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Battlefield 4: Former DICE dev claims game's problems are "higher than devs"

Problems with Battlefield 4's performance lie in a position higher than that of the developer DICE, according to a former DICE dev. (Dice, EA, PC, PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

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vishmarx  +   712d ago
i couldnt be the only one who hasnt had problems except a time or two of least on console.
this stuff is way overblown
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WeedyOne  +   712d ago
I haven't had many issues on pc, but a friend that plays on ps4 said his single player campaign just got wiped yesterday.
Callediceman  +   712d ago
thats his ps4 punishing him for actually trying to play thru that travesty
BattleTorn  +   712d ago
Ive luckily beat the PS4 campaign now, but it took several tries of having half progress being wiped.

MP is still a absolute lagfest for me.
frostypants  +   712d ago
If Dice had their way, I'd wager there wouldn't even be a single player campaign. Battlefield is an online franchise. Single player didn't come along until EA started trying to compete with CoD.
LOL_WUT  +   711d ago
I recently got a corrupt file on my PS4 BF4 good thing I didn't even start the campaign and the multilayer has been running smooth for me except for some questionable deaths i've encountered. ;)
WeedyOne  +   711d ago

Yeah I have had a few "questionable deaths" as well. Its like the game just randomly kills you for no reason sometimes.
Guwapo77  +   711d ago
After the 4th wipe, I decided to play MP only. I'm afraid to loose my cool if it wiped a 5th time.
BadlyPackedKeebab  +   711d ago
ditto, thank god for ps+ cloud backup, managed to download it again. So if you go to continue and it just says new game dont start a new one, go to ps+ and download the old save :o)
SlapHappyJesus  +   712d ago
It's not overblown.
I am one of the lucky few who honestly has had very few issues (PC), but it is not overblown.
This game is a bug-riddled mess for many, many gamers and all the platforms.
T2  +   711d ago
I haven't had many crashes on ps3, but still happens once a week, and the framerate drops during every levolution is a joke, wish they would just disable it... also as someone previously mentioned, hit detection is terrible but I think it's due to server lag... I have unloaded 3 shots to the face with shotgun and no damage... plus you get the can't move, can't do anything glitch where you are just not connected to the server at all...
there you go, that's my "minor" list of ps3 problems... pretty bad when that is considered minor.
venom06  +   712d ago
yeah.. it REALLY is way overblown (especially with clowns saying "unplayable")... it may have started out kinda shaky, but since the recent patches, its been MUCH MUCH better... you have to remember, that just as you have die-hard CoD haters on N4G, that have something negative to say at every turn, its the same way with the BF haters.. i'm a LVL70 now on BF4 (and i can atleast speak for the XB1 consoles), but the experience has been ALOT better since the recent release of fixes..
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dmeador  +   711d ago
Its easy to say its overblown if you haven't been having problems. The game crashed on me about once every 40 minutes.
Fluke_Skywalker  +   711d ago
Clearly not everyone is having issues, but an extremely overwhelming majority of people are having issues. So just because you aren't don't make out the problems don't exist. It is actually completely unplayable for some people!
I haven't had many issues (PC) myself but I have had more than I would be expecting! Plus my fiend who has it on Xbone couldn't get into any matches for days there!
So stfu it very much is unplayable for some people.
Shabutie13  +   711d ago
It isn't overblown. I haven't even had the worst of problems and I'm still fed up with it. I play on PC and I have a very solid setup that handles the game at 100+ FPS on Ultra. The problem is, I have crashed in the campaign every time I've tried to play it longer than 15 minutes, and multiplayer is a crapshoot of when I'll get dc'd and lose my progress.

