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Microsoft Responds To 'Games With Gold' Not Being As Good As 'Playstation Plus'

Microsoft Responds To 'Games With Gold' Not Being As Good As 'Playstation Plus' (Industry, Phil Spencer, PS Vita, PS3, PS4, Xbox 360)

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Neonridr  +   186d ago
lol... Phil feels good about the first half of '14. So expect some earth shattering title like Halo: Reach or Gears of War 3 to be free.. :P
aiBreeze  +   186d ago
I'd take Gears of War 3. Still, they should try and find a way to release Shadowrun. That game was so ahead of it's time and is one of the most fun MP games I've ever played. They NEED to revive it and bring back that awesome experience.
Neonridr  +   186d ago | Well said
lol, I am sure we would basically take anything at this point. I was merely poking fun. If they wanted to be competitive in that regards, then give away Halo 4 or GoW Judgement instead.

I mean look at PS+ giving away Bioshock Infinite for free. Metro Last Light too.

MS needs to step it up and not release games that are 5+ years old. Give gamers something that is actually within the past year or so..
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jmac53  +   186d ago
Are the servers still up for this game? That was a long time ago.
Lowsnamebrand  +   186d ago
Disagree simply because shadowrun made a mochary of what previous shadowrun games were all about, thank god the original creators of the video games got the rights back, maybe one day they'll release an actually 3d open world game instead of top down shooters like shadowrun returns
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GameNameFame  +   186d ago
Good ol phil with his dodge, deflect, avoid and spin tactic.

Only pure fanboys would turn to him to listen to what they already know as PR.
amiga-man  +   186d ago
M$ giving stuff away for free reminds me of this scene from ghost, Sony and PS+ are like Sam Wheat forcing them to give stuff away through gritted teeth lol

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

PS+ is just amazing value pure and simple
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FamilyGuy  +   186d ago
It's funny how he mentioned Brothers but ignored the big titles like Bioshock, Devil May Cry and Borderlands 2.

It is a different ball game for them though. They have to grab old titles that aren't selling anymore because they give the games away for keeps. PS+ can have MUCH newer games because grabbing them is a limited time offer and if you (for some unfortunate reason) don't resubscribe you lose them.

I think MS should completely copy Sonys route if they wish to compete. They need to make their games subscription bound so game makers are more comfortable about having their games on the list. I know if I was a dev I wouldn't want my game being given away forever without some really big bucks coming my way. Especially if my game was only a year old like a few of the PS+ games have been.
ShinMaster  +   186d ago
Typical haters will call it "renting", but there's no good reason for me to stop the service in the first place.

http://i.imgur.com/tkRA0e6....

http://i.imgur.com/AVE7isO....

http://i.imgur.com/deAHsQI.... (great since year one)

I'll gladly trade $50 a year for $1000 worth of free content and discounts.
I have more games than time to play :D
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thegreatklemba  +   186d ago
@familyguy if you dont keep sub and lose it when you re sub you get every free game back you had before just to let you know and anyone that might have thought you lose them forever if you dont keep sub for good.
OT: Sure phil what every say ill believe it when i see it .I wish Microsoft could bring back the people that made the OG xbox cause i though it was great but just didnt have the mass appeal
Cueil  +   186d ago
it's not hating to call it renting... it's renting a game if you don't keep it after the subscription period ends... GwG you keep the game even if you stop subscribing to XBLG... for a new Xbox 360 owner the deal is worth every penny
Unspoken  +   186d ago
@FamilyGuy

How does requiring the gamer to pay Sony for a PS+ to play the free games guarantee the developer is seeing any extra money? Any idea what contracts are being made between the devs and either company, Sony or Microsoft?

Keeping the game for life, as long as you grab it during the download period, seems to be a much better deal for the gamer. If for some reason you take a break from Live and have the game on your console, you can still play it.

The question is, do you need a Live sub in order to access your download history in case you ever delete the game?

With PlayStation you are stuck paying the subscription fee to access any free PS+ game. Also, what happens if you don't have an internet connection to verify your PS+ sub? Is this the same type of DRM people were whining about with the XB1 and are now blind because it has a Sony label on the side?
da_2pacalypse  +   186d ago
Gears 3 > GowJ. I get that you're trying to say they should give us newer stuff, but just about anyone will tell you the same thing about GowJ. It was terrible.
FamilyGuy  +   186d ago
@ Unspoken

Say someone REALLY likes a game that they got through PS+ but they don't plan on resubscribing for some reason. In that instance they might decide to actually purchase the game they liked so much. If they got the game free and clear like through GwG they wouldn't ever buy a copy, they'd still have it so there would be no incentive to pay for it.

"Also, what happens if you don't have an internet connection to verify your PS+ sub?"

PS+ games have an expiration date. When you play a game the date is updated based on when your subscription is set to end. If you increase your subscription the date gets updated once you launch the game while connected to the internet. Once updated, that date remains valid whether you connect to the internet or not. It doesn't require some daily check in. If my sub end in August 2014 then I can play my PS+ games till aug 2014 without ever connecting to the internet or psn. It's funny to see people try to force a comparison with MSs notorious DRM policy at every chance they get though lol.

@ thegreatklemba

I'm well aware of PS+ policies and how the service works. I've been telling people the exact same thing you just said for a while now. Just reactivate it or go to your downloads list and download it again if you deleted it. As long as your sub is current you have access to everything you've ever gotten. In MY scenario I'm basing it off someone that doesn't plan on re-subscribing.

