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Sony Patents PlayStation Remix (Cloud-Based Emulation)

Dylan Z of iGR writes: "Sony and Gaikai may be a step closer to unveiling their PS4 streaming technology." (PS4)

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Majin-vegeta  +   611d ago
Awesome.It's over 9000!!!!
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himdeel  +   611d ago
Yep, I am looking forward to the details.
HelpfulGamer  +   611d ago
PS4 Cloud Power!
MWong  +   610d ago
@ himdeel
Me too I want to know the prices (hopefully $5/each and some free for PS+ subscribers) and file size average. I want to play some of my PS3 titles on the PS4. Too bad those titles probably won't get a graphics boost, but still can't wait.

LOL @ it's over 9000. I need to dust of my DBZ dvd collection.
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ABizzel1  +   610d ago
Sound to me like it's probably for upscaling games up to 1080p, and adding PS4 features like screenshots, and recording.

"Adding mini-games"

I have no idea what this is for? Maybe to ease loading...?
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rainslacker  +   610d ago
Last year they also had that patent which allowed trophies to be added to older games without having to change any existing code.

Would be cool to go back and play all those old games again for the trophies, since I do so anyways.:)
miyamoto  +   610d ago
Uncharted 2 has been using cloud technology since 2009 and look at that great game's graphics.

Fast forward to 2014 you would wonder how much Sony has mastered using the cloud for Gaikai and PS4 games!!!!!
P0werVR  +   610d ago

Mastered?! ....LOL! Yeah sure.

Until you you can claim on developing new gen triple A games and can add live content to it. Then we can talk about mastering cloud. Other than that, Sony with cloud computing features is on the back-end here compared to Microsoft. Future proof!
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abzdine  +   610d ago
I heard that X1 becomes 10times more powerful when using cloud? Do you have any proof of that now that it's out?
how about Forza 5 1080p impossible without the cloud?
please keep quiet don't ingest any BS you hear.
mikeslemonade  +   610d ago
Hopefully there's a subscription base with a PS plus discount.

Looking forward to playing all those platforming games and RPGs.
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Mikey32230  +   611d ago
over 9000?
sorry newb question.. what do you mean?
Tyrone_Biggums  +   611d ago
Over 9000 RedBalls
moujahed  +   611d ago
So you're a DBZ newb? Wow.
asyouburn  +   611d ago
Over 9000 was a large wooden ship primarily used in the civil war
MestreRothN4G  +   611d ago
Over 9000 ms of input lag?
mt  +   611d ago

I want to watch dragon ball again for the 9000 times.
cell989  +   611d ago
you must not watch a lot of tv, specifically anime. Thats a reference to the popular show Dragon Ball where power levels were measured and 9000 was the max, so anything above 9000 was insanely powerful
CryofSilence  +   611d ago

And it turns out that 9000 is pathetically weak when you find out Frieza's second form is over 1 million (and final form much stronger than that). Then 1 million becomes pathetically weak as the saiyans go through their different saiyan forms, which I believe hit 2.5 billion.
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MazzingerZ  +   610d ago
Mikey32230  +   611d ago
9000 red balls?
kazuma999  +   611d ago
Lmao in dragon ball z vageta aka goku's rival used his scouter on goku and then nappa said what is his power level vageta? He then says ITS OVER 9000!!!!! and breaks the scouter.
Monolith  +   611d ago
Wasn't freeza like 1000000 or something. I haven't watched dragon ball z or dragon ball since the 90s.
frostypants  +   610d ago
Some kids show.
MestreRothN4G  +   611d ago
Enjoy it while it lasts. The excitement will end as you play your first game with the neverending INPUT LAG.

It doesn't matter which connection you have. You'll always be playing the game somewhere else. You'll send you command, the server will wait until it gets there and send you the graphics back. You'll only see the result of your action when you receive the graphics.

This service doesn't have ANY chance of being barely decent. Enough said.
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Monolith  +   611d ago
And you know this. Gaikai is promising the fastest network to date so well see won't we.
bradleejones  +   611d ago
Apparently you never used Gaikai. I was using a Dell Inspiron 6000 stock and playing Crysis 2.It looked incredible with no lag. At the time I had 25mbps which is not insane fast or anything.
MestreRothN4G  +   611d ago
Pretty low standards, I see.
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KwietStorm  +   610d ago
Thanks. What part of the engineering process did you work on?
badz149  +   610d ago

have you tried Remote Play? if you have, you wouldn't be talking about input lag.
ZodTheRipper  +   610d ago

Stop trolling.
Shabutie13  +   610d ago
"Have you tried remote play.."

