GR: With the ongoing success of smart devices and Nintendo's clear dominance is the dedicated gaming handheld space, Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter doesn't see a future for Sony in the portable games market.
wow... I only thought he had a hard-on for Anti-Nintendo stuff..
Sony needs to flood vita with a lot more quality games.
Lol there's no getting around it at this point. They need to bring some very compelling software if they want the Vita to go anywhere at this point. The thing is practically dead, but as a Vita owner i'd like to think that it has something coming its way in the future. Also, indies are not going to cut it at this point.
It's a high powered machine that can offer AAA experiences on the go. Sadly, the mass market consumer doesn't really want that...
It's got a lot of games... They're just exclusive to Japan lol. Luckily we're getting a few coming this way. Demon Gaze, Danganronpa, Toukiden, Monster Monpiece, Disgaea 4 Return, Conception 2, Deception 4, and we just got Ys Celceta recently.
True, but Vita shouldn't pigeonhole itself as a handheld. It's an adaptable piece of tech that also needs to take advantage of Playstation Now. It really needs to be what the Wii U was trying to be before Nintendo went the cheap miserly route, and that is a hybrid system that is both a home console and on the go gaming platform. Use the PS4 and Playstation Now to it's fullest potential and drop the ridiculous prices on the memory cards and Sony can turn the Vita around.
RPGs psp shot up after Crisis Core and the 3DS is constantly praised for mainly its rpgs. An one of the most talked about vita releases period is Persona 4 Golden. Bring good rpgs an the rest will fall in to place they work really well on handhelds. FF Agito should of been ported to vita and released in the states ages ago.
Sony allowed Vita to be flooded with crap, from a mediocre Resistance to a crappy RE to a crappy COD; they had no strong plans for it launching with a lot of great software. Sony gave it proprietary memory cards that cost an insane amount, making DDs on less viable. Sony decided to make it strong (and thus expensive) when handheld gamers have always been content with cheap, weaker devices (all the more relevant in a time where cell phones are quenching many casual gamers thirst for mobile entertainment). It has been 2 years, potentially more than a 1/3 of its lifetime (the time until it's succeeded). If it hasn't perked up yet, it doing so later won't likely do it a lot of good with the time it has left. Sony doomed Vita to mediocre sales. That's right, I used the forbidden "D word" and I mean it. Nothing short of a miracle or an entire mess of cash being injected into it would save it from mediocre sales.
@Hatsune-Miku Exactly. There are a solid amount of good games on Vita, but there aren't any AAA franchises on it, and that have name and brand recognition. Until those games come Vita will be a niche device that only PS gamers enjoy. What's sad is that, they're missing out on a bunch of good games, and worse all the free stuff from PS+. My 32GB memory card is already full from PS+, and I have a feeling when I get my 64GB it's going to be full as well instantly since i have about 10 PS Vita games currently sitting on my PS3 HDD. I think they're next handheld device, needs to simply be a PlayStation themed tablet. It might not be "handheld portable", but it just makes more sense and functions better as a multipurpose device. Mobile Technology is finally to the point where real console gaming can be done on devices like tablets (Vita is close, but still not quite there, but Tegra 5 is), so a PlayStation tablet with dedicated controls, built with the PS4 / PS5 in mind seems like the logical way to go. 7" - 10" OLED screen 1+ TFLOP (Tegra 5 is almost 400 GFLOPS, Tegra 6 should be almost 2x) 4 GB DDR4 / GDDR5 / eSRAM / GDDR6 32GB internal Memory $299 (2018 release date)
Agreed. It's a great piece of hardware just needs more games. It kinda seems like the vita is being presented more as a second screen for the ps4 at this point. Last I saw borderlands was coming out for it so that should give it a boost as far as being in the hands of gamers for a large amount of time.
Nope. He will trash anything if people are willing to listen. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, there are still people who listen to him.
Reminds me of how we were constantly reminded for years that the PSP was doomed. DOOOMED!
http://www.webcitation.org/... 2 years in, PSP was at 25 million. Anyone using the word "doom" for PSP at that point in its lifetime must have been high. There were plenty of negative articles LATER in its lifetime, but that's because it was dropping in sales at a fast rate. Vita is a whole different story entirely.
But they were saying it was doomed, weren't they. We endured years of articles regarding the PSP's demise, what Sony could do to "save" the PSP, analyzing what went wrong with the PSP, etc. You're right. It is a completely different story. This isn't 2006 anymore. Mobile game sales dwarf sales for dedicated handhelds. This isn't the same market. I'm not for a second claiming the PS Vita isn't struggling, but I'm saying we've heard this type of doomsaying time and time again. After over a decade of listening to these type of "Doom" stories, they've simply lost their impact and any credibility they may have once had. So Pachter admittedly doesn't "get it" when it comes to the PS Vita's appeal. He thinks all the casuals have moved to mobile, but since when was the casual market the PS Vita's target, or the PSP? This is coming from the guy that also admitted he didn't "get" why WWII games were popular. Personally, as the article mentioned, I have a tonne of games on my Vita and the combination of the Vita and PSN+ is simply an amazing value. I don't care if the Vita is pulled from the shelf tomorrow, I'm quite happy I'm a Vita owner. I'm just saying I take all these types of predictions with a grain of salt. So should you.
