The PS4, starting at $399, and the Xbox One, starting at $499, aren’t just doing better business because they’re flat-out better systems.
Nobody is flopping. What we need to end are these factually and integrity bankrupt articles. "The biggest reason Nintendo is losing out to the likes of PlayStation and Xbox is simply because they’re making inferior products. No video gamer would invest in a Nintendo product knowing that there’s something much better out there," Vita?
Yeah Nintendo aren't going anywhere anytime soon. However they need to change, their stubbornness needs to end. They make the best software on the planet yet they make some bad hardware, yes the wiiu is bad, it's overpriced nobody wants it, the games that are meant to save it haven't done a thing and it's always on smash bros will save it or Mario cart, but they never saved the GameCube. If they dropped the game pad, dropped the price by 50% (cause apparently half of the cost of the device is in that stupid thing) and bundle it with smash bros and it will fly off the shelves. Yes the 3DS is killing it but even that is failing to live up to their expectations. Iwata needs to go, he hasn't done anything good in a while and doesn't seem to want to make a change. It's a tough pill to swallow but you know I'm only speaking the truth.
Sorry kid, once you said the WiiU is bad and over priced and the pad being "Stupid". Just shows your true colors as a gamer and really what kind of person you are.
@utalkin2me Please stop the personal attack. Please point how how what I said says anything about who I am? My first console was a game boy donkey kong is my hero! First game I ever owned! Played the hell out of smash bro on GameCube. Nintendo stopped talking to me with the wii, and now this abomination. I want Nintendo to succeed I really do without them I wouldn't be a gamer, but now I mostly game on pc and playstation, and I don't have a lot of time so nintendos wiiu is not going to be an option at the price it's at.
I agree UTalkin2me... When the Wii U came out I was excited like I was when I was a little kid. No more forced waggle controls, No more eye bleeding associated with poor picture quality on the wii etc. To me the old nintendo was back! I love my Wii U so it pains me to see how badly it's performing. I won't say I hated the Wii (I have one) but I was far from liking it. The fact that the Wii did better than the Wii U just blows my mind, it should be the other way around. Hopefully Ninty pulls up their socks and give people more incentive to get one.
@hellzsupernova First off i did not attack you, obviously you're a defenseless type person anytime you communicate, which is obvious by how you project yourself. I can not make myself any more clearer on your comment. I highlighted what you said and replied. Sorry you have problems understanding.
Worst case scenario: Nintendo dedicates itself to just handheld gaming. I don't think they're going anywhere.
Aye only the Wii U is flopping. And the reason is the lack of third party support and last gen leaving nintendos name where it is now. You can't just abandon hardcore gamers and expect them to want your next console. Casual gamers are fickle and follow the trend. We'll see who gets them out of MS and sony this gen edit - It's not their 'fault'. They didn't mean to abandon the hardcore. But the third parties abandoned them. And Nintendo just made the same mistake again with regards to hardcore.
What did they do to abandon these so called "hardcore" gamers?
I don't think that Nintendo ever had those hardcore gamers. They have always been a family company and they have not changed their vision really. What has changed is the gaming demographics.
Losing millions upon millions and not selling any wiiU consoles isn't flopping? Lol wiiU is dead, Nintendo soon to follow unless major changes,
Do some research...
Saying that Nintendo is dead because it isn't selling in the US is like saying Xbox is dead because it isn't selling in Japan. Dude you buy Nintendo for Nintendo games, and if you don't like Nintendo games, then don't buy the system! Simple solution LOL!
meanwhile i've played a few awesome games on wii-u. I've already played more on the WiiU than i have the last couple years on the other consoles. It's already been worth it to me, even if it goes downhill, which considering smash bros, mario kart, bayonetta, x, zelda, donkey kong...those could be the only games i play on the system and it would have been worth it
Bringing the Vita won't change the Wii Us situation. Thats the truth. P.S Both the Vita and the Wii U are selling way below expectations.
Flopping is a little extreme don't you think? Nintendo have plenty of back up reserves, and the 3DS is still the best handheld. The Wii U may not be doing so well but it's not the end of the world.
Gamers trying to talk business, you don't build up a big reserve to blow it on a failing console, the 3DS may be king but it is failing to live up to nintendos expectations.
Just for the record I mean the wiiu is failing not the 3DS
Kid, you really need to give your hate a rest. Kind of embarrassing really. Maybe someday the admin will clean the multiple user accounts out.
