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Is PlayStation Now An Ignorant Replacement Of Backwards Compatibility? Or A Step Into The Future?

Nerdacy: The entire tech industry has been boasting about cloud technology over the past few years; now we actually have the capability with our shiny new consoles–the Xbox One and PS4. For the Xbox One it is notably Microsoft’s Azure servers, but with the PS4, it is the much lauded, highly anticipated Gaikai service now known as the PlayStation Now. So the question I’ve been pondering is, is this an ignorant replacement of backwards compatibility? Or a radical–perhaps logical–step into the future?

Benjaminkno3756d ago

Maybe the ONLY reason for me to move from Netflix to this.

But it sounds a little too good to be true.

So many people just use mods these days.

Irishguy953756d ago (Edited 3756d ago )

PS Now is something in between, it has it's ups and downs too. I would prefer BC but still, Psnow is awesome in it's own way. Especially because it'll make my Vita that much better.

@ Danielgearsolid, that happens all the time on this site. I mean people are completely ignoring Respawn on Titanfall and keep thinking the Ai are bots.

hakeem09963756d ago

It a way for Sony to make money of us .Charge us to play the games we already played and own instead of patching the PS4 to allow backwards compatibility .But since it's Sony it's all cool because they do no wrong .

lsujester3756d ago

Or maybe what it's actually for is a way to let people in the future who have a PS4 or Vita play great games from last-gen without having to buy another console.

I personally could care less about backwards compatibility on my PS4, because I still have a PS3. It runs those games better than any emulator will.

gaffyh3756d ago (Edited 3756d ago )

@hakeem - If you already own the game, then you would be a complete idiot if you are renting the game again? If you own the game, you own the console, so just hook the console up and play?

BC is almost completely pointless imo, I would much rather have paid less for my PS3 Phat, and rented GOW2 and SOTC2, as it would have saved me a lot of money. That's the same with PS4. It would have cost a lot more if it included BC.

Sarcasm3756d ago

It's not really exactly B/C, but who can blame Sony for ditching it as a priority when they were backlashed for the pricing of the PS3 when it first came out?

Imagine if the PS4 came out at $599 because it included the CELL chip? It probably wouldn't be the console we know it today.

NukaCola3756d ago (Edited 3756d ago )

Until BC is implemented, keep your PS3. This is a way to allow gamers who came from the 360 or just never played on PS3 to have access to a large library of games. For me, this is a really big push for my Vita gaming. It's 100% worth revisiting Fallout 3 or 3D Dot Game Heroes on Vita anywhere.

This also is the first step. More is coming. PS3 games are not the end, just the beginning.

Digital revenue is large on profit at lower prices. This is why Steam is so great. Look at Music Unlimited or Google Play? $10 a month gives you millions of dollars worth of music. Same concept. Cost efficient way of bringing a vast library of games to gamers.

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dan-goes-forth3756d ago

Not ignorant, the cost to add backwards compatibility is too high hardware wise, they would have to accommodate two completely different CPU systems, why PS3 cost sooo much more before price drop

Joe9133756d ago (Edited 3756d ago )

Exactly the fact of the matter is ppl want BC but they don't want to pay for it Sony learned from the PS3 even the PS3 started to sell better once BC was taken out.
And Sony themselves said this is not bc so no point for this article and it is more than fair cause if you subscribe you have access to what ever games they have on the service

webeblazing3756d ago

but get this they could allow people who brought content on the ps store to have unlimited rental one their games that that had brought. people bash steamos and steamboxes so much on this site, but games that you brought that only support windows will be streamed to the steamos for FREE. know why because you paid for it to keep customers coming back to buy more games.

ps now sounds like a great service but a slap in the face to people that supported in their DDs service. i see no point in buying anything from the store anymore. it will not be supported in the long term like other DDs. im better of just getting ps now and ignore that the ps store exist

i thinks its a great service but it rubs me the wrong way how people let companies get over on them because they own their products, when you should be asking to be treated right.

i know im not the only person that brought a ton of games on the ps store that felt disappointed about BC. but when you bring out a service that stream previous console games that you brought from that same company, and say to play them you have to pay a sub or rent them is ridiculous. they could easily check gamers transaction record to see. this will lower the value of ps store cause now knowing this what the point in buying a game from their.

i know people gonna bash me because its sony, but keep in mind this is the start. every gen gamers overlook stuff and by the end say "how did this happen?" its because the focus on console wars and an attitude of my company is better than yours instead of paying attention how this effect all gamers.

Thatguy-3103756d ago (Edited 3756d ago )

PlayStation Now ISN'T BC. Sony has stated it already. As for the whole repurchasing or renting the same game again I guess it can be seen as unfair. However only because you purchase a copy doesn't entitle you to get any FUTURE perks. You bought that copy alone and you can do as you please with that copy that you bought for that one console.

