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Submitted by MariaHelFutura 238d ago | article

Why Is The PS4 Still Out of Stock?

Sony’s PS4 might have launched to great success, but since its November 15th debut the console has received no shortage of criticism. Ironically, people aren’t complaining about the console’s line up of launch titles or its controller – two complaints consoles usually see early on in their release. Instead, the PS4 is being blasted for simply not being available, at all. (Industry, PS4)

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majiebeast  +   238d ago | Well said
Demand>Supply.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   238d ago | Well said
Exactly. There's really no need for any further comments, lol.
Eonjay  +   238d ago
Beginner's economics day 1.
black0o  +   238d ago
I just was at Walmart -steelyard- and ps4 was out of stock tho they had like 10 x1 in stock

IMO Sony is getting ready for JP launch and saving most of the units for that
BattleTorn  +   238d ago
And before anyone says "no it's not" -- YES IS IT. (I have been trying to get my friends theirs ever since I got mine)
nukeitall  +   238d ago
it is out of stock because ps4 is released in freaking 54 regions. That is massive!

Did you know that the sales difference between Xbox One and PS4 at 1 million would be erased if MS only sold 30 thousands units in the 40 or so country PS4 released, and MS would have beaten Sony.

Point being, the difference is minimal!

Demand is certainly high for PS4, but mostly because it is supply constrained so it appears way more in demand. If Sony diverted their units, it would have likely been in overabundance too.

Sony is unable to ship that many units to each region!
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shoddy  +   238d ago
They don't want to rush too many systems due to quality control
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   238d ago | Well said
@nukei

***"it is out of stock because ps4 is released in freaking 54 regions."***

Prior to Sony announcing that they sold 4.2 million worldwide you never ever mentioned the amount of regions contributing to anything. Instead you said that both Sony and Microsoft can only produce so many consoles within a given time so you expected Sony to announce sales that were close to 3 million. I bet the 4.2 mil was a huge shock to you.

***"Did you know that the sales difference between Xbox One and PS4 at 1 million would be erased if MS only sold 30 thousands units in the 40 or so country PS4 released, and MS would have beaten Sony."***

Easier said than done. Remember MS sold in the territories they were strong in and yet aren't leading in most if not all of them.

You are also contradicting yourself with that statement because you sit here saying that supply is constrained for Sony because they can't ship to so many countries, yet if MS sold in more territories they would also be supply constrained as well, taking supply away from the current 13 countries they released in and putting it toward smaller countries that they never outsold Sony in. So the notion that the 1 million lead would be erased if they sold in more countries just isn't likely to be true.

***"Demand is certainly high for PS4, but mostly because it is supply constrained so it appears way more in demand."***

This makes no sense at all. The demand is high for the PS4 mostly because supply it is constrained? It appears to be be way more in demand because it is supply constrained? I never understood the idea of scarcity creating demand for product. If that's the case why don't more companies do it?

This sounds way more accurate to me: The PS4 appears to be in high demand because it is outselling its competitors in the regions they are both released in. The PS4 appears to be "way more in demand" because not only is the PS4 outselling their competitors in the regions they are both released in they are also supply contained(apparently) while their competitors are not.

That sounds way more accurate to me than what you're saying, but you don't want to admit it because you are upset about reality.
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jebabcock  +   238d ago
So.. let me get this straight...

A Sony supply constrained US release is barely behind a well supplied xb1 release.

Sony made a mistake on not providing greater stock in the US but globally has a 1.25mil+ lead in sales because they released to a larger market.

MS has exceeded demand as well as their expectations in the US market and must have seen that as being more favorable than pushing those consoles to other markets and having a wider release. Xb1 released to all their major international markets already. The ones they didnt release to yet were likely because the numbers would have no significant impact.

Sony still has one major market that has the potential for large numbers. Their own back yard.

Sony has pretty much hit or exceeded their projections for ps4 sales thus far despite many claims that it wasnt realistic or possible... there is no reason to think that their claims of large sales to the Japan market is far more realistic then the hopes that the xb1 will some how gain massive ground by releasing to obscure anti ms markets.

The only unknown is that China is on the table... it is too soon to know how things will play out there though and there are no releases planned for any console manufacturers yet.
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sinspirit  +   238d ago
@NukeItAll

Arguments aren't constricted with completely unsupported assumptions. We don't know how many units were allocated to other countries. We do know Microsoft doesn't typically have the same demand as Sony. We do know Sony is currently outselling them in specific countries and total sales are clearly not won by those extra countries but by the bigger regions themselves.

You aren't even good at imitating PR persons. Trying to tell people how supply and demand works? PS4 sells more, while being sold out, while many places still have plenty of XBox One's on the shelf, and that is in the countries both consoles are in. The being sold out factor lessens demand because they can't meet the demand. It doesn't increase it or make it seem increased.
darkride66  +   238d ago
From the people I've spoken with in the Great White North stock has been steadily coming in to the larger retailers but they're either sold out immediately or they're still working through their pre-order lists. I notice on twitter, whenever stock comes in in my city someone will tweet about it and they're snatched up pretty quick. I'm sure supply is constrained as well but it sounds like they've still been steadily coming in, they're just snatched up.
fanboybeatdown  +   238d ago
Why is it still out of stock?
Because it's cheap.
Had it been priced at $500, there would be plenty of stock on shelves.

Don't believe me?
Here's proof:

There are plenty of $500 PS4's for sale on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/of...
Notice that at $500 there is plenty of ps4 stock available.
I have checked the availability of the $500 Ps4 SKUs over several days and there has never been a time where you couldn't buy a ps4 as long as you were willing to fork out $500!

Wow. PS4 in stock, all the time!

In fact, anyone could buy a $500 ps4 RIGHT NOW, because the Ps4 is IN STOCK as long as you are willing to pay the same price as what the competition charges.
lol.

Perhaps the question should be why aren't the $500 ps4 SKUs selling out?
Does that mean the ps4 isn't worth $500 to most people?

