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Respawn: “When People Start Playing Titanfall Like Titanfall, Player Count Becomes a Non-Issue”

The news about the 6 vs 6 player count of Respawn Entertainment's Titanfall have stirred quite a reaction in the fanbase, with players dividing in different camps criticizing the design decision or defending it.

Respawn has passionately defended the choice in a few occasions, and Lead Designer Justin Hendry implied that people still haven't understood what the game is all about.

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XiSasukeUchiha929d ago

Álright then let's proof be shown !

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Hatsune-Miku929d ago

From the graphics and player count of titanfall the game can easily be ported to the ps vita.

georgeenoob929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

More Sony fans being first to comment, don't you guys have games to play?

OT: ANYBODY that played Titanfall will say it's an amazing game, which is why it's the most anticipated game of 2014. Meanwhile we have Sony fans who'll never play Titanfall let alone buy an Xbox nitpick the game to death. Maybe if people still thought this was a timed exclusive they wouldn't give two sh**s about player count.

Unreal01929d ago InappropriateShow
Necro_559929d ago

God i hate people like you. This is total BS. Have you played it? Honestly? Have you? Exactly, shut your mouth. Your the reason i hate the gaming community.

AngelicIceDiamond929d ago

@Miku Yep graphics matter. That's why KZ is the most traded in game for PlayStation.

Gameplay comes first. If I wanted to see realistic trees and water all day then I would just go outside and see it for real.

Yeah, aren't everything. Important, but not everything.

Septic929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

The usual suspects quick to chime in praying that the game sucks because it's not on their platform of choice. So sad...

Titanfall has a very different pace to the majority of games you have played before. When I played it, it was absolutely manic...seriously...sh*t got real very quick and what followed was such a fun experience. It didnt feel like 6v6...not at all.

Titans dropping from the skies all around you...players whizzing by wall running and jet packing...rockets flying by. ..

This is a game that takes the pace of games like Quake and marries it with your more recent shooters. Its about quality not quantity.

So for all the arm chair experts mocking the game without playing it, speculating on so-called tech experts saying that the game is gimped whilst completely ignoring what Respawn have stated over and over and for those fanboys DESPERATE for things to go wrong with Titanfall....wait till March...then you'll see all your ill founded and baseless 'concerns' get crushed as Titanfall drops down.

Titanfall is going to be beastly. Watch this space.

Concertoine929d ago

they just said theres more than 50 combatants running around on titanfall, and the AI has a different role than just bots, and they've said before the AI itself is very complex.
the vita is a handheld, a powerful one at that, so naturally it couldn't handle a game like titanfall.

NewMonday929d ago

"players whizzing by wall running and jet packing"

that's the problem, half of them are bots, this just kills the hype.

and if numbers don't matter why didn't Respawn reveal this months ago?

and this game is also on the PC, so XB1 fans should stop being all defensive, not everything is about them, it's about EA deceiving gamers again, are you guys seriously letting them hide behind you.

Septic929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

@New

They arent bots. The bots are completely different in the game. Completely separate from human players.

Im struggling to explain this whilst im playing gta 5 but trust me, they arr easily distinguishable from human players. They really change the pace of the game in a unique way.

Oh please dont turn this into an EA is evil agenda. Respawn made this game, THEY decided on the player cap, their pedigree says it all. This has nothing to do with EA.

Why am I being defensive here? Because its obvious people havent got a clue what Titanfall is about.

NewMonday929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

"They arent bots. The bots are completely different in the game. Completely separate from human players "

like I said the same Titans move and kill while controlled by a player or the AI so not a whole different class as you claim.

and cannon fodder is lame not "unique"

http://img.gawkerassets.com...

Concertoine929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

@NewMonday
Lol i like how you're continuing to assume how the AI works in titanfall. YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED THE GAME, DUDE! Why can't you comprehend the idea that you aren't anymore knowledgeable about a game that none of us have played? The fact that your mech can defend itself doesnt kill anything, like it has pinpoint lock on or something xD. It's probably more powerful being controlled by a pilot, otherwise you'd never want to use it in a competitive game. When there's AI in L4D it doesnt kill the competition. The auto turrets in COD games dont kill it competitively. AI is implemented in multiplayer FPS games all the time without ruining anything.

