Pachter: 3DS Will Survive In Diminished Market, Vita To 'Die Slow, Painful Death'

On the state of the PlayStation Vita:

The sales are horrible. My model says the Vita sold 4.2 million last year. It's a pretty small number and I don't think they are going to build a business selling 4 million a year -- and that number could go down. Vita is a little bit too elegant and a little too expensive. I always feel like I'm going to break it. But then it has relatively few games because they are complicated to make and the market is so small. Very few publishers are spending money to make them. You had Assassin's Creed: Liberation, that cost Ubisoft a lot. It's a whole new adventure. Sony will spend the money with their internal studios, but you're just going to see [Vita] die a slow, painful deat

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PSNintyGamer1641d ago

Sounds like his predictions for PS4 and Wii U.

nidhogg1641d ago

I don't even know how this guy is being trusted by bigwigs. Seems like almost all his predictions are complete bogus at best.

us_army1641d ago

I think everyone, including Pachter is looking at the Vita all wrong. They look at overall unit sales vs the other scenarios to making money and deeming a console successful. The Vita is far behind the 3Ds yes, but has in fact sold millions (we fail to remember how big that number is).

Where it stands out is attachment. The average Vita user has about 9-10 games. That is a massive attach rating when compared to other consoles (See IGN).

Long story short, it does not appeal to the mass market, but to PS fans or hardcore gamers on the go, it has been a true luxury. Sony is making good money on the software and truly helping the success with many small, start-up developers. Throw in the mix with PS4 and PSNow down the road, you will see the Vita to sell consistently. Sony is not pushing it to the masses, they are pushing it to the audience that it fits, and guess what, it is working. If you are skeptical of a Vita, you probably dont own one.

TomShoe1641d ago

Didn't the Vita just beat the Wii U in sales this week?

ABizzel11641d ago

Just like the Wii U, the PS Vita has a chance. I really don't understand what's going on with the Vita. It's a great little portable, but no one's giving it the chance it deserves.

The common argument is that there aren't any games on it, which is a complete lie. However, there is a lack of known, established, AAA franchises from both 1st and 3rd party on the Vita which is likely what they mean.

That part is true, but there are a bunch of good games to play and discover. PS+ alone covers your Vita library INSTANTLY with strong titles like Uncharted, Gravity Rush, and MUCH more. Cross Buy helps with PS3 / PS4 / PSV games as well. FInally the PS4 and PS Now should bring more life to the Vita as well.

Sony needs to focus on re-marketing the Vita demonstrating it's PS4 and PS Now functionality, it's affordable $199 price, have a wave of AAA games come to the handheld throughout the next couple of years (FFX, FF13 Agito port, Gran Turismo, Assassins Creed, etc...), and they need to get those larger Memory cards out at reasonable prices.

The Vita will be alright, they just need a rebranding of the product and get PS Vita TV a world wide launch. It's not going to be a huge seller, but I can see it hitting around 50 million units sold if they start getting more AAA franchises on the handheld.

Prime1571641d ago

I feel like he just throws out predictions left and right to be able to say, "I told you so" when either the left or the right happens lol. All he does is take value of some emotions and current trends to form his crappy observations, imo.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he say (sometime before e3) than ps brand was doomed?

tiffac0081641d ago

Correction! He does not predict, he either make jinx assumptions or states the very obvious. XD

TBONEJF1641d ago

he needs to be punch in the face that's all.

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3-4-51641d ago

You can't trust a guy who makes his living making "money decisions" for people.

Money rules his thought's clouded his judgment.

Kribwalker1641d ago

Kinda funny how millions of units is a lot for vita, but millions of units is failure for Xbox one.

dcj05241641d ago

Who said the xbox one is failure lol?Both PS4 and XBOX one are doing great.

Kribwalker1641d ago

That's not what 85% of the people on this site would have you believe

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Kribwalker1638d ago

I am perfectly happy with my Xbox one, and like I've done the last 3 generations, as price drops hit other consoles I will purchase them and their exclusive only games. I will still play my xbox exclusives and multi platform games on the one, and play the other exclusives I want to play for ps4 and wiiu. The Xbox one has better exclusives right now so I'm in no hurry for my ps4.

And you wanna talk about doing your homework, the vita has been out for 2 years. In 6 months the xbox one will surpass total sales. At double the price. The 3ds has had no problem selling, it's the terrible support of the vita from sony that is dooming it

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Exari1641d ago (Edited 1641d ago )

didnt patchter say that the vita is already dead? now its GOING TO die slowly? spoiler alert: next episode, the vita is going to fight death and will be back to life, then final episode, the vita is a great handheld game console.

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teflontactics1641d ago

Only if by "slow painful death" you mean "keep delivering awesome games I can't help but play" - I've barely put my Vita down since I got it Christmas 2012 and my backlog just grows and grows.

There may only be seven or eight million Vitas out there, but they're selling software for it like hotcakes. I've got around 50 Vita games and almost everyone I talk to who has one of these amazing portables has at least 10-15 games in their collection (if not much, much more).

The Vita's dying... pfft. Someone fire this guy.

bothebo1641d ago

Are you serious!? First off, let me say that I myself own close to 30 vita games. However, I would only say that about half of those games are quality software. Yes I'm crapping on indies because the majority of them contribute next to nothing to the system and offer little content. Only AAA software will really move consoles. Example, Bioshock Vita which was supposed to have been done by now but Sony is too cheap to pay 2K to make the game even though there would be a high long term return.