DanielGearSolid3756d ago

Its sad... Ppl are literally ignoring a direct statements from Sony, just to make useless opinion articles

admiralvic3756d ago

The far more likely reason is reason is that they either didn't see the article or wrote their articles first. Sometimes people finishes these articles right after it happens, but it ends up in "editor h*ll" and might take hours to get reviewed and then the article gets scheduled to launch during a peak time (like 9 am pst), which might be after a statement or the site decides to run the article regardless.

XiSasukeUchiha3756d ago

how is PSNow is ignorant now make me laugh

NexGen3756d ago

Lol admiral. You think that dumpy site has an editor? It's a kid who hits submit and it's done.

maniacmayhem3756d ago

@Daniel

Just like a lot of people ignoring direct statements from Respawn about how their game is played.

That is why it is not good for a developer to take direct criticism from the majority of the people when most of them have no clue how their product works or plays.

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jmac533756d ago

exactly, I dont expect to get a game of the year edition for free just because I purchased the game at launch. It's a risk I took.

webeblazing3756d ago

so if you brought a digital copy of the game from the store what going to happen in the later years. people try not to see the point gamers are making here. how long will the support last on ps3( a little far fetch). if it dont and you cant download games to your system anymore. but if they let you use ps now to stream games you digital brought it would makes sense to dl more games (more money for them). so what is the point of people buying games on ps store now that they announced this.

people seem not to grasp the main complains are from the people like myself that brought a tons of digital games. sony has access to our records they can easily give their supporters free unlimited rentals for their games.

its funny that people are not seeing this and they are blindly defending this. it only gonna get worst on consoles if yall keep this attitude. no companies get away with this accept consoles because yall allow them. even on steam they give you cd keys and stuff so if something happen you can dl directly from pub or dev site. in the early stages of steamos the steamboxes are not going to be able to play windows only games, but they are going to let stream games you brought to the os.

why are console only gamers standards this low. people should be speaking up like they did to MS because the real people getting shafted are the supporters of the ps store.

kingdip903756d ago

So what your saying is if I own a bunch of movies on say vhs a format I no longer have a player for then I should be able to stream those movies for free from a service like netflix.

If your backwards logic doesn't get you infuriated at netflix then it shouldn't ps now either.

You pay for a streaming service end of story, individual content and ownership doesn't matter just like with netflix.

If your looking for a way to tear apart cloud gaming and digital media your barking up the wrong tree and if your looking for any excuse just to bash Sony then your just wasting your time.

webeblazing3756d ago

why do yall use the worst example you are not buy a vhs movie and wanting free streaming from netflix. we brought digital games from sony's ps store and the are coming with the ps now so whats so hard about letting people who supported your digital store with free rentals. people try so hard to spin this with the worst analogy.

if netflix so digital moves you would be able to download and stream the movie, but they dont do they. they only stream and mail movies. sony sell games and now stream it. i dont even get how you got physical copy out of when my statement was about digital. do you know when you buy a digital movie on amazon you can stream it any time from any where so wheres you point with that one. i am talking about digital games we have brought. yall so quick to define and spin every thing someone say about sony. this is not the first time i use or seen streaming.

and backward logic would be to pay a ton of money on digital contain and have a company tell me their not gonna support BC but i could rent the same game i brought on their store (even if its streaming). people act like digital media and streaming is so new. like i said if you brought a digital movie you can stream it. cloud gaming is not new never had a problem even when people constantly bashing onlive. steam is going to let its users to stream games for BC. i think its a great service but they slapped everyone in the face that supported ps store.

you say your piss and criticize a company and fanboys try to spin things every chance they get. using netflix as an example when the dont sell digital is retarded. and by them doing what i said the would have to worry about future console being BC and can push people towards buying more digital games on their store.

Eonjay3756d ago

Is it arrogant to offer a service that will allow people to have access to an incredible library of games that they may have never played or wish to experience again. No.

This service also allows them to keep the price of the PS4 down by not having to pack in the CELL.

Death3756d ago

http://www.isuppli.com/Tear...

In 2008 the Cell cost $37. 5 years later, it's under $20. I don't know about you, but $420 for a B/C PS4 sounds pretty reasonable. How long before consumers reach $20 in Now fees?

Sony used their Playstation fanbase to win the next gen optical format war. Now they are using their fans and library of games to sell more TV's, tablets, phones, and PC's. It's all about the money. They are a business, so that's pretty much to be expected,

Eonjay3756d ago

Its not as simple as adding a cell for $20. It includes the price of including it on the same board and somehow compensating for the added heat. The end result may be more expensive than is necessary given the existence and availability of the PS3 for those who dont already own it.

The point is that if you already own a game for the PS3, then chances are that you may already own the console as well. If that is the case then it will cost you nothing to continue playing. This service doesn't render you current media unplayable.

PSNow offers access to games that you may not own.