Funny how none of the ps4 fanboys ever mention this curious pricing and availability phenomenom... :)
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slapedurmomsace  +   238d ago
@fanboy

People aren't buying $500 PS4's because they'd rather wait then be price gauged.
scott182  +   238d ago
@fanboy

The majority people would much rather buy direct from amazon or another big company than some random dude selling it, regardless of price.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   238d ago
@fanboybeatdown

LMAO are you really being serious?

***"Does that mean the ps4 isn't worth $500 to most people?"***

Does Xbox Ones sitting on shelves mean that the XB1 isn't worth $500 to most people?

Seriously what you are attempting to do is extremely sad... :)

Edit:

I just wanted to shed a bit more light on the 40+ extra territories contributing to the supply being constrained and that had Sony only sold in 13 countries, there would be an overabundance of PS4 sitting on shelves too.

-Lets say Sony sold the same exact amount of consoles as MS did in the 13 countries(which in reality Sony has sold more).

-That would leave 1.2 million out in the wild.

-Lets divide that number by 13. That would leave about 93,000 consoles per country.

93,000 is an overestimation. This number would be a lot less considering that Sony is actually outselling MS in each of the 13 countries so the amount of PS4s in the wild would be less than 1.2 million in reality. Also, obviously places like the US would get more than 93,000 consoles allocated to it while a place like Spain would get a lot less.

In conclusion I'm not so sure that the situation would be any different had Sony only sold in 13 countries.
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ITPython  +   238d ago
@fanboy - lol, so you think the only reason the PS4 is selling better is because of it's price?

You keep telling yourself that, and maybe one day the XB1 will get Sony's games and it will magically receive a hardware upgrade.

But until that special day arrives, you only get a voice activated cable box with a side helping of games @720p.
erathaol  +   238d ago
Rate of Manufacturing each individual aspect, assembling and than shipping can be slow. Its impressive that they already made and sold 4.2 million within time frame of under 2 months.

Japan still hasn't gotten their share.

LOL
fanboybeatdown  +   238d ago
Yeah, so just as I had imagined, I garnered some angry responses and put downs, but none have addressed the issue at hand.

Fact is, you can buy the Ps4 right now. Brand new. Unopened. For exactly the SAME price that 3+ million paid for an XBO in late November and December.

Why are the $500 PS4's sitting on the amazon shelves? Why are gamers not buying them? Is the higher price that much of a detractor?
How come millions of gamers bought the XBO at $500, but PS4's sit on the shelf at $500?

There is no denying that PS4s are available.
All you gotta do is fork out the $500. If the demand>supply, then why are there unsold Ps4 Sku's available on amazon?
It makes no rational sense.

I guess it's safe to say that the PS4 demand>supply only at the $399 pricepoint. As soon as the price is higher, the ps4s sit on the shelves.

The fact that they are sitting there (at $500) is simply undeniable proof that the low price point and the thin distribution of stock of the Ps4 across 50 or so countries are the only reasons why the PS4 is not available at retailers.

No matter how much the fanboys disagree, there is simply no arguing with continually unsold Ps4 stock on Amazon at the higher price point.

The proof is in the pudding and this pudding contains a $500 Ps4.
For sale, right now.
Go get it!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/of...

Stop talking about scarcity, fanboys.
The Ps4 is available right now.
Put your money where your mouth is.
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SilentNegotiator  +   238d ago
"Bu but why can't they just make a million consoles every day? Teh Sony is trying to make teh false demand!!!"
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r2oB  +   238d ago | Well said
@ fanboybeatdown

Are you dense?

Your inquiry was addressed in the comment right below it. I'll repeat it for you...

People would rather wait and get the PS4 at the retail price rather than get price gouged by private sellers.

Another thing to consider is, not only are the private sellers price gouging, but since they are not authorized retailers there is no warranty with those brand new consoles.

So I imagine people would rather wait, save money, and preserve the warranty of the console by buying it from an authorized retailer.

The level of reaching you attempted in your comment is absurd and baffling.
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Outside_ofthe_Box  +   238d ago
@fanboybeatdown

Who the hell wants to pay above retail price for a product that they truly know costs less and that they know will be restocked in a couple of weeks? Only the extremely impatient do that, those of which would have pre-ordered their consoles beforehand given their lack of patients.

People know that the PS4 will be restocked at a price of $400 sometime down the future. That's an entirely different scenario from the PS4 being fixed at $500 whereas in this case you have no choice but to buy it at that price point unless you plan on waiting a year or two for a price drop.

If the retail price for the PS4 had been $500 at launch, only god knows what the results would have been like. That would also mean the PS4 would be slightly different as well as Sony would have designed the PS4 around that $500 price point. So we are talking an extremely different scenario here.

If using my rational way thinking of why your argument of price is wrong makes me a fanboy, then what does your sad and absurd attempt at a pathetic reach make you?
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speedforce131  +   238d ago
@fanboy

PS4's have been selling at over 500 dollars since the console has been launched so I don't know what the hell you're talking about lmao
Skip_Bayless  +   238d ago
Furthermore to beat down the fanboybeatdown(pun intended) PS4 is worth more than the X1 in resell value. Also PS4 is ranked higher on Amazon for weeks when it's priced at around $500. And point #3.. PS3 beat 360 being $200 more expensive. So you have no evidence on how X1 would beat the PS4 if it was priced the same amount. While I just gave you proof on Amazon right now that at 2:43 am pacific time PS4 is ranked #16 at $499.99 while X1 is ranked 17 with a resell value of only $449.99.

Point #4.. Your speaking about the U.S. only. I willing to bet that if PS4 was $200 more expensive it would still beat the X1 in other parts of the world.

---------------------------

And same story over and over again. The X1 fans don't listen.

We get about 5 of these kinds of articles everyday. PS fan says x, X1 fan says y, PS fan refutes the X1 fan, then X1 fan makes some non-sensical or opinionated comeback, then PS fan refutes it again. It's just a stupid cycle.

