Summarising information you already know, Lazygamer details why the Xbox one's graphical deficit exists.
I cant believe we gamers are still going back and forth on this topic, we have seen and heard the facts what else do some gamers need.
From the article: "There’s really no way of getting around it; there’s no magical secret sauce lurking in the Xbox One, the cloud isn’t going to make the Xbox One faster. The PS4 is the more powerful system, and that power is going to be more evident as tis generation goes on. " Seems that everyone knows this (and has known this for months), apart from the Xbox fans in extreme denial. The quicker people accept that, the quicker they can stop being bitter and enjoy their system.
@Lukas The only people continually harping about the power differential are Sony fans. Most people who have an Xbox One seem to be content playing it and enjoying it rather than worrying about Playstation. Wish the same could be said vice versa.
I have known this, believe this sauce stuff is now used by extreme fanboys on both sides. I having a blast with X1, and PS4 regardless... what other people tell me about the insides of machines means nothing to me. The bitterness is from those who I think see consoles as the most important aspect of life, which I assume then as people who have no real value in life. With each generation I have played the best, because brand name means nothing, just the game. Please tell me which is more important? And please do not come back with MS screws you or something, as I know what I want from my consoles, and play accordingly.... Edit: Beavis, let people make there own decisions. If you take advice from here, really, how many will be impartial?
Taken from the article, Georgeenoob and the like please finally accept the PS4 is the more powerful system despite being cheaper to buy Xbox One: 1.18 Teraflop GPU with 12 active Compute Units (2 disabled) 768 Shaders 48 Texture mapping units 16 Render output units 2 Asynchronous Compute Engines with 16 queues PlayStation 4: 1.84 Teraflop GPU with 18 active Compute Units (2 disabled) // 56% higher than Xbox One 1152 Shaders // 50% more 72 Texture mapping units // 50% more 32 Render output units // 100% more 8 Asynchronous Compute Engines with 64 queues // 400% more
@creatchee - You're saying no XB fans on here still talk about the cloud increasing XB1's power beyond PS4's? I guess you just haven't seen them, but they're still around.
@creatchee "The only people continually harping about the power differential are Sony fans" *cough* MisterX's blog *cough* Trust me, there are still people who think the X1 has some some of hidden power advantage over the PS4, articles like this help set them straight. MisterX and his "insider" even told their followers (sheep) that the X1 has a dual GPU with more TFLOPS than a GTX Titan. Some people are in deep, deep denial.
@AmigaMan Here you are again with your percentages. Do you even know what those numbers mean? ROPS for instance don't make things faster by just adding more. They are just rasterisers. The reason Sony has double the amount is because they couldn't have "20" or even "24". ROPS are mostly added in pairs of 16 in AMD hardware. Since the PS4 would have too few ROPS at 16 they added 32. Plain and simple. It doesn't make it twice as fast though, it just makes sure it doesn't choke up. The Xbox One van do with fewer ROPS so 16 was enough, adding 32 would have been a huge waste in that case. This also goes for your other values, especially that 400% one. You as an Amiga fan should know that better than anybody. Please do all Amiga fans a favour and read up on Processor and GPU design and what it all means. That there always are reasons for why something is higher or lower and that there are down and upsides to a design decision. THis can't just be put in percentages like you do here.
@amiga 250$ Gtx 760: 2.3 teraflops Poops all over both consoles for a fraction of the cost. Why are you guys wanking on and on about console specs? If that's what you care about so much you might as well build yourself a rig. Consoles are about the software.
@creatchee The steamiest bull****... ----- Also, will we ever move on from this topic? I can understand that these articles may be targeted at those who are not up-to-date on gaming news and specifics, but it's been like 2 months. Any information that they could possibly be looking for regarding the consoles' specs is so well-published by now that more articles just seems redundant.
