GR: "Watch Dogs was supposed to launch late last year, but Ubisoft opted to delay it at the last minute, a move Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter believes saved a game that was "headed for disaster.""
It sucked when it got delayed, but I believe they are shooting for greatness with this title.
Article: "I admire them. Their stock got hammered. The management got criticized. And that franchise matters; it sounds really good. And if it doesn’t work, it’s a big waste of time and waste of money. So I’m hopeful that that six month delay makes that game great. But I think that was headed for disaster." Here's what I think is f*cked up. Ubisoft stock would drop because they care about the quality of their game when they release it on the market. EA games are always rushed incomplete broken and or buggy games that people still buy regardless how much EA the publisher messed up the game. Battlefield 4, Sim City, Ending to Mass Effect 3, Ryse Son of Rome is only 4 hours long, No single player story in Titanfall. You see a pattern here?
@UltimateMaster EA has a different model than ubi. For them sales and quality are only a small part. You have to consider the companies and ips they have acquired.
@ UltimateMaster We all respect Ubi for doing the right thing, but 6 month more of development expense was what makes the stock drop. EA would/will and does face the same loss when they delay a game. The market is the same for all. I'm sure every developer/publisher weighs the cost of more dev time, and patching. They end up doing what's best financially in most cases. Gone are the days of closed systems, and this has become a norm.
@UltimateMaster Ryse is 6 hours first off, and made by Crytec not EA. Also Titanfall does not need single player. Who cares about the terrible single player of every multiplayer centric game? With COD I think only 5% ever finished it was the last statistic. Why waist time, money, and attention for something very little people care about.
EA has dead lines for games. Ready or not, it's getting released anyway. I won't be paying 60% for BF5 because when I buy a game, I want it to work day one. If it doesn't work well day one, then I would have bought it much later on until price has dropped and bugs are fixed and I'm still wondering how many month it will be until the BF4 servers are fixed. EA has some of the best talent in the industry, but EA's pressure to release games and ways to implement new ways to rip you off *Cough* Micro-transactions *Cough* like in Ryse, you get 1 sword, 1 shield, 1 armor set, no option you either have to grind a lot or buy equipment. 3$~4$ for skin on your character, that's just a color change. Or again the season pass for BF4 that again paid for and broken now, total 110$ wasted. Or the Need for Speed DLCs. Mobile platform rip-offs they are now focused on those Free-2-Play games.
I don't know if the game is heading towards disaster or not but one thing for sure, it was poised to compete head to head sales-wise against AC4 which is not something Ubisoft wanna do. sure they should've seen that earlier but I was kinda expected either one of the 2 will get delayed and unfortunately WD was it.
Shareholders are what drive corporations and their greed. They could care less if a game works as long as it is released on time and sells well. Quality does not factor in their equasion.
@badz149 You seem to get it. I think one of, if not the most important reason Watch dogs got delayed was to avoid internal competition (AC4 and Watchdogs) on the same time frame. Plus the dev got another 6 months to polish the game even further. As for potential game breaking issues unless the devs come out and say what was exactly so broken that they had to delay the game for 6 months I wont believe anything Pachter or any Pachter has to say for that matter.
Ultimatemaster, isnt ryse eon of rome crytek? Does ea sponser it or something?
I can't wait to play this, I'm genuinely glad they delayed it to iron out the bugs, we deserve a big game without hassle. Day 1 for me
Apparently someone disagrees that us gamers deserve a big bug free game. Okie dokie then
Relax pal, people here disagree at everything for any given reason... So, don't let it bother u. I am also glad they delayed the game. Quality is always beter than quantity :)
Yup, you may not see anything wrong with this post but look closer. Some GTA fanboy is fuming that you would even consider buying watchdogs. There is no mercy on N4G as there is always an extremist who disagrees. Best not to care about votes one way or the other.
I'd rather have an amazing game a few months later than a decent one a few months earlier.
