening. Luckily they will continue to at least make great games for years to come.
lol, i've been playing since famicom, don't teach me who's talented and who's not, ND is one of the best studios in the world today, i meant other devs that tried to copy nintendo and failed, like Ps all star, LBP carting, move, etc...
Good and polished are true, but long-standing? No, not yet.
What hurts is when a company that makes "games as good, as polished and as long standing as Nintendo games" refuses to offer those games on competent hardware. THAT is what hurts! Wouldn't it be amazing if there were no need for the argument "graphics don't matter" to stand up for a Nintendo console? Yeah, I remember those days, it was the SNES and all that amazing gameplay was available in combination with glorious cutting edge graphics. But I guess those games weren't as fun, somehow, because they had great graphics compared to the competition of the day.
The time frame they released the console was on the edge of next gen, so they should have had the well known IP's ready to go , and we are still waiting for a Mario Kart for example to be released. I go on to the Nintendo store over Xmas to catch a deal, and it was poor. The console is not bad, its just that it needs better pricing on the hardware/software and more of it. Nindendo have been in the console market longer than the others , they should know better by now.
If the wii was a fad, then it was a very successful fad.
So was the ps move and look what happened. The wii may have been a fad if it failed but it was a sucesse.
You don't go from selling 22 million to 100 million because of a fad.
Thats exactly how you do it...seeing as that 100 million is more than Nitnedo's last 2-3 home consoles combined?
A big problem is calling it the Wii U. I have seen dozens of people looking for the gamepad thinking it is an accessory for the Wii. It should have been called Wii 2 just for the main stream people.
Is somebody jealous?
Sony be jelly (as well as its fanboys). "Best selling console of it's generation? Must be a fad!" I guess when Sony creates a handheld that finally sells better than a Nintendo handheld, we'll have to call that just a 'fad'
The thing is different with WII u for a number of reasos - one being, that they lost this battle with the release of the WII back in the day. And this guy is absolutely right - the WII was a FAD. Sure, it offered the motion controls, and back then people did want that. That was the big selling point with the Wii, wigle this, wiggle that, use the controller as a baseball bat. WHo wouldn´t want to try that? Yes, people did jump on that bandwagon. I hated the motion controls. They annoyed me, they were very poorly developed and executed, they took away a GREAT, GREAT deal of the fun, they ruined the experience for me. I was very wary of Nintendos next console. I hate minigames, and this was what the WII ultimately was, a console for minigames, gimmicks, and i cringed everytime I would spot a comercial shwing a creepily laughing family infront of their couch using the wiiremote. They turned gamers away. They dumped down their franchises - one look at Skywardsword and I knew, I just knew this was heading a way I never imagined Nintendo would take. The games were boring, lacked character, looked dated, and the constant gimmicky motioncontrols infuriated me so much I just stopped caring six months in. To this day, the WII is the only console I would not care selling. Just doesn´t do it for me. Now deny it all you want, I know I am not alone in this. The numbers are clearly showing it. To be honest, I actually believe that even if the WIIU had the good start people are still waiting to see, it would not have done very well. They lost the trust of the actual gamers, who were promisd, for years, games a certain caliber, and were given, in return, minigame after minigame, fad after fad, gimmick after gimmick. And now that people had their share of motion controls, they grew tired of it, they simply did not care, so why bother to buy into the next console? The mothers and girls, and little children, and family oriented people simply lost interest. I knew that every next console after the WII would be hard to sell, for those exact reasons, and instead of actually doing the work and catch up to the new standards NINTENDO did nothing but remeain ont heir ignorant path---> Graphics don´t matter, minigames, fad after fad, same old.... YOu start out with a gimmick, don´t expect people to remember you for anything beyond that. Because when it comes down to it, I don´t have a single memorable thing to say about the WII. NOt a single game stuck out the way it did with their prviuous consoles, and the way it did after I bought the xbox 360 after. None. Serves them right.
While I can understand your frustration with the motion control shovelware that got pushed on Wii, if you really found nothing on that console to enjoy, you simply were not trying hard enough. There was much more on that system than you think. There were many Wii exclusives that did more than just work with motion controls and even some great ones that did, like Red Steel 2. Super Mario Galaxy 2 was better than many, MANY other games released in its release year (other consoles included), and it used motion controls (rather evasively, but they were a part of the game's design). de Blob, Little King's Story and Madworld were great and none of them were made by Nintendo. Trust me, if you put some effort into exploring the library of games beyond the shovelware, you'll find something to love on Wii. If you didn't like those games because of their design, I can understand that, but when you say that there was absolutely nothing worthwhile on Wii, I can guarantee that you quit before the gold was struck.
Nice opinion bro. Completely different story for other people.
This guy has a nasty habit of hating on Nintendo. He's done this many times before. It's one thing to say "Nintendo needs work." It's another to just say that they're useless and should die off, which he's said many times in the past. Also, I have a lot of trouble listening to him call Nintendo out on the "gimmick" hardware, when this guy worked with BigBig Studios, the company that made Little Deviants.
Speak for yourself. I loved the Wii's many gems, and I'm really enjoying my Wii U to boot. It's a shame it's not doing better!
Yes, and just as this video says, not 100 launch games from the ps4 or x box one can match one first party title from nintendo like pikmin 3, super mario world 3d , zelda, mario kart, donkey kong, and more. I agree are we jealous sony, that sony can not make 1st party games good as nintendo? yeah the proof is in the pudding. and Mario 3d world o0fr wii u, plays in 1080p at 60 frames per second, with no jagged edges, no draw in, no blurry textures, and NOT ONE PS4 OR X BOX ONE GAME CAN CLAIM THAT!! SO MUCH FOR WII U NOT BEING NEXT GEN!!
when the console was called project cafe i said nintendo could name this console Nintendo NES+ nintendo entertainment system plus because it only used 2 main controllers gamepad pluse some additinal controllers from the wii + some other shit. yeah NES+ would have sold 4 million units in 2 hours lol.
This has become a really good thread with some really good points made . Blueberry makes some valid points and I agree with the headline ! Firstly I really like Nintendo but I also love the gaming and therefore appreciate the other consoles. Secondly Nintendo have really messed up with the marketing of the Wii U , there is no argument where are all he adverts??? It seems a crazy argument " THE WII WAS A FAD" but I agree ask how many of the 100 million customers really used the console 12 months after purchase!! Personally I was never a big fan of the Wii however it was different and Nintendo should be admired for that. The WII U on the other hand is a great machine but you cannot sell a machine simply relying on your past glory. Hopefully the WII U will do the opposite of the Wii and will become more interesting in time( as aproposed the FADing out)! and therefore prove the Wii FAD theory correct!! But this will only happen with advertising your great product and feeding it with great software but this needs to be advertised also , however good it is example Mario 3d world advertising ?????? Here's hoping , good luck Nintendo .
This just in: My dog has stated the Wii U is doing poorly because it has bad marketing, a hefty pricetag for the specs, and an overall lackluster game library. When is the N4G article going to get posted?
I miss the Will because I love motion controlled games. It was something new, different and fun. I wish they would just improved on the wiimote and nunchuck for the wii u instead of the gamepad. I stop playing a lot of games because of no motion controlled support. I only play CoD and Pikmin on my WiiU for now.
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