@Dehnus @AmigaMan .Here you are again with your percentages. What are you on about I have never posted anything about percentages so your already wrong, secondly the information was taken from the article and as the headline points out the xbox can't keep up, but by all means argue the how the xbox is more powerful, it simply isn't. @OH_Yeah @amiga 250$ Gtx 760: 2.3 teraflops Poops all over both consoles for a fraction of the cost. Why are you guys wanking on and on about console specs? If that's what you care about so much you might as well build yourself a rig. Consoles are about the software. I wouldn't argue with you I used to do all my gaming on a pc in fact my favourite sort of game is best played on pc, but I got tired of the software conflicts, the constant upgrading and generally messing about I had to do which is why I went to console, nothing to do with software the ease of use was the key for me, but if i'm using a console I may as well choose the most powerful one don't you think, the fact it is also cheaper doesn't hurt either.
@Lukas MisterX.... Really? He was exposed years ago as a hack who fabricates "insider" information and forum posts. No sensible person takes him seriously. My point was that Sony fans are the ones who constantly bring up the power differential. I've yet to see people who bought an X1 complaining about their experience being ruined in COD because it renders in 720p or BF4 @ 900p. But I've seen no shortage of Sony fans ballyhooing those differences like they are night and day.
"My point was that Sony fans are the ones who constantly bring up the power differential. I've yet to see people who bought an X1 complaining about their experience being ruined in COD because it renders in 720p or BF4 @ 900p." You're right I agree, but this is what Sony fans were saying for YEARS with multiplats on the 360, where the differences were far more minor, yeah there were a few major hiccups like Bayonetta, The Orange Box, Skyrim (post patches these games actually run fine for the most part) but for the most part the differences were as minor as sharper lighting, few framerate dips, better looking grass, they were championed night and day by 360 fan's as a way of contradicting the PS3's claim as the most powerful system. " But I've seen no shortage of Sony fans ballyhooing those differences like they are night and day." Of course they are, because Microsoft fan's spent a good 7 years doing the exact same thing with the "superior" 360 multiplat's, I'm not condoning anything, I actually agree with you that it's nonsense all together. But don't try and turn 360 fans into a victim, by asserting this behaviour as unique to Sony fan's because you and everyone here damn well knows If they were the position they would do the same, and they did..just like last gen. This is what I find funny about this new gen, lol how the tables have turned any of the so called "hate" that's been directed to the XB1 and to a lesser extent Wii-U, was said about Sony and the PS3 during the better half of last gen, the only difference in 2013/14 Sony and the PS4 aren't the butt of jokes this time.
@creatchee: More like people who own the Xbox are becoming hikikomoris because all of their friends are on the PS4.
@creatchee Differences in multiplatform games were all the rage last gen...
No matter how the facts and truth is reported by honest journalists. M$ will find a way to distort and twist the truth in their favor. The problem is that M$ has a steady budget flow for their PR department to bark over the internet everyday that "the PS4 is slightly better than Xbone", or"graphics don't matter between Ps4 & Xbone"," Xbone games still look great despite PS4 game looks and plays better", all these subliminal stuff to sway people's perception of the truth hoping they can twist the information wars in their favor. M$ has the money to keep this PR stunt for the next years to come. "Shipped, or Stuffed they say is Sold" M$ likes to make everything shady and grey not black and white. M$ can not win a fight in a decent manner they will always fight dirty. That is why we true gamers need to stay vigilant. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Another option is to be a GAMER, not a fan-boy/fan-girl/broke/crybaby /etc individual. I have PS4,X1 and Wii U, I will get the Alienware Steam machine when available. It feels great to be a gamer.
Some people are still not convinced on the differences between these two consoles. We need articles like these to educate them on the matter. And its especially useful for people looking to buy either of the two systems.
