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Submitted by admiralvic 712d ago | opinion piece

Will Super Smash Bros. Ever Be Dethroned?

Hardcore Gamer: Super Smash Brothers is that game that transcends fandoms. It firmly goes out of its way to be appealing from the furthest distance and from the cloudiest viewpoint. Some can say that Nintendo recycles Zelda or Mario ad nauseum all they want, but that argument doesn’t hold water with Super Smash Brothers. It’s one of the most prolific series in modern gaming, gathering innumerable fans and being a game that has been statistically proven to sell Nintendo’s systems. But it’s been a long time since the series appeared on the Nintendo 64 and many other games have attempted to use the series’ fundamentals as their own frameworks. Some games have even changed up the party gameplay in fresh, new ways, but every time, it doesn’t prove lucrative. So why is Super Smash Brothers so immune to submission? Even with games that improve upon Super Smash Brothers’ concept, why is Nintendo’s crossover title still the gold standard of multiplayer fighting games? (3DS, GameCube, Super Smash Bros., Wii, Wii U)

Moncole  +   712d ago
No. Other games try to replicate it but fail.
GrizzliS1987  +   712d ago
sony could have, should have, but dropped the ball by changing the formula so they dont mimic smash. They should plain and simply rip off the entire formula only with sony characters, and have capcom or some trusted fighter developer create the move set :/
TwilightBites  +   712d ago
Wtf is wrong with you?
Sony COULD have?

Er.... ok
R00bot  +   712d ago
How would a game that completely rips everything from Smash Bros. with worse characters (less recognisable) and stages be better?
3-4-5  +   712d ago
This is how:

* 50 characters

* Ability to create 50 more.

* All unique

* RPG like leveling up abilities during match.
EX: Ability 1-4 each have 3 levels to them.

* Rotates around 360, so imagine playing smash but being able to move anywhere and move the camera 360 as well.

* Height and Structures would be different than just platforms.

* Each character would have certain strengths and weaknesses in levels depending on their abilities.

* Basic attacks would work mostly like Super Smash, jump buttons, recoveries.

* It would be more about getting the finish than knocking out of map, but that would still apply.

* Can create up to 50 maps per game/user/console

* 2v2, 4v4, 8v8 matches depending on map size.
- Also solo and FFA matches as well.

* Earn XP towards buying new Skins/clothing/items/weapon upgrades/armor upgrades for your Fighter.

All this and with a Smash Brothers U + Wind Waker HD + Ni No Kuni mixed type of Art Style.

* All the characters are NEW and not previously from anything else.

* Essentially creating 50 new characters who could branch off into their own games/ IP's.
live2play  +   712d ago
So basically no?
STK026  +   712d ago
In many ways, the game you are describing is so far away from the Smash Bros formula that it wouldn't even appeal to the same audience, let alone be a competitor to Smash Bros.

What has made Smash Bros such a success is that it has recognizable characters, simple gameplay that everyone can enjoy, yet enough depth to it so that it is hard to master. On the other hand, what you are describing is more like a hardcore version of Soul Calibur.

I'm not saying your ideas are bad, but I just don't think it's a Smash Bros killer as much as it would be a totally new type of game.
CrossingEden  +   712d ago
Creating 50 new characters would be valuing quantity over quality.
mamotte  +   712d ago
What game are you talking about? Smash es an accesible, yet competitive game. That's the real secret behind it.
3-4-5  +   712d ago
Not really. You can't just make Smash 2.0, but you can't really do what Sony did and make it not have any substance.

Smash appealed initially because it WASN'T like all the other fighters out there.

To have that formula succeed again, you would need to shake things up a bit and introduce something that hasn't been done before.

* And creating 50 characters is valuing quality.

- The way the maps would be, every character and their abilites/moves would be different. No-reskins.

I don't expect anybody to like the idea or get it because it's not smash, but it needs to be more than smash to succeed, not just more of the same.
admiralvic  +   712d ago
I think Super Smash Bros. CAN be dethroned, but it probably won't happen. Most companies go for the standard "2v2" formula, which leads to money from the tournament scene. Thats certainly what Arc System Works, Capcom and a few other companies do. Thats not to say they don't try games like Super Smash Bros. (like Guilty Gear Isuka), but they rarely do well.

With that being said, I still think Jump Ultimate Stars could have rivaled Super Smash Bros. if they made a console version on par with SSB. J-Stars is looking okay, but JUS was just delightful.
SpiralTear  +   712d ago
Importing Jump! Ultimate Stars was the best decision I ever made as a DS owner. It's my favorite DS game ever, and not just because I dig anime.
admiralvic  +   712d ago
Gah, I meant 1v1 ~_~;;. Stupid 15 minute edit limit .I suppose thats what I get for writing the comment right after waking up.
bullymangLer  +   712d ago
The smash bros games actually require more skill more talent more (concentration) to be able to win against another wise fighter, more so than ANY street fighter game < fact