At the end of the day sales gap is widening on the latest update. 1.4 mil. And 900,000 units behind from 1st place.
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gta2800  +   238d ago
I've been helping my friend look for a PS4 this past month and we haven't had much luck. I stopped by my local Walmarts yesterday as I was on my way home and both had no PS4's. They both had a lot of Xbox ones but I was actually very surprised by the one closest to me...they had two day 1 editions in stock!
AndrewLB  +   238d ago
I bet Sony is double counting the tens of thousands of defective PS4's that were replaced right after launch day. Gamestop and some other shops had plenty of refurbished PS4's starting in early December. Microsoft did as well though. It was just odd to see refurbs available so quick after launch of the PS4.
Visiblemarc  +   238d ago
@fanboybeatdown

Not so simple. The $500 units available are not strictly "retail." The come from profiteering resellers and only slightly more savy consumers even know they exist. Those same savy consumers are also experienced enough to be wary of retailers that sell over mrsp, a warning sign people have, rightly, come to associate with not only bad value, but also bad customer service and non-existent post-purchase support.

Also, you are assuming the available units are the same ones. Also a mistake. It may well be that these sellers are camping out at every store receiving units and striking first on every 5 minute long Amazon restock and the stock is actually turning over. This is actually very likely. Hell, 25% markup on a console? Retailers would kill for those margins.
strend  +   238d ago
@fanboy

"Why are the $500 PS4's sitting on the amazon shelves?"

I think your confused about the private market section on Amazon. These are not sitting on shelves at amazon or sold by Amazon. This is sort of the Ebay, Craigslist section of Amazon
callahan09  +   238d ago
@fanboybeatdown:

Nice try... But that's not a $500 PS4 SKU. It is a $400 PS4 SKU that someone is trying to tell for $500 because of the very reason that demand is greater than supply, opening up the market to second-hand sales being priced higher than MSRP.

You can't just say that these extortionately priced second-hand available consoles not selling means people wouldn't think the PS4 is worth $500. The fact is that the PS4 isn't *supposed* to cost $500, and consumers know that and are willing to wait until one becomes available through the fair-pricing retail avenues rather than pay someone a 25% extortion rate to have the privilege to buy a console that has low available due to supply & demand.

If it wasn't supposed to typically be available at $400, then a $500 price tag would sell much quicker than it does while the consumer knows it isn't supposed to cost $500, you see?
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nukeitall  +   238d ago
@the_Box:

"Instead you said that both Sony and Microsoft can only produce so many consoles within a given time so you expected Sony to announce sales that were close to 3 million. I bet the 4.2 mil was a huge shock to you."

I was a bit suprised, but I thought the number of regions was closer, not 4 times as many regions for Sony than MS, so it makes sense Sony had a higher order. I didn't do the research.

Remember, you cannot order production based on short time, so you must be able to move this console way after the holiday and launch hype.

Also, the 3 million was sold TO CONSUMERS, not what is sitting on shelfs. So it does seem Sony and MS are closer than you think they are.

"Easier said than done. Remember MS sold in the territories they were strong in and yet aren't leading in most if not all of them."

At thirty thousand consoles in each region is basically nothing. There would no problem selling thirthy thousand of almost anything especially a brand name product like Xbox One. If MS did that, they would have outsold Sony.

"You are also contradicting yourself with that statement because you sit here saying that supply is constrained for Sony because they can't ship to so many countries, yet if MS sold in more territories they would also be supply constrained as well, taking supply away from the current 13 countries they released in and putting it toward smaller countries that they never outsold Sony in."

I don't see how that is relevant, but isn't the saying around that MS has Xbox One in stock everywhere?

Also, it seems like Sony ordered way more consoles than MS, so the capacity is there. The parts are pretty similar down to the manufacturing technique.

So the answer is MS could up their production. They weren't at max capacity from the sound of it.

"This makes no sense at all. The demand is high for the PS4 mostly because supply it is constrained? It appears to be be way more in demand because it is supply constrained? I never understood the idea of scarcity creating demand for product. If that's the case why don't more companies do it?"

I bought a Wii because it was sold out everywhere. I almost kept my PS4 when it was sold out everywhere, but decided it was too similar to Xbox One which had more games and features I wanted now.

So yes, scarcity increases demand or desire. That said, what I meant is that the "demand" appears higher when there is extremely low demand. Once you satisfy that demand, it will sit on shelfs just like the Xbox One and Wii U.

"This sounds way more accurate to me: The PS4 appears to be in high demand because it is outselling its competitors in the regions they are both released in. The PS4 appears to be "way more in demand" because not only is the PS4 outselling their competitors in the regions they are both released in they are also supply contained(apparently) while their competitors are not."

That is not really possible, because if MS only released in 13 regions, and sony in basically 4 times the region, but only sold 1.2 million more consoles, some regions has to be less or the other regions got non-existant stock.

After all, at 40 extra regions for Sony divided by 1.2 million, you are looking at thirty thousand consoles! Most countries would need more than 30 thousand consoles.

The facts speaks for themselves, not fanboy logic not aligned with reality.

What is interresting to me is how a $500 console with so much bad PR actually sold so well in the regions it sold in.
mewhy32  +   238d ago
Selling like crazy the world over. Sony has to be smiling from ear to ear right now. I'll never forget the 2013 E3 Sony press conference when Jack told the world that they weren't going to put on any restrictions for used games, etc. The crowd erupted and did again when the 399.99 price was announced. I wish there would have been a back stage camera in the ms camp zoomed in on the Don. That would have been priceless.
JoySticksFTW  +   238d ago
@ nukeitall

"Did you know that the sales difference between Xbox One and PS4 at 1 million would be erased if MS only sold 30 thousands units in the 40 or so country PS4 released, and MS would have beaten Sony."

If reports are to be believed that MS are locked into a 1 million per month production contract vs PS4's 1.4 million a month, X1 still couldn't catch up if released in the same amount of countries with both systems selling out. The gap would only widen.