DanielGearSolid3756d ago

What about the ppl that don't nees backwards compatibility (the majority)

They have to pay the extra for a feature they wont use?

admiralvic3756d ago (Edited 3756d ago )

The cell is not the one and only deciding factor in terms of enabling BC. For instance, the PS4 is quite different than the PS3 in terms of architecture and would (as far as I understand) need to emulate the PS3's OS in order to play these games.

This means the specs would need to be higher, since emulation is not a simple task (I've heard it takes roughly 4x more power than the original machine, though I am not really into this sort of thing). This also means the system would need to be redesigned to both facilitate the BC, compensate for the increased heat / different hardware configuration, additional R&D time to implement this stuff and a number of other things that would come into play.

So while adding the cell might cost however many dollars, it is not a matter of simply adding a chip and BC suddenly works. I mean, if it was that simple, then Sony would have just done it. Allowing people to get rid of their PS3 would make the PS4 have several times more demand than it already has.

@ DanielGearSolid

Obviously you would just have to ****ing deal with it. A lot of consoles have features I don't want, yet I still ultimately have to pay for said features. For the 3DS that is 3D and all three cameras. For the Vita, that would be the back touchscreen, both cameras and pointless add ons, like the light for the PS button. While I don't want or even need (per se, some games force me to use them), I still ultimately have to pay the cost, just like you would ultimately have to pay for the BC and whatever stupid features you might not care about, but Sony decided to add.

Outside_ofthe_Box3756d ago (Edited 3756d ago )

Wow, admiralvic saved me a ton of typing lol.

I can't believe you brought up that notion, Death. If it were that simple why not just buy the chip and put in a PC? Would save PC gamers a ton of money instead of having to buy a console just to play it's exclusives lol.

Also how is PS Now an attempt to sell more TVs, tablets, phones, and PCs? Focus should be on selling PS Now as a valuable and desirable product itself first, before you can even think about using it to sell other devices.

Hicken3756d ago

Yes, Death. You can just toss a Cell into a PC and not have to do ANYTHING else. It'll work perfectly right alongside whatever's already in there, with no need to upgrade anything else. No need to create extra software or drivers for existing drivers.

Just plug it right in.

asyouburn3756d ago

$20 x 4.2 mil is like 84 million dollars

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MrSwankSinatra3756d ago (Edited 3756d ago )

I shouldn't have to pay extra for games i already own. People tend to be blind to the reason why people prefer backwards compatibility over this streaming service. The thing that gets me IS SONY! are the ones who introduced backwards compatibility to the industry, an now suddenly it's okay to not have it but instead pay a subscription for games you already own. why should i or anyone else for that matter have to keep re-buying games? Sony says they're pro-gamer but we weren't even given an option of backwards compatibility. at the very least re-release the PS3 with full BC of PS1 & PS2 Games. instead of just having it, to where you either having to shell out for a PS2 or BC PS3 for an inflated price.

DanielGearSolid3756d ago (Edited 3756d ago )

You DO NOT HAVE to buy your games again.

They still work on your Ps3

Sony did not tell you to get rid of your ps3

BC costs money, Ps4 wouldve been more expensive... So now Sony would be forcing the cost of BC on everyone, including ppl that don't want/need it.

You ARE spoiled

@MrSwank
The free stream was a mistake, I was subconsciously responding to another comment, I fixed it. My mistake

MrSwankSinatra3756d ago

@DanielGearSolid First off i didn't sell my PS3, an secondly where in the HELL did i mention free streams? obviously you can't read.

kingdip903756d ago (Edited 3756d ago )

It's a Netflix like service... Netflix has a bunch of movies I already own and thousands that I dont. Netflix don't charge me to watch movies I already own they charge me to access their library regardless of what I own.

You pay for the streaming service not the individual games.

iamnsuperman3756d ago (Edited 3756d ago )

"I shouldn't have to pay extra for games i already own"

This is a misconception as you don't buy games, you buy games for a particular platform. If I own GTA V on the PS3 I don't get the 360 copy for free. I would have to rebuy that. Same with COD. If I had the PS3 version but I wanted to play it on a PS4 I would have to get a PS4 version. As it was early on in the cycle an incentive was created to move people over to newer platforms and, which is the main reason why it was created, to get people to buy the last gen version and not just wait for it to be released on the newer systems. Look more carefully at what you are really buying

On your other point BC is just too expensive now. It was great to have as the cost of the system wasn't affected. Now it does. The PS3 proved this with its insane price. Since the architecture, for the PS4, is different you would need to put a PS3 (and PS2 if you want to go that far) inside a PS4. This is now too costly to do. Sony may have introduced it but that was at a different time (things change)

Silly gameAr3756d ago (Edited 3756d ago )

People tend to be blind about the games that you can play that you haven't played that will be on PSNow, then the ones that you already own and can play at anytime.