My overall point is that MS would be better off if they did what Sonys doing. Both gamers and devs would appreciate it more. Gamers for the newer/more recently released game titles and devs for the ability to still make a profit off their game through actual game purchases.
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P_Bomb  +   186d ago
@unspoken
I'd rather "rent" a game I like than "own" a game I don't like. There's no joy in me getting to keep stuff on GWG that I don't want in the first place. All I wound up getting that I actually wanted was Crackdown, and after I beat it in a week and orb-collected it out, that was it. I haven't touched Crackdown since. Why would I with my backlog?

For me It's about playing new games, not collecting digital dust. That's why I let my gold subscription expire last august and renewed plus for another year in October. GWG is getting better with titles like Sleeping Dogs, but again, I don't need to own it on 360 when I already platinumed it through PSPlus 9 months earlier. Ditto with Assassins Creed 2 and Dead Rising 2, *years* earlier. Letting me keep stuff I already own isnt much of a hook.

There's no offline DRM either with Plus. You can't at ALL compare this to XBone's early policies. PS Plus games have expiration dates, but they stack. Even on my PSP, which hasn't been online in months. My Tekken still works as does GTA Liberty City Stories. My free XBL Doritos Crash Course 2 however hasn't worked since I went Silver. I guess blindness is in the eye of the beholder.
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GravelerMagnitude9  +   186d ago
man, shadowrun is my favorite game of all time. i always had a katana and loved when you cut somebody in the back and they be like

"Im bleeeeeding ooooouuuuttt"

it was fun. i hate games that cares more of competitiveness than fun.

we need that shadowrun on ps4
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bennissimo  +   186d ago
XBL has superior functionality. I don't care about the expense and no longer game on a 360, so the fact that XBL doesn't supply me with free games doesn't matter at all.

I don't think MS has to feel insecure about XBL or games with gold. GWG is icing on an already awesome cake -- free games with PS+ make up for the fact that the PSN is shit compared to MS's online functionality.
mananimal  +   186d ago
@ aibreeze

SHADOWRUN!! SHADOWRUN!! SHADOWRUN!!

Well said, best MP ive ever played ,the only MP shooter i play now....id say say id be pretty tempted to buy an Xbox One if a sequel was released. wouldnt change my gut wrenching feelings about a Corp like Microsoft, its too late for that but id would purchase XB1 for shadowrun, no doubt.
Monster_Tard  +   186d ago
@FamilyGuy I don't know if that's entirely how Microsoft does it, they could be giving us some of the slightly newer games that they own the rights to, but they don't. Instead of giving away Halo reach or Halo 5, they give out Halo 3(not even ODST) instead. I believe they try to put as little money as possible in the deals they strike with the publishers of these games and most of the games they have given us have been games that have had a few sequels come out all ready, so basically the publishers are using them as advertisement and Microsoft may not be paying anything at all to give some of these away.
FamilyGuy  +   186d ago
Well I know they're being cheap but the last part of what you said is an interesting thought. Giving out their old games for free as a form of advertisement. That's actually part of Sonys deal with PS+ and PS+ discount promotions, the publicity, but Sony pays them money on top of that.

I don't know why MS is being so stingy with the cash flow, they could make a lot of their fans happier if they up'd the ante with some current and therefore more relevant titles.
P_Bomb  +   186d ago
@ bennissimo

That "superior functionality" cake is missing a few ingredients. For starters it won't let me compare achievements/games with my XB1 friends. When I log onto my 360, every XB1 game is compiled into one generic gamerscore with a tab I can't even click on. No idea who's playing what anymore. PSN however lets me compare PS3/PS4/Vita trophies and games on any system, in the same list. Even on my iPhone app. I don't feel as disconnected from my friends.
wsoutlaw87  +   185d ago
this whole renting vs owning is so stupid to even be talking about. sony is saying if you subscribe to plus you can play online and play all these games at no additional cost. If you think thats a good deal, which most do, then you get it. obviously you cant pay for one month and get the instant game collection forever. Its a service, its not buying games so theres no point in discussing it. If you think its a good value then you get it. There's no reason to get rid of it, and even if you do, you probably beat the game already, and you're not going to buy the game just so you dont need to pay for plus. For most people the distinction between owning it and renting it makes no difference because they dont want to stop their plus sub.
MS and Sony have to pay money for the games on the service so the games they get are related to that more than anything. The only difference is that sony doesnt have to worry about people paying for only one month and grabbing the 20 great games they have available for less than 20$
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abzdine  +   185d ago
PSN+?? smh...
how can he compete with something he cant even quote correctly?
Seafort  +   185d ago
@Lowsnamebrand You really have no idea what Shadowrun was do you?
The original on SNES and Megadrive was a isometric RPG which was based on the tabletop RPG.
I hope Shadowrun is never turned into another FPS like the one on PC and X360. It was pathetic and made a mockery of the franchise.
A bit like what EA did to Syndicate.

Shadowrun Returns is a strategy RPG with turn based combat and is true to the original and the tabletop game. It was not a top down shooter.
sentury111  +   185d ago
Shadowrun on 360 was great
snipes101  +   185d ago
Hey at least I get to keep the games if I cancel my gold account. I just feel like I'm borrowing the games with PS+. That's not really "free."
Ashunderfire86  +   186d ago
The problem with Games with Gold is that free games for the 360 being release are 3 years(Fable 3)old, and older(Halo 3) compare to PS Plus games. The PS Plus games are free after 1 year, and even within 10 months(BioShock Infinite) or right at launch(Resogun). Xbox Live advantage over this is that the games are free forever with or without Gold subscription, but in order to get the free game you have to sign up anyway.
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kreate  +   186d ago
'in order to get the free game you have to sign up anyway'

lol
UtraAtomic  +   186d ago
its true, but when sony first started ps+ there game line up wasn't really that good. microsoft kinda just started this (games with gold) so not bad, if you think about it.
MRMagoo123  +   186d ago
@ultraatomic