Also, just because you don't have the same problems doesn't mean others do not.
FANTA1180  +   712d ago
u r lucky ..

theres nights i try to log on and i cant play a single match.

its aggravating.

and when you do get lucky enough to get in a map theres a chance you might exp one of many bugs

thank god for other games ...but if you are just playing bf4 i feel bad for you.
Necro_559  +   712d ago
Overblown? LOLOLOL. Right..... I bet you only play 1 or 2 rounds every once in a while. Any one who plays a lot knows the game STILL crashes every hour or so. And that after like 4 patches on consoles. Hell before the patches, it was nearly unplayable.
andygee1987  +   711d ago
I have yet to have any problems, DLC is working perfect as well, don't understand how so many people are complaining
Shabutie13  +   711d ago
Because you having good luck with it means everyone else is wrong. I'm glad you have the mega system that speaks on behalf of every Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS3, PS4, and gaming PC.
finbars75  +   711d ago
I'm sorry to break the news to you but every game I play on conquest along with my friends crash. I'm not really in the mood to play domination because the maps are laid out poorly along with all the other modes. The point of conquest is that its there bread and butter mode which everyone enjoys and if you cant play a full game with ought it crashing then this means doom to all BF fans. Don't get me started with the shitty net coding as well. The hit markers are a joke, putting in a full clip into someones back and them turning around to only shoot me with 2 bullets and I die and he still has %100 health is called terrible net coding. this tells me how bad this game has become. The more they patch it the worst it gets for us. So please don't go around and try to downplay how bad this game is. Its called REFUND or DO NOT BUY.
SonyKong64  +   711d ago
I still can't play 32 player conquest.. So no, hardly overblown..
Shaaunyb  +   711d ago
Overblown? For some people it's slightly worse..

For instance, i have been playing it nearly everyday since release and failed to finish an entire match from start to finish, only a few that have only lasted about 5 mins or less.
Spenok  +   711d ago
As far as MP goes? This is pretty much my issue as well. Though I do have some other minor issues here and there.

Now if we're talking SP then this game is screwed. Too many bugs to count. Especially the corrupt save data issue. Played 2 levels and got it :/
Nocando  +   711d ago
Why do I see effing twats like you defending this game every time this is brought up? This game is pure shit, and I am stuck with it. These issues are even more widespread then is being let on. I feel as if I have been robbed.
badz149  +   711d ago

way overblown? you can find people complaining about BF4 everywhere on the internet now. I don't think it's being overblown at all! the game is rushed, no question about that.
Alexious  +   711d ago
It's not just about disconnections, the game has bad netcode and many other glitches.
Juangie3  +   711d ago
Its improved a lot with the updates (PS4) however i find most crashes happen when i play conquest.. I hope they sort it out this is my current fave game
edwick  +   711d ago
i think the people that are complaining have legitimate reasons, and the people that aren't complaining either choose to ignore the problems, have learned to deal with them, or just don't really care that much. the game obviously has problems, because the developers themselves have said they are trying to fix them, and have an "all hands on deck" attitude about it. you don't give that sort of ultimatum for minor issues.
TAURUS-555  +   711d ago
i guess COD ghost has won the FPS war.
FunkMacNasty  +   711d ago
Some people are saying Bf4 is unplayable, which I don't think is the case for everyone across every platform, but I can tell you from my experiece with the game on ps3, its not "unplayable", per se, but there are enough issues that detract from what could've been a far more enjoyable experience for online FPS fans.

I've not had major issues being kicked from servers or "crashing" (though it's happened a few times), but I do experience quite a bit of lag/rubber banding, Often when I spawn in a vehichle, all sound dissapears exept for the AI radio chatter, and overall, depending on my connection textures load rediculously slow, to the point where if I'm using iron sights on a weapon such as the M416, I cant even aim-down-sights, because the iron sights havent fully texture loaded, so I have basically a black square which completely obscures my vision when I aim with ironsights.

On top of that, my singleplayer campaign WILL. NOT. SAVE. It's to the point where I'm done trying.. it seemed pretty lame anyway, so I probably won't miss much. But still... I paid full price for the game, so I want to be able to go through the campaing at least
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deecee33  +   711d ago
You guys/girls hear about this? It's possible
EA may not have been completely within the law in their haste to ship BF4 and show it off to investors:
Garethvk  +   712d ago
I would say not since EA has ordered Dice to halt work on their Star Wars and other games to fix issues with BF 4. They would not delay games and essentially spend money if there was not a need for it. PC version is a mess.
Parasyte  +   711d ago
EA would do just that if they see all of their money going down the drain.
Nocando  +   711d ago
Yeah, digital deluxe here, tried to get my money back but EA's "great games guarantee" states that after beginning the game, after 24 hours I am SOL.
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vikingland1  +   712d ago
N4G users:
Is this game broken or not? I have ps4&xb1. I know I could use google to do some research , but I would rather ask gamers.
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WeedyOne  +   712d ago
The game is playable but I hear ps4 players are still getting there single player campaign deleted.
JessiePinkmanYo  +   712d ago
I play it on X1 and it is SLOWLY coming along with patches. Although it's better, you still crash to the dashboard (mainly Conquest) which is frustrating especially since some rounds go over an hour-you lose EVERYTHING you gained in the match. I don't play the campaign, but I've heard reports of it losing your data and starting again. ALSO-Premium has been troublesome for some not being able to download the China Rising maps.
Overall, this game is awesome when it works. If you get it, I'd play Rush, TDM or obliteration, this way if it crashes, you won't lose out on much. Conquest is the mode with most crashes.
Omegasyde  +   712d ago
Jessie, the best part of disconnects are when you the game loads to the scoreboard and boom kicked out.