We don't need more articles like this. They take up space and crowd a page that could be used for real information. Last generation went on for 8 years(and continues) and none of the original articles were ever solved. They would still be going if it wasn't for new consoles. Personally to me it's obvious that the PS4 will have more graphical power. But with the 8GBs of embedded memory on the One I believe it will have abilities with physics and AI that PS4 won't be able to do. IMO graphics at this point aren't the key to better games. It will be gameplay. And gameplay options will be more plentiful on Xbox One to me. That memory can be used to pre-load and store physics events like building collapses realistically. But ultimately it doesn't matter. Both systems will have their advantages.
Where's this "50%" more power of the PS4 on display? : Can we see this in Killzone:SF?, as KZ:SF has no campaign co-op?, as it doesn't have a bunch of enemies on screen at once with great AI, where's this "50%" power on display? What's Killzone:SF doing that can't be done, or what's it doing that's so special? Same goes for the below basic platformer Knack. What's Knack doing that shows "50%" more power? I'd like to know, because I don't see it. Meanwhile, XBOX ONE is showing power with Forza 5 running 1080p native @ 60fps online and offline! Dead Rising 3 is showing hundreds of zombies on screen at once, all with different faces. One reviewer said "the game said I killed 2,971 Zombies, so I killed 2,971 different enemies". Dead Rising 3 can also be played in 4 player campaign co-op. And Ryse just looks Fantastic, and also playable in co-op. And, these are launch games! Just as "Lukas_Japonicus" used the power of an automobile analogy, same is applicable with the XBOX ONE Architecture: it's the components & processors around it's main components that account for it's display of seen power in its launch games. XBOX ONE is only going to get better, Titanfall & Halo 5 will further demonstrate its power, this year 2014.
Looks like somebody hasn't played KZ:SF...
@Ju There are many critics who agree that Ryse is the best looking game to date, even compared to KZ. If KZ was so goddamn gorgeous, wouldn't it be unanimous? KZ may look good, but nothing about it shouts "50% more powerful."
Microsoft don't make good games, they would rather pay off game critics to over egg them
finally - a technical article that breaks down the differences between the consoles and is still understandable to a layman. thanks!
"In pure, raw numbers, the PS4 has more than 50% of the GPU muscle than the Xbox One. That doesn’t translate in to 50% better performance in the real world" I feel that's one sentence people need to see, so many X1 fans scream "why don't the games look 50% better then!", but they don't understand that 50% more power doesn't equate to 50% better looking games. For example, if a car has 1000 break horsepower and maxes out at 230mph, adding another 1000 bhp isn't going to make it go 460mph, there are going to be diminishing returns. The guy in the article knows what he's talking about, he provides an unbiased analysis of both consoles specs. Anyone not sure on the differences between the 2 should check it out.
but the performance dose get beyond 50% 1080p has double the pixels on 720p 60fps is double 30fps.
Lol.. I'm so happy you used that reference.. Horsepower alone doesn't win races.. You could have 100 more HP and still get spanked by a lighter car.. Or a bunch of other factors.. If it doesn't equal 50% better.. Then why the hell do you guys keep saying it does?
@ n4rc "If it doesn't equal 50% better.. Then why the hell do you guys keep saying it does?" Ive never said that.....Ive always told people about diminishing returns. But you can't deny the PS4's obvious power advantage. It's already apparent, just look at those specs +56%, +50%, +100%, +400%. And i suppose NewMonday does have a point.......
@Lukas_Japonicus, You continue to use specs. Could you explain where we can see some of the PS4 power through the exclusive next-gen games that are made for it today? And I'm not talking about the FMV cuteness that we don't play.