No BC is just an excuse for people to be able to poke holes in PSnow and find something negative that's not even a big deal to most people.

People like you always sound like you want the most for less to me anyway.

grassyknoll3756d ago

Should you get films on Netflix because you bought the DVD 10 years ago?

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solar3756d ago

imho all consoles should be BC.

dboyman3756d ago

If you want TRUE BC, its has to be H/W BC. In order for that to happen, be prepared for paying more for consoles....

BoriboyShoGUN3755d ago

People want everything for free! The original PS3 had backwards compatibility, a decent hard-drive, built in WiFi, and Blu-Ray!!! And all people bitched about was the cost. You can't please these people no matter what you do. This is an OPTIONAL SERVICE!!!

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Nanukas440d ago

Good, i want sony to feel heat. Ordinary people win from good competition.

BehindTheRows440d ago

“Good competition” is not something Microsoft offers often. You should want THEM to feel enough heat to actually do better.

Nanukas440d ago (Edited 440d ago )

Agree. I wish sony would be more afraid of gamepass to get better games on ps+

Obscure_Observer440d ago (Edited 440d ago )

"You should want THEM to feel enough heat to actually do better."

Phil Spencer started to acquire studios back in 2018, after that, Xbox Studios only had 5 studios. Now Xbox has 23 almost 5x more studios. Not to mention third party exclusives like Flight Simulator, Contraband and Project Dragon.

Plus, unlike Sony, Xbox Studios won´t be distracted with things like VR, all of their first party efforts goes towards Xbox first and foremost.

Sony so can expect a much more robust Gamepass in terms of first party and third party exclusives games from Xbox from now on.

Since Sony have less studios and won´t release their games day one on PS+, they better make sure andl deliver high quality games like Ragnarok. Because so far, 2023 hadn´t started well for them with Forspoken.

https://www.videogameschron...

Sony spent millions to secure a AAA third party exclusive game build from the ground up for PS5, not to mention more millions spent on market to be outperformed by a AA game which costs less than half on Steam, had an EPIC day one surprise announcement AND release with ZERO money invested on promotion and marketing.

If that´s not good competition, I don´t know what it is.

BehindTheRows440d ago

@Obscure_Observer

It isn’t.

Obscure_Observer440d ago (Edited 440d ago )

"It isn’t."

Oh yes, it is. You can bet your life that both companies cares about their money and investments.

The simple fact that Sony continues to pay multiple publishers to keep games out of Xbox forever, is nothing but a reaction to Gamepass.

Imo, Sony now fears that once their timed-exclusive contracts ends, those games will be available on Gamepass the moment the said games hits the Xbox platforms.

Sony fears the scenario where gamers realize that it´s not worth to invest in every single game released on Playstation at full $70 once they´ll be getting it for "free" on Gamepass eventually, just like Yakuza, Dragon Quest, Octopath Traveler, Nino Kuni, Persona series and more.

ARK 2 (exclusive on Xbox consoles), S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2( exclusive on Xbox consoles), Flintlock, Wo Long, Atomic Hears, Lies of P, Eiyuden Chronicle, Hollow Knight: Silksong. Minecraft: Legends, MLB 23...

Those are just some of the games that Xbox players will be getting for "free" day one while Playstation gamers will have to pay for all of it.

So at least you´re rich or something, Xbox players will be getting way more NEW games to play than you. That´s just facts.

BehindTheRows440d ago (Edited 440d ago )

@Obscure_Observer

I can bet that one company brings actual competition, isn’t afraid to share losing numbers, and doesn’t buy huge publishers due to said weaknesses. That’s what I can bet.

As a fan of theirs, you should want them to do better and offer more than subscriptions services and unfulfilled promises.

tay8701440d ago (Edited 440d ago )

@obscure. Well Sony can't control 3rd party games quality, but their 1st party certainly trounces MS's. Spiderman 2 is going to a absolutely dominate the holiday season, just like ragnarok did this past holiday season. Sony easily has the best gaming studios out of the big three. It's.not Sony who has to worry about their 1st part output, it is MS.

MIDGETonSTILTS17440d ago

@Obscure: what AAA games would I buy an XsX today to play?

I own a ps5 and XsX, and I don’t know of one game that would have motivated me to buy an XsX ( I bought it to appease my dumb Xbot friends).

I bought a ps5 for Demon Souls (best looking game on consoles), Returnal (top 10 game of all time for me), and Dualsense upgrades for shooters (completely changes R6 for me).

So, can you illustrate how XsX is competing? I liked HiFi Rush a lot, High on Life too, but neither make we happy about the $500 I sunk into the hardware to play them.

Mr_cheese440d ago

Obscurer, you're saying an awful lot without talking much sense at all.

VR isn't a distraction, neither does it take games away from playstation. Sony have been building and harnessing studios just for this while working on their 1st party none VR titles.