Lol I have one account....what do you think my duplicate account is? Lol
thank you! "Nintendo have $10bn in the bank!" so? they have $20bn worth of outstanding shares; investors who Nintendo need to cater to. investors don't like seeing their investments bleed all over the show and Nintendo, being a public company, has the responsibility to make sure the company is always doing well and progressing. I never understood this "$10bn in the bank" excuse.
Again you fail to read between the lines. I did not accuse you of multiple accounts. Sorry again you went into defense mode.
@torchic: So, what should Microsoft and Sony do then? MS never stopped bleeding because of the console business and Sony had trouble to make the wound stop bleeding for more than half of the time they are in the console business... And Nintendo struggled one year with the Wii U, one device, not all of them, same can be said about Sony.
Pretty much, it's selling incredibly well and software sales are also very high yet people keep spouting "the end of Nintendo!" just because the Wii-U isn't doing very well.
Nintendo might be sinking in one industry which maybe home consoles but they still have the handheld market which they are doing great at. Nintendo won't flop everybody loves their franchises too much. Every gamer has grown up playing some sort of Nintendo franchise whether it be Mario or Pokémon. And gamers from different generations have fond memories of Nintendo franchises. If anything Nintendo might fallow the same path as Sega when the saddest day happened and Sega stopped producing consoles. And Sega seems to be doing very well at making great games. Other thing that might happen is Nintendo might write off the Wii-U and start a new with a new console. And have it on the same bar as PS4 and XB1. Who knows what Nintendo will do but they will not flop. Virtual Boy was a flop and Nintendo rebounded back after that. And Nintendo will rebound back with this problem they face. Every console maker has released a console that does not sell well or screws up. Sony released the PSP go and Sony bounced back. PS3 had a slow start and Sony fixed that and bounced back. Microsoft had consoles cooking themselves with the RROD and they bounced back. Sega stopped making consoles and they dropped out and they bounced back in the developer and publisher market. Nintendo won't leave the videogame market too many gamers of different ages have fond childhood memories with their consoles and their franchises. Nintendo will bounce back. Same articles appeared when Nintendo released the 3DS and it wasn't doing well with sales. Articles popped up saying it was done it was over. But Nintendo fixed the problem and they bounced back. And now 3DS is a great selling handheld console I own one and I play it. Nintendo not flopping they just hit a bump and they will fix it.
Sony sunk in consoles for the last 10 years, yet here they are fine. People over react. Sony is in a better position to do the Sega.
"Sony sunk in consoles for the last 10 years, yet here they are fine." Oh yeah, selling over 230+ million consoles in the past 10 years (PS2 + PS3) is really an immense anchor on Sony. /s
@dragonknight: true, Sony sold lots of consoles... but they also sustained very heavy losses with them, especially with the PS3, which didn't even start to report profits for Sony until several years after launch. Nintendo, generally speaking, has been a much healthier company than Sony and Microsoft's gaming divisions, even with home consoles, never mind their handhelds.
^whoever disagreed with this comment, is obvious fanboy troll
@DragonKnight: Selling 230+ million console doesnt equal to making profit. Nintendo made profit on its flopping Gamecube, Sony needed like 5 years for the PS3 to create the first dollar for Sony. PS3 during its launch was sold for $600 and sony sold them at a loss of $200. You know, these companies are in that business to make money and not to sell a lot of consoles at huge loss.
@deafdani and Chrischi1988: For one thing, can you point out where in Elemental's comment that profits were specifically being spoken of? And secondly, Sony's losses for the PS2 ended a LONG time ago, same with the PS3, so making a profit is making a profit. The point stands, Sony has NOT "sunk in consoles for the last 10 years." That you would argue semantics shows a weak argument. Why try so hard to reinforce a clearly fanboyish comment designed to troll?
@DragonKnight PS3 made 0 profit and in unit sales alone lost almost 90% of its market share. That isnt good.
@ElementalKnight: Sorry but you're wrong. PS3 has been making Sony profit for about 2 years now, and no it didn't lose almost 90% of its market share. Stop pulling numbers from out of the void.
People also seem to forget that the PS3 was a pawn to get Blu-Ray standardized. Guess what? It DID. The PS3 is the SOLE reason HD-DVD is dead. The PS3 caused more and more people to buy Blu-Ray films, enough so for Time Warner (Warner Brothers) to make their decision to drop HD-DVD and go full on Blu-Ray. Time Warner was the domino the market needed and after Warner's decision the rest of the hold outs followed suit. So the initial losses of the PS3 are FAR FAR FAR outweighed by the Blu-Ray licensing gains long after the PS3's lifetime.
