Microsoft: "Having great internal studios is absolutely part of the plan"
Ok then plan should work hopefully
Stop planning. Start showing. Buying any console based on "potential" and "plans" is a terrible mistake, especially if it is from a company that has a long-running track-record of failing to deliver on said plans/potential (and that applies to MS as a whole, not just the XBox division).
You do realize buying ANY of the next gen consoles is doing that... right?
"Buying any console based on "potential" and "plans" is a terrible mistake" correct, and people who bought vita and wii-u are finding out the hard way. And its funny you brought up the long-running track record of failure to deliver on said plans... Does Home ring a bell? It should because it fits perfectly what you described. MS is worth over 300 billion and the other console maker used to be worth over 100 billion but now is only worth 20 billion. Now which one do you think failed to deliver more. Do the math.
@ Belking Are you okay, seriously? Not much of that made any sense or drew any logical conclusions. "correct, and people who bought vita and wii-u are finding out the hard way." Both have great games, but I agree the potential is a bit underfed. Vita's potential as a game device was just amplified by PS4's release and the PS Now service, but it needs more first party software for sure. Wii U has some great upcoming software, as well as some pretty cool games so far. Both are selling though - just not as well as the competition. ------ "Does Home ring a bell?" Home WAS a success, it made them loads of money. At its peak it had 19 million active users. It had lots of diverse and interesting ideas going for it, and helped a lot of independent creators gain ground in development. ------- "MS is worth over 300 billion and the other console maker used to be worth over 100 billion but now is only worth 20 billion. Now which one do you think failed to deliver more." How does a difference in worth connect with what they are delivering. The financial math doesn't relate at all to who has built a better next-gen gaming console, and who is offering better and fairer services. And "only" 20 billion? Only? Are you high or just somewhat concussed?
@ Fireseed "You do realize buying ANY of the next gen consoles is doing that... right?" Which is why I said "Buying any console based on "potential" and "plans" is a terrible mistake". FWIW I do not own either a PS4 nor a Wii-U nor a X1. I own a 3DS and Vita, both of which were purchased a full year after they launched once they had enough games I wanted. If you must know, I'll likely get a Wii-U in a few months (there are enough games out on it, plus enough confirmed games coming out to justify it) and a PS4 this holiday or perhaps next spring 2015. # Belking "correct, and people who bought vita and wii-u are finding out the hard way" Sony Too™ Nintendo Too™, amirite?
@Belking Well certain companies have a track record of delivering features and games. And there would be no reason to doubt those companies history.
The fact that you have so many buddies shows the bias and Ps4 fan boyism of this site. Microsoft is bringing the games, I love it. Ps you say don't talk show action, we'll XB1 has a better 2014 lineup than the so called console for gamers.
@truefan1 buddies? He probably has multiple accounts. Typical dedicatedtogamers xbox trolling. Moving on.
@DigitalRaptor Ignore that Belking, he is clearly a lifeless xbot. Got similar idiotic comment from him on another comment while I am just taking non console matter and he attempt to freaking start a console war. He is an idiot. His bubble clearly tells you that. On a side note, I hope M$ dont just talk and actually deliver. Back in 360 days they basically drop the ball after the first few years. On the other hand Sony kinda build up. In fact Sony now has the biggest internal studio and that got to thank M$ during the last generation. If M$ is really working on this now, seems like they are playing catch up game this generation in this department. Especially when they close a couple of their studio during last gen. Though Sony did close a few of theirs too, but they still got way bigger than what M$ have at the end of the day.
@truefan1 I think better games is a very subjective matter. What you think best does not represent best for others. Standing from the neutral POV I can tell you that Sony fans will obviously tell you they have better games. And from your comment I can tell you are clearly MS fan, and of cuz you will think MS have better line up. As for me I would give it at least 2 years to monitor MS. Because it is fact that they did drop the ball in 360 era. Being one with most exclusive to the one with the least exclusives at the end of the generation. No matter how you wanna debate this is already a fact. Not siding on Sony either, who knows they may drop the ball this time around. But the least at the beginning I do have more faith in them due to their track record. And consider how much bigger their internal studio are compared to what M$ has atm. We can debate again 2 years later. That is when you will see the true color of each camp.
@ truefan1 Looks like Xbox fanboys are past the point of caring about debating anymore. So it resorts to talking about the bias of an entire site, to downplay any facts or logic that flies around these parts. You have proven yourself to be a PS4-hating, Xbox fanboy yourself, so why do you really care so much that this is a Sony haven? or is that a silly question? Ask yourself... has Sony done anything to make people immensely dislike them in the past year or so? Ask yourself, has Microsoft done the same thing in the past year? In the past week? The majority of level-headed gamers will give you the correct answer to those. After what we've evidenced with them dropping support 2 generations running, especially the generation just gone, with them thinning out of the X360's core exclusives to make way for Kinect games that weren't made for you or me - doubting MS in this field is perfectly reasonable. They've given us reason to doubt where their focus lies in the long-term, for years. Just lose the whole "everyone who criticises MS is a fanboy" lark. -------- "XB1 has a better 2014 lineup than the so called console for gamers." I love this 'so called console for gamers' as if it actually means anything, other than being used out of spite and ignorance - when the established facts are that Sony is treating developers better, gamers and consumers better, PS4 has a wider range of games from AAA to indie to free-to-play to MMOs to Japanese games, and more games in development from 1st, 2nd and 3rd party devs combined. It also has the fairer and better services for gamers, with more gaming-related features, and more games currently out. Regardless of your misplaced irony, roughly half of Xbone's 2014 lineup that you guys keep going on about, is unconfirmed for 2014. So how can it be better? How can it be better when there are less games, and a less diverse selection than what will be on the PS4 by the end of 2014? You call the Xbone lineup superior, and completely ignore that PS4 has loads more games announced and coming out, with still a ton more under wraps.