The thing is "microsoft kinda just started this (games with gold) so not bad, if you think about it" doesnt cut it, every xbox fanboy on this site (im not saying that you are one) says MS pretty much has an infinite money cheat on, with allllllll the money MS has why do they give you games that cost $4 in the shop second hand? they cant use the excuse that they only just started doing it, they have PS plus as a reference for how to do it well.
Larry L  +   186d ago
It's kinda funny how many people say "Plus didn't start off great at first either, so Game with Gold will get better just like Plus.". My memory may not be perfect, but I seem to remember Plus coming out hot right out of the gate, which is why I subscribed by month 2.....the only reason I didn't sub month 1 was because I already had WipeOut HD and the WipeOut HD Fury expansion. The 2nd PS3 game was LBP, which was like 7 or 8 months old. The PS1 games were like Destruction Derby and I know MedEvil since I had never played it before then, and FFV I think. One of the minis was like the best one, FieldRunners and Age of Zombies. I also got the Killzone 2 DLC and the Motorstorm Pacific Rift DLC for free. I recall good discounts right off the bat too. I think it was month 2 or 3 that had every PS1 FF for $2.50 each, which I bought every one to have them on my PSP (they now reside on my Vita).

I don't really think Plus started off that slow. ANd it continued to get even better at a very quick pace. So people should really stop using that as a defense for MS's unimpressive version of Plus.
Jughead3416  +   186d ago
Yea, being able to play games like LBP2, Uncharted 3, Bioshock, Borderlands 2, etc. for free is well worth the subscription fee. Gold would be cool if not for PS+. Gold's games are too dated for anyone to care much. PS+ allows you to play Driveclub, Warframe, War Thunder, Resogun, Planetside 2, etc. at launch.
Rainstorm81  +   186d ago
I remember when PS+ was scoffed at as a rental service......ive gotten so many games off of it its more than worth the price especially if you just picked up a PS system.

From Infamous 2,LBP2, the entire RE PS1 collection, countless PSN gems like Shank 2, PacMan, Galaga, and newer games like Bioshock Infinite or GotY stuff like RDR or Uncharted 3....PS+ has turned into a go to service for console gamers without question, if Sony can keep this up with the PS4 itll make XBL and Games with Gold look more laughable than it is.

Im loving Dont Starve and Resogun right now....cant wait for Drive Club and Secret Ponchos
ShinMaster  +   186d ago
@ UtraAtomic

""when sony first started ps+ there game line up wasn't really that good""

Not true at all

http://i.imgur.com/deAHsQI....

PS Plus has been great since its first year^
wsoutlaw87  +   185d ago
@ultra plus started of good as stated above but wasnt always good. Plus was new business for sony. XB LIVE is not new at all. They have been making revenue off of it for years so there is no reason the infancy of the concept to start slow. They just want too seem as if they match sony in features for as cheap as they can.
Knushwood Butt  +   185d ago
@ Larry

PS+ started off pretty poorly in Japan, but it's been much better since about a year ago.

It's probably still not as good as it is in NA/EU, but I'm happy with it.
LoveOfTheGame  +   185d ago
@Everyone listing "year one" games PS+ gave

Those are what you got YOUR first year, PS+ wasn't great starting out in 2010.

@LarryL
LBP was never given on PS+, and games were not getting good until about early 2012. The only decent ones before that were games 15+ yrs old, which I'm sad I missed out on(started early 2013).

@Shin Master
You're drunk, that was not PS+'s first year. The only decent games in PS+ first year were Sonic and Spyro.
Eonjay  +   186d ago
The problem with "games with gold" is that you have to pay developers to have the content available to your subscribers. Xbox Live was intended to be a cash cow. It was never set up a service that paid anything out. PS+ is basically a discount club service where the sub fees are pooled together to get large volume licences from developers.
Cueil  +   186d ago
I think you are mistaken... Sony does indeed fork over money for the games... as for discounts the XBLG discounts are sizable and for very good games... Tales of Vesperia is like 5 bucks right now
_FantasmA_  +   186d ago | Funny
Gears 3 came out in Sept 2011, so it doesn't qualify to be free yet. Wait until 2018 at least.
YodaCracker  +   186d ago
Sleeping Dogs came out in 2012 and it was free earlier this month. How do you explain that, sir?
P_Bomb  +   186d ago
Uncharted 3 came out the *same time* as Gears 3 and has been free on PS Plus since E3 2013. It's up right now. Gears 3 should MORE than qualify. 2018 is halfway through the next gen!
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otherZinc  +   186d ago
Look, I don't give 1 S&*+ about cheap Indie Games, Free to play Games, or Old@ss games I've already played, when I pay $500 for a damn console!

However, I do care about the games for that $500 console to continue to rollout. Following: Forza 5, Ryse, Killer Instinct, & Dead Rising 3.....Phil is right! This 1st Quarter 2014 XBOX ONE:
Fable Legends
Plants vs Zombies
Kinect Sports Rivals
TitanFall
So yeah, that's a Quarter!

Having free old games is a cover-up for having no new next-gen games.
Chevalier  +   186d ago
Fable Legends is not dated for the first quarter of 2014, you are getting confused with Fables Anniversary which is due February 4th, 2014. Kinect sports rivals is not coming out first quarter either. I work at an EB games and neither is even available for preorders, sorry to burst your bubble, but, if it's not listed by now it's NOT coming first quarter.

