Fergal Gara, Marketing Director of SCE UK, mentioned that the company might eventually do without physical games at some point.
It's obvious one day physical will be gone. It's just a matter of when the horrible internet infrastructure improves.
Exactly why i won't happen for a while because people like me who live in areas where there are no wires in the ground. I have a crappy .65 Mbps and i have a limit of 20gb that i can use a month it is horrible
Wow, really? That's sad! I never understood data caps anyway. There are no caps where I live.
ive heard of these caps. gladly i live in LA and no caps on my service. but that's 1 of many reasons why the digital only era will be a looong ways off.
Sorry to hear dude. Hope you get access to better service ASAP.
i will download 20gb of nothing (porn) just for you! poor sole
20 Gb a month, huh? That blows. Since 11/15 I've downloaded Killzone Shadowfall Resogun Warframe Ryse ACIV CoD:Ghosts NFS: Rivals Forza 5 Powerstar Golf And a couple XB1 game updates that were upwards of 5 Gb (yes just for an update). If I had a 20 Gb cap I would have needed to ration that out over a whole year. O_O That really sucks man, I feel for you.
20GB is a pretty ludicrous cap. Mine is a "virtual cap" around 200GB, but if you hit it all they do is slow your connection until the end of the month. If you go over cap too often they send you a very cross email and try and upgrade you to the next tier of service (as an option of course).
yea it does suck. You know what happens if i go over a 1 gb? The charge me $30 extra for every GB i go over pure B.S.
Sorry to hear that, but unfortunately Sony and the rest of the world are moving towards this future and fast. It doesn't matter if your particular city/town can't handle the bandwidth. There are many, many parts of the world and areas that can and this is where this future is shooting for. Everywhere else will have to play catch up due to demand. Like it or not this is PSNow is the first building block for an all digital console. Imagine if this works, this could very well be the last console generation as some speculators have predicted.
You just can't let it go can you maniac. You'll parrot this until, 20 years from now, it happens and then in a grizzled voice you'll say "see, i told you it was going to happen soon." It's not going to happen soon bud, TrueJerseyDevil is part of a majority, not a minority. Get ready to wait.
^best first world problems discussion ever I went digital only with my PS4 and so far I'm loving it. Only prices and downloadspeeds need to be improved, digital should be at least 10% cheaper than physical.
@Dragon No Dragon, it's you who refuses to accept this. It's happening and it won't be 20 years from now. Just because you think it won't because Jack Tretton made a verbal promise to you doesn't make it some fantasy land, never gonna happen until the year 2350. You think Comcast stops providing On Demand cable television service because a few areas don't have cable. Do you think iTunes stops selling music because a few can't handle the bandwidth? Or Netflix isn't going full throttle forward with their streaming service by providing exclusive shows? No! Do you see Steam taking any financial losses because the MINORITY of users who do not have the bandwidth are unable to take advantage of their service? No! Just look at the many users of Steam, Xbox Live, and PSN+ and it will show you it is a majority. How about the users online for any past CoD game and tell me if it's still a minority. Redbox, Verizon, Amazon, Gamefly, Gamestop and every other company is getting into the streaming, downloading business because it is the future and it will be a standard. Keep on thinking that it won't happen because of limit caps or rural areas that don't have service. The world and especially big business doesn't stop and wait for those places to play catch up.
Cable companies have bandwidth caps for A-Make more money B-Keep TV subscription relevant as a bundle
"Compared to PS3, Vita has had a higher percentage of games bought digitally since it was first launched. More Vita games are still consumed through physical game cards than they are through digital, but things are increasingly moving the other way. Could be that in future physical games becomes the side we do without." How bout poor distribution of physical copy for Vita games?
Jesus We here have a limit of 200 GB and thought that was not enough but 20GB? They seriously need to get some better internet everywhere
Well said Maniac, I can see full defense mode from a lot of the sony fanboys already, A blind man can see that this is Sony's way of controlling their games through their service. It's only a matter of time before they offer PS4 games and this becomes the only way to play them. It'll be interesting when Sony does do away with physical games and we start to get the apologist starting to say they don't mind because "it's such a great deal" or they don't mind because "Sony provides the best exclusives". Fighting mad one minute when another company has plans to do it and then gradually accepting it when their company is right around the corner from doing it themselves.