@truefan OK! Better line up. So, write the exclusives for Kinect and indies in 2014. I know that Microsoft prepare some Kinect and indie games for 2014.
For the past few months Phil's been commenting on stuff, and I get the feeling he is just telling people what they want to hear. He said this comment, but the fact is, MS closed down so many of their internal studios last gen. Also, I can understand why he felt he had to say this, but really, MS' internal studios are actually kinda crap. Bungie and Rare were the only good ones they had, and Rare is a shell of it's former self, and Bungie went third party. 343 are good (but many would argue Halo 4 was not the best), but every other studio has yet to prove themselves.
You can tell MS is focused on great games and off to a wonderful start And they have some talented studios already 343, Press Play, Lionhead, Rare Launch was good and this year looks even bigger 2014 will see the release of Quantum Break, Halo 5, Fable Legends, D4, Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, Project Spark
Half of the games you mentioned are made by external studios...
Good mention. And roughly half of them aren't even confirmed for 2014, at least not in their full retail form.
Because idk maybe i moved on from internal studios to launch games and future titles?? @DigitalRaptor the keyword here is research man every game i listed has been confirmed by MS or the studio making the game Microsoft is bringing the exclusives
Great games as the last 3 years of the 360 life cycle? http://www.gamepur.com/news...
-Use Rareware to their full potential. Stop cancelling their games -Should have never closed Fasa Studio and sold the rights to Mechassault,Crimson Skies, Shadowrun
If most of the staff that made rareware fantastic back in the day were still their I would agree with that comment.
Considering the talent (or lack) of the current Rare, I'd say Microsoft is right in keeping them do Avatar...things...
Wow, this Microsoft plan got shot down http://www.theguardian.com/...
Not seeing the fruits of this plan yet.
Perhaps that's because most developers are still making there games perhaps? Its only been 2 months!
@Hicken I agree. Show some screens, gameplay, or even give a tech demo. This is one of the reason why I have not picked up a X1. If you are going to charge $500 for a console then you better show me some kick A$$ games. I was a 360 owner day one, but I refuse to support M$ at $500 with nothing more than multiplats. I can get that on PS4 for cheaper.
To be fair Sony have not exactly been rushing to show us first party titles either. Lets wait for e3 and I feel both woll show some good stuff.
They've shown as many first party projects as Microsoft, and definitely talked about more. Microsoft hasn't said much about too many things, particularly stuff we didn't already know of last year.
Thankfully they are letting them do their own things. Rare in talks to do something different. Lionhead today confirming they are definitely doing something different. And building for the future too with fantastic things like Project Spark from Team Dakota or Lift supposedly making 4+ AAA cloud based games. Whilst they may be behind they certainly aren't planning on letting their lead go easily.
I would like to see Lionhead make another Black and White game. I may even get an X1 if they did... Lionhead is a great studio.
I'm so sick or PR reps for companies. I would rather see the games and not read the talk.
I think that's how all of us feel. Unfortunately E3 seems to be the only time we will see something soon.
Seems like MS is blowing all smoke because they still lack the internal studios to produce great games. Sony is the only company I hear about creating new studios and adding more teams to them, while MS losses them and Nintendo hasn't done anything with theirs besides the same rehashes since 2000. At the end of the day MS released the XB1 with all third party exclusives besides Forza. Their next big title Titan Fall which is semi-exclusive is also third party. Those studios probably wont be making exclusives for them again next game they make so at the end of the day you have less great games being developed just for xbox gamers. Means first 2 years good titles come out then next 4 baron wasteland ie. Xb360.
MS needs to have great software to make up for their hardware, similar to what the PS2 did to MS Xbox. MS did dropped the ball on their hardware and software a bit, its not an huge drop but they caught coping their competitors (Cough Nintendo) and forgot about what made their console great (Kinect is not needed). I will give kudos to MS controller batter life, had my unit almost a month and only changed my rechargeable eneloop batteries ounce per controller since 12/26/2013.
Good . Ever since Don Mattrick left, the entire xbox team have been going in the right direction. Phil Spencer, Phil Harisson and Chris Charla have been doing really good and i commend their efforts. I totally agree with Phils comments, im certain we will get to see some really awesome stuff from ms studios this gen.
Isn't it funny how Phil Spencer has really come to the fore since Mattrick's departure? I agree that he's much better at saying what gamers want to hear.
Don was too old school.
I know what you mean, but he was arguably moving well in advance of what many wanted at the time and probably what technology would allow..
Good luck M$FT trying to beat Sony's 1st parties...Don't "Rare" em'
Nintendo's strength is (and Sega's was too) those internal studios; Sony previously bought exclusives but now buys and develops studios; Microsoft previously bought studios but now tends to buy games and build relationships. Generally speaking. Each company seems to have its own way..
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