Releasing in more European and Asian countries won't help much either, as the X1 is an extremely US-centric system at the moment judging by it's NFL / set-top box / voice recognition features, and those countries are tradionally Playstation strongholds anyways that are starving for more PS4's that have been going to NA and UK. And PS4 STILL hasn't released in Japan yet.

X1's price isn't helping. And MS still hasn't convinced any but the hardest core Xbox fans of the value of Kinect and their use of the Cloud. The greatest example of X1's Cloud usage and reason to upgrade is Titanfall's AI supposedly, a game that is also coming to 360.

MS cannibalized their 360 games to have more exclusives for X1's launch, which may seem like a good short term solution, but there are many 360 fans jumping over to ps4 for varied reasons continued longterm support among them.

MS is messing up. No amount of spin changes that. But on the off chance that you're just trolling, then good job. You're hooking us left and right :)
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Outside_ofthe_Box  +   238d ago
@nukei

***"At thirty thousand consoles in each region is basically nothing."***

For the smaller countries, 30,000 in a short span of time would be a lot especially when you have competition. And it's not like Microsoft could allocate some that 30,000 to bigger countries(the 13 that they're currently released in) if we're going by the idea of Xbox Ones not selling out.

***"I don't see how that is relevant, but isn't the saying around that MS has Xbox One in stock everywhere?"***

You trying to say there's 1.2 million Xbox Ones sitting on shelves?

***"So the answer is MS could up their production. They weren't at max capacity from the sound of it."***

That sure says a lot about the demand of each console now doesn't it, if one is at max capacity while the other isn't?

***"So yes, scarcity increases demand or desire."***

If that's true why don't most companies do this? You would have kept your PS4 if scarcity increases demand. By that logic Wii U would have sold better if scarcity increases demand given the fact it sold out at launch.

I don't believe you when you say that you bought the Wii because it sold out. You've said that you bought it because it created a different experience.

Don't know why I'm even trying to reason with you. You're the same person who said people were lining up at best buy to get the PS4 because it's "the one with the low supply" despite the fact that it's the one selling the most.

***"That is not really possible, because if MS only released in 13 regions, and sony in basically 4 times the region, but only sold 1.2 million more consoles, some regions has to be less or the other regions got non-existant stock."***

If we're going by the notion that the PS4 is at max capacity and that it is sold out then you have your answer: Demand > Supply.

***"The facts speaks for themselves, not fanboy logic not aligned with reality."***

What facts are YOU talking about? Everything I've stated aligns with reality perfectly well. You only call it "fanboy logic" because it doesn't favor your first born, Microsoft.

***What is interresting to me is how a $500 console with so much bad PR actually sold so well in the regions it sold in."***

I agree. Selling a lot better than a lot of people thought. Both consoles are actually selling better than anyone could have predicted if you used the past as your basis for what to expect each next gen console to sell.
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BallsEye  +   238d ago
When xbox is out of stock he common answer here is that xbox wAs rushed,it had many manufacturing failures etc. Hmmm i guess its different.
solidjun5  +   237d ago
Fanboybeatdown reminds me of IHATEALLFANBOYS or FANBOYSWILLHATEME. Their name contradicts their actions. He's clearly a fanboy.
pyramidshead  +   238d ago
This + preparing for Japanese launch.
tawak  +   238d ago
XBOX1, always in Stock = Supply>Demand
Fanci  +   238d ago
Or they just launched in 35 less countries than the PS4. Makes a lot of sense why PS4 isn't in stock, and Xbox One is.
sinspirit  +   238d ago
@Fanci

PS4 has more sales in the countries that both consoles have launched in. The extra countries PS4 has released in aren't what fills in the sales gap. They aren't out of stock because the extra countries have all the PS4's. In fact they are probably out of stock in most stores throughout those countries as well.

"Launch" is the wrong term. PS4 launched in America alone and then released in other countries later.
H0RSE  +   238d ago
@tawak

That is only partially correct. Another variable to the equation is that MS deliberately capped pre-orders so consumers who didn't pre-order, could still get their hands on one. Sony however, basicaly said to retailers, take as many pre-orders as you want.

Also, MS is overall better with their supply chain than Sony. There have been instances where the X1 appears to be sitting on shelves untouched, when in reality units have been sold and restocked multiple times. Hell, during the 360 launch, MS was having units airmailed to retailers, so they could get stocked faster.
Jihaad_cpt  +   238d ago
"Scarcity"

The fundamental economic problem of having seemingly unlimited human wants and needs in a world of limited resources. It states that society has insufficient productive resources to fulfill all human wants and needs. Additionally, scarcity implies that not all of society's goals can be pursued at the same time.

This concludes our economics lesson.
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Letthewookiewin  +   238d ago
Vgchartz are up for anyone who cares. Jan 11th.
Ps4 - US- 74700 / Eu 82000 total 188000
X1 - US- 75500/ Eu 25000 total 106000

PS4 was top selling console even over 3DS.
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TheRedButterfly  +   238d ago
Everyone is aware of the inaccuracy of Vgchartz, but as soon as they post positive PS4 numbers, everyone up-votes it like Vgchartz is the most accurate site on the internet? Okay. Stay classy N4G.
insomnium2  +   238d ago
@thered

Not everyone. You are just a fanboy who wants to see things that way. SSDD...
lawgone  +   238d ago
@majiebeast That's a very simplistic answer. The launch strategy has a lot to do with it. I can almost guarantee you that conversations were had at Sony about the fact that supply would be very limited if they launch in all those countries but the reply was "that will make it appear demand is greater."

