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MS: Sony has failed to deliver on promises

CVG reports the latest declarations of Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg: "The days of Sony snowing the consumers and the press are over,"…

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Rattles3481d ago

well atleast they mentioned the 5 million lead, i was expecting it left out.

gamesR4fun3481d ago (Edited 3481d ago )

Lol sounds desperate a one year lead and already down to a mere 5 mil lead next year they will be firmly in last place.

As for bashing Sony on hyping KZ2 and Home true but MS gave us RROD,Vista, Sp3... Unfair and unethical business practice not to mention their own hype and bs. Nope Sony aint perfect but ms is the last one who should b pointing fingers.

meyers3481d ago (Edited 3481d ago )

The irony is absolutely hilarious.

Vgchartz has spent the past two years inflating 360 sales figures and underreporting PS3 sales numbers. As the PS3 continues to sell more and more each month vgchartz even had to resort to claiming their inflated 360 US sales data was 'more accurate' than NPD after spending all of last year stuffing extra 360 sales in mysterious categories like Europe/Other and Other/Other which still wasn't enough to keep the 360 close to PS3 sales.

All that careful work of putting up the appearance that they were a legitimate site gets demolished in one interview from of all companies...Microsoft.

LOL!

Feihc Retsam3481d ago

Personally... I never would have thought that this long after the PS3 launch, there'd still be only 2 exclusive titles worth playing on the PS3... It certainly doesn't make me feel like the PS3 was a good investment, especially with the early price cuts.

I'm not really into the whole HOME idea, but they've really botched that whole thing, and with all of the other delays abound, I think it's safe to say that SONY has disappointed many.

They can really only go up from here. We need a good string of solid exclusives to pick up some momentum

thewhoopimen3481d ago (Edited 3481d ago )

Nice try you backward pseudonym xbox eating fanboi

Your appeal was heartfelt but it fell flat on its face.

Monchichi0253481d ago

"I know a lot of folks enjoy watching the console wars and we would never underestimate our competition. But answer to your question specifically, didn’t Sony promise all of this last year including Home as well? We have been fighting Sony’s promises from the day we entered the market and if you remember at that time it was all about PS2 being an online cybercity with partner announcements from the likes of RealNetworks and AOL. Then three years ago at E3 they showed what PS3 games would supposedly look like with the Killzone 2 video, that we are now learning will ship four years later. That means that we will have shipped Gears of War and Gears of War 2 before they can even get Killzone out the door. Think back to GDC 2007 when Sony promised to leap ahead in online with the Sony Home unveil. Here we are two years later and multiple delays for a product that has appears to have little to no buzz. Where are the achievements? The friends list integration across all games? Where is the long-promised video store? Where are all the other products using and networking with their CELL chip? How come Blu-ray did not result in better games? What happened with Sixaxis and rumble? Where is the complete 1080p game library we were promised? If Blu-ray as they said would be such a catalyst to PS3 console sales, then why have PS3 sales over the past couple months not seen any lift since the format victory?"

marinelife93481d ago (Edited 3481d ago )

Bad form Mr Greenberg. They should have taught you that in executive 101 not to criticize the competition openly it makes you come off as frustrated with the market with no solutions and afraid of your competition.

Sony's name association with their products is a little more expensive but definitely worth the extra cash.

Microsoft's name means something quite a bit different.

marinelife93481d ago (Edited 3481d ago )

""Then three years ago at E3 they showed what PS3 games would supposedly look like with the Killzone 2 video, that we are now learning will ship four years later. That means that we will have shipped Gears of War and Gears of War 2 before they can even get Killzone out the door.""

* Yes and Sony has shipped Resistance, Ratchet and Clank, and will have Resistance 2 out in the same amount of time MS announced Too Human and Alan Wake.

""Think back to GDC 2007 when Sony promised to leap ahead in online with the Sony Home unveil. Here we are two years later and multiple delays for a product that has appears to have little to no buzz. Where are the achievements? The friends list integration across all games?""