I am excited for this game, originally my PS4 preorder was for the Watch Dogs bundle. I might hold off on a day one purchase, as there is quite a few other noteworthy games releasing around the same time, and for all I know the game will be a bust. I'll keep an eye on what gamers have to say about it, and I will take all the mainstream media reviews of it with a grain of salt. While not likely, would be nice to see a demo come out for it. Hate the fact that game demos are becoming a thing of the past, I have found many great games that I would never have considered by trying the demos. And since the demos are becoming extinct, I have gotten reamed many times buying games blindly.
Can't wait to see all the new additions and features added to the game because of the delay. Though, it might have angered gamers, I feel like it's for the best if they say they weren't ready yet. It benefits us that will be getting this game since it means that it's going to be more amazing than what we already seen.
You're right bout that. I'd rather buy a game that have no bugs in it. And the hell what Patcher thinks. This is a next gen game here. Someone or everyone needs to stop asking him what he thinks because he's a failure at being a anaylyst
It should have come to next gen an pc only.
As long as the console can handle it why not? If you want my opinion I believe that the delay was caused by development difficulties on one console. You probably know which system I'm talking about.
Back in September: Jonathan Morin, creative director from Watch Dogs, has spoken about the differences between the different versions of Watch Dogs: "720p on PS360, 1080 on PS4, TBD on Xbox One." Also "Both hit 30fps easy. I think Xbox One suffers a few dips from 60fps. PS4 is pretty smooth. Definitive version." [the latter part of that quote was retweeted by Shuhei Yoshida.] http://abload.de/img/ayqlpc... So PS4 is smooth at 60FPS @1080P. Xbox One is smooth at 30 with resolution TBD. I'm thinking it has to be at least 900P if 360 and PS3 are 720P.
Because everything will have been toned down, and because the 360 doesn't do blu-ray more content could have been on there not just less compressed textures etc. A proper next gen engine could be built and things wouldn't have to be scaled back, also the size of the team on 2 consoles and pc vs 5 and PC would have helped as well.
Then they would have sold less.
No way that would ever happen. Ubisoft would be throwing millions upon millions away by shutting out the 360 and PS3 audience. Believe it or not but not everyone has upgraded to next gen. 160 million last gen consoles vs 7.5-8 million next gen. Simple numbers. Do the math.
The delay was the most exciting thing about this game. Just the unpredictability along with he mystery of why they delayed it. I wouldn't say disaster i'd say a solid 8 score, which didn't seem to be enough. As it shouldn't!
Yeah I would say it was headed for mediocrity more than disaster. The reveal was amazing but the more they showed the less interesting it got. Delays suck and all that, but if it makes the game better in any way I'm all for it.
Yeah exactly s'all good :)
Sometimes you gotta bite the bullet...no point releasing a game as hyped as Watchdogs to disappointment. Same for Driveclub :)
I wouldn't necessarily call Drive Club a "hyped game."
I love Xbox one but drive club I would say was a launch title that was hyped.
Well it was stil hyped . Even unwillingly , some fans and the press were already trying to shoe it in , as a replacement to GT , for a "war against forza" . Even when very little were released , and the only possible comparisons were graphics and the framerate
drive club was never hyped preorders tell that ,it was a new ip and was discriminated buy critics very much at e3 ,they needed time but delay was which hyped this game ,now gamers think this will make game better i also thinks the same ,this will polish it and may be we can get a great racer .graphcs now look far better than before but rumors says that it is not running now at 1080p ,i think they sacrificed with resolution to add more effects and colors which is a good thing but it is also confirmed to be running at 30fps ,i hope it will look great .but i will still wait for reviews before getting it.
Why do I always feel like I could be a "game analyst" after I hear this guy talk?
Just so long as you never go full Pachter...
LOSTKEY, You do know he is NOT a game analyst right? Maybe you don't because you're not that bright. Did you not READ that he works for Wedbush Securities? Do you know what that company is? He's a numbers guy....NOT AN ANALYST
Pachter is a financial analyst, so the way he looks at games business is different from how average people look at games.
Reason: Because you assume hes a game analyst.
Pachter is merely repeating what everyone on the web has been saying for the past year. It's good to know he reads the message boards.
Michael Patcher is so damn annoying.
Not as annoying as people who spell his name "Patcher". Like fingernails across a chalkboard....