So your list is now corrected to the following

Plants vs. Zombies February 25th, 2014
Titanfall March 11th, 2014

Also 'old' free games of the caliber of Bioshock Infinite, Borderlands 2, Dragons Dogma Dark Arisen and Sleeping Dogs to name a few are excellent regardless of how you want to try to lessen the awesomeness that is PS Plus doesn't change the fact that Games with Gold pales in comparison. Funny how only the next gen matters now right? Guess not having exclusives on 360 over the last 3 years must have been painful. But fear not you now can play plants vs. zombies and Titanfall, you should be proud, it only cost $500.
dwlwoolers  +   186d ago
@otherzink
buddy ur destined for disappointment, how can u say indies are cheap. Do urself a favor and explore the indie game scene. Seriously some our a blast! Ive had some really good times rocking indies on my psvita(admittedly I was desperate for games) I now consider indies some of my top gaming choices. And
My vita is easily my 2 favorite console ever. Please from a gamer to another gamer, dont count out indies
xtremeimport  +   186d ago
Yeah..

Games with gold doesn't even touch Ps+
If you have it, you know its amazing. If you dont...you probably talk shit because you want it.

anyone who complains about the discounts and free games as being a "well you still have to pay $50 for it and the free games arent even yours."

thats $10 less than xbl and within the first month you actually make that back. Ps+ is an investment that actually pays off.
borderlands 2, bioshock:infinite, DMC, grid2, uncharted, xcom. and thats just a few.
H0RSE  +   185d ago
Of all the games released with GWG, there's a bunch I haven't played, and not just arcade titles. Many argue that the games they offer are "old" or "poor quality," like only new games are worth playing. The fact is, the core audience is likely to have played all the big releases they were interested in, regardless of their age or budget.

I don't care how old the games are if they are AAA releases or arcade titles - I care that they offer me games I actually want to play, that I haven't experienced yet, and they have offered a quite a bunch that meet those requirements, and I'm not rushed to play them, since they are mine to keep.

Would it be nice if every single game offered was one that I was really interested in? Yes, but my mindset is, they're free games and I'm not going to complain or demand that they offer me better free stuff - they don't have to offer me anything. I have a gamefly account, which is essentially what PS+ has with it's games, so I'm not interested in a format like that. I like getting games I can keep and play without a subscription, so I can rent any game I want with Gamefly, while building a collection of games to play on my 360, and later,my X1.
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yesmynameissumo  +   185d ago
That's "shattering"? Granted, PS+ had shit titles it's first 8-10 months, but that has turned around in a big way. Give MS time (and assume they are willing to do it) and Games for Gold should step it up too.
dedicatedtogamers  +   186d ago
There is nothing - nothing at all - bad about PS+ encouraging Gold to raise its level of quality content. And if we're comparing the free GwG to PS+, the first year of PS+ was pretty sparse, too. It's only fair to let GwG a chance to get rolling with its own set of free games.

That said, I think the big advantage PS+ has over GwG is that Sony is able to offer discounts, not just free games. Do Gold members get discounts on games (even brand-new games) just because they're Gold members? Genuine question. That would be the next step. Additionally, Sony has more platforms and a bigger back-catalog. I've gotten PS3, Vita, PSP, PSN, and PS1 games for free or with a big discount with PS+. If you've bought into the "Sony ecosystem" and you own multiple Sony platforms, there's a ton of games that you get for free. Right now, GwG is only offering free "retail" (although they're digital) 360 games (? Again, genuine question).

EDIT: Anyone know the answer to my two questions? Do Gold members also get discounts for being Gold? And are their XBLA games or other non-retail games being offered by GwG?
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Lukas_Japonicus  +   186d ago
"There is nothing - nothing at all - bad about PS+ encouraging Gold to raise its level of quality content"

Yep, it's win win, PS users carry on getting great value, Xbox users get better and better offerings due to MS wanting to compete with PS plus.

I don't think non-PS3 owners understand just how great PS plus is, the moment you go to the PS store and see the 'instant game collection' section it's like... http://memecrunch.com/meme/...
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Neonridr  +   186d ago
I can't begin to fully appreciate PS+ yet as I am only a PS4 owner so I am missing out on the PS3 and Vita games.

That being said, Resogun, Contrast, Don't Starve and Outlast isn't too bad of a start either.

Ultimately neither of these companies are obligated to give us anything for free, so the fact that Sony (and even MS - though less generous) is giving us these games speaks volumes of the company.
il-JumperMT  +   186d ago
I'm PS3 + PS Vita + PS4 Owner.

I get free games on 3 platforms with 1 PS Plus Subcription

I actually have too much games to play!
beerzombie  +   186d ago
Could bad if gamers don't buy games because of the great service. This could hurt small developers trying earn money selling games.
Arkardo  +   186d ago
@il-JumperMt

Im actually on the same boat as you! I have vita-ps3-ps4 and i can't play everything they throw at me!

It's amazing at least i download every game and cancel it so it stays in my downloads list ... pheeewww
xJumpManx  +   186d ago
Now if Sony would improve their server reliability and infrastructure. Ps+ is good for the free games and xbox live is still the better server and infrastructure for online gaming. They both need to take ques from the other.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   186d ago
@jumpman

" xbox live is still the better server and infrastructure for online gaming"

I used Xbox live for years, and while i haven't used PSN as long as i have XBL, ive never had any problems with either. Each service has been exactly the same for me when it comes to multiplayer.....not so sure why everyone always says xbox live is "better".
JohnnyTower  +   186d ago
Ive never had a discount for being a member, but they do have monthly deals on XBL. Their GwG offerings have ranged from XBL games to full retail games. But the retail games are usually dusted off oldies that people have played up and down.
Im no hater, but it is what it is....
I hope that they can do the same with X1 in the near future as well because their GwG is severely lacking.
dedicatedtogamers  +   186d ago
Thank for for the answer to both of my questions.