* Yes and why did it take four years for Xbox live to have all those features integrated?

""How come Blu-ray did not result in better games? What happened with Sixaxis and rumble? Where is the complete 1080p game library we were promised?""

* Yes and what happened to 1080P is pointless anyway. HDMI is pointless. Hi def movie players have no effect on console sales. "Hey things break" - Peter Moore. Microsoft consoles are well within consumer products accepted failure rate. And Microsoft has the perfect storm in Fall of 07 to win the console war? Kojima seems to think that Blu-Ray is needed. MLB 2k8 had downloadable stadiums that wouldn't fit on the DVD.

Sony is much more visionary than Microsoft. They dream big and expect much and get their consumers caught up into their own euphoria.

When Bill Gates stated that computers won't need more than 640K of Ram it showed me right then that he wasn't very good at forward thinking.

solidt123481d ago

How dare he say Blu-Ray is not important when many developers have already stated that it helped to have the extra space. MGS 4 and many other games could not be done on a DVD. Also he makes it sound like no other games have come out since the Killzone 2 footage in 05. We have Resistance 1 and 2 and Uncharted ect. The only game that demonstrates the power of the 360 is Gears. Look at GTA IV on the PS3, and MGS 4 and the Killzone 2 footage. You can't do this on the 360, Games simply look better on the PS3 when you use the technology.

TresTrendu3481d ago

Far as i am concerned europe can keep the ps3 being that's the only place it is really doing well. I and i totally agree with the article and i am with everyone else he doesn't need to go running his mouth, this is stuff people already new.

Homicide3481d ago

Greenburg is just upset the gap is closing between the two consoles.

mbmonk3481d ago

"That means that we will have shipped Gears of War and Gears of War 2 before they can even get Killzone out the door."

WE? We have shipped Gears and Gears 2? Well then I guess 'we' also shipped UT3 for the PS3 and Unreal Engine. Because Epic shipped Gears, Gears2 not MS.

I think a lot of what he is saying is completely valid. Sony has lied. Call them on it I am fine with that. But don't try to take credit for things you haven't done.

dantesparda3480d ago

MS is that pissed off about how the PS3 is doing that they are resorting to these tactics, nice! Shows they aint happy. Now I know how they feel about losing alot of their lead, to only 5 million (that "lead" keeps shrinking, which took them an extra year to attain).

However i gotta say, must of the things he said are true, sorry Sony fanboys. But Sony needs to step up and finsh their sh!t already, and get it done both nicely and correctly, to shut them up. And MS, hurry the fvck up and update my Dashboard with some good sh!t already, the sh!t is taking forever.

gameraxis3480d ago

sony reps HARDLY say anything to outright BASH the 360 yet microsoft resorts to this tomfoolery...

Its good to be on the side of the strong-silent type, but i might get a core 360 for gears 2... that game looks insane, but after I'm done with the game I'll compress the 360 into 4x4 sheets of paper to wipe my @$$ with.

I have nothing against epic so not playing their awesome game because of the "WAR" is just plain dumb..

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Ace Ventura3481d ago (Edited 3481d ago )

He sounded pathetic, desperate and threatened in this rant.

It's really not up to Micrsoft... when Sony does what they are doing.

They should just shut up and enjoy 6th place. Behind PS3, Wii, PSP and DS. Because that's where their going.

This isn't professional. THEY ARE LOSING. Not Sony. Should Sony come call them out on selling defective console for almost 3 years, on a daily basis???

Or selling Obsolete HD DVD drives to have them tuen into a 150$ piece of garbage. There is much more....the thing is MICRSOFT ARE DESPERATE. And we all know it. That's why they are acting like ansolute LOSERS. Do you hear Nintendo ever say anything about either Sony or Microsoft? How about Sony ever say anything about them... other tahn maybe "we outsold them". No.

Becuase Microsft are PATHETIC LOSERS. They can't win. Will never win and should just get over it and stop calling people out for some delays when the console hasn't even been out 1 and a half years yet! They aren't Sony!!