Denethor_II929d ago

@georgeenoob

"Meanwhile we have Sony fans who'll never play Titanfall let alone buy an Xbox"

You don't need an Xbox to play Titan fall!? You could play it on PC with superior graphics if you wanted.

NewMonday929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

@Concertoine

Respawn themselves say the Titans take part in the action as AI, your making all the damage control assumption here

the defensive comments are twisting my head, sometimes they say the AI is so smart it feels like playing vs a human, and other times they say the AI a lame duck that doesn't get in the way, the spin is officially out of control, make up your minds people.

starchild929d ago

Only on n4g would such a stupid comment get so many agrees. Well, actually, and sadly, there are fanboys like this all over the internet.

fr0sty929d ago

6v6 because any more is too many... *crams game with up to 38 AI bots at any given time*

and all running at 720p!

mochachino928d ago

Had to disagree Hatsune but that was funny.

SonofGod928d ago

@georgeenoob

you're on N4G, which is 80% sony people, what did you expect?

Kidmyst928d ago

@georgeenoob I'm getting it for PC and will comment on the game and just because others don't own an Xbox doesn't mean they too won't get it for PC. Who you criticize as Sony Fanboys, you in turn act even worse as a Xbox Fanboy!

DeadlyFire928d ago

I believe its possible if not on Vita. Certainly possible on PSNow as there is no hardware limit there. Just bandwidth. EA will push for some sort of Titanfall sequel on PS platforms someday if it lives up to their expectations.

6v6 is the Call of Duty norm for the whole last gen cycle. A chunk of Respawn guys + Founders came from Infinity Ward. So really what were you guys expecting? I play CS:GO with 5v5 every day and its very enjoyable. So is 32v32 in Battlefield 4. Its up to the developer to make their game fun for their scale and player count. If they can't do it then they are not the best developer. Seeing this as Respawn's first game its hard to judge it before it launches.

I really don't see the need for so much AI. It could hinder gameplay or help it, but I have not seen any evidence positive or negative yet.

Titanfall is basically Call of Duty with no walls. You can scale anything and have nice killstreak tanks to shoot enemy players called Titans. Is this good or bad idk? When it comes to PC or PS4 I will think about playing it.

Prime157928d ago

If the ai "not bots" don't impact our play, then what will we feel when we are shooting the ai that are taking a control point or shooting at us when an enemy PLAYER kills us?

Look, I agree that I want to try this game still, but past experiences lead me to be skeptical. The player count news really took me by surprise.

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NewMonday929d ago

my problem is with the bots, they kill the game as a competitive MP.

LightofDarkness929d ago

They're not bots. Bots are AI that emulate human players. These are grunt enemy AIs that behave like your average FPS campaign enemy.

And AI kills a competitive MP game? Tell that to LOL and DOTA 2 players.

NewMonday929d ago

sorry but with bots bloating the score the game will not be taken seriously, it's just a kids game now.

Concertoine929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

"Oh, and I keep seeing people thinking we’ve got “bots” when we talk about AI. Thats not how they are. The AI in Titanfall are not replacements for human players. Our playercount is not 6v6 because of AI - AI play their own role in the game and are a different class of character in the game."
Straight from the devs. Maybe people shouldn't be assuming things about a game we dont know enough about, that we havent heard concrete info on since e3, that you haven't even played. Seems like a good idea to me...

LightofDarkness929d ago

Well, I think we've just determined that you have no idea what you're talking about. I'd urge you to bow out of future conversations about this, but I can already tell the advice would fall on deaf ears. In fact, you should immediately rush to MLG and other pro gaming leagues and inform them that LOL and DOTA 2 are kids' games and are not competitive. Go now, stop wasting your talents for deduction here while people are making money from playing "kids" games competitively! I've no doubt there's a medal in it for you.

NewMonday929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

@Concertoine

the same Titans you ride and shoot and kill with operate and kill without a pilot as bots.

@LightofDarkness

DOTA 2 is a whole different genre and a lame repeated excuse.

AngelicIceDiamond929d ago

"sorry but with bots bloating the score the game will not be taken seriously, it's just a kids game now."

Good you don't like now. That's good so we shouldn't expect you in Titanfall related articles right?

maniacmayhem929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

@NewMonday
"they kill the game as a competitive MP."