Microsoft is fully committed to gamepass and that's fine for them and those that like to game that way. It will be an even better product if Microsoft can nail their 1st party games.

What I'd hate to see are more moves like the Activision and Bethesda purchases and attempts because it destroys the gaming ecosystem. I'd say the same for Sony as well because once the ball is rolling, they'll all start buying and diving gaming.

Obscure_Observer440d ago (Edited 440d ago )

"I can bet that one company brings actual competition, isn’t afraid to share losing numbers, and doesn’t buy huge publishers due to said weaknesses. That’s what I can bet."

Unfortunately for you, MS or Nintendo aren´t forced to play by yours or Sony´s rules. Fyi, Sony used to buy publishers back in the day. The only reason they aren´t doing it now is simply because they can´t.

As it is, Sony already owns 14.09% of Kadokawa´s shares while Tencent acquired 16% of the company's shares, which means 1/3 of the entire company ownership.

The only reason why Tencent owns more than Sony is because Sony couldn´t pay more for it. So spare me from this "victim complex" bs defense for Sony.

Phil acted as the "nice guy" for too long. To the point where stupid fanboys were all happy when Xbox acquired new studios and publishers, because the idiots were under the illusion that all future Xbox games would become multiplatform and be released on Playstation.

Yeah, they were stupid to the point of thinking that MS would turn into a third party developer for Playstation.

Reality hits hard and here we are. Now that they KNOW those games aren´t coming to Playstation, all that they can do now is cry and moan over games paid and developed by Microsoft to not be on their platform of choice.

They think they´re entitled to have anything and everything otherwise it´s not good competition.

Phil Spencer won´t stop. Be the Activision/Blizzard deal approved or not, he can just go after a single studio like CDPR for example and you´ll be here crying all the same.

I don´t care if Sony or Nintendo buys SquareEnix, From Software or even SEGA tomorrow. Because I have no problem buying products from those companies if they have the games I want. I care about games first and foremost. So don´t expect me to be on your sad place complaining about big a$$ companies running their business as they see fit.

Lightning77440d ago

"You should want THEM to feel enough heat to actually do better."

But when they do attempt to do better ppl complain about it.

BehindTheRows440d ago

@Lightning77

What genuine attempts have people complained about?

Lightning77438d ago

With the whole Bethesda thing. There was article on here not too long ago talking about how Bethesda investment will pay off for MS. The whole comment section everyone was whining about how MS was taking games away. So when MS competes everyone here complains on here. No matter what MS hurts feelings. It's quite funny actually.

BehindTheRows438d ago

@Lightning77

In other words, outside of publisher acquisitions, they have not really attempted to compete.

And "whining" happens on both sides, so I hope you are just as entertained when people bitch and moan about moves Sony makes.

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Crows90440d ago

Ps+ extra already has better games than gamepass. Just look at the highest scoring games...ps extra has more of them.

Obscure_Observer440d ago

Lol. What a joke.

PS+ relies on old games. Gamepass not only has day one first party games but also day one third party as well. Even from Sony. XD

S2Killinit440d ago (Edited 440d ago )

Exactly. “Day one” is a buzz word that makes these guys think they have a better line up but it has not amounted to much. If you look at what they have at any given time on their service its not that rosy. Not to mention “day one” also exists on PS plus just not for the first party AAA story games (which is fine w me as long as they continue making the hits).

Check out their list of day one releases for all the years they had gamepass. Its a joke.

Crows90440d ago (Edited 440d ago )

@obscure

I'd take good old games then new Bad games. Besides that wasn't his point and that has nothing to do with what I claimed. The op said that they should offer better games but they already offer better games. He did not say new games. Or even New Quality games. But to your point, I know that game pass lovers do enjoy their day one bad or mediocre games. It's all about value with you guys and not quality

GamingSinceForever440d ago

Some are going ape shit over Hi-Fi Rush but completely forgot about the Tokyo Wire dud the same developer last released. My point being there are hits and misses.

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Obscure_Observer440d ago (Edited 440d ago )

" It's all about value with you guys and not quality"

Lol. Your false narrative didn´t aged well.

All Metacritic scores for day one first party games
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Ori and the Will of the Wisps 92 on Metacritic
Flight Simulator 90 on Metacritic
Forza Horizon 5 92 on Metacritic
Halo Infinite 87 on Metacritic
Grounded 85 on Metacritic
Pentiment 87 on Metacritic
Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition 87 on Metacritic
Hi-Fi Rush 88 on Metacritic

And that´s only from first party games/IPs on Xbox series consoles.

So much for your "quality vs quantity" BS narrative.

Oh, and we "Gamepass Lovers" also love old quality games as well. I also can give you a large list of high quality third party on Gamepass. Just ask. ;)

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GamingSinceForever440d ago

@Obscure_Observer… Forspoken was not a 1st party game from Sony nor should it be treated as such. Square Enix will comeback nicely with FFXVI I’m sure.