That was sega's own fault. They released three systems back to back. If nintendo rides out the wii u and supplys crazy games they will be fine.,
Nintendo is flopping? Last I checked, Nintendo are killing it with the 3DS and aren't in nearly as much debt as Sony, Sony are the ones flopping if we're talking about the 3.
You really hate sony don't you?
He's right, though. Check their financials; despite the PS4's success, it isn't pulling them out of their debt hole. Whether you think it's bashing or not, it's a plain fact that Sony's finances are worse than Nintendo's, despite the Wii U's underselling performance.
@ssj4fox i'm not sure whats worse. your fact ignoring comment, or the fact that 5 other people hit agree. you troll douches are gonna ruin the industry you claim to love
you really hate FACTS don't you?
None of these companies are going to "flop." Worse-case scenario they'll be restructured or sell off certain divisions. Nintendo may stop producing home consoles, but they'll be major players in handheld gaming and software for a long time.
Nintendo been in the game for the longest and out of all competitors, they can afford a flop. Just learn from it and rebound. It's not like they cannot. They have the IPs and still King of the handheld.
The entire wall street flopped in 1 year... It had $350 bn in the bank (about 35x larger than Nintendo) Anything can flop, anything
Not only that, but I wonder if any other than nintendo of the 3 could afford a failing system. MS would probably leave that business or sell the console devision right away, I mean they are close to selling it, even though Xbox sells fine. And Sony is not what one would call a financial stable company.
Nintendo flopping? with already the highest rated next-gen game?!? not to mention Monolith>Gods and X will be beyond a masterpiece!!! Not to mention 3DS outsold PS4 and Xboxone in December even with launch hype?!?!?!. such flop.
I personally am getting X but you can;t say it will be a masterpiece.When we have seen little to no dam info and gameplay.Mono is nowhere near ND level.Until they can prove themselves like ND. You can't compare a system that's been out for 2 year vs two systems that have been out for a little over 2 months.
Xenogears is considerd the best Story in a game by pretty much everyone who has played it, that part is subjective. Xenogears has one of, if not THE deepest story in a game, that is fact. There are even 15 page analysis essays by fans for that game's story, Its pretty much treated like a Novel. Xenogears is considerd a masterpiece Xenoblade is one of the most decorated JRPG of last gen. For its beautiful environments, excellent Story, Deep RPG elements and Gameplay, also considerd a masterpiece by many. So the Monolith team has certainly proven themselves as much as ND, as much as Blizzard, as much as Nintendo EAD, they are easily among the best. Now lets take a look at what we know about X, we know the gameplay will be similar to xenoblade with the addition of mechs. We know Tetsuya Takahashi,the man behind xenogears,xenosaga,xenoblade ect is also behind X. We know one of the most revered Anime composers Hiroyuki Sawano is creating the score. The World will be large scale like xenoblade. Kunihiko Tanaka, The character designer from Xenogears is returning for X. Knowing all of that the only way this game won't be amazing is if its broken.
Why not? People did it all the time to the Wii U using the PS360. Only hypocrites are complaining now that the shoe's on the other foot.
I really don't think you can compare Naughty Dog with Monolith Soft, dude, they're as different as night and day. One specializes in excellent linear games, the other in open world games. :/
Flopping as in the wiiU and Nintendo losing millions and millions of $$$, more then ever before. Shareholders calling for a new CEO, yep not flopping lol, doing real good there.
They are not flopping. They are not flopping. They are not flopping. They are not flopping. They are also, believe it or not, not flopping. They just came off an astronomically successful last generation and they are the home of every most popular handheld ever made. They have enough cash to eat another Wii U and another Wii U after that. You can keep retyping the same regurgitated garbage until your fingers fall off, but that will put Nintendo in no less a fantastic financial situation than the one they are in. Do they wish the Wii U was selling a lot better? Sure. But that's as far as this goes.
Explain yourself more. Perhaps with a bit less attitude next time because, I would assume, we are both grown and should be a bit more mature than that.
Man...these doom articles are pooring in LOL
the only reason the wii u is selling less is because dragon quest X has not been released in north america
Lol, what? Dragon Quest is HUGE in Japan, true, but that's it. It really is a extremely niche product in America, don't be ridiculous.
You know I don't care if it would sell hardware units or not. I just want the game! I would like to see it sell more units if they localized it. But, really I just want to play it.
Nintendo is flopping because the Wii U isn't doing that well? LOL Um, Hello, 3DS? Forget about that monster? I guess by this logic, Sony is flopping too. Vita.