So you get deals, but it's not like "15% off this game, but 30% off the same game if you're Gold", correct?
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JohnnyTower  +   186d ago
@dedicated
Yep, that's about right. Same discount whether you are a Gold Member or not.
BoriboyShoGUN  +   186d ago
No dude the Xbox deals are terrible!!! it will be like save 50% on some old useless trash!!!

****Best decision I made was to keep my PS3 around, the past two months have been awesome! GRID 2, Borderlands 2, Devil May Cry, and Bio shock Infinite!
Bzone24  +   186d ago
Must be that you haven't taken advantage of them then. Xbox has deals every week that are exclusive to Xbox Live Gold members.
Cueil  +   186d ago
Clearly you have no idea wtf is going on in the marketplace...
Shinymasonite  +   186d ago
Correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am) but didn't ps + only offer discounts and avatars at first?
GryestOfBluSkies  +   186d ago
it offered games too. wipeout hd was one of the first games on ps+
Jeebus  +   186d ago
They added a handful of other features, and did some (pretty average and forgettable) games for free.

But honestly, after the PSN downtime they struck with a vengeance with plus.
Shinymasonite  +   186d ago
Ok. I just remember initially not seeing any point in the service when it started with ps3 online being free.
Rainstorm81  +   186d ago
Heres the first year offerings of PS+ remember it started after their 2012 E3 presser.

http://cdn2-www.playstation...

While it did offer discounts and avatars Infamous 2 and LBP 2 was there day 1....the first three columns are just June 2012!!

Actually looking at this list Im glad i got PS+ day 1 i can always go back and redownload any of these games.....I said it before and ill say it again PS+ is Sony's ace in the hole, once it gets mainstream popularity of whats offered skys the limit
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Volkama  +   186d ago
Yes, gold also gets sales on games. Don't know if they compare to the PSN discounts or not, haven't really done any comparisons.

Microsoft's "problem" with gold is they're selling this big behind the scenes infrastructure, and benefits to that are nowhere near as tangible as Sony's instant game collection.

So now Microsoft have to offer games on top of what they had. It really is probably the single best example I can think of to show competition can lead to nice things.
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BoriboyShoGUN  +   186d ago
The first thing I noticed years ago on the 360. Was that all the games that were 400 points slowly vanished. Now everything is 800 minimum and even mediocre games they're asking $15 for now.
Gozer  +   186d ago
They run discounts on games for gold members pretty much weekly.Here is a link to this weeks deals just as proof.
http://majornelson.com/2014...

This past GWG was ok, Sleeping Dogs and Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light. Both good games.
BoriboyShoGUN  +   186d ago
Yeah Gozer thats now, after PS+ has been wiping the floor with them for a while now. If they keep offering games of that value good on them its about time. Because the previous games were just embarrassing and made Xbox look even worse.
il-JumperMT  +   186d ago
Both Sleeping Dogs and Lara Croft the Guardain of Light have been on PS Plus nearly a year ago
zerog  +   186d ago
Sleeping dogs has already been free on plus a while back, my brother downloaded it.
SonyAddict  +   186d ago
Dude I played guardian of light a long long time ago on PS plus!.
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NoLongerHereCBA  +   185d ago
That it has been on PS+ before doesn't make it a bad thing for GWG now. The games don't instantly become less fun people.
jacksons98  +   186d ago
The first year of PS+ was valued at around $1800, not "sparse" at all
http://www.gamerevolution.c...
Mystogan  +   186d ago
Gold members also get discounts. On both DLC and Games. And also movies.
MRMagoo123  +   186d ago
Like i said above tho, surely with MS' infinite cash as xbox fanboys say MS has, they could buy any games at all to give away for free, i mean they basically bought everyone a copy of fifa for the xbone, yet they cant afford any games that arent pretty much retro now to give away on gold ?? seems odd to me.
JasonKCK  +   186d ago
"Anyone know the answer to my two questions? Do Gold members also get discounts for being Gold?"

Yes
ion53  +   186d ago
PS+ also gives you discounts on games and stuff....
JasonKCK  +   185d ago
"Do Gold members also get discounts for being Gold?"

Keyword in that is "also" so stop being defensive. His question was about Live, not PSN.
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Mikelarry  +   186d ago
Cool hopefully they can stop offering the really, REALLY old games (crackdown i mean are you serious, although it was a good game back in its day) ill go out on a limb and say i am not alone in thinking noone ever looks forward to the games with gold offering.
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SpiralTear  +   186d ago
You're not. Some newer titles for Games with Gold would be fantastic, especially if they're exclusives.
TheoreticalParticle  +   186d ago
I look forward to it, I just haven't ever really been all that thrilled by it. Some of the XBLA games have been decent time killers, though.
Kingthrash360  +   186d ago
yeah and the felt good about halo 3 and ac2...smh they might give out fable 2 this year.
Mikelarry  +   186d ago
fable two now your just reaching.. take kameo or nothing for you :)

@ below: i wasn't talking about the quality of the game more about how old the game was side note i really enjoyed Kameo
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GusBricker  +   186d ago
Bite your tongue! Kameo rocks!
snookiegamer  +   186d ago
Are there any free games offered to Xbox One owners too, or just Xbox 360?

*Edit

Instead of hitting the disagree, it would be more helpful if you could just answer the question?

So, I take it that's a No then?
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Volkama  +   186d ago
Nothing yet. Supposedly it will be extended to the One in some form during 2014.

By "in some form" I expect they mean "technically rentals, inline with Sony".
snookiegamer  +   186d ago
Thank You Volkama....