@otherZinc I'd be happy too....but it's shame you need others to tell you and can't do the research yourself. Lets take Ryse, X1's best looking game, it a corridor hack and slash game, runs at 1600x900p and dips into the teens, but in its favour it has some truly great character models/animations. PS4's best looking game, Killzone SF, it runs at native 1920x1080p and sits between 30-60fps in the singleplayer despite having MUCH larger environments than Ryse. It also has a host of effects such as real time reflections/ray trace lighting, particle effects, high res textures, dynamic lighting, DOF.... Look at this way, the PS4 could easily play Ryse @ 900p with dips into the teens, but the X1 could not run Killzone SF at native 1080p and 30-60fps. Then look at all the multiplats that are ALREADY showing signs of the power difference. It's there, it's blatant. "And I'm not talking about the FMV cuteness that we don't play." What, like Ryse? Watch the cutscnes then turn the camera around in-game and see if the characters faces still look as good, they don't. They still easily beat Killzone's character models though.
The thing is...the XBo isn't the lighter "car", in fact the PS4 is - leaner API, leaner OS, smaller console, less overhead and yet more powerful.
people still complain about this Xbox One Ps4 stuff, buy what you like most ffs.
Ridiculous comment, how do you know what you are going to like most without these articles. Not to mention both companies are happy to tell you the consoles are equal and yet it is being proven someone is lying. Imagine gaming stores were honest.. you can get AC4 in High def on the PS4 or good def on the Xbox One
Do I need a technical breakdown and analysis to tell me I'm only getting Killer Instinct, Dead Rising 3, Ryse, Halo, and Titanfall on Xbox One? I think that's a fairly easy way to tell which one I'm gonna like most.
Exactly. Technical specs only explain so much. All my gaming friends have X1. I prefer the xbox controller over the DS. I prefer XBL over PSN. All the spec sheets in the world aren't going to help at all with those points. "PS4 has higher resolution and framerates for more games." "Well, my friends all have Xbox One, so will the PS4 allow me to play games with them?" "No, but..." "Thanks for your time." From a technical standpoint, I see it like this: The PC is king. Any person really concerned about playing games and having them look and play their best, will opt for PC. Even multiplats that boast 1080p/60fps on console, are still going to look better on PC, due to overall better textures and advanced graphics options. In this regard, anyone who opts for console, is essentially settling for "good enough," which is why I never base my console purchase off tech specs - I base it off the strengths console have - the social aspect, the ease of use, the games, etc. Superior graphics and performance are not strengths of consoles. If anything, they are challenges to overcome. 1080p/60fps is not a standard, not even on next-gen, so when I see people cite spec sheets and comparisons of X1 and PS4, inside my head I'm going, "aww, that's cute...they're battling for second place..."
Like MasterCornholio said, some people might find articles like this helpful if they only have enough money for one system. And lol at you calling us nerds when you have an account N4G yourself.......
Thanks Lucas Like I said before some people need tech articles to help them choose which systems to buy. I know exclusives are extremely important but most of the games that I play are multiplats so I decided to go with the PS4 also the price different helped me make my decision as well.
some people say we don't need more articles like this, but until every xbot reads an article like this one, they still need to be posted imo. it may essentially be a repost, but when people obviously ignore the facts, and say things like "its too early to know which one is more powerful!", it shows there are lots of fanboys out there who never even click an article, and just go straight to the boards to defend their purchase...
I don't see the problem the PS3 was more powerful last generation. Nothing has changed for this generation. PS4 is more powerful I have no problem with that. I'm buying both system eventually. Are you buying both systems are you going to be bias.
The only thing that has changed is that Sony has made the ps4 more user friendly for devs this go around. Hence why we see the ps4 muscle in multiplats and why we only saw this on ps3 exclusives last gen
?? Wrong, the 360 had a better gpu and memory, ps3 ahd cell if devs learned to use it, they were very close. This time the gap is way bigger and ps4 has every advanatge, including price.
i might pick up a xbone, IF their exclusive lineup warrants it, and they make a kinect-less sku... since i'd only play the exclusives on it, they'd need over 10 to justify a purchase imo... same goes for the wii-u, which is why i'm planning on getting a wii-u maybe in 2015.