Oh, you played Titanfall? please explain how the bots kill the competitive nature of the multiplayer for Titanfall using your own experience with the game....

mhunterjr929d ago

The bots don't kill the game as competitive multiplayer.

They don't have the capabilities of a human player: they aren't wall running, or piloting mechs. They exist to facilitate the narrative, and at times are a part of the objective. Also, a good team could strategically use them as a weapon. They are more like an interactive part of the environment than they are combatants.

Also, they won't 'bloat the score'. Just bashing off the multiplayer footage, killing a bit first award anywhere near the amount of points awarded for killing a human player or destroying a Titan. If you think anyone going to run away with matches by taking out ai, you're sorely mistaken.

NewMonday929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

@mhunterjr

the mechs kill as AI, and as for the score look at the above gif I posted.

@AngelicIceDiamond

actually you will see a lot more of me until Respawn fix this.

if the game is released as is I will not care about the franchise at all to comment.

maniacmayhem929d ago

"actually you will see a lot more of me until Respawn fix this."

So basically you'll be trolling every Titanfall article despite what almost everyone on here has told you and what every link that the actual developers have explained works best for their game they are making.

Concertoine929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

@NewMonday
Right, they'll erase all the progress they've made, designing this game around 12 players after testing more, developing this game around whatever it is the AI is doing in conjunction with the player, and they'll release another sci fi FPS with 32 or whatever player MP, respawning vehicles for 3 or 4 people to camp until they spawn, and with a 4 hour campaign, etc...
I find it funny when people complain that the FPS genre feels too samey, then a game like this comes along and tries something different only to get slammed by people like you that will judge it before they even have a decent understanding of the basic mechanics of the game. And not only that, but you're saying you'll KEEP slamming it until Respawn fundamentally changes everything they've spent years working on. That's weak.

NewMonday929d ago

@maniacmayhem
@Concertoine

told me what exactly? spin?

Respawn said their is an "on-going debate" and I'm stating my opinion in the gaming community, I don't want another Aliens:CM or BF4 mess and I'm taking the developers up to task.

if you are happy with the way things are then just stick to the "disagree" "agree" buttons.

Dlacy13g929d ago

@NewMonday... have you played TitanFall? If yes then please continue to voice your "concerns" but if you haven't then you can't possibly have an opinion about how the AI in this game functions and its impact on a competitive match.

maniacmayhem929d ago

Try reading what everyone is explaining to you about the game.

How about actually reading why the developer chose 6v6. Yes there was a debate...you know what here:

http://www.lazygamer.net/xb...

And I asked you, how do the bots kill the game as a competitive MP as you stated. But you successfully maneuvered away from that question.

BX81928d ago

@new give it a break bro. Go post on a game for you homie!

UnHoly_One928d ago

What exactly are we supposed to see in that gif you referenced up above?

I am missing the point you are trying to make with that.

Please explain what that gif is supposed to be telling me about how the game works.

Prime157928d ago (Edited 928d ago )

Light of darkness, I reiterate, "If the ai "not bots" don't impact our play, then what will we feel when we are shooting the ai that are taking a control point or shooting at us when an enemy PLAYER kills us? "

Bots are designed as filler, not to emulate human players. Bots are just ai... THEY ARE ONE IN THE SAME.

Edit: oh, and the stupid ai in lol and dota are cannon fodder, but this is an fps game. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I'm skeptical. Very skeptical.

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OverPaperSkies929d ago

Sorry, it's not coming to PS4.

You can go away now :)

Prime157928d ago

Lol, I love when you people assume every skeptic is a Sony fanboy.

That only singles you out as a Microsoft fanboy.

truefan1928d ago

I am convinced the main complainers are PS4 players that weren't going to be playing the game anyway. I don't have evidence but lets look at the facts, the 2 staple xbox shooters are GOW and Halo, so xbox players are used to small teams and know how effective they can be. The Ps4 fanboyism displayed on this sit is pathetic.