He is anti everything as long as it makes him money.
I don't think the Vita will reach even 15mil LTD.well,serves you rights for Sony arrogance.
yeah yeah patcher whatever you say send from my ps vita
I hope the vita does okay lifetime. I wouldnt want sony to try and mimic nintendo's direction with handhelds because the dichotomy between the vita and 3ds is what makes them both must owns.
At least those who have purchased the console have been quite satisfied. We probably won't see a successor, though. Sony will likely just push smartphones after the Vita is dead.
especially with Vita TV and PSNOW
Yup, i'm really satisfied with my vita. Can't wait for Gravity Rush 2, Freedom Wars, DanganRonpa, SS Delta, Toukiden, Trails in the Sky: 2nd chap, and many more.
I love my Vita, but I'd have a hard time recommending one to anyone else. It's a great bit of kit but it just doesn't have mass market appeal, most folks are happy with their smartphone and tablet games if they want portable gaming, and I think that is just what the future of hand held gaming will be. Especially now that we are seeing official controllers for iOS devices.
Totally ~ Have you seen Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth Screenshots for the Vita ? http://storage.siliconera.c... http://storage.siliconera.c... Oh My ... ❤
Digimon series isn't my cup of tea. But a lot of my friends got nuts when they saw Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth. They will buy Vita once this game got out. I always thought that Digimon had the potential to match Pokemon series. To bad sony/namdai doesn't maximize that potential.
i really cant put my finger on it but I cant think of what is making the vita not sell like hot cakes it has power, sexy design and GAMES. i own a vita (first gen) but i hardly ever use it, although i am looking forward to gravity rush two
I think its because a lot of the software isnt designed with portability in mind, more of a console experience on the go. Like the wipeout on vita look great but it has like 45 sec-1 minute loading screens that pretty much kill any chance of playing it for a quick 5-10 minutes on the bus. Also stuff like uncharted and gravity rush are great games but theyre still not games designed to be played on the go.
You just nailed it... Fully...
It does not have games. In classic Sony fashion it has a very narrow set of game genres covered. I'd buy one if they made a game in a genre I like.
What kind of game would get you to buy one?
It has a huge spread of genres! My only issue with it's library is a distinct lack of AAA high quality titles.
I wish Sony would stop pushing handheld, all that chains of Olympus and kill zones and resistances could have been manpower spent on ps3 versions good ones...not crappy prequels. Or money used for a decent dualshick4 battery that lasts longer than 6 hours. Vita is the reason Sony is in financial crumbs and Nintendo is doing the same with their testicle less wiiu. Its just sad.. but funny. I will say this killzone shadow fall rocks. Now imagine if they used that kill zone liberation development costs for more maps or voice chat which it is currently lacking. Sony focus boy, focus. Are ya paying attention to what I'm trying to tell ya boy?
There's no real support for the handheld and plus its now being marketed as an PS4 accessory
Yep. Pretty much. Think that will help its chances at all?
It has, vita sales have baselined higher since the ps4 released. Its a genius design, but theres still only a handful that want to drop another 200 bucks after spending 400 on a ps4. Whats annoying is sony has actually relegated a few of their handheld dedicated 2nd and 1st party studios into ps4 development. Like those guys making The Order used to made GoW psp games.
it actually might get more traction as a ps4 accessory down the road
During the Obama years...?.. uh,..no. $420 for ...console check,$190 for 3 decent games...check, $50 for PS+ membership...check...$300 hand held console with 5" screen and $30 shit games.....uh no,...I think I'll just buy a new Samsung galaxy.
i can find a Vita right now for 100-120$....shop smart... and i said down the road sheesh....the Galaxy cant do connectivity wise via remote play what the vita can with the PS4 hence an accessory. Games? Between Remote playing PS4 games PS+ and PSNow and you should be good to go on the games front But if you are looking for Plants vs Zombies ,Angry Birds , Subway Surf and Candy Crush, then yes that may not be for you. and a GS4 costs more than a PS4 if we are talking price...but the games sure are cheap
Hasn't that already failed?
I'm dying for more Vita games, third- or first-party. I don't care.
It's such a fantastic piece of hardware, however it lacks compelling games and unfortunately for once in his life, Patcher is right in this regards. It's a shame, however between lack of quality games for the Vita and the fast pace of mobile and tablet gaming growing at record speeds, there is no place left for the Vita.... :-(
His assumptions have no past, why should they have a present or even a future? Patcher should re-name himself into Patcherdamus or Patcherramus (I don't really care), if he is that brave in seeing into the future, he just should be ashamed of himself.
Patcher is a clown and I wonder how the hell he still has a job. We all know this, however this one he got right... And it's not like it could take a genius to figure this out. Anyone could see this coming. Patcher just preaches nonsense OR facts we already know.