"Sony Might Do Without Physical Games In The Future" So according to last year Sony doesn't want a digital future now. So no matter what Sony is still gearing up for all digital. But yet Sony last year said they want to keep physical copy's of games and keep things like they are. Sorry just trying to rap my head around this. Sounds like the inevitable is still happening no matter how you spin this.
That my friend is the beauty in having options.
Preparing for the future. It's gonna happen, eventually. Why wait until it's a year or two away and then try implementing all the necessary programs? Better to be ahead of the curve. And that this point, you're gonna be so far ahead of the curve you might be behind it. People keep talking about how fast this is supposedly happening- the push to all-digital- but it's not happening nearly fast enough. If it took Chattanooga, Tennessee 300 million dollars to get the whole of their city more than ready(fastest broadband in the Western hemisphere, averaging 1Gb/s), just imagine what it would cost for the rest of the country. Then expand that to the rest of the world. We're talking tens of billions, maybe even hundreds of billions of dollars here. Sony and Microsoft aren't gonna push that along. It's stupidity to think that. It's ignorance to insinuate that any majority is ready for that future, because every factual shred of evidence says only a minority of the world- gaming or at large- is remotely ready. Not saying you're making that claim, but quite a few people certainly are. Such blatant ineptitude really gets on my nerves.
A digital only future is stil a long way Not everyone can get high speed internet or has internet caps, or bad connections, ... I think it'll be like pc's While you can get "physical copies", it just installs the game on the pc's and I think that's where they are going as well That way, you don't even need internet to have a digital library only Ah well, we'll see what comes of it
So long as there are a significant number of people buying retail games to make retail profitable, we will continue to have retail games. We still have physical CD's, and it was only last year where digital downloads of songs outsold physical sales. It took close to 10 years to make that happen, as well as a bigger acceptance and more devices to make it more appealing. Lets face it. If MP3's weren't available on people's phones, physical CD sales would still command their lead. Streaming/digital sales still hasn't replaced physical movie sales either. Consumer spending habits don't change that quickly, and I don't care what most people say, the fact is there are always going to be a significant number of people that want retail. For now, digital is an option. It will likely remain an option well into the future, and the last time an all digital future was put on the gamer, it didn't go over so well. Not speaking towards you here, but it seems a lot of people have very short memories if they already forgot the backlash MS got less than a year ago over a pseudo all digital future.
I'm afraid that it will take a long time to fix our infrastructure.
Yeah...Tell me about it. Telecom...GRR
It will not they just don't want to pay for it.
A good part of the country(US) still isn't caught up with the last upgrade that started taking place about 10 years ago. It's mostly the cable/phone companies that foot the bill for this, sometimes with help from the government, but they will want to milk the profit from that for as long as possible.
Google Fiber will lead the way
Yeah...In 30 years or so
Sooner than 30 years. The US can skip all the other upgrades and go straight to fiber without really wasting money since we'll be upgrading. Other countries will have to keep what they have for some time to come. Its the way the world works.
@ The_Infected Or when digital makes more money than retail. Which could be a long away.
Till the american government does that it wont happen private industries will not touch it.
Physical will always remain, it just might not be sold through the game companies. Random companies will sell storage devices like USB Harddrives or something similar and people will store them on those, essentially allowing people to create there own 6-in-1 collection games like the old Sega Genesis days.
One day as in maybe in 100 years? Sure. One day as in 5-10 years? Highly unlikely. I'll explain why.... -Unavailability of internet, let alone fiber optic networks fast enough to download games quickly in many parts of the world where Playstation is popular. -Lack of retailer promotion. Retailers to a great job at promoting games and consoles. Without retail, this industry would be a lot smaller. We'd all be playing free-to-play crap monetized with ad revenue and/or microtransactions. -Most of us just prefer physical media. Maybe we're collectors or maybe we like owning a game and lending it to friends. Here's my prediction: Physical Media will always be here. File sizes will only continue to get bigger and bigger and I don't think the internet speeds will increase fast enough to support large games file downloads.(even in America) There will be a new format that will replace Blu-Ray, it will be hundreds of gigabytes in size.