So what now...does Sony answer to Micrsoft now??

Microsft are patheitic sore losers and will always come in last. The thought they had a chance to come steal some Playstation owners and at the end of the day... their console is cheap, with the most games, and the only console they are competitive with is the Playstation 2. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE SAYING THIS. And it's PATHETIC. Losers. Everyone can tell. You can play stupid but wait for Sony's answer....

It will be something like "Sorry Microsft, we aren't the reason you aren't selling consoles..that's your problem, or Microsft we just aren't on your schedule...though you would like to believe that."

I love watching Microsoft lose.

Capt CHAOS3481d ago

Go read the article again, good points there.

So much for the HD starts with the PS3. How many games are 720p on the 360 and less on the PS3? I know of two. COD4 and GTA4, both big names.

meyers3481d ago (Edited 3481d ago )

It is staggering to stand back and take in the magnitude of Microsoft's unprecedented failure in the console market:

* Slapped a bunch of very expensive to manufacture desktop pc parts in a big ugly black box and tried to pass it off as a console

* Racked up 4 billion or so in losses over four years for a tie for last place with Nintendo last gen

* Was forced to pull the Xbox from the market early leaving Xbox owners and devlopers in a lurch

* Rushed the most defective consumer electronics item ever to market a year before the next console generation started

* Racked up 1.1 billion in addition losses just for one specific 360 hardware failure type

* Racked up another billion or two in losses over the first two years of the 360

* After 2.5 years on the market the 360 hardware still isn't breaking even and no timeframe is given by Microsoft as to when it will be. Just that they are 'making progress'.

* The only thing keep the 360's division out of the red right now are the ludicrous 50 dollar a year online fees Microsoft forces 360 owners to pay to be allowed to play laggy P2P low player count games on the system

* The graphics hardware is so poorly designed and weak that 360 owners are still trying to hype an old Unreal Engine game's marketing shots

* The graphics hardware is so poorly designed and weak that 360 owners have been forced to look for real or mostly imagined minute differences in cross platform games to hype their system's 'power'.

* Wasted 50 million dollars on GTA4 only to end up with the sucky version of the game on their console with extra missions no one cares about

* Dead in Japan. Again!

* Dead in Europe every except the UK. Again!

* Basically surviving on the very same US based Halo/pc gamer fanbase

Who wouldn't be pathetic, desperate and threatened when you are working on such a fiasco.

Tryst3481d ago

Meyers...

what you are saying is soooooo true :)

marinelife93481d ago

Well said Myers. Bubbles for you.

Microsoft needs to worry more about their own ship rather than complaining that Sony isn't playing fair.

Mr Blings3481d ago Show
Ashta3481d ago (Edited 3481d ago )

Your comment is offensive and rhetoric like that is only supposed to be seen in the Open Zone. Your in the wrong place and talk like that isn't welcome here.

EDIT: I'm not saying that you don't have a right not to be offended about something someone says but lashing out in some insult-laced tirade isn't going to change anything. All it does is make it seem like you've lost your cool and when you've done that the other opposing side in the argument can just use that against you.

All I'm saying is next time you need to plan out your responses differently.

Edit 2: See, that was far more pleasant, and I'll even try to give you an answer to your question: I am, and not ashamed about it, a PS3 owner. I don't own a Wii or an Xbox 360 because I don't have the money to buy more than one and I felt that my investment in the PS3 was far more justified considering I have had both the PS1 and PS2 and for the past decade or so that's where I've done more of my gaming.

I was torn between the 360 and PS3 at first (I SO wanted to buy Dead Rising, but I really loved Motorstorm and Heavenly Sword was just about to come out when I was thinking about upgrading to a next-gen system) but after the news of the RROD problems came out, the disk scratching problems that hit the news, and (for me personally) the overall lack of ethics in advertising on Microsoft's part I decided to go with the PS3 because it seemed so reliable, and so far it has never let me down.