I highly "enjoy" being kicked out of a 30 minute gaming session and having my ribbons and unlocks revert to before the game. I also am so "delighted" I purchased BF4 premium.
DomceM  +   711d ago

Your own fault for buying the premium. You see the situation yourself: times have changed. Having games that work on release is no longer important for devs nor publishers.

Sooo reason would state you wouldn't buy things blindly.

Next time wait a year and get the game from bargain bin when its complete.
Callediceman  +   712d ago
ps4 got it 11/15/13.. (i only play multiplayer) was rough for about a week could only do deathmatch and would kick me back to dash every 2 or so hours.... played this weekend not one crash and all servers working fine with zero multiplayer issues to report(i played conquest, conquest large,rush and deathmatch...) and for some saying i keep getting zero players in the servers... click right thumbstick and change your search criteria like 1-5 avail slots etc... its not rocket surgery.
andibandit  +   711d ago
i'd hate to be that patient.
Callediceman  +   711d ago
@andibandit Luckily i had Assasins Creed Killzone and Need For Speed Rivals.. and in noway am I condoning this shotgun release of a game before its finished. i have logged 23 hours and total have prolly been kicked 10 times and lost stats from one game.. but i put in about 10 hours this weekend with no issue (some rubberbanding but that was solved by going onto another server) AGAIN i dont condone what ea/dice did im just saying for the ps4 its not game breaking and seems to be getting better with every patch. for me anyway..
KwietStorm  +   712d ago
Well it plays much better now than it did at release, if that says anything.
aquamala  +   712d ago
it's fine on PS4 except the 64 player conquest mode (definitely not 60 fps, with very noticeable slow downs), and I wouldn't play the campaign unless you plan to finish it in one sitting (save gets wiped)
Darrius Cole  +   712d ago
I play it on PS4. It's not broken at all. Although let me say that I only play multiplayer.

It crashes me out of rooms about once every 10-15 matches. That's not good, but it's not at all unplayable. Most of the time I still get the credit for the stats that I had accumulated before I crashed out. One time I even got notice that I had won a match after I crashed out of it and had restarted the game and was looking for another server to join.
andygee1987  +   711d ago
I platinum'd the game without a single problem, china rising dlc also as worked for me faultless
famoussasjohn  +   711d ago
While the latest patch seem to have fixed a few of my issues, I still do get randomly dropped from servers and sometimes get sent back to the dashboard. When I do get sent back to the dashboard, I reload BF and it starts loading me back into the server I was in before the crash (Don't know if this is by design, or just a glitch.)

Before the patch I wanted to snap the disc in half and send it back to EA. I couldn't play any domination servers for more than 5 minutes. I'd get dropped or the game would crash to dashboard, I would rubberband like crazy, sometimes the lag was so bad that if I was in a jet and have a heavy lag spike, it would look like I'm still in the game, and then it would all just click back together and I'd be nose diving into the ground.

The last month or so had been very annoying with this game, though when it works, it's great.
finbars75  +   711d ago
Its broken. Constant crashing,net coding creates terrible hit detection ect. Go on twitch tv and watch those playing on next gen. I do stream and everyone who watches me has seen the constant crashing that goes with this game. The worst part is that I have about 38 games that have crashed and kept my K/D but not my points. I don't care about my K/D at all I just like winning and when you are winning and the game crashes on a few of us this changes the outcome of the game every time. The game is straight up broken either you like to hear it or not and double xp means nothing when the game doesn't work.
Ashby_JC  +   711d ago
Users experiences vary greatly. For each that have had major issues there are one's like me who haven't.