Blu-Ray can already theoretically handle 200 GB's, and possibly more. Expandability is built into the spec itself. Game sizes were held back this gen for the bigger games mostly due to the 360 retaining a DVD drive, however, many AAA PS3 exclusives filled up those 50 GB BR discs. There may be some data duplication on BR discs, but game sizes will always grow. It's just the nature of the beast. I believe retail will have to adapt to more people using digital content. It's certainly becoming more accepted. However, go into a gamestop or best buy on the weekend, and there are a lot of people that still buy their games physically. Retail will probably always remain a choice. I still have no idea why people insist that it will be only digital one day soon(5-20 years), and that retail will go the way of the dodo. Why they would even want the choice removed is beyond me.
This is a great idea and great news because it's Sony and the PS4 that want's to do this. Always online and DRM would be good to while we're at it. But if someone other game companies wanted to try that... SCREW THAT MESS!!!!11!!ONE!!!
Hey remember when Digital only was a bad idea?? Oh, that's right, it's a good idea if Sony wants to do it. It's just a terrible idea for any other company to do it. Wake up ya meatheads... digital only is ALWAYS a bad idea, regardless of which mega corporation's idea it is. EDIT: miDnightEr you beat me to it! ;-)
Sony might go without physical games! I'm sorry to say just think another ten years until internet improves, and people will understand Sony I'm sorry to say but physical games are to be with us for a long time!
Let's not get way ahead of ourselves now!
That's what consumers did when Microsoft announced their DRM policies. And look what happened. :)
Lol and we should boycott steam too, and Xbox since they're gonna make everything cloud based
Yeah you gotta point.
So is that drm ????? I hate buying digital games btw
Yea it's on the horizon, this time in 30 transit will be all digital
I haven't bought a physical copy of a game in ages and probably never will again. I buy all my games digital on Steam, 360 and PS3. I bought GTA V digital on PS3. I think the only ones upset are gonna be collectors.
That's good for you. Question though. Why would it matter if retail goes away or stays because of your buying habits? People were upset over MS lack of ownership policies on the X1. Do you think that's going to change just because internet infrastructure can handle digital? Collectors, such as myself, like retail games. But it was made pretty clear that many people still prefer retail for their own reasons, and while more people may come around to digital like you have, it doesn't mean the rest of us should have to accept it just because it's the only option. Most reasonable people that prefer retail games don't go around telling digital enthusiast that they are wrong and shouldn't get games the way they prefer. We accept that it's a choice.
In the end retail is going away and it's gonna be digital only, you can fight it kicking and screaming, but it's going to eventually happen no matter what.
As long as physical is available, I will continue to buy physical copies of all my games
If anything, it becomes like music. Digital takes over, but physical is still readily there for the rest. If not, then guess I'll just find a new hobby.
Look, you are on a gaming forum so I highly doubt you are going to look to find a new hobby. Lets be honest here you are passionate about gaming. I think the more likely scenario is you would do your best to try and seek out a platform that uses physical media or has the least amount of restrictions but I am pretty sure you will keep gaming even if physical discs became extinct. You may hate it but you will keep on gaming. edit: OK, OK... sure he just may give it all up but being the betting person I am I just don't see "giving up" as the likely scenario. Changing how he games, where he games far more likely.
How do you know? If he says he will give it up, who are to say no he won't? If Sony ever stops making PlayStations, I will stop gaming on consoles and maybe altogether. I don't play on PC more than a few times a year, so if Sony goes, I do to.
Right now, I find it extremely hard to buy digital games. I just hate it. If a game is full price and digital, I won't touch it. I've had games that were literally 5 dollars, and I felt terrible after buying them. It just sucks to me, I rather have a collection in my house than on a hard drive. Same with comics, only reason I still buy them is to have a collection. I don't even use the free digital codes I get for them, I just go out and buy the physical issue. I'd have no problem still being involved with gaming, its just a matter of me buying less, if at all, and not being as involved in it as I am now. Taking physical out somewhat hurts the entire experience for me. you are right to an extent, I wouldn't just toss it out the door, I'd just be less enthused about it.