Granted I do feel a bit miffed about the constant delays about Sony's HOME program and I really wished they would get things handled about the missing functions of the PS3 (in-game XMB for one) but I also realize that I spent 10 years gaming before without ANY of that and was happy just sitting down and playing games without all of this constant turmoil and bickering between companies and how one or the other has "failed" me or their fanbase.

So, for me, a number of games have kept me happy in my purchase for the PS3. Uncharted (thats obligatory. It's just so damned fun), Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, and a few others just sold me. Besides, I can also get my multi-platform game fix and while many people have complained that the PS3 versions are inferior (framerates and the like) I just don't see the differences like most others can, but then again I just sit down to play the games and enjoy them rather than dissect them and rip them apart so I can compare them.

Then again...I may just be easily amused. I mean...I loved the hell out of Jericho on the PS3, so take that what you will.

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Ashta3481d ago (Edited 3481d ago )

What part of "terms like 'fanboy' and 'droid' aren't welcome in the gamer zone do you not understand?

While your free to express your opinion if your not going to apply by the standards and rules of the Gamer Zone then you should only comment in the Open Zone.

Also, the reason why certain comments get more disagrees or agrees than others is, just maybe, there are more people who share the same sentiments as the poster who made the comment. If Sony fans actually outnumbered 360 fans or if Wii fans outnumbered PS3 fans in certain discussions then it would only seem logical to assume that the larger mass would have more agrees/disagrees when having an argument/discussion with some person with an opposing viewpoint.

Besides, your "corporation that doesn't care about them" comment can be used in regards to any of the game console companies or PC companies. Not just a single entity.

EDIT: Silellak - Sorry, the reason why I had assumed that your comment was pointed directly towards the Sony side is because the beginning of your comment was directly centered around how "this thread is turning in to a Sony-Fanboy circle-jerk". You emphasized a bias in the beginning of your comment then acted as if you had no bias. Sorry, but that confused me.

As for the use of "fanboy" as an insulting term I had figured that it had been outlawed in the gamer zone just like "Xbots" and "Sony Droids" had been. The only reason why I used the term "droids" in response to yours was because I was using two examples of terms that should only be used in the open zone, not the gamer zone.

Ace Ventura3481d ago

Tard, then sale it.

I have alot of games on PS3 and enjoy it. It's barely over a year old.

If it bothers you then sale it. I don't care becasue I know it will be here soon and I will use it for years to come.

The point is this douche from Microsft shouldn't be acting this pathetic and childish..becuase some thigns were delayed until this year. He's doin this because MICROSOFT IS LOSING.

Microsft has screwed up thier entire F'ing consle!! I have has 2 RROD since I bought my XBox 360 back in November of 2006..with Gears. GARBAGE CONSOLE.

They should just get over it. They are serisouly goign to lose bad and calling other companies out over products THAT AREN'T THEIRS TO WORRY about is absolute garbage.

So what Killzone 2 is being released until the beginning of the 3rd year??? There will be two Resistance games released along with Gears.

It's just BS.

Microsoft is scrambling. Sony or anyone could do this. Except to Nintendo who's been winning by alot. Microsoft HASN'T accomplished SH1T except quickly heading towards last place again and poor hardware sales.

It's hilarious and unprofessional. Corportation shouldn't post FULL PARAGRAPH RANTS of what other companies are trying to do. It can go the other way to.

They are losers.

Wicked Sick3481d ago

You hit the nail there. Fully agree.

Too bad the lemmings dont see this

Mr Blings3481d ago

What r u talking about man? why would i sell my ps3? because alot of idiots buy it? I have and enjoy games for each system. Yes the system is only a year and a half old, but SONY seems to love to talk about these great ideas that are in the pipeline that take forever. I think its a good system that has potential, but the potential needs to start turning into reality. I wish everything theyve sold us on was already out and making the sytem overall better. instead its a lot of delays. whatever, in the end i have a few games i really like for and its a great movie machine.