Personally, as someone who wants to get a PS4, I thought it was a good move at first but it is starting to backfire. They have huge displays in store that are meant to induce impulse purchases but there is nothing there to purchase. Meanwhile, ebay has tons of them for $100 over MSRP >:(
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TBONEJF  +   238d ago
I'm guessing next PS4 shipment will probably be in stock during a holiday. cause the last time i sold a PS4 was a week after xmas and only received 2.
XiSasukeUchiha  +   238d ago
Demand is greater than supply enough said!
Justindark  +   238d ago
i cant wait for uncharted 10 on summer 2015!
MasterCornholio  +   238d ago
Basic economics.

:)
The_KELRaTH  +   238d ago
To keep the price high - controlling the supply and demand this way is far more profitable.

If the product were easily available off the shelf chances are the online and retail channels would look to discount the product as they want you to buy from them rather than their competitors.

Taking a leaf out of Nintendo.
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MRMagoo123  +   238d ago
/threaddone lol
ThePope  +   238d ago
@ nuke, fanboy and all the people fighting the good fight against Sony fanboys

What the Sony fanboys don't understand is while demand is a function of supply. The longer that something is out of supply demand while not going up still appears huge. Because many of the people who want one still can't get it, so keep talking about how they can't get it. This leads unintelligent people to go wow millions must be c
Begging for the PS4!! When in fact it's the same same group, just a few less.

Sony fanboys honestly think that because One's are on shelves their not,selling. We'll January NPD will be a big shock to them then.

And lastly, if the demand was so high as the fanboy sheep say it is, people would pay whatever to get one. It happens in all other consumer products, why not the PS4? Because demand while good is just a function of low stock not of true desire to have one. If that wasn't the case you couldn't get one for $700 let alone $500. But amazon has them. And BTW, Amazon backs all purchases made though them so the argument ppl don't want to buy though an unknown is false.
Angeljuice  +   238d ago
@The Pope

Your summation is quite naive, forget strategies and territories for a moment and look at the big picture.
Sony have produced more consoles than Microsoft and sold them all, Microsoft have produced fewer consoles and hasn't managed to sell them all, that is a fundamental truth that any speculation about the sales figures has to take into consideration.

This fact negates any "artificial" supply & demand massaging strategies people can dream up.

If Sony made more consoles, they would sell more consoles. If Microsoft made more consoles, there would simply be more XBoxes sitting on shelves.

To me this reasoning is bulletproof, if you disagree I would like to hear why.
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ThePope  +   238d ago
@Angel

I do disagree.

The reason why is that all things aren't equal. The biggest argument against your assumption is that the Xbox is only in 13 territories. While people in threads like this down play it (which boggles my mind) no one knows what the impact would be on the inventory levels of the Xbox One. Would it be as hard to get if it were in those regions? Probably.

You have to remember Microsoft scaled back their launch to only 13 territories. People seem to forget that the launch was planned for close to 28 regions. And I don't care how small these regions are. If a company is there, they not only plan to sell there, they intend to turn a profit. Which means more than just a few sales.
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Angeljuice  +   237d ago
Your point still makes little sense, the reason Microsoft released in so few territories is down to their own marketing strategy. There IS a level playing field, Microsoft could, had they wanted to, have launched in all the territories that Sony did, they chose not to for whatever reason.

Sony have sold at least as many consoles as MS in every territory where both have been released. In every one of those markets, PS4's are sold out whilst XB1's sit on the shelves.

If you forget the extra territories and just focus on the shared territories, the fact remains that PS4 has outsold XB1 and every PS4 is sold out whilst stocks of XB1's remain on shelves. If you introduced more PS4's in these territories they would sell more until the point that the market is saturated, the market for XB1 has already been saturated in these regions so it wouldn't sell any faster.

You argument falls down on a like-for-like regional analysis and seems to be based on the fact that Microsoft failed to launch in more than a handful of territories (which is nobody's fault but Microsoft's).
ThePope  +   237d ago
You CANT forget about the other territories! That's the whole point.

1. We don't know what Microsofts stock level would be if they launched in those regions (ppl might be saying the same thing about not being able to find one). The market is saturated in the 13 regions, agreed. But you don't know how many units it would take to say the same for the PS4, it could be a lot (reflecting a very high demand) or it could be a few (reflecting an average demand). Either way Sony is in too many regions to find out what that number is (possibly their plan)

2. Its fine that Sony is beating Microsoft in the territories they share. The only point I was trying to make if they were both in the same total territories that the numbers of sold units would look much closer.

3. Its no ones FAULT that Microsoft launched in 13 territories. It was a choice, not good or bad, just a choice. But to say Sony is KILLING it when they're in far more territories is fanboy BS.

Either way I'm giving you bubbles up for a good debate.
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antikbaka  +   238d ago
especially when there is no supply since release
avengers1978  +   238d ago
They have been in stock they just sell out as soon as there available. Last week they had some at walmart and GameStop, but they were sold out soon after
Syntax-Error  +   238d ago
Not out of stock in Charlotte NC. By the way it is not in demand like you fools think. They just dont have much out there. Go to craigslist and see how many are available. There's like 15 in Charlotte, NC between $400-$450, so obviously no one is rushing to buy 'em. I picked one up at Gamestop yesterday for $350(Used).
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weekev15  +   238d ago
Its available in the uk. I could go into any high street stockist and get 1. Amazon have them as well.
GribbleGrunger  +   238d ago
It's just been restocked in the UK
adorie  +   238d ago
Disagree. You're not stupid. You just get ahead of yourself sometimes. +1 for the Gribs.
iamnsuperman  +   238d ago
Actually Amazon UK has no standard packs. The website says it is being restocked on January 30th (the other bundles are being supplied by third party sellers or are being stocked on the 25th)
Lukas_Japonicus  +   238d ago
"Sony PlayStation 4 (PS4) (2013)

£349.00 PlayStation 4 prime
In stock on January 30, 2014"

That's what mine says right now.