You mean the one over wifi in your house? Yeah that works fine, because everyone has gigabit routers, for the most part. Have you tried remote play from a remote location? There is an input delay. There will always be input delay, roughly 2/3 the speed of light with IDEAL conditions. "But that is so fast", the matter of milliseconds when playing a shooter is in game life or death.

People will just buy on to any little piece of information they here. It's really pathetic.
XiSasukeUchiha  +   610d ago
Awesomeness over 9000!
majedx9  +   610d ago
Dragonball Z: Battle Of Gods Full Movie (English Subtitles)
Dannycr  +   610d ago
Who cares? The movie sucked b@lls anyway :P
fanboybeatdown  +   610d ago
Sony talks about the cloud? ... omgwtfbbq over 9000!
MS talks about the cloud? ... boo hiss down with MS liars

Honestly guys?
Majin-vegeta  +   610d ago
Hmmm not sure if serious or not??

M$=Cloud can make xbone 3x more powerful

Sony=Cloud is used for streaming etc...

Do you see the difference or does someone else have to draw you a clear pix??
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SoulSercher620  +   610d ago
Care to tell me how Sony's and MS's cloud are EXACTLY the same when they clearly aren't?
fanboybeatdown  +   610d ago
Thanks for your offering to help, but I am already totally familiar with what Sony is doing with Gakai.

It appears, though, that you guys haven't thought it through.

When you consider the actual premise of what Sony is doing with Gakai and the streaming of actual realtime games through their cloud the promises of MS and Sony stumble on the exact same pitfalls.

Think about it.
Sony's cloud will be streaming game data, game graphics and textures, game AI (all in realtime) and then will be receiving gamer input from your gamepad to your PS4, then to your internet modem, then over the internet onto their servers, then processing the input on their servers, then mixing your received input with the game's response, then returning the signal to the internet, then your modem, then your ps4 which will then need to process the data again and display the signal on your TV. This will need to happen near instantaneously every few miliseconds, otherwise the whole thing will become an unplayable lagfest.

That's the truth of it, chaps.

Sony's cloud is a massive undertaking fraught with problems, in much the same way that MS cloud offering is.

This is why celebrating Sony's cloud and poo-pooing MS's offering is such a sad double standard.

Hope that helped you work it out.
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GTgamer  +   610d ago
You act as if Gaikai never existed well it did and worked perfectly fine won awards and everything so I have no reason to expect anything less this time around :/ that's all I'm saying.
ibrake4naps  +   610d ago
Cloud is only real when sony does it ...
ibrake4naps  +   610d ago
@raccoon titties!? :-D
warczar  +   610d ago
I'm saving this conversation for the day when Microsoft finally comes out and admits that 3x more power through the cloud was just a bunch of bullshit. I'll message you with a picture of me streaming a PS3 game to my PS4.

Honestly Guy.
fanboybeatdown  +   609d ago
Ah you guys still don't believe me.
I'll just leave this here

I would say it works far from perfectly. It may work if you live in Japan, Hong Kong or South Korea and have a 100Mbps connection..good luck with that in TROTWorld

Just to throw some more cold hard facts into the mix, here’s some real life word internet speeds that fall short of what’s required for gakai streaming:

Also note I live in Australia and Australia’s average internet speed is 4.7Mbps.
Suffice to say Gakai in Australia will be a big fail with that amount of bandwidth. That's a no-brainer.

also, @warczar
Good on you for caring that much! I tip my hat to you for saving an internet conversation for 6-12 months just to prove you can take a gakai screenshot lol.

One thing tho. When you send me a screenshot of the gakai streaming, be sure to include statistics for game lockups, input lag, intermittent buffering and a sample of reviews from credible mainstream websites from around the world.

A screenshot by itself ain't worth a hoot... but you knew that right?

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BallsEye  +   610d ago
Great but let's not get that hyped. Sony also patended blocking used games and I didn't see any articles in here about it.



Proabably got scared after they seen how people reacted to MS and backed out.
EXVirtual  +   610d ago
Have you not seen the articles from the february reveal of the PS4 confirming no DRM?
BallsEye  +   610d ago

Can you read what I wrote, with understanding?
indyman77  +   608d ago
Will it ever reach it's ceiling? Its like a empty well, with no end to it.
Supa  +   611d ago
Really excited about this!
piroh  +   611d ago
sounds interesting. later they could emulate PC games on max settings if the technology proves itself, i bet there are no licensing restrictions
Godmars290  +   611d ago
If you're talking PC games playing on a console, there likely will be licensing issues. That's just how things seem to go.
piroh  +   611d ago
well, ok with me. i´m already busy finishing exclusives let alone multiplats or PC games. so many games these days it´s not even healthy
ginsunuva  +   611d ago
How do you emulate a PC game if it's running on a PC?