I have experienced periods of lag. But none more then other online games.

A few days Before the patch I was getting no drops at all. Now early on release I was getting dropped from games a lot. And none after the patch.

I would say buy the game...Because it's a great game when it works. And I know they..The devs are doing everything they can to get it right.

Ps-my premium I'd working fine. The new maps does have issues with sound drops.
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Aleithian  +   711d ago

- Lost my SP once.
- For the first 2-3 weeks, MP quit maybe once an hour.
- I stopped playing after a week due to crashes, only checking in once or twice after that. I finally booted up again a week ago to put some hours in and have had maybe 4 crashes, two on the same level. Compared to how things were, I call that good so am playing a lot now.
- Can't speak to the other smaller issues, but I can believe them based on my experience (e.g. hit detection, sound problems, etc.)
Nocando  +   711d ago
Great when it works, which for me has been 20% of the time. Do not buy this game.
FunkMacNasty  +   711d ago
AS I said in an earlier comment, I'm currently playing BF4 on ps3 and for me it's not "unplayable", but there are a lot of bugs that detract from the overall enjoyment of the game.
JessiePinkmanYo  +   712d ago
I feel bad for slandering Dice. I'll agree, all signs point to the hogs higher up at EA. Great game when it works though
Hanuman  +   712d ago
Go to the official forum.
porkChop  +   712d ago
So the problem is with EA then? Eh, I think that's only partially true. EA is bad, and I do believe that they negatively impact their games, but this isn't all EA. There are many studios out there that have no problems making a competent, polished, working FPS in 2 years. Dice consistently releases games that feel like they're in alpha. They're always unfinished. I have a hard time believing that's solely the publishers fault.
BluP  +   712d ago
EA decides when the game releases though. If EA thought that BF4 wasn't ready, they should have let DICE continue to work on it.

The dev basically does what the publisher wants. The publishers have far too much power over the devs now. Almost any problems a game has nowadays (rushed, incomplete, on-disc dlc, etc) can all be blamed on the pubs.
RegorL  +   711d ago
Higher might be even higher than EA...

It could even be SONY and Microsoft requesting an early release to have 3rd party games at launch.

Both Microsoft and SONY tests games before release, and
stop games that doesn't cut it - why didn't they stop BF4?
- did not crash for them?
- crashed, but releasing was more important for them as well

My PS3 game has worked great, I have never seen a crash.

The fact that it works even om PS4 and XBox1 for some might be a clue that it did not crash (much) during tests.
- network latency induced crashes?
JasonRoseEh  +   712d ago
It's no mystery this is EA's fault and they didn't release a properly finished game all year. All rushed and putting the devs under undue stress to hit ridiculous deadlines.

Battlefield 4 is a travesty of a release, which is a shame because when it works, it's awesome.
BattleTorn  +   712d ago
I have this dream that the issues resolve by christmas. But that's high hopes
Hartsy  +   712d ago
The Xbox record function has been great for this game! It allows me to show all the ballsh*t that happens! I.E firing a hole clip into some1s face and them not dieing.
H0RSE  +   712d ago
Since I mainly use shotguns, I've been working on "shotgun BS" clips. Wish the record feature was around for past BF games, I'd have a an entire boxset worth of content...
T2  +   711d ago
yup, have seen multiple shotgun rounds to the face from inside 10 feet do nothing.. no hit, no dmg, nada.
cyclindk  +   711d ago
Agree, but there's almost too much to record!
andibandit  +   711d ago
Maybe the bullets were deflected by a nose ring
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mochachino  +   712d ago
So budgetary ?

I know EA doesn't like spending money on patching game bugs. Sometimes, if the game isn't popular enough EA will outright refuse to pay to find a fix like with the Crysis 2 grain bug, despite the devs acknowledging the problem.
H0RSE  +   712d ago
Love when people use their personal experiences with problems, to justify the overall severity of them...
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Kennytaur  +   712d ago
I've only had one issue, a crash to PS4s menu. Once.
saf100792  +   712d ago
Lucky you. I'm in the 100s
SlapHappyJesus  +   712d ago
EA funds the games.
EA decides when it releases and how they market it.