And the Killzone bundle:

"Sony PlayStation 4 and Killzone Shadow Fall (PS4) (2013)

£384.99 PlayStation 4 prime
In stock on January 25, 2014"
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GribbleGrunger  +   238d ago
My mistake, I was thinking about Gamespot and that's in America. Stupid Gribble.
Soldierone  +   238d ago
Hate when people say that, I go to Amazon and its still out of stock. Only thing available are overpriced third parties, so you might as well say Ebay is in stock too.....
weekev15  +   238d ago
Sorry my bad. When I looked on my phone it said the standard ps4 was in stock at £349. When I go now, it says not available till jan 30th. Must have hit the 10 minute period they actually had stock.
Chris12  +   238d ago
If you want a PS4 then Gameseek have had plenty of stock for days now

http://www.gameseek.co.uk/C...
Bladesfist  +   238d ago
http://www.shopto.net/produ... It is in stock in a load of UK online retailers.
Angeljuice  +   238d ago
@Weekev15
I live in the UK also, you are either mistaken or outright lying.

Edit: Whoops, just saw your update, you were mistaken (sorry to imply you may be lying).
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TheKayle1  +   238d ago
na gddr5 all the industry know that they could have problem for supply....and they having
DCfan  +   238d ago
...what..?
Alex_Boro  +   238d ago
I think he's saying the PS4 is having supply issues because it's hard to mass produce gddr5 ram?
MRMagoo123  +   238d ago
@Alex

He could be saying that but even if he is he is still wrong lol, there just arent enough consoles to sell because as soon as they are available they are gone again.
MysticStrummer  +   238d ago
Damn...
GamersHeaven  +   238d ago
Lay off the drugs kid.
pyramidshead  +   238d ago
lmfao what nonsense.
Evilsnuggle  +   238d ago
TheKayle 1 go home your drunk
Axios2
Dont be afraid Lukas, put down the FACT that it's 53 countries.
That is xboiz delusion Do you really think that m$ would have xbones sitting in stock in stores if there was demand for them in other countries? M$ has shipped xbone where there is demand for them the reason why they haven't shipped to less countries. The countries They didn't shipped to they have done market research and there's no demand Worldwide for x1 just the USA and U.K.
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TheKayle1  +   238d ago
guys...theres not a piece of fanboyism here...sony will have problem with supply coz is hard to mass
produce that gddr5
is only this the reason -.-
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ShwankyShpanky  +   238d ago
They've been mass producing GDDR5 for like five years.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   238d ago
Google translate is not your friend.

"hard to mass
produce that gddr5 "

Why don't people like you ever know what you are talking about? As ShwankyShpanky said, it's been mass produced for years......Why talk if you don;t know what you are talking about?
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sinspirit  +   238d ago
If anything it is because the system is more complicated in design for optimal performance in a small form. Tightly fit, more parts specifically designed to fit in to it, custom cooling solution, and higher quality parts(lower power usage with a smaller power supply embedded into the system). Plus the case lets you remove pieces to swap the HDD while in the XBox One case it's just a simple case, much simpler production.

XBox One has little engineering in the physical design and it's a really simple set up. Just a case, plenty of room, standard heatsink, tons of breathing, more thrown together, less design.
BitbyDeath  +   238d ago
If it's hard to mass produce then why is Sony able to produce more consoles than MS?

DDR3 also hard to mass produce?
Spartan119  +   238d ago
@Lukas_Japonicus
"Why talk if you don;t know what you are talking about?"

And yet your on here everyday talking yourself.....
pyramidshead  +   238d ago
Yet you have no proof of that whatsoever, you just WANT that to be true.

Show me the articles and Sony's statements of acquiring the RAM. Show us the troubles they're going through, the problems with logistics and what not.

You can't, you aren't an official or an insider, especially not a Sony one.

Sony are producing about 1.3mil consoles a month (on average, which is higher than the alleged 1mil). That doesn't look like they're at all RAM supply constraint.

How can it be the only reason when there's no evidence of it?

PS4 is out in a lot of countries with unprecedented demand. That is the factual and most realistic reason, the one you cannot bring yourself to accept, TheKayle.

For some other good reading, here's biased thekayle melting down on Neogaf
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
il-JumperMT  +   238d ago
Can I have whatever TheKayle1 is smoking?
wenaldy  +   238d ago
My english is better than yours, even though English is not my first language.
Axios2  +   238d ago
"Ironically, people aren’t complaining about the console’s line up of launch titles "

Fact, there are 2 retail exclusives:

KZ...metacritic score 73
KNACK...54

Don't be afraid Lukas, put down the FACT that it's 53 countries
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Lukas_Japonicus  +   238d ago
Fact, 4.2 million consoles sold as of December.

Fact, 1 million consoles sold in 24 hours in NA.

How about you post some of the low X1 meta critic scores? Or better yet, why don't you post Resoguns score? I think i know why.

Just so you know: Ryse: Son Of Rome....6.0 metascore, 5.8 user score.

And launch titles include multiplats and indies. Not just retail exclusives. So your picking and choosing fails.
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_QQ_  +   238d ago
To be fair, a 2D space invaders style shooter or whatever the genre is called is hardly a reason to get a system. Especially considering how many clones of games like that exist.
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Lukas_Japonicus  +   238d ago
"To be fair, a 2D space invaders style shooter or whatever the genre is called is hardly a reason to get a system."

Who said it was? The argument wasn't about which games cause you to buy systems, it was about him only listing retail games to fit his agenda instead of ALL games like the comment he quoted said.

It doesn't matter if it;s only an indie game, it's metacritic score should still be listed, as it's a launch title.
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andibandit  +   238d ago
I mostly agree with you, but cmon....Youre gonna pull the Resogun card??
Its a cute game and all, and problably up your alley if youre into beating highscores, but......lets talk about the big games.
curtis92  +   238d ago
Luckily those aren't the only games.
PurpHerbison  +   238d ago
And there still isn't enough. Things should pick up big time in 2015.
pyramidshead  +   238d ago
People seem to be preferring it over the other console line ups, so what's the problem?