I did not bring any facts nor proof for this statement, so my fact regarding smash bros being the most hardcore fighter games ever created will be seen as just an opinion (;
BelkingOfSony  +   712d ago
Street fighter is just simple button mashing, and learning the combos. Smash bros requires proper timing of the attacks, if you button mash in smash bros you would get thrashed.
herbs  +   712d ago
The Smash games are far more dynamic than other fighting game. Most popular fighting games involve players draining there opponents life bar on a simple flat stage, there is still strategy in the characters move sets but that's basically it. Smash has these elements in addition to using your surroundings to your advantage which adds much more depth.
R00bot  +   712d ago
And all of the items add more strategic elements.
Like how if someone gets the hammer you suddenly have to run or reach higher ground that they can't jump to.
Or if someone gets a bomb when you're both on a high percentage and you stick to them like glue so they'll have to kill themselves to kill you.
Or if you've got a bomb you can throw it into the air in the hope that they'll forget about it before it lands (yes, in the heat of the battle people get fooled by that).
PsychOff  +   712d ago
Not trying to discredit what you are saying about Smash Bro's. but if you think Smash Bro's. is harder than Street Fighter 4, you obviously never bothered playing much of it. SF4 is probably the most difficult fighting game I have ever played in my life and I am not just saying that or saying that Smash Bro's is any less of a game but SF4 is far from a button masher. I have no idea where you guys pulled that from.

Older Street Fighter games yes, you could get away with button mashing, you can't even complete SF4 on the easiest mode with button mashing. SF4 literally requires you to memorize the combos.

So yea you are right that it is all just learning combos but good luck pulling them all off, the timing in SF4 is so extreme also to say it takes no timing is absolutely absurd.

I had to just give up playing the game, that is how hard it is and I have never gave up on any game. I studied one characters moves for like a year which was Akuma and I still sucked total ass at SF4. It is so hard, it isn't even fun to play.

It was consuming so much of my time and so stressful getting the timing right with combos, I just had to stop myself playing it altogether. Wasn't worth the time or effort for me.

Smash Bro's. does have more depth no doubt than SF4 but by no means is it harder to play. There wouldn't be so many casual players who love Smash Bro's. if that was the case. Any casual player can get into Smash Bro's.

You aren't going to find casual players who play SF4 let alone love it, only professionals who literally live and breathe fighting games are good at it that is how difficult it is. If they are casuals they won't last long at all.

There aren't tons of articles, blogs and threads made about why is SF4 so god damn hard for nothing.

To deny Smash Bro's. is more casual friendly would be total denial. SF4 freaking haunts me it is so difficult..
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alphaomega88  +   711d ago
Casual friendly? Yes. But I have to be honest, I think it actually takes more time and practice to get really good at Smash than it does Street Fighter. Now granted, I never played the console version, but the 3ds one(I am pretty sure they are like identical though), and I beat that on the hardest difficulty within about 3 hours of putting it in. Is it harder up front? Definitely. Is it harder to master? I don't really think so. Blocking, jumping, dodging, grabbing, and items add a complete 'nother level of things to master, let alone stage differences. The times I went online in brawl I always got destroyed, and that after playing through the whole game and having played the previous two entries.
Thepcz  +   712d ago | Well said
nintendo has a rich history
it draws upon this history in the smash bros games with characters spanning 30 years of nintendo gaming. plus now with other iconic characters from other companies.

its a celebration of gaming
Neonridr  +   712d ago
*gasp* you didn't say anything bad about Nintendo in this statement... are you feeling ok Thepcz?


Reeze  +   712d ago
That's what I was thinking.

Shocking! XP
Thepcz  +   712d ago
haha :D
herbs  +   712d ago
Well said pcz...
browngamer41  +   712d ago
Well stated..
WeAreLegion  +   712d ago
Super Smash Bros. isn't the king of brawlers though. Power Stone is.
Theyellowflash30  +   712d ago
LOL, when was the last time a new powerstone game came out? Can't be the king if you're not in the game anymore
truechainz  +   712d ago
While I disagree, I do think power stone is the only series that could have come to rival it, if it had more entries to build upon the first 2.
XboxFun  +   712d ago
As Thepcz said, the characters Nintendo brings together are celebrated and beloved. Seeing them all come together and brawling is a sight to behold not to mention a trip down nostalgia road for many of us.

Sony tried this but it felt like a cheap cash grab as most of the characters don't mesh well enough together and lack the deep video game history of feelings we have towards them.