Let's look at sales. The Vita has only sold 7.3 million units in almost two years. THAT IS AWFUL!! So in seven years the Vita will sell 25.5 million units? Lol, you're stupid to make such a remark because developers are businesses and they need money. AAA studios take risks, indies do not, hence they need a large install base to get a return. Software sales for the Vita are below every other console in the world except the PSP according to VG Chartz!!! Now this doesn't include digital, but it still points to the fact that people are not satisfied with the library of big games hence, why they are turning to digital sales. Three of the four highest selling games on Amazon haven't even released yet!!! Oh wait why don't you check Gamestop: same story. PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE CURRENT SOFTWARE. Myself included, you do not even have the right to speak on behalf of Vita owners because everything points to the fact that you are wrong. People are not happy with current software on the Vita.

teflontactics1641d ago

If we're speaking in terms of money made, now that you've bought those 30 games (whether you like them or not) they've already made their profit off you and your point is moot. You can bitch about needing AAA titles and indies sucking all you like, but regarding you as a consumer, they're in the black which is a sustainable business model.

It doesn't matter if they sell 1 unit or 100 million units, if they're netting a positive income off the consumer on average (instead of losing it) that's called profit and it's perfectly sustainable.

Sales numbers on consoles do not directly equal success or failure, get your facts straight.

kreate1641d ago

are raging cuz of the vita's sales?
or are u raging about the software?
or are u raging about sony?

sony is making games for ps3, ps4, ps vita.
what's ur problem exactly?

cuz it just sounds like a hater rant.

kayoss1641d ago

How many IOS game that are considered crap but still made thousands of sales? Indie games are not AAA games, they rely on the same model as IOS and Android games. They're cheap and people will buy them to try it out to past the time. I agree that AAA games are what move hardware.
My main complaint is that SOny have not really advertised any Vita games. I dont remember seeing any Vita game comercial so far. Even if there was a AAA game being released, the only people who knows about these are hardcore fans and Vita owners. Potential consumers will most likely not hear about it.

kopicha1641d ago

I have more than 30 games. I can say that I am satisfy with at least more than half of what I own. And it makes me even more a happy owner with how well it work out with my PS4.

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NYC_Gamer1641d ago

PSV is such a solid piece of hardware without any real type of support..I don't think the handheld will last long unless a major change in direction happens..Where's all of that promised support?PSV/Wii U are in the same boat right now.

bothebo1641d ago

Lol thank you, the change has to come from Sony. They need to be aggressive in bringing developers to the platform and this does not mean indies!

360ICE1641d ago

Why on earth does it not mean indies? Right now, this is the only dedicated handheld console that you can play games like Terraria, Hotline Miami and Spelunky on.

I'd love to have Mark of the Ninja, Rez and more on the machine.

SpiralTear1641d ago

Sony needs to stop just letting the Vita sit there on the market and actually do something with it. As everyone says, it's a great piece of hardware (aside from the rear touch pad, which is terrible). Big screen, solid controls, awesome layered dashboard: it's a great piece of hardware and Sony thinks that the hardware will magically carry it to success. But it won't. It needs more games, plain and simple.


Sony has been very respectful to the indies. There's no need to pitch to them any further, because they've already proven that the Vita is a good system for them. Sony needs to put in the extra effort and get a big game. A really big game. Tearaway and Soul Sacrifice are great, but Sony needs something much more substantial to make the Vita look as powerful as its hardware implies.

imXify1641d ago

Aggressive ehhh ?

PS4/Vita bundle WHERE ARE YOU !?

nidhogg1641d ago

Okay so the Vita is gonna survive then! All hail Pachter and his back-firing predictions! .... seriously, someone fire this guy. Anyhow, adding my opinion on the Vita, I'm currently enjoying everything it has to offer right now. Despite these so-called "predictions" the game machine just can't find its own space on public interest as of yet. I understand that smartphones are the way to go but give it time... just a little more time until Sony decides to use some of its IPs for development on a Vita game. I'm knocking at you Infamous :) in short, I love and will continue to support my PSV! More of those awesome RPGs please!

CocoWolfie1641d ago

dont agree with his portable console predictions.. the market its self wont die, there will always be people who want portable actual games. as for the vita, the games costs less because its not that powerful, thats a good thing, from what i heard assassins creed made its money back, it sold like 700,000 copies from awhile ago. the vita needs to push forward to survive, no way people/fans will let it die.

kayoss1641d ago

I would ignore any of his predictions. He predicted that when the PS4 and Xbox one they will not succeed because of the mobile gaming industry. Ipads and tablets will take over home consoles. Its funny how the Xbox one and PS4 sold millions in its first few weeks of release.
Patcher dont use a crystal ball to make his predictions, He get his predictions from sticking his head up a donkey's Ass, thats why his predictions are full of crap.

fonger081641d ago

I feel gross for even admitting this but "part" of the market is gone, switched to phones/tablets for mobile gaming... little kids are impressed by even the crappiest $1 games. It's not that the dedicated hand-held market will die, but how much of the pie is left? How many pieces of hardware or software must sell to break even or make a profit especially with some of these high-end games? I mean the numbers don't lie, the 3DS and Vita aren't selling as quickly or much as their predecessors. I guess what's the equilibrium level for developers and hardware manufactures to make money in a smaller market?