The Fighter Within: 24
User score: 3.3

Lococycle: 48
User score: 4.0

See, I can throw out metacritic scores too, son.
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xJumpManx  +   238d ago
Great so the 2 sony exclusives are no better than the Xbox Live arcade crap.
rarity  +   238d ago
You forgot resogun
Axios2  +   238d ago
Not retail

I play puzzle games on my phone

$Lukas

No picking and choosing, just the highest scores

That's what I look for when buying a games, not the lowest.

Highest retail game...Forza 5...80 on metacritic

2nd highest...DR3...78
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king_george  +   238d ago
@Axios2

Lmao did u really just say that? You wont find something like resogun on ur phone
DigitalRaptor  +   238d ago
Got to downplay the fact that more people want PS4s than Xbones somehow, right? And also that Sony has pretty much everything lined in their favour this generation? Got to downplay that PS4 has more games lined up and in production than Xbone. Doubt you could even try... But please do.

Do I even need to mention that Forza 5 is the lowest rated Forza game by a significant margin and for legitimate reasons? What about GT6 and it's metascore for comparison purposes? and just compare the User scores... grief...
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

The goalposts keep getting hijacked by the Xboys, and it's getting beyond embarrassing. Weren't you the ones saying that Sony exclusives like Twisted Metal, Starhawk and others like Resistance and Ratchet getting 70-80 on Metacritic were average games? But nope, now apparently - the Xbone launch lineup is really, really great, even though it goes against their established logic.
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Lukas_Japonicus  +   238d ago
"Don't be afraid Lukas, put down the FACT that it's 53 countries"

Haha, 53, 1, 12, 400, 38......it could be any number, the PS4 would still be dominating. They can't make em as fast as they sell em! The same just can't be said for the X1.

You carry on picking and choosing which metascores to copy and paste, but don't expect someone not to come along and totally destroy your biased troll attempt.

"Not retail

I play puzzle games on my phome"

But you quoted a sentence that said "launch line up titles" it didn't specify RETAIL tiles, that was just you spinning/making up words for your own agenda. Resogun is a launch title....fact....it's also the highest rated launch title....fact. Whether or not it comes in a box is irrelevant. Next time you quote something, you should probably read the quote and not try to spin it or change it's meaning.

I just noticed....did you call Resogun a puzzle game? Lmao! You don't even know the genre of the game that you are bashing is.....ahahaha. Wow. You don't even deserve the time im devoting to argue with you.

"The Fighter Within: 24
User score: 3.3

Lococycle: 48
User score: 4.0 "

I see you conveniently forgot to mention those......but i guess they don't count because they don't come in a box, right?
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AceofStaves  +   238d ago
Like the fact that MS chose to launch first in the markets where it sells the most (US & UK)? Sony still hasn't launched in Japan, a market where, if preorders are any indication, the PS4 should perform very well.

The Xbox brand isn't as strong in the Tier 2 and Tier 3 regions, so sales from those regions won't have a massive impact on marketshare and sales totals.
BitbyDeath  +   238d ago
56 countries by my count.

Canada
United States
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Ireland
Italy
Luxembourg
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Russia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
Argentina
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Costa Rica
El Salvador
Guatemala
Mexico
Panama
Peru
Bahrain
Bolivia
Czech Republic
Greece
Hungary
Kuwait
Nicaragua
Oman
Paraguay
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Slovakia
South Africa
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
Uruguay
Hong Kong
Korea
Malaysia
Singapore
Taiwan
India
Philippines
Thailand
SpinalRemains138  +   238d ago
Yes and it is sold out in every single one of them.

Xbox One is in less territories and yet it cannot sell out it any of them.

The difference is quite clear.
Cueil  +   238d ago
that must be why I saw 6 at my local Walmart... because it's sold o out everywhere
Bladesfist  +   238d ago
@SpinalRemains138

No it is not sold out in the UK.
http://www.shopto.net/produ...
G20WLY  +   238d ago
@Cueil and Bladesfist, you know what happens where something's selling out fast?

They restock! ;P
MysticStrummer  +   238d ago
Poor bashing job Axios, on several levels.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   238d ago
"No picking and choosing, just the highest scores"

But you ARE picking and choosing, you quoted a sentence that was stating ALL launch titles, whether they are retail, digital or indie, then proceeded to chose the lowest scores of retail games ONLY to fit your biased agenda.

Ill even repost the quote for you - "Ironically, people aren’t complaining about the console’s line up of launch titles "

LINE UP OF LAUNCH TITLES, which include ALL games available at launch....so why didn't you post scores for all games available at launch? We both know why.

" highest scores ......That's what I look for when buying a games, not the lowest"

Yet you conveniently leave out Resogun, lol. Pitiful.

@Axios2

Not only do you not understand the comment you quoted (all launch titles, not just retail), you actually said "#dealwithit"......i nstantly ignored.
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Axios2  +   238d ago
Again

I don't buy 1 hour long indie games for a console costing hundreds of dollars

"retail" games

#dealwithit
DigitalRaptor  +   238d ago
@ Axios2

I'm assuming you bought an Xbone, by your tone and comment.

Firstly, it's not Sony's fault you only played Resogun for 1 hour, if you even played it at all.

So... you bought Xbone for games that scored roughly the same as the PS4 games, and you consider that something noteworthy? So Sony has those games you mentioned AND the highest rated next-gen exclusive? How odd.

How odd would it be to pay hundreds of dollars, and already have roughly 6 free games - 2 available with a subscription and 4 that don't require any cost. How about spending hundreds of dollars to also be able to play Killzone, Knack, Assassin's Creed, Fifa, CoD, Battlefield, Lego, Madden, Injustice?

Cut the disgraceful logic, would you?
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ShwankyShpanky  +   238d ago
@Axios:

1) I'd like to see you platinum Resogun in an hour.

