Nope! Nintendo isn't about to release a new console, and it's likely they're not even planning a new console at this stage, unless it's a Wii U or 3DS with a slightly revised form factor.
If they aren't even planning a new console now then they are in trouble. Pretty sure MS and Sony have already started planning theirs.
Of course they're working on a new console already. That's generally how it works. One console down, start R&D on the next.
Exactly. Major R&D for the next system always starts almost immediately. And they would be stupid to succeed or sidestep their hardware already. They have to make back their money with current hardware or else investors will abandon them. Even if they did release an Android tablet (as per the rumors) successfully and without taking away from the 3DS, they would make themselves look weak; like they were waving the white flag to all of the doom speak.
Wii development started practically after GameCube's launch, Wii U development started almost immediately after the Wii's launch. It's pretty obvious that Nintendo it's developing Wii U's successor.
ms and sony should worry about droppin some games before they start a new console.
I agree. But they need to do something. I think they need to drop the gamepad screen. No one is using it in very innovative ways anyway. But cutting the cost of the screen and putting a pro controller with it instead. They could drop the price then, maybe even down to 199. Id buy one for that price for sure, just for nintendo's first party games even. They still make incredibly fun 1st party games. Just a thought.
This. None of the games I'm looking forward to are likely to be greatly enhanced by a touch screen. Maybe also release a Pro controller that has some personality instead of everything on it being just one colour, not to mention a fingerprint magnet.
Your alone thier. I bough tthe Wii U over the other console specifically for the gamepad. Its also hardwired into the requirements for modes games on the console. Dropping it would be like Sony dropping the Cell from the PS3.
Nope. While it's true that the gamepad has been largedly neglected in the majority of Wii U games to date, it's also the sole reason something like Miiverse is possible. And Miiverse is a BIG card on the Wii U; probably much bigger than most people realize (especially people without a Wii U console to check it out themselves). I honestly don't need every single Wii U game to be as unique as Nintendoland or Zombi U; and I actually don't expect that from multiplatform games (changing the way your game plays only to accomodate a single console doesn't make much sense); however, Nintendo themselves SHOULD make more games that use the Gamepad to their favor, even if it's just for small details to improve the game. Zelda Wind Waker HD was a damn good example of this. The Gamepad was actually optional in that game, but it offered a very improved experience when compared to the Gamecube control - something as simple as having the inventory and the map on your second screen eliminates the need to pause, and makes the game flow better. For me, that's quite a noticeable difference when you play. So, no, forget about dropping the Gamepad. However, they can still introduce a new model of the Wii U made with cheaper components, and maybe a smaller and cheaper Gamepad as well. That could help reduce the manufacturing price, thus allowing them to cut the price a bit more; similar to what Sony did with the "ultra slim" PS3 (the disk slot slider is one of the components that make that console significantly cheaper to manufacture).
In the age of upgrading every year (iPhone, iPad) I think Nintendo, and all consoles, should be ready to change on a whim.
The development cycle for most AAA games is 2 years or more and the budget for those games is HUGE. They need a large install base to recupe money invested on those games. so no that will not work
Terrible idea. And people who have the lack of self control and upgrade constantly are also terrible and feeding the problem.
That defeats the entire purpose of console. We already have PC's to serve that function. Consoles are meant to be stable platform made specifically for game and games alone. Sony and Microsfot have twisted that with their media function focus and focus on hardware specs like that makes games better. Super Mario Bros 1 on the NES is still more fun than 90% of the games that release these days.
They're planning one, they just won't release it for another 4 or 5 years.
I think 3-4 years, considering Wii U's performance.
Nah. That would be equivalent to pulling a Sega. They'll let the system run its full 4 to 5 year course before putting out a new one, in order to preserve brand trust. Maybe even 6, depending on whether or not the Wii U recovers sufficiently.
Nintendo would not abandon the Wii U yet, but yes I am sure they are at least at the drawing board with the plans for a new console in about 4-5 years. There are too many 1st party Wii U/3Ds games being developed for them to spread themselves any thinner. Look at Gamecube/Wii/Wii U. They all have their Swansong, albeit Twilight was the Gamecube swan/ it was the same accept the mirror and controls. Skyward was Wii's. They sure as hell are not going to go out of the Wii U business with Smash Bros or Mario Kart. Nintendo also can not afford to release their next home console without a system seller. Even though Skyward was on the Cube, most people who are Zelda fans wanted the Wii version. I like NSMB, but is very similar to what was done on Wii with HD graphics. Not so much a system seller that showed what the Wii U could do. I love Nintendo land, but most people just think of it as mini games, which it kind of is, but way more in depth. Nope Nintendo's next console will need some killer 1st party games, which they should start to develop in the next 3 years, so they can release them on their shiny new console. In the mean time, there are some amazing games out for Wii U and this year Wii U has a killer lineup. I can not wait to see what else Nintendo has coming up, after Smash Bros, Donkey Kong, Bayonetta, Mario Kart, X. As of right now as someone who likes playing games, I am playing more Wii U right now than ever. My PS4 is a dustball right now, till next month, and then some games are coming out that I REALLY WANT.