DoubleM70 "Are you buying both systems are you going to be bias." Bias is prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair or cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something. You can own every console or gaming device ever made. That does not mean you are without bias. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Xbone def won't be able to keep up. As time passes the power gap from Ps4 will even only increase and multiplat games will look way better than it already is now on Ps4
no they won't becasue it will be like LAST gen... MS will pay Devs to let games on the ONE look better :) /s I mean, these were ALWAYS the words from PS3 fanboys whenever a game looked better on the 360...
No the difference is that the PS3 was always more powerful but incredibily difficult to code for.. The Xbox One is incredibly easy to code for and not as powerful.. don't expect as much of a jump as we saw from the PS3
sorry dude but i don't like the PS4 and it's games ... so what now?
buy either console - either way it will be a cool piece of tech. just expect for the games to look worse than PS4 equivalents as the generation goes on. I'm planning on getting both consoles - worth it for that controller!
of course you don't ... you love video games but sony doesn't make one single game that interests you.... LOL
Sorry Chrissx I disagree with you. Both these machines will do fine in this new generation. PS4 is not about to blow the doors off the XB1. Xbox has as many fans as the Playstation.
well since its so much more powerful then why does an ex sony fanboy like me who bought kz sf day one not impressed with just a pretty coat of paint? I rather have fun games to play than pretty games that aren't worth a damn. oh and btw, i own both systems, played 2k on both systems, yes it looks better on the ps4, but really the difference is irrelevant, however, i do like the way when you dribble the ball on the xbone version you can tell which hand your dribbling with cause the trigger buttons respond in correlation to which hand the b ball is used with, oh and i dont get the sound issues i had with the ps4 version, so ya, whatever,
Let me get this straight, you bought the same sports game in both console??? Yea I believe that, if you wont troll the ps4 at least don't lie.
hahaha, your a moron, i rented the game, shows how smart, or excuse me, how much of an idiot you can be. However, i bought the superior xbone version. Now before you try to discredit me, try to at least do it with some logic. and if you really wanna call me out, just hit me up on xbox live or the psn if you wanna get schooled
Here is what I know. I have a ps4 and xbone. I bought knack and kill zone for my ps4 and both games stink. I bought dead rising, forza, killer instinct, ryse and powerstar golf for xbone and have finished all of them and still continue to play them. I was invited to the free alpha test from titanfall which blew me away and Xbox live servers provided nonstop lag free gaming. Aside from resogun there is nothing on ps4 to play until infamous.
exactly what i think! some people think everyone must love the PS4 ... utter BS
SliceofTruth888 You don't have to explain nothing to these Sony fanboys. They buy one system and think ist's the end all and be all system. The hate is more stronger with the Sony fanboys than with the Xbox fanboys. I find them to be a little bit more open to playing on different systems.
i'm glad i bought the xb1 because there's nothing on the PS4 that amazes me! Killzone SF SP is a huge dissapointment and the MP stutters like hell because the fps jump from 60-30 all the time on some maps. Driveclub looks interesting but i already own Forza 5. Infamous looks dull and uninteresing but i didn't like 1+2 so it's just personal opinion. i also don't like the clean text based UI of the PS4. i think there's much more "life" in XB1's UI. i don't want to bash the PS4 but i find it funny how people assume everyone must love the PS4 ... i definitely do NOT!
Honesty answer. I'm glad you got the console you liked better, I'm on the other side. I'm looking forward to the games on the PS4, and enjoy the multiplats also. In the end it's up to you, can't be mad that you spent your hard earned money the way you wanted lol.