I think you mean stream PC games, though that's much more expensive. Putting a bunch of cheap Ps2s and Ps3s in the servers is cheaper than high-end GPUs.

If you want PC streaming, look to Nvidia's GRID, which just entered beta.
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GTgamer  +   611d ago
Bring on Gaikai :D
KratosSaveUs  +   611d ago
I'm still trying to figure out how this will work. Will it be similar to Netflix or d we have to buy all the games all over again.
Majin-vegeta  +   611d ago
No one knows at this point but Hopefully.
Godmars290  +   611d ago
You can bet that if Sony tries for a setup similar to Netflix, pay a subscription fee for access to full library, people are going to lose it if its separate and in addition to PS+.
iamnsuperman  +   611d ago
PS+ isn't exactly a burden on people (like 45 pounds for the year). I can see it being a subscription based service similar to Netflix because individual pricing would be an issue getting it right and they are not going to do it for free
nunley33  +   611d ago
This "wrapper" that's being made to work with existing games sounds fantastic. Sounds like adding psn functionality to the legacy games we may have bought, I love this idea. I would pay for this easily.
kayoss  +   611d ago
I actually hope it will be more like Steam. You buy the game you want digitally through Gaikai.
GraveLord  +   611d ago
No, you don't have to buy your games all over again. You already own them and you can play them on your PS1/PS2/PS3 whenever you want.

As for those who don't own these systems or games for them, they can play these games through the PS4 cloud at an as-of-yet undisclosed subscription fee or on a pay-per-title basis. We just don't know yet.
thebudgetgamer  +   611d ago
I'm hoping it works like the Sega channel did back in the day.
GrimbleGromble  +   611d ago
I loved me that Sega channel. Short lived and I was the only one of my friends that had it.
LeCreuset  +   611d ago
The Netflix model would be smarter PR wise. Paying to access games you already own is a much harder sell than paying to access a library of games, some of which you may already own.
JodyCones  +   610d ago
If it was like netflix for all the classics in HD i'd pay for the subscription in a heartbeat.
MisfitsInc  +   611d ago
i'm so ready
WeAreLegion  +   611d ago
I imagine that name has something to do with PS1/PS2/PS3 games?

Honestly, if they released a massive amount of PS1/PS2/PS3 games at the same time via streaming...it would be a great marketing tool for them.
Joe913  +   611d ago
I hope they have been working on this since they bought Gaikia so when it release it will have a good number of games.
Ares84HU  +   611d ago
I just hope that by using Gaikai you can play your disc based PS1, PS2 and PS3 games. other than that, I don't care
Unreal01  +   611d ago
If the PS4 doesn't read CDs, how is that possible. You're asking for your PS4 to be a completely different type of hardware.
WeAreLegion  +   611d ago
That would really only count out PS1 games. PS2 and PS3 are on DVD/Blu-ray.
kayoss  +   611d ago
But PS4 do not have the emulation chip to play PS2 and PS3 games.
LemonSlice  +   611d ago
kayoss thats the point ><
With gaikai you can play games from old PS consoles.

I think there will be some kind of option to play games you already own because PS4 can actually recognize that you put a PS3 disc


So I believe (or at least hope) that we would be able to play our ps3 games
Madderz  +   610d ago
@ LemonSlice

I thought that was put in place so that people who bought ps3 games and wanted to do that upgrade to ps4 thing digitally (for a fraction of the price of a full copy) you had to insert the ps3 disc everytime you booted the digital ps4 version? Sort of like proof you own the license?
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Ares84HU  +   610d ago

A completely different system???? How so?? I just want it to play Playstation games. The PS3 has a blu-ray drive and is capable of reading music discs, DVDs, ps1 discs and ps2 dvds. I think that is just blocked on PS4 or doesn't have the software to do it. It's not a hardware issue but a software issue. It is possible to use a software based emulator to do these things. If it is possible on PC it should be possible on PS4 because it has way more than enough horsepower.
jukins  +   611d ago
Sounds like a way to add trophies to older titles by enabling mini games. Sounds pretty cool
MrBeatdown  +   611d ago
That's what I was thinking.