Besides Sony is entitled to some misses here and there because they actually take chances on new titles and release them regularly.

Bu the time Spiderman 2 releases everyone will have forgotten all about this terrible start you’re claiming.

Crows90440d ago

They're so anxious to try to nail Sony on something that they'll even bring up third party developers not under Sony. Oh look this time's exclusive that wasn't developed by a Sony studio was bad so Sony doesn't know how to do good games.

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Obscure_Observer440d ago

"@Obscure_Observer… Forspoken was not a 1st party game from Sony nor should it be treated as such. Square Enix will comeback nicely with FFXVI I’m sure."

In no moment I said it´s a first party game. Both Forspoken and FFXVI are exclusive Playstation 5 games which Sony invested large sums of money to secure to their platform. Just like the original Spiderman from Insomniac. (which till this day Sony fans treat it like a first party/IP)

So it´s pretty obvious if the game fails, Sony also fails and loses tons of money which could had been invested on first party games.

"Besides Sony is entitled to some misses here and there because they actually take chances on new titles and release them regularly."

True.

"Bu the time Spiderman 2 releases everyone will have forgotten all about this terrible start you’re claiming."

Also true. The same can be said about FFXVI, imo.

Abear21440d ago

The leader, Nintendo, doesn’t care what the competition does.

Obscure_Observer440d ago

"The leader, Nintendo, doesn’t care what the competition does."

Couldn´t agree more

BehindTheRows440d ago

The Switch is leading the PS5 because it launched three years prior. PS4 won last gen is all forms (money made, units sold, software totals).

No hate for Nintendo though, as they are another company who actually puts out quality games in high numbers, but just a little perspective.

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Orchard440d ago

“In 2022, Microsoft took the lead with 60-70% of total MAUs”

From 20-30% up to 60-70%? That’s some crazy growth. Probably thanks to Fortnite.

SurgicalMenace440d ago

That's what's up, young fella. You feel better now?

The Wood440d ago

All the other stats dont matter. Especially the ones where ps is tearing xbox a new one

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Obscure_Observer440d ago

“In 2022, Microsoft took the lead with 60-70% of total MAUs”

Probably one of reasons why Sony won´t return Activision´s calls.

BehindTheRows440d ago

Oh, yeah, THAT must be it….

Outside_ofthe_Box440d ago

You're not asking for numbers now, I noticed? 🤣

Orchard440d ago (Edited 440d ago )

Oops, somebody didn't read the article.

This isn't a "YoY increase". It's market share, so we know they had 60-70% of the streaming market.

MIDGETonSTILTS17440d ago

That’s why we game: to celebrate YoY growth!

Three cheers for first-party content-starving fueling third party max’s and subscriptions.

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Tacoboto440d ago

What a clickbait headline. Why mention 2021, when the tides turned in 2022 for the obvious reason of one company making the Cloud service one of their biggest marketing pushes throughout the entire year while the other company was able to promote the games they had coming out?

And it's imprudent to suggest crazy growth when we only know proportions - did Xbox grow its proportion by attracting from the competitors' bases, did their marketing pay off and attract new users, or did cloud gamers on competitors just not play as much? The MAU figures don't point to shifts as significant as the Cloud proportions do, and Microsoft's lack of raw subscriber numbers that they happily boasted about in 2021 is telling too.

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56 Games to Leave PS Now in May Including Metal Gear Solid 4

The PlayStation Brahs:

"Playstation Now will soon cease as exist as it combines with PlayStation Plus to be one super subscription, titles that won't carryover to the PlayStation Plus revamp will begin to leave the service in May."

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Orchard729d ago

Wait, what? I thought PS+ premium would carry over the games from PSNow?

Also this basically leaves MGS4 dead in the boneyard unless you play via RPCS3…

TGGJustin729d ago

That was never going to be the case. Sony said that Premium would have 340 PS3, PS2, and PS1 games. There are like 400 PS3 games alone on PS Now right now so it was obvious some of them weren't going to carry over.

darthv72729d ago

If they are just combining forces... there is no reason why any games would leave. Unless they were already planning on removing them regardless of the merge (licensing issues).

Orchard729d ago

MGS could be licensing I guess - isn’t the HD collection still unavailable / in licensing hell?

I’d like to think Konami are yanking everything MGS because they’re about to announce a 1-5 collection but… we know Konami better than that.

TGGJustin729d ago (Edited 729d ago )

I forgot to include PSP in my comment. So yeah you can see that when Sony says there will be 340 PS3, PS2, PS1, and PSP games while there are currently 400 PS3 games on PS Now that a good chunk of those current PS3 games are going away. They aren't just rolling them all onto the new PS+ otherwise the number would be much higher than 340

Orchard728d ago

Yeah I guess I just never really did the math on the numbers they announced so this caught me off guard.