I only ask because MS need 360 owners to migrate to Xbox One, and gain some new customers too...so one would think that Xbox One Games With Gold would be the focus. If it's happening this year, then that's a good thing :)
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WeAreLegion  +   186d ago
Major Nelson just released a video response:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
djplonker  +   186d ago
ps plus February

bioshock infinite

metro last light

outlast

lbp karting

dynasty warriors next

Good luck trying to keep up ms all this for less than a month of gold...
SpideySpeakz  +   186d ago
Damn, does are some very good deals.
MysticStrummer  +   186d ago
Nice. I should have my new TV before the Superbowl, and a PS4 as soon after that as possible. I'll be playing Bioshock, Metro, Outlast, and maybe even LBP Karting from that list. That's some serious value there. MS will have to step it up in a major way to compete with PS+.
NoLongerHereCBA  +   186d ago
Those are really good deals, but i'm also really happy with this months GWG games; Sleeping dogs and Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light. Didn't have any of those and really wanted to play them sometimes.
FunAndGun  +   186d ago
We actually got both those titles from Plus as well. Guardian of Light is pretty good and much better if you play with a co-op partner.
NoLongerHereCBA  +   186d ago
Why in the hell do I get disagrees? Stupid Sony fan boys should stop disagreeing whenever someone says something positive that is related to MS/Xbox. This is ridiculous.

I really wanted to play sleeping dogs sometime and the Lara Croft game is something I know my girlfriend will also enjoy.
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FunAndGun  +   185d ago
Idk, I agreed with you btw.
BabyTownFrolics  +   185d ago
If you didn't want to get raped you should not have dressed so sexy
JasonKCK  +   186d ago
1: the free games on Live and PSN are not free because a subscription is required.

2: Xbox Live members do actually get to keep the games even after they stop paying for Live.

3: the games on Live are very old.

4: Games on PSN are much newer and there are a lot more, but you do not get to keep them.

5: Steam has more free games than both of these services combined, and it's free.
MASTER_RAIDEN  +   186d ago
one of the things ive always found surprising about ps+ is the fact that they do indeed hand out some pretty hot titles free of charge to plus members. i thought microsoft would folow a similar path with the xbox one but the last i heard of it, they were giving away assassins creed 2 or something.

doesnt seem like MS is too focused on bringing high quality content to gaming with gold. i mean i would seriously guess a game like crackdown would have a few thousand downloads at most.
maniacmayhem  +   186d ago
Sleeping Dogs was a good start but yea they need to step it up. I almost fell out my chair when PS+ offered Kingdoms of Amular, that game is rock solid.

Those are the types of games MS needs to offer with Gold. I think last month was some Arcade Contra-type title...wtf? It was horrible.

Granted that GwG JUST started but still, bring on some way better games.
DigitalRaptor  +   185d ago
Indeed Sleeping Dogs was good, but Microsoft CAN afford to cut these deals for more recent games that perhaps their userbase hasn't played.

So what they need to do is offer new games as well as recent games as well as old games if they want GwG to be anything of worth. Offering Resogun and Contrast and DriveClub and Outlast at their launches is fantastic.
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Necro_559  +   186d ago
Ill tell you why GWG isnt as good.......because you actually get to keep them. Derp....... PS+ is a netflix style rental service without the streaming.
djplonker  +   186d ago
Well since you need ps plus for online play on ps4 I dont care!

Rentals have to be taken back as long as I have ps plus (no reason not to) I can access all my games.

What would you prefer keeping one old or arcade game or the games I listed above?
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jacksons98  +   186d ago
For $50 year I'll be a subscriber for life. I'm already paid up until 2017
Aceman18  +   186d ago
same here Jan 2017, if they run another sale where the cards are $30 i can snatch up 2-3 more and extend it further.
LeCreuset  +   186d ago
Yeah. That is why GWG isn't as good. If you think that's somehow an advantage for MS you are mistaken. For one, Plus is a very enticing service to keep. When I re-up my Plus subscription, the thought doesn't even cross my mind that I need to do it to be able to play the games I got from the IGC. When I re-up that sub, I'm thinking about the future IGC games I'm going to get, the discounts I'm going to get, and other services. Keeping my games doesn't even enter the equation. Then you have to factor in value. If you had a PS+ type service offering you an Xbox One so long as you are a member, and a GWG type service offering you a free original Xbox to keep, which would you choose? Are you going to pass up that XB1 which would have cost you $500 because someone is offering you a free original Xbox you would have never come out of your pocket to pay for anyway?
XiSasukeUchiha  +   186d ago
good to know!
from the beach  +   186d ago
Both services have advantages, GWG is off to a good start though - prompted me to replay Gears for the first time in ages and it's still. so. awesome.

And I think it's funny there's a GWG Team.
Immorals  +   186d ago
Gears has aged really well, not many launch era games can say the same!
SynestheticRoar  +   186d ago
What happen to gold they use to be the best? LOL
Immorals  +   186d ago
Am I the only one that thinks both ps+ and gwg are bad for the industry? Giving away games is not good with developers, especially with ps+ giving away games that are still selling. I like free stuff as much as the next person, but I can't help but feel it's a bad idea..
Twilightx7  +   186d ago
I'm sure the publishers get comparable compensation from Sony/Microsoft - it's really not that much different than Steam sales, you end up selling for cheaper, but at a much higher volume.
Immorals  +   186d ago
Yes but with PC, you don't really have a used game industry.
Twilightx7  +   186d ago
Very true, but hurting the used games industry only hurts companies like GameStop. It could be argued that GameStop is still necessary for the industry in its current state, but PS+ and GWG don't hurt the publisher nearly as much.
FunAndGun  +   186d ago
I don't know, the devs still get compensation plus the exposure.

I would have never played Don't Starve if it wasn't for Plus. Now I have already decided to buy the incoming DLC because I have been addicted to the game.