Then I might have to do without Sony.
And in that case, I'll stop purchasing their games in the future.
I just don't see it. It's not possible. Not until there's a way to buy digital, make backup copies, and not be required to be online while playing. And with companies going DRM crazy, they won't allow that.
its 100% possible...Steam does it now. Steam allows for offline play but there are DRM checks.
The day I can't buy a game and have the ability to sell it once I'm done, is the day I give up on modern gaming.
its the author saying that not sony. if anything sony will ask before doing not like ms.
Microsoft does it everyone freaks out. Sony does it they have an orgasm
The writing for this kind of move is definitely on the wall. Anyone who doesn't think the Playstation Now service coming to current systems isn't a test bed for the next Playstation is just in denial. Sony is launching this service now because they want to see how well it does, how many users take part, what kind of hurdles actually surface so they can iron out the kinks and most importantly they want to gauge if this service could become the "primary way" someone plays Playstation games. If they feel its viable then I have zero doubts PS5 is a 100% online downloadable and/or streaming of games system and no disc drive.
You are spot on.
You may be right. But it seems more like they are looking to expand their delivery methods to get the software into more people's hands. The fact that this could lead to PS4/5 games being played on any device is probably more a benefit to them than trying to eradicate retail. After all, software is where the money is made. They have a similar methodology with PS Mobile. it's all about expanding their user base, something that publishers are very keen on, and is the reason why so many developers publish on phones, tablets and PC's. Just sheer number of devices available makes it profitable. The bigger question is though, is PSNow something that will be viable enough to go all digital? It seems like it might be a pretty decent service if done right, and I'm sure it will change and improve as this generation continues, not unlike PS+ has done. However, I just don't see it being successful enough to completely overtake retail sales to the point where retail simply isn't profitable anymore.
I don't think that digital distribution will eradicate physical games from existence. Look at the music industry. I think that if any company tried this 'only streaming through the cloud' thing, they'd find it's more costly than they think.
Well, it wouldn't be streaming only. There could be a few ways to go full blown digital distribution. Music cds aren't as pricey as games & I wouldn't think they come close to the cost of making a game. I think the whole industry wants one big steam service or something like it. Better yet, make their own steam like digital distribution service, streaming, you name it. Anything to kill permanent games. It can still come on a disc & be vaporware in the future like PC disc games require steam.
Then I might do without Sony in the future.
Sony will not do away with physical copies. They will be losing a portion of their fan base via the ones who have limited or no internet access. They may focus more on streaming & only make physical copies of bigger budget games (AAA's, etc.), but that's it. Can you imagine if when games like GTAV released that they were DL-only? It's also not really about "collectors" being hurt over no physical copies, because the truth is that even if you have a 1TB drive it's going to get filled up rather quickly (updates, full installs, content, etc.). As for me, I just pick & choose what I want physical copies for & what I don't mind having as an install.
Digital games are so much better. More convenient: don't need physical space to store or time to move. Saves the environment: no need to transport, manufacture and store. Potential to be much cheaper: see above. More reliable: 0 digital games have been lost. They can just be redownload in the unlikely event of harddrive failure. Much faster to start gaming: What is it like 10 mins after clicking download on the new consoles? Or instant with cloud gaming. Compared to days waiting on delivery or a trip to the shop. The only plus for physical is being able to resell and lend to friends. The former should be offset by the cheaper price and to some extent the latter too. I'd gladly give up these small positives for the amazing convenience digital gives you.
"More reliable: 0 digital games have been lost. They can just be redownload in the unlikely event of harddrive failure." What do you do if the company no longer exists?
By that point your PC will be able to handle emulation and a rom will probably exist too. And I would have no problem torrenting a game years old that I owned at the time when the company no longer exists. Also, if you hold on to games from 10 years ago you'll be missing out on more advanced and possibly better experiences in the future. How often do you actually crack out the ps1/2? And how often does nostalgia fail to deliver?
I play older games (NES -> PS2) more often than I play new games, because I have more fun with them.