It comes down to I'm a gamer not a fanboy. If bashing Micro$oft and saying that they have no good games and SONY is the best thing since sliced bread makes your day to day life better...so be it

ruibing3481d ago

Yeah I don't get the point of him saying all that. Either his nickname is flamebait or he is hoping some consumer-level newspaper or website would quote him without doing the proper research and give MS some good PR.

The Lazy One3480d ago

Wow... I've never seen a less biased outlook on gaming

/sarcasm

here's a few things that you have dead wrong.

"* Was forced to pull the Xbox from the market early leaving Xbox owners and devlopers in a lurch "
-the Xbox is still on the market. They stopped actively supporting development on it.

"* Rushed the most defective consumer electronics item ever to market a year before the next console generation started"
-The PS2 was just as bad, and they never extended the coverage. The PS2 just didn't have the same internet for everyone to go and cry on.

"* Slapped a bunch of very expensive to manufacture desktop pc parts in a big ugly black box and tried to pass it off as a console"
-Yes, and it was a damn good console. Many times better than anything the PS2 had. It eclipsed it on every level.

"* The graphics hardware is so poorly designed and weak that 360 owners have been forced to look for real or mostly imagined minute differences in cross platform games to hype their system's 'power'."
-You do know the graphics chip on the 360 is a fair bit better than that of the PS3 don't you? the cell is the only thing making up for it.

On 360 owners. I'm not sure if you were here a few weeks ago when PS3 owners said the 360 was worse because of minute differences in brightness and hue in GTA4 despite the 360 version being significantly clearer when those two components are compensated for.

"* Wasted 50 million dollars on GTA4 only to end up with the sucky version of the game on their console with extra missions no one cares about"
-if you think the 360 version sucks there's no way you can be happy with the PS3 version.

The fact that you got 41 agrees is appalling. Only a misinformed idiot could agree with you. I'm surprised you can even look at yourself in the mirror after spouting so much bull as if it were truth. The most amazing part is you probably think everything you said is objective truth.

Hoggy19833480d ago

"The fact that you got 41 agrees is appalling. Only a misinformed idiot could agree with you. I'm surprised you can even look at yourself in the mirror after spouting so much bull as if it were truth. The most amazing part is you probably think everything you said is objective truth."

This is endemic of N4G.

Anyway, even though i own a 360 I dont actually like the article in question as i get fed up with console bashing. I just enjoy the hypocrisy of Sony fans who go mental at reading an article that criticises their console then throw back equally, if not more, ridiculous accusations at the Xbox 360. In light of this, all the comments about MS looking "desperate" by making this statement can be equally attribute to the fanboys. (gains 47 disagrees) :)

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Qbanboi3481d ago

^^ I see that someone is starting to freak out.

Neurotoxin3481d ago

He raises a few valid points, But for a company to verbally whip another is just childish. He sounded like a fanboy on a forum rant.

TresTrendu3481d ago

Wow but i remeber some article's where MS was getting bashed from sony. But that is ok..........What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Frag Monger3481d ago

I generally try to not buy into the whole 'console war' and feel that gamers should select the console they feel fits them best, but I must admit that Greenberg does make some very good points.

Sony has a well documented history of over-promising & under delivering. All the 'great' things the PS3 is supposed to offer have seen delay after delay after delay - and as Greenberg pointed out, the PS3 really hasn't had almost any boost in sales since bly-ray won the format war.

Seraphemz3481d ago

If i recall correctly, February and March, or if not then March and April, PS3 outsold the Xbox. That would be a jump wouldn't it?

And I would rather have a delay and get a better product, then have it pushed out and get a faulty one. RROD anyone?
Look at GTA4.. the delay helped.

Seraphemz3481d ago

Last time i checked, i believe that it was February and March, or March and April that the PS3 outsold the XBOX.

And I would rather have a delay and get a great product then get something rushed and get a faulty one. RROD anybody???

Look at GTA4, the delay helped it.