Hopefully their next console can release with a sequel to X. Considering when X is coming out, and assuming the Wii U has at least 4-5 years left it should be possible to release a sequel at or around their next console's release.
@SolidDuck Can't argue with that...The gamepad screen is a waste, just implement the option to use a tablet with it, if people so desperately want a separate screen for maps... And maps is all 99% of developers have used it for...It really offers nothing in the way of gameplay innovation & never really can, as far as I'm concerned. Even as a map, you have to break your connection with a game, to look down at a bodgy looking controller screen in your lap. Just bite the bullet & cost cut where needed, & getting rid of that expensive, useless screen is needed. I'm sure many will disagree, as they are the ones that already own the system & are that blindly loyal, they either think the inbuilt screen is the 2nd coming of Christ, or it will ONE DAY have great uses for games, then there are just some that paid full price for the machine, & don't want the price to drop that quick, as they feel it will undermine there purchase. Fact is though, that I own a Wii-U Premium, paid full $429Au price for it, but I realize, something has to be done about Nintendo's current state of affairs & fast...So lets get over it all & get machines moving from store shelves...The way to do that, lower the price, & advertise the shit out of it.
Actually redesign the gamepad to save money & put the price down on the console(the gamepad is a bit too big and yes I own a basic white Wii U).
Agree completely. They can also redesign the console itself to make it cheaper to manufacture, allowing them to cut the price on the console a bit more. I actually would love a smaller gamepad (with the screen in the same resolution, of course).
@Adolph ..I totally disagree ...the gamepad is the core of the system and what makes it different from the two other systems ..do you really think by dropping the tablet controller people are gonna want to buy the system more no they wouldn't ....the pro controller is an option so if you don't like the tablet controller buy the pro controller ...also the wii u has only been out a year ...give it some time to develop games for the tablet controller ...zombie u used it well and lego undercover used it well also ... nintendo also said the tablet controller will be uses extensively in Zelda wii u ...also offscreen play is great also if you wanna watch netflix it works great I say keep the tablet controller I love it
This time I didn't say remove the gamepad just make it slimmer or even smaller(keep the 6.2 inch screen). This day and age with the size and power in cell phones today and Nintendo can trim some fat off the controller too save money(look at the ipad mini it's small, powerful, and looks great).
I agree the gamepad is what makes it different. But if it's not being used in different unique ways what's the point. It could still be sold separate for people that want to play off screen. I'm not trying to be harsh and rip on the wii u, but it's not selling well and more importantly losing 3rd party support at a rapid rate. Dropping the gamepad and then being able to drop the price is there best option. It would get more people buying wii u's and therefor increase support. But it's just an opinion, I'm sure Nintendo has a plan.
@solid duck I respect your opinion but just dropping the gamepad and lowering the price isn't gonna have people running to get a wii u ...if the software isn't there .....they just need some 3rd party games and exclusives and advertise the wii u and show what things it can do ..I don't understand why they haven't really advertised the offscreen play ....or the ability to watch netflix while laying in bed while the kids or wife can watch tv at the same time ...them are some of the things wii u needs to advertise ....if they show people what the gamepad is capable of doing people will have a different prospective of what the gamepad can do instead of thinking of it as just a gimmick or an add on for wii
the amount of rumors and doom that is posted on n4g is crazy. i'm just shocked that noone is talking about the game drought xbox one and ps4 are having for the next few months. instead there are 30 posts about nintendo. journalists must not have anything new to play and instead of pointing that out, they would rather make up rumors of new nintendo systems.
"...the gamepad is the core of the system and what makes it different from the two other systems ..do you really think by dropping the tablet controller people are gonna want to buy the system more no they wouldn't" Yet it doesn't define itself as anything different, except a localized handheld if you need a sh1t & are that stupid & desperate as to want to take your controller to the toilet with you. If it was allowing us to do things SOOO much different from the other 2 systems, I believe you would be right, & the screen needed...But, even the best implementation of the screen so far, has been pretty crappy, & does NOTHING to enhance the experience for GAMING. And if Nintendo lowered the price substantially, advertised more hardcore, & attracted some 3rd party games that weren't kiddie oriented, then that would go a long way to helping sales too... It ain't just one thing that has our Wii-U's future outlook, looking bleak...It is a combination of things, & pissing off the screen is just one step Nintendo NEEDS to take to correct the ship. They would be better off developing a brand new HD Wii-U version of Wii Sports, & packaging a pro controller, & Wii Nunchuk into with the system, & remarketing it with use with a standard controller, & the Wii's motion controller...they also need to establish with gamers, both casual & up, that the system works with Wii's games & peripherals....as that would help sales, especially with a really out there, spruced up version of Wii Sports, throw some extreme sports into it, like hand gliding, MMA, & a bunch of other sports that implement well into the motion based thing & it will certainly better chances of sales than some huge arse screen, that makes the controller grossly oversized & overpriced... Even Nintendo knew how dumb the idea was, as they offer us NOWAY to buy a 2nd one, or even replacement from stores... Does anyone know, what does happen if you break your Wii-U controller? Can you contact Nintendo to get a replacement?
