"In this video we get to talk about the latest tweet made by Naughty Dog regarding monetization on Youtube"
Nope sorry Naughty Dog is right. You only view this from the side of the Lets Players. I think LastofUs/Beyond 2 souls and other heavily story based games, lost plenty of sales thanks to Youtube videos showing their entire game.
I don't get it, a lot of people seemed to be against digital distribution because they felt like they didn't "own" the product that they spent money on. Now we see things like this where we're not allowed post gameplay videos and do with with them as we please on the internet because of arbitrary restrictions and some people are defending it? People watching a let's play on Youtube aren't going to forego buying the game because they've seen a few minutes of gameplay and a set piece or two. If they were going to purchase it before watching the LP, they're probably going to still purchase it. Conversely, someone who's on the fence about it comes and sees a LP video and that could turn out to be what aides in his/her decision to buy it. If these videos don't exist, or there's no way for the people who make them to benefit from them, it's a loss of free advertising. Thankfully many of the more customer-focused game developers still realize the benefits of having a dedicated online community that produce content for other players to watch.
Both sidesxare somewhat understandable, BUT ...don't forget that movies can't be shared like games can. Imagine doing someone a "Lets watch" for a 90min movie, that wouldn't be allowed too. You can basically see every game from start to finish on Youtube and and I'm sure this has some effect on sales and I would think it's rather negative than positive (as a form of advertisement). I for one have no problem with that but I can understand that some are angry about it. I rather play games instead of watching someone playing them anyway. Also it's better to go blindly into a game without having watched tons of videos I think.
u do have a point that watching a few mins can help someone pick a game but i doubt thats what companies are getting at. i believe they're more against full walkthroughs. i seen many people just watch a game rather than play it, ive also seen many people bash a game from a walkthrough rather than play it. full walkthroughs rob a gamer of the thrill of just playing a game to see how it is. i rather hear someone say they bought a game didnt like it and traded it for a different game than say than say they didnt like it based on gameplay they saw. sometimes feed back is useful as a warning not as a decision but its a 50/50 thing. see im 20 if i had never tried pizza for myself when i was around 5 and waited for someone to tell me it tasted horrible then i would've missed out on 15yrs of heaven because i didnt try it and tooks someones word for it
I honestly believe that if someone is going to sit through an entire campaign of a game to watch it on a Let's Play video, they probably have no interest in buying the game. It's akin to the piracy argument. Is it really a lost sale? On the other hand, there are people that watch these videos to get a feel for the game. You're going to win some people over by it because they like what they see. The converse is true as well. You may lose people that are interested in the game because they don't like what they see. However, I don't really see what difference it makes. If people aren't going to buy a game based on publisher released marketing, then they aren't likely to buy it without playing it first through rental, or at a friends house, or something. So it's not like they won't see the game.
I think the whole debate is making money off Lets Play videos, I don't believe anyone should be allowed to make money from someones else property. Reviews, short clips are fine but once you show the entire game or huge chunks of the game. People should not be allowed to make money from gameplay vidoes with commentary. Those same commentators can start reviewing games through Youtube and having lets play sessions on other sites. I'm fine with Lets Play as long as people aren't making money off it.
Can you show things that aren't walkthroughs? I understand both sides but I have only ever watched something once I own it or to see if I want to buy it. If a company isn't confident in their product...then too bad. But, I am an avid gamer and have never watched video so I didn't have to pay for it...wtf? I think they will experience unforseen consequences...one of which is diminishing or hurting a culture that actually needs help right now. As we move towards social integration, recording and sharing on new consoles, I think this move is backwards. Moreover, my guess is that its a powerplay with an attempt to limit certain content to particular companies and sites. Anytime money is being made, others feel that they must b losing money. Cmon. I guarantee you that the advertisement and support alone is worth it. How many videos spent countless hours praising The Last of Us? How many ppl do u think actually bought the game as opposed to hooking it up to their TV for Friday night movie night?
To be fair, Naughty Dog hasn't imposed anything. The tweet said they just didn't like it and didn't go into any detail. They have not clarified their view beyond that at all. People are just jumping to conclusions.
I think the burden is on the developers to make games people want to play, not just watch. As they have no right to restrict players from letting others watch as they play a game they own.
That is the issue with Naughty Dog. They make fun games to play, no doubt about it, but they are also really fun to watch (movie quality). I remember playing Uncharted 2 in my halls at university. My flat would sit their watching. I asked if they wanted to play but they said no. They enjoyed the movie quality aspect.