We have all seen what a quality DICE release looks like. Do we really think that they aren't a proper-enough developer to be able to release a stable game?
It's obvious where the issue lies and it's EA releasing what is an unfinished game.
SITH  +   711d ago
Hence, publisher. Regardless it is Dice's job to make a stable game. Not EA's. Dice knows the time frame, and releases a projection to it's publisher EA of a time frame for release. Clearly that time frame was set to be in proximity to the release of next gen consoles, and too go head to head with call of duty a game dice has been chasing to beat for years.
SITH  +   711d ago
Quick match rush still does not work on XB1. I either get no connection, or sent to team death match. This after and before the recent patch.
quenomamen  +   711d ago
Problems I have on PS4 is rubber banding / lag and the game crash which happens about 1 in 15 matches, and I would still rather play it the way it is than Call It Doodie.
cyclindk  +   711d ago
My friend and I have just had to learn to "cope" with all the issues in order for it to be "playable" for us, outside of the connection, lag, problems.

- Hit detection... having to lead on a target WALKING slowly ten feet in front of you (automatic weapons to boot, short range)?! Or shooting stationary targets in the brain multiple times and yeah, Nada...
- Animation/other LAG, people kill you EVERYTIME before the weapon or their character actually animates the weapon firing or pulling out a gun or even LOOKING in your direction
- Attempting to pick up "map weapons" gets you into that drop/pickup/drop loop unless you perform a stupid "fix" maneuver to bypass it
- And I forget whatever stupid reason they had for changing getting in and out of vehicles to SQUARE... idiots
- Knife countering needs to be altered... I don't waste time on frontals obviously anymore, but it's just dumb what they've done with it
- Terrain traversal is not smooth at all for vehicles or infantry... much less so than Battlefield 3... get stuck on SOOOO much crap. Poor job there, all probably comes down to the rush job... lots of little visually "unfinished" places in maps, see through the terrain, objects not meeting up with the ground or other surfaces correctly.
- light machine gun "scope wiggle..." just, no
- Snipers need MUCH extended breath hold... starting to feel like freaking CALL OF DUTY!
- map borders feel way too tight to the playable areas
- need to ditch the L1 R1 L2 R2 class/weapon set up system... X and Circle and D-Pad and add custom class load-outs for Christ sake!
- List goes on...
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Guwapo77  +   711d ago
I mentioned this in another thread about publishers messing with the developers while creating their masterpieces. I got a few disagrees like this stuff never happens. They are JUST the publisher...

Sad to see Dice having deal with the pressures of EA breathing down their neck all the time. Unfortunately I had to recommend to friends to pick up COD Ghosts because BF4 is just broken.

In my opinion BF4 > COD when it works... I got high hopes for BF5. >8-Þ
KontryBoy706  +   711d ago
I'm sure the "problem" is EA. They probably made DICE rush this game out.
MRHARDON  +   711d ago
Nope, the problem is with DICE.

DICE knew of the 2 year dev window and they knew would be rushing the game from the get-go. They should of done less features in the game to have a less work load so they could spend more time testing the game thoroughly.

Quality over Quantity is something DICE of listened to.
MrSwankSinatra  +   711d ago
everything you just said in your comment is retarded. it's so retarded i don't even think segueing that will make a difference. do everyone else a favor an close your account NOW.
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metus  +   711d ago
My game was broken metaphorically speaking at first...then I broke it for real..
LAWSON72  +   711d ago
I gave up on this game after the nov 13 (15?) update and decided I would wait to play it again after a month or two. I had to sell my GPU a week or two ago and am getting a new one sometime this week. I hope the problems are not too bad when I try it again because I have yet to get my $60 worth.
PsylentKiller  +   711d ago
I posted this under another article but I'm posting make people aware of the possibility of getting a refund.
I just called EA again about 20 minutes ago. There was nothing they could do for a refund because they didn't sell me the game. But they did tell me that I can send them my physical copy and they would send me an unopened copy so that it would be easier to return it to GameStop.