Also, if there is ever a sequel, I will buy it without question.
LeCreuset  +   186d ago
Yes you are. I'm going to try to put this in a way that isn't insulting. You need to start putting your interests as a consumer above some perception you have of a company's interests. That shouldn't even concern you, but either way you can chillax. I can assure you that they have it covered. Companies are being compensated, both monetarily and in publicity. Do you think it's a coincidence a game like BF3 drops on PS+ right before the fourth game, which EA is hoping will dethrone the more popular COD?
Jdoki  +   186d ago
If it was bad for the industry no publisher would offer the games to Sony.

Here's a few ways I could see Sony giving incentives to publishers in return for free games...
- Publisher makes money off DLC offered alongside the 'free' game
- A monetary kickback for allowing Sony to offer the game
- Publisher earns a percentage of the revenue made from PSN+ subs during the period the game is offered
- Free and more prominent advertising for another of the publishers titles on PSN+ (sold at full price)
- Maybe even a reduction in licensing fees for a future new release

There's loads of ways everyone can benefit.

It seems to be win / win in general. I'm sure the publishers have extremely accurate data for when a title is starting to lose sales, and when it is optimum to offer the game for free on PSN+.

Also, there's the opportunity sales... Someone may not have a PSN+ account but see their buddy playing a 'free' game. They may then either subscribe, or buy the game on budget release.
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Godmars290  +   186d ago
That, means nothing. He literally said noting in regards to the question.
KillerPwned  +   186d ago
I think this is an article that can prove that companies aren't really out to get each other. But to learn from one another to making themselves better and to give more to the consumer for their money. Console wars is BS marketing to get you to buy stuff and argue over pointless things.

I really see Xbox taking in PS+ for an example as the service they are and making their own GwG better. Think about a lot of the innovative things different consoles have now. Past generations spanning through all different kinds of companies help fuel these ideas.
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LeCreuset  +   186d ago
Console wars aren't BS marketing. This, too, is part of the console war. Console wars are what people make of them. They can raise the standard. They can lower the standard. Consumers make a console war productive to the consumer when they don't just effectively become unpaid mouthpieces for a gaming company who will agree with that company no matter what. If something on the competing product makes me jealous, I'm going to say, "Bring that over here." If enough things on the competing product make me jealous, I'm going to buy that product. Either way, that's sending a message to the company I'm currently patronizing to up their game.
BX81  +   186d ago
I prefer Xbox live to psn but psn craps on Xbox live when it comes to free games. Most of the free psn games I've finished but they are better games that are offered. Props to Sony for that.
MAULxx  +   186d ago
Brothers, really? Brothers, DMC & Bioshock Infinite & that's just this month. MS isn't ever going to match anything unless there's piles of money they can gain by doing it.
It's just funny that he only mentioned Brothers.
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Belking  +   186d ago
One is a rental service and the other actually gets free games you can keep forever. I'll go with the latter. IMO xbl is still the best service. Without that there would be no psn or ps plus. Fact. Remember sony is the one that said no one wants to play online....lol
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FunAndGun  +   186d ago
So could we say without Playstation there would be no Xbox?
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Jdoki  +   186d ago
That's your preference Belking, but seems a bit short sighted.

You subscribe to Gold and get old games you are liklely to have played, but you can keep em

Or

You subscribe to PSN+ and get nearly news games that are yours for the duration of your subscription.

Considering how many Xbox owners have been shouting for years that they were Day 1 Gold subscribers and intend to keep subscribing forever as the service is so good - how is that really different from 'owning' the game.

I subscribed to PSN+ long before the free games were offered. This is just an awesome perk. And if I decide to unsubscribe (not likely) I'll ensure I'm done playing the games. Also, the games are not 'gone' they reappear if you later resubscribe.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   186d ago
Omg......your delusion knows no bounds. PS plus BLOWS games with gold out of the water. Don't even try to fool yourself into thinking games with gold is better.

I'd rather rent Bioshock Infinite and Metro Last light than keep Halo 3 and Rainbow Six Vegas..........Do you not see how stupid your comment sounds when comparing such games?

And neither games are free, if you don't pay for gold or plus, you don't get any games, so don't act like MS is doing any favours with those old as dirt games.

" IMO xbl is still the best service. "

It's really not. As a user of both, i can tell that for a fact. You hardly get ANYTHING for your sub on XBL, the odd demo every now and again....the "privileged" to join parties and play online......when i first bought PS plus earlier this year i was blown away by the games you get for your sub.

I know you are incredibly biased and ignorant....but there's no way you actually believe that games with gold is the better service....there's just no way.
DigitalRaptor  +   185d ago
Only a person with delusions of grandeur doesn't think PS+ offers better value.

In YOUR opinion, XBL is the best service. In REALITY, PSN has much improved and now offers features that are leaps and bounds better than XBL, for gaming of all things. And your claim that without XBL there would be no PSN or PS+....

*EPIC FACEPALM*

PSN was established in July 2001 on PS2. Xbox Live launched in November 2002. Over 1 year later.

and there was nothing like PS+ before it, and there still isn't anything that matches it, not Games with Gold (giving you old games that you're already played or own), not anything. The closest thing of comparable value is Steam and its many sales - but that is completely different.

You could better say that without Sony or Nintendo, there would be no Xbox.

Asking you to do your research and use logic is a fruitless venture.
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corvusmd  +   186d ago
All he'd have to say if he wanted to be a jerk is "we actually upgraded our network, not just charging for the same crap"
djplonker  +   186d ago
You clearly havent been on psn in awhile it just as good if not better than xbl!
Skankinruby  +   186d ago
Please enlighten the rest of us ignorant people. Why is Xbox live better than ps plus? Im dying to know lol
DigitalRaptor  +   185d ago
Awww corvusmd - your diatribe is cute. Because you make delusional claims and don't actually EVER back them up with facts or logic.