ShowGun901928d ago

umm if you're talking about online player counts for EXCLUSIVE games, then yeah, but as for all games on 360/ps3, Cod would still be the staple shooter for 360... which would have the same size player counts as the ps3's most popular shooter... cod. also, im not sure most players on both ecosystems understand how ANY team works, just join a pick-up game, most people just run around like idiots, no teamwork whatsoever.

ill be getting titanfall for the pc, hope it does well, i'll still have PLENTY of stuff to play on my Ps4 : )

Kidmyst928d ago

I have faith in Respawn, being made from original COD creators, which were fun games back then I'm hoping for some good fun play with old PC clan guys. I was first disappointed in 6 V 6 but will reserve final judgements after seeing more on this.

H0RSE928d ago (Edited 928d ago )

It's a bit odd how you mention "PC clan guys" yet were disappointed of the announcement of 6v6. I assume this is because your clan is just a bunch of guys that like to play games together and not a clan as in a competitive gaming group, because if it was, you would know that competitive matches are typically low player counts, like around 5v5 - 8v8.

Kidmyst928d ago

@H0RSE yeah we don't compete anymore as a Clan, we get together and play COD and other games online for fun now.

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Volkama928d ago

Proof has been shown. They have been demoing the game since E3, and it wasn't a 64player trick version that everyone has been raving about.

Oh Septic mentioned Quake :) That's what I want for this game, pace and skill like Quake. I wish the weapons were more like those games of old though, and less putput machine gun.

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AngelicIceDiamond929d ago

Its a new Ip to be fair. I guess we can't judge the player count based off what we're used to.

They say Titanfall is pushing the FPS forward.

We'll see.

mcstorm929d ago

I just find it funny how people are quick to judge a game that is not even out yet. Yes its 6v6 but if the maps support this game mode then great. BF4 has 32vs32 but some of the maps feel empty and some feel too congested. Looking forward to playing this game and it should be interesting to see how well this game sells on the 360 and Xbox one.

BlackTar187929d ago

isn't it equal as funny to see people defending a game they haven't played yet? Its both sides of the coin.

nukeitall929d ago

@tar:

because people that have played it never complained about the player count, but instead are gushing out how awesome the game is?

whereas all the complaints about player counts come from the same people in every article, that hasn't played the game!

maybe fangirls?

Jeedai Infidel929d ago

Exactly! If gamers don't allow for change without freaking out, we end up with regurgitated crap that comes out on a yearly basis (I'm looking at you Call of Duty and Madden). We should hold off and get ALL of the details of this game before we scare them into giving us another by-the-numbers game that will essentially end up as stale as Call of Duty.

NatureOfLogic929d ago

Enough with the damage control. Judging by the feedback, most gamers think more players in a fps game makes for a better multiplayer experience.

Bolts-N-Rays1109929d ago

And have gamers played a game like Titanfall before? How do they know what's best for it?

KonsoruMasuta929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

No, but they know what they like and know what's best for themselves. If you're the type of person that enjoys large scales multiplayer matches with high player counts, you probably wouldn't enjoy a game that's limited to 6 vs 6.

-Foxtrot929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

"gamers played a game like Titanfall before? "

Oh come off it, it's still a FPS a heart

People have played Brink - Wall Running

People have played Halo Reach - Jetpacks

People have played every other FPS - FPS elements

Mechs have been in a lot of games

So yeah I think people kind of have played it before. Seriously people are making out like everything in this game has never been done before when it has.

Honestly, I think peoples expectations of this game before it was announced and after are mixing with reality.

Bolts-N-Rays1109929d ago

@Foxtrot

Have we had all of that in one game though? No. So, to keep it balanced with all that stuff going on, 6v6 is the sweet spot.

Irishguy95929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

Konsoru. I thoroughly enjoy scale. I also thoroughly enjoy small scale. The best FPS's are the ones with the best gameplay. Not the ones with the higher player count. BF3 had 64 players. I still think Bad company 2 was a better game.

Halo series is one of the best multiplayers especially on console imo. Besides Halo 4 :P And that is pretty much based around 4 v 4 and 6 v 6 with only one gametype that is large scale.