Just wait till the dust settles. Eventually you get used to these repeat doom articles.
Bye bye Nintendo!
i hope this is true
your a fake gamer just sayen..
i been a nintendo fan in 1985 had all the consoles nintendo been going down hill starting from the gamecube we do not live in the past any more
Lets be clear about something. The Wii U is flopping. Not Nintendo as a company. As a company Nintendo is more than fine. They will always have the hand held market. The only thing that might happen one day, is that they might stop making consoles and just focus on their hand held fanbase.
Jesus Christ....another Nintendo doom & gloom article.. As a great man once said when a bear was loose at his Basketball game, "EVERYBODY PANIC".....
I might sell my Wii-U on Ebay RIGHT NOW.... I guess it's Nintendo's turn this gen, as Sony copped 3yrs of negative media coverage & non-stop internet banter when PS3 was revealed & years after launch.....So, at least it's not Sony again...Now I can get sick of all the Nintendo doom & gloom negative stories...It's just like those PS3 years, only now at least there is a different brand name being attacked.
"Sony sunk in consoles for the last 10 years,"
Argh, no,..PS3 has been around for 7yrs, & PS2 was before that & MASSIVE. So, Sony had about 6-7 rough years, & that was expected by anyone with half a brain...as NOBODY had dominated as heavily as Sony did with PS1 & PS2, & especially or 2 gens straight. The biggest selling console before PS1 arrived, was SNES, it sold 60+million, Sony 1st attempt (PS1) DOUBLED that at 120+million, & then PS2 almost tripled that at 150+million.
Your thinking of Sony AS A WHOLE....There TV department is the main money drainer, as cheaper, superior Korean brands SMASHED Sony's tv business & still is. So, your 10yr Sony doom forecast is more a reference to there TV, Stereo & such departments, as opposed to there console business. But, you are right in that there console division (which was there most financially viable at one point) has suffered over the past 5-6yrs....But, it is looking like PS4 can bring them back.....They just need to work something out for there other, financially draining departments, as now I believe they are kind of more merged, so bad tv sales & losses, now affects the console end of things, with limited cashflow for marketing (as seen with the terrible, & almost non-existant PS3 marketing), as well as R&D for new machines, AS WELL as new games, new IP's & such....(which was also seen with PS3, with closures of MANY of Sony's 1st party developers).
Seems like the Media is all over Nintendo these days. It doesnt make sense because they just recently had the one of the greatest selling consoles of all time, and the greatest selling portables of all time. The 3DS is doing great, and while Wii U started out slow, it's been doing fine lately for the past few months. Nintendos situation is no where near as bad as the media makes it sound.
It comes down to the fact that the industry grew significantly at the same time development costs and time grew significantly with the introduction of hd and photorealistic visuals. Its a much more desired commodity while at the same time a less available one. Capcom is saying that now development time is going to double with the ps4 and xbone. I could see that being the case. AAA developers are expected to push the envelope graphically. Whereas indie developers are free to use the hardware to easily make games in a timely manner. Why do you think Ubisoft has been making so many assassin creed games? Because they spent way too much money developing the first one with very little payoff. But, they did complete the engine. Now they can build a business model that can actually make them money by releasing sequel after sequel. You can apply this to just about any AAA 3rd party developer with very few exceptions. The media knows this and knows that gaming is gonna be pretty boring in this transition because developers are working on new engines to take advantage of the hardware. The sheepish public doesn't understand half of what they are asking for and no business in its right mind would be willing to say no. Which is good because thats what advances the industry. Basically people need to get lives so they have something else to do while games are being made for their consoles. Thats the last thing a gaming publication or website wants because the want a consistent ad revenue stream. They can only get that by stirring up controversy.
Funny how every Nintendo fanboy has to bring up Sony. Yeah, article sucks. No, Nintendo's not going bankrupt or anything of the sort. But geez, Sony isn't your scapegoat because the Wii U is doing badly. Just admit it's not doing what Nintendo would like and move on. It's getting pretty sad. Almost as sad as these lame ass articles.
I love how you want others to accept that the WiiU is doing badly, when not to long ago you were rabid, mad, crazy and attacked anyone who said the same about the Vita. All I read from you was bile and venom as you accused everyone of being a xbox fanboy for even suggesting the Vita was doing poorly, even telling those people to stay out of Vita articles. And yet...here you are the voice of reason eh? That's the real sad part. Does it even cross your mind how big of a hypocrite you are?