Well, his successful prediction record is "patchy" at best, soooooo....
Less annoying than people who tYpE LiKe tHiS
I don't "type like this"...it's just how I did my name, because Anewguy and ANewGuy looked weird as well. If you have a problem with my name, take it up with the mods.
I've been reading his name wrong for so many years now :S
Relax NewGuy it's not a big deal I was just having alittle fun bustin your balls
To be 100 percent fair to Mikey94 He's right Pachter needs patching.
Does he say why? Watch Dogs was going to be a launch day purchase for me so the delay was very disappointing.. I've now no idea when it's coming out. This year?
For some reason, I really think it had to do with all that GTAV was able to achieve and on the THEN current gen consoles and when they compared the two, they just weren't up to snuff. Maybe it was something totally different, but that was my thought. GTAV achieved some great things being so big, open, full of things to do and look absolutely amazing at the same time. Not to mention relatively glitchless comparatively speaking considering its size, cough, Bethesda.. take note. And this is coming from a person who never really cared for GTA series after the little top-down 2D version. My favorite parts of GTAV were the cars/customizations, the ocean and Submarine, tennis oddly enough even though I don't really care for tennis games or tennis... was just so simple yet satisfying.
I concur. IMO, GTA V is a technical marvel when you look at all hardware restrictions previous generations has.
You make some good points about GTAV (GOTY 2013), but the delay probably has more to do with the release of ACIV. It doesn't make any sense to release two games in the same genre, at the same time, from the same company. Many gamers would have likely purchased one game in lieu of the other. Sony did the same thing in the fall of 2008 with Resistance 2 and Killzone 2. Killzone 2 was ready for release that holiday season, but Sony elected to release Resistance 2 during the holiday season and Killzone 2 in February 2009. Tru_
I hate Pachter. Only calls it a disaster because it got delayed. They obviously wouldn't have delayed it if it played well. Doubtful it would have been a disaster. Just not very good.
Just not very good is a disaster in the gaming industry. These games have to SELL to recoup the investment they made to develop the game.
Why? If it would have launched buggy it would have only been a problem.for the press and not gamers.
I think they wanted more of a user base in next gen consoles before releasing but I may be completely wrong.
I don't think that would be the reason. 99% of the people who get a next gen console in the first 6-12 months will be people who have a previous console anyway. Combined sales won't really change. Too buggy is the most likely reason, plus it would have cut into AC4 sales.
I'm glad they delayed it. I don't see how there would have been any benefit launching it with next get consoles. The biggest issue I saw is that Assassin's Creed 4 and watchdogs would have been cannibalizing each other's sales. The next issue would be what comes with rushing anything to market, especially new IPs. Nothing to stop a new franchise in its tracks like a buggy launch.
Hey guys. This game that was supposed to come out months ago, but still isn't out after getting delayed, would have been a disaster if it had been released months ago. Pay me.
As a ps4 owner I'm kinda glad it was delayed. A lot of the next gen gamed seem a bit rushed, not all, but I'm definitely a proponent for "release when ready" instead of hit that magic holiday season mentality.
My buddy who is working on the mission scripting for this game was telling me a while back that this game is going to blow people away. His stance on this matter hasn't wavered even a little since the delay. He did say that they were working on new features and mechanics that would actually be a huge improvement and the gaming community as a whole would love. So I'm not worried in the least bit.
I don't know a delay like this makes me kind of suspicious now. 6 weeks is one thing, but 6 months?
Suspicious of what in particular?
What was the magic revelation that caused a game that was literally on the verge of release to be pushed back for 6+ months??? Same for Drive Club. Both of these games were so close to being released. They must have figured a different, more efficient way to do something that required a huge amount of reworking for part of the development process.
The clusterf-ck known as Battlefield 4 has problem convinced publishers to release games when they're ready. Release dates should be general guidelines, not 100% strict. Bioshock Infinite comes to mind with its 6 month delay, followed by an extra month (which I believe the game's new producer suggested).
I thought it looked great before!
Lookin great and playing great are two different things, Battlefield 4 says hello