@Adolph if second screen play is not a good thing why is playstation and xbox having second screen play with smart glass and android..also they said in the future two game pads will be able to be used be patient the wii u is only a little over a year old it will be out another 3 or 4 years atleast everything can't be done in a year lol ....even developers say that is the future in gaming 2nd screen play ....the second screen also is a great asset instead of pausing your gameplay you just glance at the screen and hit the weapon you need in certain games that's great in itself also I wouldn't call games like splinter cell ,zombi u and deux ex "kiddie " games...I just think they need more 3rd party exclusives ...the wii u is 1 year old and everybody is jumping on the doom bandwagon ...wait and see after their big sellers are released(mario kart,smash ,zelda ) if it doesn't sell then ...you can say wii u is doomed ...wii u issues are lack of advertising and software droughts ...because lets be honest if nintendo was to release smash,mario kart donkey kong tropical fantasy in the next three months would we be having this conversation no ..wii u would be flying off shelves ....if they consistently release software from February on ...the wii u will be ok.... Also what incentive people will have if you give them basically a wii u that is packaged like a wii .....people would not upgraded if it's the same thing wii sports and motion controller ....wouldn't sell people would be like I have a wii already why I need a new wii sports ...no thank you lol
The rumor of gaminrealm was without sources or serious informations. Me too, I could suppose that Sony has started the development of PS5....so what??
Well if the rumors have any truth to them, they would be nothing more then what they are targeting at this point for their next system. Basically a power vs timeframe and plugging in something they feel would do the job based off any knowledge they may have of upcoming tech. 4.6 Tflops and a holographic dvd both would indicate it's a while away. I don't see how this thing would be released before late 2016. If it was released, it would be a mistake. In late 2016, 4.6 TFlops really won't be that much. If we are to believe Nvidia then some sort of Volta card, probably the top end, should have >20 TFlops in it. There has already been videocards in PC's with more raw power then 4.6 TFlops for a year or so. But you could also say the same about PS4/XB1 now. So this isn't a problem, but you'd hope for a bit more. If they could get that sort of power by late 2015, I think they'd be in business. So while it sounds powerful compared to PS4/XB1, it would all depend on when they are planning to release it. 2015 Good. 2016 iffy. 2017-2018...too late. Holographic DVD would be an expensive part to put in early on. So to me I feel this is nothing more then a rumor. Any system with a holographic DVD player in it would have to pump out far more then >4.6 TFlops considering the timeframe where such a disc player wouldn't be $200 by itself. No one wants a system with a $200 disc drive that doesn't add anything, and it wouldn't. You don't need holographic DVD for 4k. That money would be better used on more power. Bluray was all about 1080P, HDTV, and ending 4 DVD games. This is not the case now, and many people's bandwidth is getting up to a point where digital distribution simply isn't much of a headache for digital content and thus adds another reason why right now a new drive isn't needed. They also aren't Sony with movie studio holdings, and even with all those advantages, Sony paid a big price to push Bluray. $599 for PS3. If they really were targeting a Holographic DVD player they should be aiming for 30-50 TFlops type performance, and probably a 2020 release. If they want one sooner, then drop the Holographic DVD player and simply use bluray with something approaching that 4.6 TFlops and do it as soon as possible like 2015-2016. Nintendo simply is not in a good position. They either need to bite the bullet and wait out this generation or put one out quickly that's superior to the PS4 when it's still early in the generation because if it's far enough along it would just trigger Sony and MS to put out their console a couple years earlier. But I don't think waiting is much of an option. There are no good choices for Nintendo. They either sit there and bleed money or risk pissing off the Wii U buyers and release another console faster. It's obvious that those who bought the Wii U is far smaller number then those who aren't....yet buy games and consoles.