Is it simply the broadcasting of a video game or the monetization of it? And if it is just the later than theyhave no real issue with the videos...just the fact that someone is making money off their intellectual property. But the we may ask, whose IP is it if I am recording myself doing a speedrun?Wow...very murky. We need new laws. Until then, in a time in which a lot of money has bebeen invested in new consoles, I believe they should err on the side of caution and let the industry flourish. Investigate and lobby if need be...but be warned...unintendes consequences r real...and advertising isn't a 30 sec spot anymore!
I think you have a point. Story based games probably suffer from let's plays. I remember seeing let's plays of The Last Of Us but I didn't watch them because I d i didn't want it to be ruined. But there is probably an equal amount of people who would watch them and think I know the big fuss with this game now. I don't really need to buy it. It's like a let's play of a movie (like zod18 said). Some people on YouTube do let's plays properly (They avoid spoilers and dont go too far into the game). Sadly I feel these people are in the minority (I do subscribe to this minority)
Maybe Beyond, but I doubt TLoU lost any sales because of videos.
They are against monetization of content they create not Lets Plays.
There's a diffence between a let's play and showing a game. Let's play is more about the personality playing the game than the actual game. I don't think it discouraged anyone unless the game turns out to be rubbish. If someone is the type who thinks a let's play might discourage them from buying a game then it's their own fault for spoiling the game for themselves and not the let's play or YouTube.
You think they lost sales based on what?
Beyond lost sales because it was a movie that had little to no proper interaction, and they lied about our choices mattering. The Last of Us losing sales? PFFT as if it did.
I actually know plenty of people that decided to not buy The Last of Us base on let's play's *coughparatrooper1n0cough* and considered the game garbage after a couple of minutes. Opinions can be strange sometimes...
Are people not allowed to formulate their own opinions?
Huh? Who said otherwise? Being strange doesn't deviate the fact that it's there, that's nature.
Saying something is garbage is not an opinion.
The Last of Us was a great movie, but anyone who watched 2 hours of it would have realize it's a horrible game (actually playing it is even worse). And this is coming from someone who loves Jak and Daxter (One of my favorite games) and Uncharted Series was really solid as well. The last of Us is a Pretty Turd that showed us many "Game Reviewers" would much rather be reviewing Movies.
See, saying it is an horrible game is not an opinion, telling what you didnt like however is. The last of us is one hell of a game I am on my 4th playthrough, and you are telling me and everyone else that the game is horrible, that sure sounds stupid don't you think.
So Uncharted, of all games, is really solid, but The Last Of Us is nothing but a good movie. Lmao
you are drunk go home
Seems like a good way for publishers with s**t games to sucker a few extra customers.
Good thing Naughty Dog doesn't make Shitty games. Try again.
Not always but sometimes they do...Like when they made The Last of Us.
No, they just make shitty movies I tried.
^^ and failed.
Jak and Daxter = Solid Gold. Last of Us = Pretty Shit. Naughty Dog makes some of my favorite games (Jak, Crash, Uncharted) but sometimes they make shit like Last of Us.
lmao these guys are trying to hard^
After Jak and Daxter , it was most of the time creating cinematic games , I just hope they return for the era were they created story and enjoying gameplay ,not just seeing a story run and just that .
Riderz1337 Defensive? I said "puslishers," and I was referring to the aggressive YouTube flagging. Try again.
Please tell us more.
Xbox 360 fanboys dont have games to play,then have to talk shit about the PS3 Masterpieces.
I said nothing about either console or their games. You people are legit psycho.
bunch of little b*tches that don't know a good game when they see it.
i always watch youtube gameplay before buying anygame, most game devs dont release demos anymore cos they are scared it will turn people off, so do they want us to make blind purchases??? i can youtube a review of just about anything movies, books, products what makes games so speical???
Naughty Dog releases demos/betas for their game. Try again.
i agree with u 100% there needs to be a demo for every game. i normally have great judgements in games but when i wanna buy a psn game or a game i never heard of on ps3 or ps4(when more games come out for my system) i wanna test it out before i spend $$$ that i wont fully get back
I doubt Naughty Dog gets many sales from YouTube videos. They're way above that. Only small developers might get that kind of help. If he wants to blame anyone for this mess though blame Nintendo. Aren't they the ones who started this whole YouTube mess?
if videos cant be shown then companies need to start having better demos. there are countless times where i want a game but theres no demo so i look at little gameplay. i dont watch full walk throughs because it spoils the game which is why i can see why developers dont want full gameplay online but watching gameplay doesnt really help me decide if i want to buy a game, playing a demo does. im pretty sure most people watch videos because there isnt really a decent demo to test out. im a throphy hunter, so when i see a game in stores or on the psn i wanna be able to play a sample of it before my judgement.
some of the channels have adverts which they get paid for. there using a developers game to make money. thats wrong imo. also if a player sucks at a game they can make the game look bad. i do see there NDs issue and im fed up with half the rubbish gaming videos on youtube,but theres a small few that do it well and its a shame for them
"also if a player sucks at a game they can make the game look bad" And yet Sony is offering a way for every single user be able to stream their game play on their service so anyone can watch regardless of how good they are at playing it.