You are absolutely right. A colleague of mine came up to me yesterday asking if Battlefield 4 and Fifa are on PC. I said yes they are and asked why he was asking. He said he wants to sell his PS4 because he can't stand the controller. I was shocked when he said that because i have read everywhere that it is the best thing since sliced bread. He said well that might be what others say but he can't stand it and much prefers the Dualshock for his PS3. I did not tell him to buy an Xbox One because i am no spokesman for Sony or Microsoft so i do not see any reason to promote their devices. He said he will sell his PS4, keep his PS3 and buy a gaming PC. A lot of people on N4G find it hard to believe that not everyone likes the PS4. Not everyone likes everything that you like. If they did, Uncharted and other PS3 exclusives should have sold 80 million units by now. Just let people enjoy whatever it is that makes them happy be it Wii U, X1 or PS4 and concentrate on what gives you happiness. EDIT: I have not decided on what console i am going to buy at the moment. I am leaning more to the X1 because i am familiar with the Xbox ecosystem and so far, i like Kinect 2 and prefer the upcoming games announced so far, specifically Fable Legends, Quantum Break and TitanFall (Halo 5 will be a must play). But the scales can tip in favour of the PS4 between now and my planned April purchase of a next gen system.
Well said.. I'm guilty of getting into it with fanboys but truth be told, I'd never tell anyone they were wrong for preferring one or the other.. Or if they like a game I don't. A lot on here can't accept that other people don't think like they do..
I agree with you, we are all free to dislike and enjoy whatever games we do. I understand I'll enjoy stuff you might not like and I would guess it'll be the same the other way round. What winds me up (even though I know it shouldn't) is those who seem to have blind loyalty to any of the 3 manufacturers. Those who slag off any machine without trying it (regardless if they be Sony of Msoft fans) have a small problem. So many people have made themselves look very silly before both consoles were released (If the Xbox1 does it so will the PS4.....no it didn't (with all sorts of things not just DRM)). Just play the games you enjoy....if you don't like it, just walk on there's no need to rave about how bad it is to everyone.
Is the DS3 and DS4 really THAT much different? Aside from the triggers and slightly bigger size the DS4 is basically the same as the DS3. It's definitely surprising that some would sell their system because they prefer the DS3 to 4.
Idontcare Come on. Who are you fooling. I've seen you bash the PS4 at any given opportunity, on a daily basis. You never give any credit to Sony when it's due, they made a fantastic console with some great games, just like Microsoft have. Don't be ignorant.
I would like to believe your testimonial, if you infact OWN both consoles. Not own one and play the other at a friend's house. YOu have to have bought BOTH with your own money.
That is pure bs... I have both consoles and killzone not drops in multiplayer! What is Xbox secret Sauce? Ryse is the best of all their Games, its fresh and new.Dead Rising is good, same as last generation where nobody bought 1 and 2. Forza should be a systemseller but it failed compared to his history, same as Killzone! Knack is same as ryse new and fresh but way of perfect. The Clear Advantage here is the UI, Twitch, Hardware and the developersupport sony has. The UI runs way smoother, Internetbrowser, App-switching, install times, all is better. The Twitch support is awesome and a real juwel!!! The Hardwaregab is already noticeable, what is in 5 years. And the most important thing the developersupport! The Best Games yet are Sonys Indie Games, Resogun, Dont Starve(a mix between dark souls and minecraft) and the upcoming outlast are more fun than all other titles on both plattforms combined. The problem is: There are not many real gamers out there... Am I wrong? Who is with me? Who is a real gamer?
Xbox fans seem to always think it's only Sony fans pounding away, but that's because their looking for something to point the finger at. The truth is everyone is saying that except of the Xbox faithfuls. PlayStation fans, PC fans, Nintendo fans, even former Xbox 360 fans. It's not just PlayStation fans.
Not only this, but last generation the xbots got cocky because the 360 was in the lead in sales for a long time. No one could enjoy their PS3 and games because the bots wouldn't shut up about sales. In my opinion, if you are a die-hard xbox defender then you need to just bite this bullet and hope xbox comes out in the lead next gen, because it won't be happening this gen that's for sure.
Most Xbox Fans didn't dow hat you describe, it's just the Sony Fanboys way of victimizing himself. I'm sorry but it just didn't happen. Because if that was true, than Xbox fans can say you did it before with the PS2 sales. And each time they wanted to enjoy their games they couldn't ei