2) On the microscopic chance that you could do so (though I'm pretty sure that would actually be impossible based on the level structure)... don't worry, you don't have to "buy 1 hour long indie games"... because Resogun is free with PS+, one of at least six free games currently available on the PS4.

http://www.southernsavers.c...
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lawgone  +   238d ago
@ Axios You're fighting a losing battle. Saying anything not 100% glowing about Sony is automatically met with "Oh, you must be an XB1 fanboy." Let's be honest here people, he makes a good point that it can feel a little silly to buy a $400 machine to play indie games that would run on the previous gen console just fine. And before you call be an XB1 fanboy the truth is I AM! But I'm also a fan of the PS4! Yes! That is possible!
Silly gameAr  +   238d ago
Are you really going to bring games into this? You Xbox fans are so short sighted it's incredible to me. You see the here and now, not what's in the future.
NintendoYouth  +   238d ago
because its awesome as hell?
GreatnessAwaits  +   238d ago
Because its the PS2 part 2.
BTBuck1  +   238d ago
Except this time it's the most powerful sytem out not the least powerful of the three.
LKHGFDSA  +   238d ago
PS2 and PS3 proved power doesn't matter.
Imalwaysright  +   238d ago
It needs at least 100 more AAA titles to be called "PS2 part 2"
My_Name_BTW_Is_Dante   238d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(2)
Soldierone  +   238d ago
It's going to suck when InFamous hits and even more people want the console haha
bligmerk  +   238d ago
Wow, didn't even think of that, but it will be one month after the Japan launch so more units should trickle into all the launch countries (maybe...)
BitbyDeath  +   238d ago
Should update the GIF

http://i.minus.com/ib2pFqqo...
ThyMagicSword  +   238d ago
Good question
Summons75  +   238d ago
Well when people buy, stores run out, and stores generally only get a few (5 or 6 or more depending or less on the shipment and store).... You can easily find an Xbone, my best buy (which is in a constantly busy mall) still has day one Xbones in stock with a ton more.
bligmerk  +   238d ago
What is with this writer, running a blogsite from his mobile phone?

Uh, hello. Sony has launched in 50+ countries now, and needs to get at least 2 million on the shelves for the Japan launch, almost one month away now.

Good grief, where do these people think they get off attempting to be "game journalists" when they don't follow the real video game news.
DinoNYC  +   238d ago
Simply because it's awesome and selling really well.
I4arted  +   238d ago
Funny a console that is Mia everywhere is selling so much.I don't give 2 shitz who's selling more so sick of this pissing contest fanboys keeping playing
lawgone  +   238d ago
THANK YOU!
I4arted  +   238d ago
I like steak but I don't want to chew it all day can these stories end?
Aleithian  +   238d ago
Is it just me, or is N4G increasingly filled with worthless articles of late? Is this just a slow month or something?
TheRedButterfly  +   238d ago
N4G approves every PS4 story to be submitted. Better get used to this crap, cuz the next 7 years are going to be full of it.
madjedi  +   238d ago
Well n4g yrs ago 2007-2009 approved every ps3 is doomed article, so think of this as balance.
insomnium2  +   238d ago
@jedi

So very true.
windblowsagain  +   238d ago
Games are only fails if YOU did not enjoy them!
PauliceMan  +   238d ago
It's not. As an employee of a high profile retailer, yesterday we had them in stock. We also got more this afternoon. Other stores have them as well. This is a pointless article that obviously did little to no research.
Zefros  +   238d ago
anyone know when outlast is releasing on psn?
Budobear  +   238d ago
Yeah, its next month, Feb 8th (or something, not sure of the exact day)
Conzul  +   238d ago
YA'LL can have mine for 1k$.
Skate-AK  +   238d ago
They have about 10 PS4's in my city. Between GameStop and Walmart.
specialguest  +   238d ago
Where is your city? I don't doubt that there are ps4 available somewhere out there, but in major cities like where I'm from, Dallas tx(US). haven't seen any at Walmart, Best Buy, Target, or Gamestop.
Skate-AK  +   238d ago
Wasilla, Alaska.
lawgone  +   238d ago
If a person liked pie but didn't care for cake, many might not feel the same but they would understand that's their personal preference and really not give a shit. Hell, more cake for me, right? But if that same person that liked pie then wished for cake to fail, we would all think he has a screw loose. Yet this is what this pissing contest is like with game consoles. Eat or play the one you like and quit worrying about the other one. Better yet, eat both! They're both delicious!
ProjectSeoul  +   238d ago
There is some in PS4's in Dekalb Illinois. Drive all the way over here if you want to.
Good-Smurf  +   238d ago
@Axios2
No you have to deal with it,And I don't see a hundred thousand particle effects and perfect constant 60 FPS side scrolling shooter happen anytime soon on smartphones not to mention you can't even play it properly without physical buttons.
You come to the wrong article to comment man especially if it have nothing to do with your sacred xbone,you just looking to get your ass kicked verbally.
mediate-this  +   238d ago
Man people really need to shut it with their lack of knowledge, if sony wanted to make a large amount of ps4's they can, but like the top people said its supply n demand. If they supply more then there is demand then a bunch of retailers will be sitting on systems. Now that they have demand, they need killer apps to turn that demand into purchases.

In other words sony is manipulating their market. They are creating demand for their ps4's. its not a bad thing at all, its very smart. Oversaturate the retailers and they will be slow selling.
Clarence  +   238d ago
Because people want it.
SpinalRemains138  +   238d ago
Same reason the sexy woman isn't single.
TheRedButterfly  +   238d ago
Because she's dating an a$$hole?
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JediDiah  +   238d ago
Because they spread themselves too thin.
JasonKCK  +   238d ago
Depends on where you go, some places have them, some don't. Easy to find in the US but not so much in other countries.
Hicken  +   238d ago
Easy to find in the US? That's odd. Not easy to find here in Atlanta. Maybe we're a part of some other country, and just haven't realized it yet?
ALLWRONG  +   238d ago
You still stalking Hicken?
JasonX43  +   238d ago
Right now... I'm laughing at the fanboys arguing over this. I'll just wait til March to pick up the rumored inFamous: Second Son bundle. Patience is a virtue!
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