No, no, no, no ... I bought myself a Vita some time ago, because I know that sooner or later a Monster Hunter game will come out for it, so the Vita isn't doomed for me. Sales-wise maybe, but the system is still alive and it could stay alive for another five years or so, there is always something to hold on.
i never thought i'd agree with patcher but he's spot on for once. Its a sad because he vita is a great device, but outside of Japan no one gives a toss about it. With the off tv ps4 stuff being now seen a s amjor part of the consoel i can only see it getting worse for the vita as anything other than an expensive 'me too' wiiu gamepad for the ps4.
How does a device that launched first get called the "me too" device? It even revealed the off TV feature first. I'm not saying the Vita is doing great, but let's not forget about all the games it has, and all the ones coming out. You'd be livid if someone tried to downplay the Wii U; ironic that you're here doing the same to the Vita.
I'm not downplaying the Vita, i'm worried that Sony are going to use the likes of off TV PS4 Play and PLayStation NOw as an excuse (internally at least) to cut most of their support for the console as a gaming machine in its own right. The WiiU was out before Sony even revealed the PS4 yet alone off TV play for it. The Vita is doing worse than the WiiU, that's the truth. If the WiiU is a disaster, than the Vita is an absolute calamity.
Agreed, the vita was DOA and no way wil it make it
Opposite problem Nintendo is having. Sony's best teams are making PS4 games. Nintendo's best teams are making 3DS games. Obviously, there are exceptions, like Gravity Rush and Super Mario 3D World, but still.
Plus Nintendo stole Monster Hunter.
I couldn't care less about Monster Hunter. It's a decent series, but I prefer the faster game play of Gods Eater and Soul Sacrifice. My friends always bring Monster Hunter to my house though, so we can all play on our Wii U's. I'd never turn it down, but I feel it has been bested.
The only game I ever played for psp was fight night rd 3. And madden and homebrew genesis games. If they just made vita work like a tablet with mouse and keyboard usb ports id buy it. I would take it to work with me and chill on downtimes. If we can stream games on the cloud like bf4 or bf3? Man id get it too.
Patcher first said > " Microsoft already have nextgen in hands..." > now he's all like : "PS4 will win this gen..." wait and see: today he says PS vita will die, tomorrow he will say something like "Ps vita i going better than what i have expected"
Basically, we all need to stop caring what Pachter says.
He's an attention whore who say anything for the sake of getting investor to talk to him which in turn makes him money, he's admitted this. It's a shame he takes this path because there are times where he can be a competent analyst.
I had absolutely no interest in the Vita before the announcement of PlayStation Now. Seeing as how the service will not be in Europe till next year, I can see how things pan out and see if the service will live up to expectations. If it does, I will get a Vita for sure.
Vita wont get PS Now support at launch though iirc. I think they're going PS3 and PS4 first, Vita later.
First off, I am not hating on the Vita. It is a system I actually want to own in the future. With that said, there's a lot to be said when people are more talking about optional services and how a handheld pairs with a home-based console than dedicated games for said handheld.
Yeah it needs more original games.
Totally agree! Sony should focus only on home consoles, their strength.
sony could ditch the vita and create a real mobile device to compete in the mobile market.
@modesign "sony could ditch the vita and create a real mobile device to compete in the mobile market" like: the PSPGo? the xperia-play? the PSPVita? do many not get this, the PSVita is the platform that is geared as a remote access extender. Sony already seen what happens when the smartphone and tablet market disrupts a market? The PDA market was disrupted, AND WHY DO YOU THINK SONY BOUGHT OUT SONY ERICSSON FOR OVER. The deal will involve Sony paying its former partner €1.05bn in cash for its share. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d... AND CREATED THE PSVita TV and release it even before the full 2nd year of the PSVita's, 2nd year on the market. To top it off Sony created, playstation mobile; day and date with the NGP: ie the PSVita. on stage, combine with the PSNow service, Creating a deal with the Unity for the Unity 3D game engines now for all playstation platfoms. The PSVita hardware is being included as a playstation platform not just for mobile only it was built to be able to be included into TV's itself. if people want to say than that means the PSVita is Sony's last handheld than so be it. but the very fact the PSVita hardware can be more than just a handheld means it can be a platform in one shape or form of another. Means that expect Sony to not drop the PSVita as a platform anytime soon.
Don't they already provide mobile devices for the mobile market? And aren't selling very poorly?
@lilbroRx "Don't they already provide mobile devices for the mobile market? And aren't selling very poorly?" yes they do make smart phones, and no they are not selling poorly They sell over 10+ million xperia smart devices per sales quarter! Now that is not anywhere near samsung or Apples #'s but it sure is more than even both Nintendo and sonys dedicated handhelds sell per sales quarter. so over 10+ million units/ sales quarter is nothing to sneeze at. thats over 43+ million smartdevices a year! with playstation mobile,plus add in playstation now all those xperia smartdevices can generate playstation software income for Sony. Also along with the PSVita mobile platform.
Sony makes mobile hardware usually under the Xperia brand (phones/tablets).
WOOT! This guy is amazing not because his predictions are accurate but because they are so offbase that whatever he predicts, the exact opposite would happen. IF Pachter says Vita has no future, that means the Vita will dominate :D
There's no future or need for him.
False. All he needs to do is say something negative about Nintendo, and everyone will start praising his words as if he was the messiah again.