I don't have any interest in replaying old games just to replay them, but with an added incentive like trophies, I'd give things like MGS1 and the old GTAs another go.
Raccoon  +   611d ago
but that would mean that developers would have to go back and implements these changes, so it sounds unlikely in my opinion...

now what i do know is that the success of the ps4 will get us faster/stronger support on ps4 features, tittles and gaikai.
jukins  +   611d ago
@Raccoon so you think a developer would bother to go back and add these "mini-games" but not trophies? I mean either way someone is going to have to go back and implement things. Even the examples given sound like trophy type scenarios. "Defeat a boss without losing lives", "win a baseball game down by 1 in the bottom of the 9th"
WeAreLegion  +   611d ago
If this doesn't happen, we should let them know we want it.
Clover904  +   611d ago
Wha--! That would be amazing.
Lucreto  +   611d ago
I am not big on the name PlayStation Remix. It should be called PlayStation Legacy.
OtakuDJK1NG-Rory  +   611d ago
yeah it got me thinking NES Remix.
305LoneWolf  +   611d ago
Or they could of called it Playstation Generations
ratchet426  +   610d ago
Playstation Retro
uptownsoul  +   611d ago
yeah, I'm real interested in how this may work
Newmanator  +   611d ago
Cash Team Racing HD online.
nunley33  +   611d ago
Play your crash team racing online minus the HD with trophies and leaderboards and you got and you got an idea of Gaikai. I got this game digitally from ps plus while back before the IGC. This would be really great and a true killer app with no equal.
MasterofMagnetism  +   611d ago
Want to see this in action.
TristanPR77  +   610d ago
To think that the PS4 is the leading platform right now without GAIKAI or the VR Device. Wow, the future of PS4 is really bright and we haven't even seen PS4 second form.

PS4 is a super sayian!!!
Dan_scruggs  +   610d ago
Should have called it PlayStation Rebuy.
NikonSteve  +   610d ago
Its going to be a subscription based streaming service. It will be Netflix like, but for games. It can stream to ps4 or vita. I'll "Rebuy" this because its cool.
Dan_scruggs  +   610d ago
Sony could have taken the money it will cost to create this service and put it into making the PS4 backwards compatible. It would be available right now and everyone would be happy.

But Sony wants you to buy games you already own again. Because money.
Stopher92  +   610d ago
If this works and if they do it right, then Xbox has absolutely no chance whatsoever. Bring on Gaikai!!! You can do this sony!
kingPoS  +   610d ago
Let me chime in.

The brief time I experienced with Gaikai impressed me. While playing the multiplayer of some airplane game, the gfx were set to medium over a 3mb dsl... and it played nearly lag free!

I've got high hope for whatever Sony's doing with their acquisition of Gaikai.

Gateway MT6706 2008
ColeMacGrath  +   610d ago
I assume since they're mini-games then they're gonna be priced at a below $4.99 pricetag? Or perhaps Sony could give them away for free with PS+ subscriptions.
ginsunuva  +   610d ago
No they mean devs can go back into older games, and place "mini-games" (what they really mean are challenges) inside them.

For example, they could make a mode for Shadow of the Colossus where you get thrown into battle with a colossus and have a time trial to beat it. Same game, new objective overlaid on top.
ColeMacGrath  +   610d ago
I know what they are, but I was just assuming their pricing values, thanks for the info anyway. :)
ginsunuva  +   610d ago

You'd still be getting the full game. They can't sell you a chunk of a game, that'd be kinda hard to do.
They're not selling the mini-games alone.
SoulSercher620  +   610d ago
This is definitely going to be a game changer.
tubers  +   610d ago
Hope they could bring it to VITA.
ginsunuva  +   610d ago
If it works on console, it will work on Vita.

It's just video streaming.
whome  +   610d ago
i think this might have something to do with developers adding trophies, to older games. which sounds like a cool idea.
MetaReapre  +   610d ago
This does sound interesting with the mini game aspect but I really just wanna play older games on my ps4 instead of busting out the PS2 to play old games...
NikonSteve  +   610d ago
I can't wait for this to come out on Xbox one.....Oh wait.
ibrake4naps  +   610d ago
If they add this, I'll drop trow and and drop a mean load on my ps4...
NeloAnjelo  +   610d ago
I'm hoping we get more details on this at E3. Can't wait!

Wonder what the Price model will be? Surely not the same as plus? Plus is already amazing... Imagine the new server load, and network strength on Sony's end to provide this?

Will it be available on Vita? Imagine streaming PS3 games on the Vita through Gaikai!
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