I like my Wii U. It's not powerful, but it's capable and while the gamepad isn't very comfortable to me, using the screen in games is great, especially in games like CoD where you could use the pro controller and keep the gamepad in your lap for calling down killstreaks as if they were one controller. But none of it does any good if you can't find matches. They could do an ambassador program, which again isn't a good plan, but remember there is no good plan. The best thing for Nintendo is to get out of the ditch as fast as possible before they become irrelevant. In many minds they already are. Trying to sell this console at the rate they've been selling them for the next few years simply won't work. Now the 4th quarter sales were up a good bit, but that probably won't continue much longer. Zelda bundles and a price drop helped. They have some good stuff up their sleeves, but they are going to need a helluva E3 and promise everything under the Sun and another price drop to maintain any semblance of 4Q'13 sales figures. E3, Zelda, Super Smash Bros, X, Pokemon, Mario Kart and a true 3D Mario is what they have up their sleeve. The sad thing is that there is not going to be many 3rd party games to augment their 1st party offerings. Those that are, will mostly be the same as their competitors last gen offerings. An ambassador program would allow them to move on quickly and not piss of their fans too much. It would cost them alot, but considering how few Wii U's have been sold they wouldn't be taking anywhere near the hit you would think they would. They don't need to ambassador 50 million consoles, but provision for up to 5. For example. If they sold the Nintendo Fusion for $399 and allowed WIi U owners to pick one up for $99, they'd lose $300 per console from the program. Which if I round up to 5 million Wii U's, is really only $1.5 Billion or in the ballpark of what Microsoft took a charge for the RRoD for the 360. In other words, it's not impossible, and Nintendo was sitting on what...$50 billion in cash roughly a couple of years ago? But remember folks not everyone will upgrade, so it really wouldn't even cost them that much. They can take a good portion of what they have and borrow it from the Wii U. The OS, the gamepad, etc. If they are sitting on millions of gamepads this could turn a bunch of sunk cost into something valuable which would discount production of any console that came after. Eventually those gamepads will come down in cost. There are no good solutions. But the way many gamers and publishers are viewing the Wii U and how badly Nintendo has missed it's forecasts, the Wii U is pretty much screwed. I'm sure some great Nintendo games can come out for it, and I'll be buying many of those that do, but it's clear that they risk their brand name if they sit idly by. They could drop the Wii U's price to $150, and I'm sure sales would rise quite a bit, but overall they'd still be bleeding.
I'm not doom and gloom on Nintendo. They have great IP's and are sitting on a ton of cash. But the Wii U simply isn't going to compete with the PS4/XB1. The PS4 has already surpassed the Wii U and the XB1 isn't far behind. Even with all this, there is still the X86 vs Power PC question. Nintendo would probably be better off with switching seeing that they are now the only ones with this additional quirk to game development. If one of the points to the new system is to show game devs they are serious about attracting their support, switching to X86 would be a way to show it. But overall what we've seen is while the Wii U has more power then the 360/PS3 it's not enough to make much of a difference from the DEVS perspective. The 3rd party games are almost always going to be ports from the 360/PS3 which means in essence it'll be on that level, and the 360/PS3's days of receiving ports will probably start ending next year. Games built from the ground up definitely showcase the Wii U's advantage over the 360/PS3, it's just not going to be utilized very often, and when they drop support for the 360/PS3, quite a few will be dropping the Wii U as well. More sales could shift that, but unless it starts selling a ton more, it won't. Even then they have an uphill battle because of the impression they've made on 3rd party devs. From a fan's perspective, and those who buy Nintendo systems for 1st party games, buying mostly 1st party games from 2015-2019 wouldn't be so bad necessarily. Many people buy it for 1st party games. But for Nintendo, a system where you can only flog your own games for those years would be a disaster. It's going to be quite a few years before a gamepad can be made cheap enough to include in a low cost console. But we know now with off the charts support for PS4 which seems to be exceeding the Wii's popularity...without a gimmick and XB1 with all it's problems of 180's and ESRAM, where it too is thrashing the Wii U, that the Wii U as a mainstream console is toast. We know the desire was there for new tech and it is a major thirst, and Wii U simply didn't resonate or tap into that thirst. Sure the Wii sold out with lower production levels so it's impossible to say for certainty if PS4 or Wii had a stronger launch potential, but the PS4 with double or more the production rate is still sold out and had people lining up outside stores over two months after launch. The people have chosen. The Wii U isn't what they want. At $149 they can push more units, which might help with developer support, but all this bashing by devs means that ship has sailed and even a herculean effort to sell more by dropping the price would go unnoticed by many devs. But hey they should ask them what it would take for them to increase support on the Wii U. At this point I think it's too late. Unless they can get to 20-30 million units QUICKLY, 3rd party will evaporate with the 360/PS3. In the minds of the mainstream gamers and devs the Wii U simply doesn't have it. They should have a console ready to launch for when 360/PS3 support is gone. They should fast track a new console early in this generation and ambassador their Wii U owners. Until then pump out your franchises and try to give your Wii U adopters what they want, YOUR games. Nintendo needs 3rd party support. It's power and number of units sold isn't going to attract them and for the most part gamers and devs minds have been made up. There is no way out except a new console.
the gamepad can be sold as a seperate accesory..so why not bundle a wiiU pro and sell it for $199..
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