Eonjay728d ago

PSnow is a platform and it will not exist after next month. Them being on one service doesn't automatically mean that they will be on another service. Contracts are drawn up and compensation may include things like per player reimbursement. Therefore you shouldn't automatically expect a game to go from one platform to another.... if Sony can strike a deal with Konami then the game will come to plus (if it already hasn't been decided).

But to be clear all PSNow games are leaving the service because the service will cease to exist.

JackBNimble726d ago

400 ps3 games that you have " no Choice" but to stream, doesn't make me want to upgrade ps+ . As it is , if you keep the basic ps+ you're going to lose1of the 3 games a month to begin with.

Nothing here for the new upcoming service seems like a worthwhile subscription.

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ApocalypseShadow728d ago (Edited 728d ago )

Or, you know, you could play it on an actual PS3.

If you don't have one there's almost 90 million systems to track down, cop one and do that.

Here's the game too
https://www.ebay.com/itm/40...

Orchard728d ago

Is that you Don Mattrick?

The ideal solution would be a proper back compat implementation.

I shouldn’t have to crack out my 16 year old console to play a legendary game like MGS.

Also MGS was basically a PS franchise yet somehow it’s now basically an Xbox franchise if you want to play it nowadays.

Hopefully the new “preservation” team at Sony tackle this problem.

mkis007728d ago

Orchard

4 isnt on xbox. Incomplete series on xbox. Pc you would need now.

Orchard728d ago

@mkis The PC is always the place where you can get everything thanks to emulators etc.

But still, XSX and XB1 plays substantially more metal gear games than any other recent console, so my statement stands true.

King_Noctis728d ago

Or you know, you could play it on the console that you ACTUALLY HAVE without having to resort to ebay to buy a a console from two gen ago with scalper’s price.

itsmebryan728d ago (Edited 728d ago )

I have a OG PS3 (big boy) just gathering dust. I think it even plays PS2 games. I guess I'll put it on eBay.

thornintheside728d ago (Edited 728d ago )

so basically throw money at the problem.

sure it works, as long as not everyone is doing it. Is it ideal?....maybe for the sellers

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ApocalypseShadow728d ago

Oh. So orchard can lie and say that the only way to play the game is through an emulator. Which is false.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13...
Here's a console for $50 and 7 games. Buy MGS4 above and that's 55 bucks before shipping. Can play it forever.

Orchard728d ago

“Also this basically leaves MGS4 dead in the boneyard unless you play via RPCS3…”

Looks like what I wrote is accurate if your only alternative is to go on eBay and buy a console from 3 generations ago which is no longer manufactured.

Thanks for reinforcing my point.

TravsVoid728d ago

I agree you should buy a PS3 if you are really interested in it's games but don't come on here linking to a eBay auction that has a price that will definitely increase before it ends and act like that is what they sell for. More accurate prices seem to be around $100.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i....

Only reason I want PS3 emulation on PS5 is because a lot of the original games aren't even 1080p, some even sub 720p and we could see these games up to 4k and smoother framerates on PS5.

Z501728d ago

He forgets. Some of us still have PS3's. So, RPCS3 is NOT the only way.

SonyStyled728d ago (Edited 728d ago )

Orchard, PSNow has 800+ games. PS+ Premium was announced for 700+ games. Some games were expected to be removed as one service cancelled and combined for another, and now we know which ones. What are you so surprised about, or did you not know PS+ Premium was loosing 100 games from PSNow while simultaneously being compared to a Gamepass competitor?
And yes actually, a lot of lifetime PS gamers have a PS3. I have one in my living room with the rest of my consoles and one in my bedroom. They aren’t like ancient record players today like their competing consoles. The PS3 came with features we expect today in a new device that were very premium for 2006 hardware. I can use my PS3 as a blu-ray player in 2022. I can’t with my 360 since 2005. I can also put MGS4 in my PS3 in 2022, or any of my 220+ on the game shelf.

I think you’re scaling PS gamers abandoning their prior consoles at the rate Xbox gamers did with the 360 and One. If you are a gamer and enjoy PS, chances are you don’t have to ‘crack’ out a 16 year old device and suffocate on the floor in a web of cords around your neck wishing we were loyal to Phil Spencer to swoop in like Superman to save us from imminent death

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outsider1624728d ago

I sure hope MGS4 comes to PS pass or whatever. It's the one game i want to replay. Man i loved that game.

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Petebloodyonion728d ago

It's actually a lot of games that will leave at the same time.
Probably to leave some space for the PSP games that are gonna be added to the premium service.
As for MGS4, I would expect Konami to be behind the move.

TheColbertinator728d ago (Edited 728d ago )

Unfortunate that MGS4 is leaving regardless. Played it with PSNow on PC and enjoyed having one of my favorite PS3 games to play again.