If any game could come close to dethroning SMB it might be Power Stone. But Power Stone is in itself a different kind of brawler that users a different design and gameplay of fighting than SMB.
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wonderfulmonkeyman  +   712d ago
Agreed, but here's an idea...
Power stone is partially owned by Sega, right?
So why not reintroduce the series by adding one off its characters into smash 4 or 5, then following that up with a brand new entry in the power stone series exclusively on the wii u? Maybe even alongside a release of the original power stone games on the e shop on top of all that?
Loadedklip  +   712d ago
Another difference is that Smash Bros actually is a great game. Playstation All Stars is not.
wonderfulmonkeyman  +   712d ago
The better question is, why would we want it to be?
The series has consistently proven itself to be one that got "being different than the traditional stuff" right, on its very first try.
As long as it continues the tradition of excellence through being a great alternative to traditional fighting games, why would we want it to be dethroned?
live2play  +   712d ago
Because nintendo
wonderfulmonkeyman  +   712d ago
So you hate nintendo and you want one of their best games to bee out-done. Good for you. Welcome to the hater train.XD
live2play  +   712d ago
Good heavens no! Im no nintendo hater, loved them all my life
I was saying that some people just want to see nintendo burn
wonderfulmonkeyman  +   712d ago
I would have refrained from my previous response if you had clarified that sooner.XD
Lenns  +   712d ago
No, smash bros is like GTA. It has established they are the king in their genre. Just the mention of their names gets everyone excited. Every other game, that is in the same genre, are considered clones. For example PS all stars and Saints row usually gets ignored and is criticized for copying.
Kennytaur  +   712d ago
I think the only one who can dethrone it at this point is itself. But that would require the next couple games to be mediocre, and I don't see that happening.
truechainz  +   712d ago
Umm Digimon Rumble Arena? lol jk but seriously The only game that I think could rival smash was power stone and now that is looking like less of a possibility.
SLUG  +   712d ago
YES it will be Dethroned by nintendo them self just wait and see by the time xbox one will have their own smash game coming soon
PaperClichePixel  +   712d ago
I don't think so, but Smash is is not a fighting game anyway.
Killzoner99  +   712d ago
What you don't think the next Playstation Allstars is going to be amazing? Trust me Sony won't make the same mistake next time and drop the ball on marketing. I've heard people say Smash is the better game but I disagree. Allstars takes much more skill to master and is a more satisfying experience. If Sony would have marketed the first game better we wouldn't be commenting on this article right now.
KonsoruMasuta  +   712d ago
I loved AllStars but it's not on the level of Smash Bros.
herbs  +   712d ago
Im sorry Killzoner but you are completely blinded by your obsession with Sony...
Allstars lacks the appeal and mechanics it just doesn't even come close. For you to blame its lack of success on marketing and say that it takes more skill to master just proves your delusional and out of touch with reality. There are reasons why Smash is the most popular game at Evo and Allstars is completely out of the spotlight...
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cpayne93  +   712d ago
All stars is broken as hell. Completely unbalanced, online is filled with spammers and kill confirming. I like All stars, but it has so many problems, and it's really lacking on the single player, unlike melee and brawl.

And all stars does not take more skill to master, you just learn how to spam cheap tactics, and you win. That's it.
ChrisF  +   712d ago
I think a better question is: will it ever be released? Nintendo keeps pushing back the release date. The Wii U has been out for about a year now and this should have been one of the first games released.
KonsoruMasuta  +   712d ago
They never announced a release date. So how are they pushing one back?
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thehobbyist  +   712d ago
"Hey, we just released this console. Still having a small bit of trouble with graphics optimization and need to play around with it so we can see what we can with this technology. But we can guarantee it'll be great when it comes out in 2014."

"Naw man Smash Bros. should be a rushed launch title."

That's what your comment says to me. And I think that's really stupid.
TuxedoMoon  +   712d ago
The only other game I loved MORE THAN SMASH BROS., was Power Stone. As a party/fighting game, Power Stone 2 was amazing and fun. Too bad Capcom dropped that franchise...same with Megaman and Darkstaklers and Dino Crisis.

To be honest though, I'm not too excited for the new smash. After being burned by Brawl, I REALLY need to play it before I can get excited. I was a hardcore melee player and practiced hard for Brawl. That was a HUGE mistake because Brawl was extremely slow, floaty, and Falco got new moves (which I did eventually warm up to). I had to get Brawl+ to go back to playing smash bros again. Not as hardcore as I did with melee though. Just casual fun at this point.

My 2 cents on PS all Stars:
This game sucked. Watching 2 people fight tourney style in the game is VERY boring. I guess my main issue with it is the main gameplay gimmick. You can only kill people through special attacks. So basically the end of a fight will almost always be the same animation.

The stages were a mess and boring, the roster was very lacking (No Wander, Legend of Dragoon, or wild Arms characters?), the items were terrible, the music could've been much better...

Smash bros does something special that Sony all-stars failed to do. What's that you ask? Well, imo, Smash bros CELEBRATES Nintendo and its franchise history. Brawl is proof of that. All the stickers and junk you collect are all things that Celebrates Nintendo. Getting various composers to make the tunes for brawl was a genius idea as well (Wild arms X Zelda theme is just too amazing). You aren't just playing smash bros. You are playing a NINTENDO GAME!!!

Nintendo/Namco has done a huge deed too! They've managed to use megaman in a respectable way! No Fat megaman and no DLC costume over the sidekick character! Nope! Megaman X is in ProjectXZone and Megaman (classic) is in Smash bros 4! This was the year of megaman right? Yet, Capcom hasn't shown any love for the franchise at all!

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