I called Microsoft immediately after hanging up with EA. I told them that I was upset with Microsoft because they had told me in another conversation that they could not refund the game or the premium membership:

1. Because it was a digital copy.
2. That I would still have the license for the game even after the refund.
3. EA made a statement that they are the sole reason for the game being broken, so they have no obligation to refund anything.
4. EA makes the game, they received my money even though I bought it through the Xbox Store. Xbox doesn't make a profit from digital third party games sold through their store.

The representative from Microsoft, that I spoke with today, was very polite and professional. He said "Here's what I can do for you today. I can refund you the money for Battlefield 4 and you can keep your premium membership for when you decide to purchase Battlefield 4 later on. " I asked if I could get a refund for the premium as well and he said yes. "

I now have $119.24 on my Microsoft account. I also no longer have the license for Battlefield 4. I tried to play Battlefield 4 after I hung up with them and it asks if I am the owner of this game. When I view the game in the store, it no longer says installed but buy $59.99 instead. So, they can return digital purchases after all.
Nintenja  +   711d ago
Everythin EA touches turns to poo.
Hartsy  +   711d ago
I want my money back
Drithe  +   711d ago
I want my money back too, Hartsy. The first month I had to press a button quickly just to even get into a match without the game cutting off with an error number. I had to reinstall it 10 times.

If someone brings a class action lawsuit against these guys I am in on this. This game was NOT ready at all. I give it a 2 out of 10.
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PsylentKiller  +   711d ago
If you want your money back return the game to the store you bought it from. I just returned my physical copy of BF4 to GameStop about an hour ago and got a full refund.

Look at my post a few comments above about how I got a refund on my digital copy.
AKS  +   711d ago
I have the PC and PS4 versions, and both have noticeable problems. The graphics of the PS4 version look quite nice, and the game runs pretty smooth most of the time for me. However, I get weird crashes in the campaign of all things, and there are still some issues with multiplayer. I can't believe there isn't a better way to play with friends. I might not end up on the same team, let along same squad.

My experiences with the PC version are primarily related to the microstutter, and I'm just going to put this version on hold for now until Nvidia/ DICE get this fixed. I had to do the same with Tomb Raider, which I recently came back to and completed, as it was a trainwreck at launch. Runs pretty smooth now, even with the "next gen hair" (LOL). It would be nice if they finished the damn game before charging what they do.
BaconBits  +   711d ago
It has to be more to do with the servers themselves and/or the individuals internet connection. If it was purely game code then shouldn't everyone get the same problems?? I for one have had very little issues. I have had it error out to the menu twice but that is only when pushing the home button, and the rubber banding/micro stutter is much better since the last patch. It was only a minor annoyance in the first place. In my opinion I think your internet speed plays a lot into these MP games and if you are at the bare minimum there are bound to be issues. I mean how can hit detection be accurate if your connection is slow? no way around for that.
Gamer666  +   711d ago
Honestly, that is a lame cop-out.

There are problems with the game, and the devt and publisher together are accountable to fix them. If it was so bad for Dice they could just go independent from EA and find another publisher...
AKS  +   711d ago
Just go independent? I think you are underestimating the type of undertaking that would be. Just make something like Frostbite and Battlefield games on all platforms on your own? We're talking truckloads full of money in terms of investment. Many truckloads.
SLUG  +   711d ago
i hope star wars games do not end up like this if they do its a all out wars for ea disney would be very angry and the fans would be very angry too please ea make better games ok
meday354  +   711d ago
finally the cats out the bag. ''An anonymous QA tester corroborated this idea just last month, stating the Swedish developer was being forced to rush the game in order to beat Call of Duty to market.''
purp13m0nk3y  +   711d ago
I have had very few issues with BF4 on PS4. I've been kicked randomly once or twice. But online issues are minimal.

They really need to address the broken water physics (you seem to spend more time underwater than on it in big swells) and the few times in SP you are on the water it handles perfectly so what gives.

Also some minor hit detection issues in MP but all in all I think it's about a buggy as BF3 was at the same point in its life cycle.

As long as they are hard at work tweaking and improving then I'm satisfied.

My biggest issue is that which I had with BF3 too. DLC should be included as part of the original cost of purchase. Paying another $70AU for premium is major BS. It basically makes BF a $170AU game because honestly your missing out on a lot if you don't purchase the DLC's.
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