I don't know what they're doing with the Ai in this game. But they clearly don't have 'bots'. Bots are Ai that simply take the place of a character that is equivalent to a person. The bots in this are not the same as the player characters. Only the Titans are when you want them to follow you or guard you. Bots try to replicate people playing. The Ai in this game does not

Edit - @Foxtrot

People have played FPS before. Yeah, now lets see you say revolutionary Naugthy Dogs games are. No one is calling this game revolutionary. Just seems to be taking the next step in the small arena genre. Halo's jetpacks are slow as ****. Titanfall has 'jump boosters' which play nothing like Jetpacks. You just said

"Brink has this"
"halo has this"

So it takes two games for you to say people have played Titanfall already. Just face it, look at ANY gameplay video at all and it plays like nothing else plays. Please, point out just 1 game that plays like Titanfall. Just 1. Your logic -> Halo has jetpacks - Killzone 3 has jetpacks -> They are the same . Insane logic.

Edit - Yeah 1insomniac...that's why all the large scaled games are in MLG

Edit - @Scott, I think Halo is a great game for its genre. I also think Uncharted and the last of us are great games for their genre. Think the 3 games mentioned are great games in general regardless of their genre. Please tell me what your point is? You seem to be seeing things i'm not saying, likely because you're getting defensive/

-Foxtrot929d ago (Edited 929d ago )

@Irishguy95

"People have played FPS before. Yeah, now lets see you say revolutionary Naugthy Dogs games are."

The fact they add onto each game and push story telling like no other game has done before while at the same time do the same to their characters which make them some of the most memorable characters of the current gen....yeah they haven't done anything revolutionary alright /s

"No one is calling this game revolutionary"

I've seen plenty of people saying it is on here and the internet in general, how it's going to "revolutionize" the FPS genre <sigh>

"Titanfall has 'jump boosters' which play nothing like Jetpacks. You just said"

Lol...it's roughly the same thing. Different name, same outcome.

Right stop twisting what I'm saying, i'm not saying theres another game which plays EXACTLY like it but the concepts have been done in other games when you get people saying "Theres nothing like this been done before" when there has in other games, just because you put these elements into one game dosen't mean it's all brand new, they are just combined elements from other games. If I put Bishock Infinites tear power and Max Paynes bullet time in a game like Uncharted would they then be things no body has ever seen before....no they wouldn't.

People really have got to stop thinking this game is the second coming, I mean it doesn't seem like something which is going to push the FPS genre forward, just make it a bit fresh that's all.

WrAiTh Sp3cTr3929d ago

KonsoruMasuta, what gamers- the ones who have played Titanfall or the ones that haven't? The irony is that irony comes full circle to common sense because the people who played it have praised it while the people who hate XB1 exclusives and have NEVER played it...hate it. Well, maybe I'm using the word common sense a little too loosely, lol.

Unreal01929d ago

Haha, "6 vs 6 is the sweet spot."

I'm pretty sure if it was 12 vs 12, that would be the sweet spot for you too. If people have to stop being negative about this game, then surely other people have to stop blindly praising it. I think you'll find it works both ways.

BlackTar187929d ago

Unreal Bravo.

People mad about people hating ont he game without playing it but do you not understand that praising and defending a game without playing it is silly too.

scott182929d ago

@Irishguy95

You seem to think Halo is pretty great. I think Uncharted and TLoU are just as great for their genre's.

You think an evil alien story with a hero saving the day hasn't been done before?

maniacmayhem929d ago

@Foxtrot

"The fact they add onto each game and push story telling like no other game has done before while at the same time do the same to their characters..."

Wow, you basically just proved Irishguy right. If you think those games were revolutionary then just stop with any criticism you have towards Titanfall.

Hilarious you personally think ND games are Christ on earth but want everyone else to stop their own excitement and anticipation/hype for a game that has been getting nothing but praises from everyone who has played it.

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jimbobbeers929d ago

Judging by the feedback? Um no. Judging by the feedback (ordinary people who played at Eurogamer etc where it was 6v6) the game was perfect.

Prime157928d ago

Most games feel better in a controlled environment...

Look, I'm just saying, these people have a right to be skeptical, and just because they may be, doesn't mean they are a fanboy.

ThePope929d ago

Who cares. The gamers who want a higher player count can shut up and go play something else. A game like MAG, oh wait. Not one gamer has money invested in this game. So it's not their decision. If guys who have made one of the most popular franchise ever say 6v6 is the number then it's the number.

It's not damage control it's the fact that no one has played the game to say one way or the other. So the people who think they have a say with anything but their wallets need to shut up. Period.

HacSawJimThugin929d ago

Yep...I'm here to give bubbles to good points and you sir shall be rewarded.