TravsVoid728d ago

It's going to suck if these PSP and PS2 games they are referencing are the few already released on PS4 store which were included with PS Now.

Cackocacho728d ago

Ah, yes. Bask in the "service" era. Where what you see today, is not what you'll see tomorrow, thanks to an overcomplicated system.

The "service", is simply, off the charts.

gangsta_red728d ago

Complicated how?

Also, you can always buy the game. Just like other services that offer third party content, they are on their for a limited time or however long the contract holds.

BrainSyphoned728d ago

Well, yes, when I subscribe to a service I hope to have different games cycle through. PS Now gives you a time frame to finish the games you want to try and Xbox is generally a year for most titles. They both give warning when titles are leaving. There are multiple web pages dedicated to each service if you need help figuring out which carton of milk needs finished first.

TravsVoid728d ago

Big difference between PS Now games leaving that are only available for streaming and games you can purchase even if they leave the service. Every game on Game Pass you can purchase without a subscription unlike PS Now.

thornintheside728d ago (Edited 728d ago )

im not really sure how the complexity of the PS3 architecture, and the "service" era are related. They seem like two completely separate entities with no interaction worthy of mentioning. Maybe you meant it as a problem that can exists in both entities.

Vengeance1138728d ago

So when games leave PS Now, it's a huge issue but when games leave GamePass it's just fine? All subscription services have games / movies leave all the time.

Vengeance1138728d ago

Everyone whining and crying in this comment section?

TravsVoid728d ago

You can still purchase every single Game Pass game regardless of if it's on the service. If a PS3 game leaves PS Now it's gone for good, do you understand the difference?

Bathyj728d ago

I do.
You're saying owning a game is better than renting it. I agree.

King_Noctis728d ago

I think it is the other way around.

GoodGuy09728d ago

This is why I dislike subscriptions lol.

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This PlayStation Now 12-Mos. Sub Link Is Still Live at $59,99, and Nets a Huge PS Premium Discount

Get PS Plus Premium at half off the price by subscribing to PS Now for 12 months! Sony has pulled the annual offer on PSN, but here are live links offering it for US and UK.

Extermin8or3_752d ago (Edited 752d ago )

Umm ever consider it will probably just give you the basic ps plus for one year and you will need to upgrade to get the premium one?

porkChop752d ago

No, I believe Sony stated that existing PS Now subs would be converted to PS+ Premium subs.

Nitrowolf2752d ago

they confirmed that PS NOw Subs would convert into Premium. So essentially pay $60 now and come June u get PS Plus, and all the other perks in premium at half the original cost

Gamer75751d ago

For us here in Aotearoa PS+ Premium isn't going to be available straight away so we will have the deluxe version of it instead

Teflon02751d ago

You can ignore the fact they literally specified PS Now users will get converted to premium at no extra cost lol

Silly gameAr752d ago

They could give it to us for a dollar to get those numbers up before it launches.

Just kidding.

Andrew336752d ago

Hahahah so funny.

Just kidding.

Silly gameAr752d ago

Hey, I give 2 ishs what you say!

Just kidding.

rippermcrip751d ago

Microsoft has been way more desperate than that. All you have to do is let your subscription lapse and you can sign up for $1 again.

They've had countless promos giving away free weeks and months with all kinds of crap (cereals, poptarts, drinks, chips, candy).

brewin751d ago

You think that's desperation but it's how you get people hooked on your service. Once people have it for a while they're going to want to keep it. I don't know a single person that has a game pass subscription that has let it lapse. I've been out of my free zone for about 6 months now. I keep finding the 3 months cards for 20 bucks so every time I see that deal I buy 2 or 3 more more. I'm sure Sony will have some promos for their service too.

rippermcrip750d ago

There's a difference between a free/discount trial for new subscribers vs letting a user let their subscription lapse and then immediately sign up for the free trial again.

No subscription services do that except GP.

Everyone you know has signed up for GP and then never let it go? Ya right. They'd have 100 million active subscribers if that were true.

gerbintosh752d ago

Don't let the link open in the app, it doesn't work. Open it in a web browser and it will work

excaliburps752d ago

This. You need to open in a web browser or it won't load.

theindiearmy752d ago

The link in the article goes to a page that says "Not available for purchase." When I click on the link from the Twitter post, it works though. https://twitter.com/Wario64...

IanTH751d ago

Good catch. I even almost went ahead and did it, but I question if I really, truly need any more games to play than I already have lol. I tend to kind of underutilize subscription game services.

theindiearmy751d ago

At the end of the day, it's $60 for PS+ essentials to play online multiplayer anyway. So may as well stack up on this and get access to the games for nothing more.

jlove4life751d ago

App won't load and ps Now Not available for purchase upon opening website

IanTH751d ago

See theinidarmy post above, clicking the link from the tweet actually does work. So if you're interested, give it a shot.

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