The difference is that they aren't making money off of it Many lets players don't talk over the gameplay(most people prefer that) so they are essentially getting money for solely posting gameplay of the game online Its not like its a review or something where some gameplay is required
Fair enough. I feel there are many categories of lets play. The ones that just play and show. The play and talk type offering their own commentary. And then the ones that do it as kind of a walk through, showing only the more difficult parts of the game. I guess there are all types of people that watch these videos for their own reason. I personally can't see why anyone would want to sit through an entire game and not play it.
How do developers and publishers not realize that this is free advertising... I am shocked to see Naughty Dog of all developers take a strong stance against Gamers uploading gameplay videos, they were the last people I would of thought to do this.
The problem is Naughty Dog makes Amazing Story Driven single player games but with almost zero "replayability", So if you make a full Gameplay video,you basically showing all the game and a lot of people will not buy it anymore because they saw all the important stuff. In this case the "free ad" doesn't work properly. Thats why ND always release demos,people play it and film to other people watch.
Are Naughty Dogs games not selling well? No... There some of the best selling games for the Playstation consoles, let players have hardly hindered sales, in fact it would promote sales as people would see the game and notice how excellent it is and buy it.
They're not against uploading their against someone making money off of their IP. It would be like if you made a video on youtube then someone take that video, does a little editing and then post it as a new video. The began making money off of the work you had done.
People should stop to act like a bunch of cry baby. If a dev. dont want you to meonetise a game, thats their right to do so, they create the game and they have the copyright to the game at the end of the day...
can't believe people are defending them you sony fans are unbelievable. You always do stuff like this, like defending paying for online multiplayer despite being in fierce opposition of it when XBL was doing it, now you defend naughty dog cracking down on monetization while just a few days ago you were up in arms against this new policy? all dat hypocrisy
pretty much took the words out of my mouth on why out of all the platform fanbases i hate the sony one's the most
1. ND has been this way from the beginning, this isn't a new policy from them that appeared during this new Youtube drama 2. PS+ isn't the same as XBL. I don't have a PS4, yet I'm paying for Plus because I enjoy the many games I get to play throughout the year without having to spend $20 getting them used (since getting it last year I've played Hitman, Borderlands 2, Dragon's Dogma, Saint's Row 3 and soon I'm gonna get at the HD versions of ICO and Shadow of the Colossus). XBL's only function is to allow online play, AND it costs more
There needs to be a happy middle imho.. I agree that people who just record themselves playing through a story don't deserve to make money off of it but there are tons of people who put some real thought into the content of their videos and do the games they showcase a real service.. why shouldn't they be compensated somewhat for the free promotion they are doing for the game? Like I said though, there needs to be a happy middle somewhere.. perhaps the copyright owner of the game gets a cut of the share or something?
Fanboys will be the end of gaming, that is what I get out of this whole discussion.
They don't even realize what this does in the long run now anybody that reviews a game and that doesn't give a "good" review will get flagged and prevented from telling the truth -_- youtube became a place to get unbiased reviews but now with this new lock down crappy games can sneak past and reviewers who try to be honest will be hit with copy-write claims . . . I really didn't expect naughty dog to take this type of stance
How did you get there? Yeah Youtube is becoming a bad place not just for gaming, but entertainment in general, but the things you wrote are never gonna happen.
Not everyone is rich enough to buy a single game that last 4-6hrs with no replayability. I rather watch it on youtube than waste money. But I do agree that youtube should put a stop on people making money for doing "lets play" videos. Most of them plays like a 7yrs old and their voice are louder than game's volume which is annoying. There are people who just upload a game without commentaries and doesn't even bother with the ads they just want to show us the game that's what i don't want to lose.
Bad news for you. The walkthroughs are what is looked as the biggest target. It's like uploading a movie onto YT. Let's players, reviewers, jorunalists use game to create content it's a bit different and in law terms more acceptable.
then rent them you big shitbag
It's like you make this great science fair project then someone else takes it and wins first prize. Your left with nothing but a kudos for the idea and no ribbon.
Booooo, bad doge..very bad
I agree with Naughty Dog when it comes down to let's plays. For the guys that are against Naughty Dog's statement, think as if it's your own project you worked hard for, and some one else simply takes it from you and takes all the credit.
Ya'll should get a real job.
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