Keep trying champ.

@ Skankinruby

He can't justify anything - in fact Xbox fanboys can no longer provide any validity to their claims that PSN is a turd and XBL is better. They try and laugh and claim to that to downplay the fact that PSN and XBL are level pegging, with both edging each other out in certain regards (with Sony having the better GAMING features).
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Flames76  +   186d ago
Xbox Live is better than Playstation plus with Xbox Live the free games are yours and any other content you get.With Playstation plus its only yours if you keep paying sony a monthly fee to play it
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thebudgetgamer  +   186d ago
For me those games are just icing on the cake, within the first three moths the money I save on discounts by far makes up the cost of the subsription.
FunAndGun  +   186d ago
Well, considering I have had Plus since day one and plan on having Plus through the console life of PS4, that fact doesn't change anything for me.

I would prefer to get many more and current games to play with my rentals. I have probably 150+ games from my Plus subscription and I can still play them all.

Besides, how often are you going to go back and play the majority of the titles we both get; rental or to keep?
jacksons98  +   186d ago
Playstation Plus first year benefit $1800 in value.. Xbox value... "here is a free game you could buy at Gamestop for $4"
JasonKCK  +   186d ago
That $1800 figment of your imagination is not yours to keep.
heisenberguk  +   186d ago
Yes we're WELL aware how ps plus works thanks, that's why we have it!
Farmassy  +   186d ago
I just have to say that Shadowrun would be a great games with gold game. If you haven't played it you should definitely give it a try. It is one of my favorite FPS ever made. Just when you think you have figured everything out, you realize that there is even more that you can do (gust gliding, double teleporting). I sold my Xbox 360 when I got my X1 and my only regret is that I can't play shadowrun anymore. What a great game. It takes skill to be good at that.

If it went to games with gold and became popular, it would be great to get a second one.
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Letthewookiewin  +   186d ago
I don't know why they even bother.
LogicStomper  +   186d ago
Who's side are you on? Microsoft, Sony or the consumers?
cell989  +   186d ago
Phill is the only guy I dont dislike at Microsoft, at least he doesnt come off as an arrogant prick like the rest
LeCreuset  +   186d ago
Listen. It's really simple. It has nothing to do with GWG just starting. Live Gold has been around longer than PS+. The monetary infrastructure is already there for Gold. The free games you got with PS+ in the beginning are lacking compared to what you get with the IGC now, not because they were just starting up (though at least in their case they didn't already have a pool of money from previous years' subs), but because Sony didn't really dive head first onto this IGC thing until after the PSN hack. People love to bring up that hack, without mentioning the steps Sony took to not only correct it, but make up for it. The IGC you see now is one of those steps.

MS needs to change their business model. Trying to trump PS+ by offering free games doesn't work because free games cost MS more to provide, so they can only give an okay title once in a blue moon and a bunch of stuff no one wants. The selling point is that you get to keep it—that stuff that you don't want. They need to just adopt the PS+ model, which will allow them to offer relevant content on a consistent basis. Where's the harm? People are going to make Xbox 180 jokes? That already happens, so this is the perfect time to do it.
FanboyKilla  +   186d ago
Lol maybe sony should stop giving away free shi!. Might help them avoid bankruptcy. Dont stop though, i love free shi!. And i dont care if you go bankrupt. Xbox your free games are shi!, they deserve to be free, hell i dont even want them smh.
LogicStomper  +   186d ago
That username doesn't suit you.
GiantEnemyCrab  +   186d ago
And not a single Xbox One XBL gold game. While I've already gotten 3 from Sony for the PS4. I guess you can call KI, one character a "free" XB1 game but that is pushing it. MS are just tight asses when it comes to giving things away. They love their dimes and nickels.
zerog  +   186d ago
No matter which console you have who would buy one of these services for just a month or two? Honestly who's going to just cancel their subscription? Do you plan to cancel gold after you get your $8 in free games? I doubt it, if that was the case just go to gamestop and buy them used it would still be cheaper then a year of gold for the games it offers. Not to mention anything you buy on plus at a discount you get to keep forever regardless if you keep your subscription, its only the free games you wont be able to access without it. And for those fanboys saying plus is just the netflix of gaming, no that's called playstation now and coming this summer. Just one more thing xbl wont have.
heisenberguk  +   186d ago
"That's awesome phil, cheers" What are they thanking him for? hahaha
Popoffboy187718  +   186d ago
XBOX LIVE IS MYSPACE>PSN IS FACEBOOK. NOBODY KNEW FACEBOOK WAS GOING TO OVER TAKE MYSPACE WHEN MYSPACE WAS popular !!!!
LogicStomper  +   186d ago
Firstly, online services and social media sites are not the same. So Xbox Live is not My Space and PSN is not Facebook.

Secondly, what difference does it make if one has just overtaken the other?

Thridly, you either need to fix your keyboard or buy a new one.
TheUndertaker85  +   185d ago
MySpace and Facebook also didn't start off as the entities they are now. Just saying.

Facebook wasn't originally created to be a gateway to gaming but here we are.

MySpace also gained its presence due to the many ways you used to be able to customize your profile that other social sites didn't offer. This isn't necessarily the case now.

PSN and XBL both could very well become the next Facebook or MySpace for gamers. Many aspects of social networking are already there with both even from messaging, friends lists, trophies/achievements, video messaging, sharing, and so on.
LogicStomper  +   185d ago
"Facebook wasn't originally created to be a gateway to gaming but here we are. "

Facebook is a social network site.
PSN is a online gaming service.

Sony may be implementing social networking services into PSN but PSN is not a social network site. That was the first point I was driving.
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