Last week YouTube took down thousands of gameplay videos from its network, claiming they violate copyright laws. This whole thing happens thanks to the new Content ID system that automatically categorized each video you've uploaded.
Goes to show how much YouTube it's screwing up
Google has been doing everything in their power to drive people away from YouTube lately.
I honestly hope Twitch becomes the new "YouTube" but for gaming.
Yup. YouTube has been acing up for months, at least for me. Videos won't switch to HD unless I reload the page, pause, select HD, then move the play position by a few seconds. Full screen glitches out half the time. The play/pause/etc bar at the bottom of the video screws up and won't pull up. The list goes on and on. It just keeps getting worse. YouTube won't even load a single video ever on my HTC One or my Nexus 7.
It's pissing off a lot of people that has their job centered around gaming and reviews. YouTube rushed the ID system, it's unfair for the people that fairly uses the content. Even a slight glimpse of some content in the background can get a video flagged and taken down. What I really hope is for another video sharing website to step up and start taking it's place because YouTube is becoming the opposite of user friendly and is actually attacking the same people that are making YT money. Hopefully Twitch uses this opportunity to really spread it's wings because soon we're all going to need a new place to watch all of our gaming entertainment from the people that need the money to produce good quality videos. (Angry Joe being one of them, for example.)
Not just Youtube. Gmail sucks these days, too. They keep enabling stupid "features" like the promotions tab and expecting users to figure out how to disable, rather than asking us if we want them enabled first. Google is getting way too cocky.
"Google has been doing everything in their power to drive people away from YouTube lately." I can actually agree with this. It has trouble buffering even the simplest videos and I am sick and tired of having to pick which name I want displayed upon logging in.
I hope people are looking at Daily Motion. They've just started offering their "official content" package, letting people do most of what YouTube offers now with the partner system. I've been getting some of my content to Daily Motion with little trouble so far (though one of my videos is giving me a hard time on the technical side, but that has nothing to do with the current YouTube situation). Yeah, I think this is when Daily Motion should be opening the doors to gamers and saying "hey, don't forget that we exist"!
@PurpHerbison Buffering on Youtube has been a pain in the ass for years now. Ever since they enabled the block buffering I haven't been able to watch a video from start to finish. Youtube chooses to only load one chunk and until you actually hit the end of that chunk it won't load anything else. The end result is watching videos in 2 minute chunks. I pretty much avoid youtube as much as possible nowadays. The experience is just terrible now.
@darkpower That's where I've been going lately It's not nearly that copyright protected as YouTube
YouTube/Google isn't really the one to blame here. If Jonathan's game is being identified as Sony property then that is a Sony problem because Sony are the ones who initiate Content ID to search for this content. His problem is with Sony some reason claiming HIS content and needs to figure out why Sony is doing that. Google/YouTube's ContentID system doesn't just say, "hmm, maybe it belongs to Sony so give it to them." No, it matches anything up that a content owner submits to be searched for. Sony directly submitted the audiovisual content for tagging. But he wants to attack and bash Microsoft all the time but isn't saying a word on why Sony is claiming and making money off his property on YouTube..interesting. don't believe me? Just take a look at how the system works yourself: https://support.google.com/... "When Content ID identifies a match between your video and a file in this database, it applies the policy chosen by the content owner." ..."chosen by the content owner." ...chosen by, Sony. EDIT: lol @ the disagrees. How am i wrong? Honestly, explain it to me. Are you sony fans that delusional to not accept FACT even? lol whatever
The irony... http://n4g.com/news/905217/... EDIT: And let's not forget Naughty Dog's own channel taken down before... TWICE!!!
The system has been done by a robot, not a human being looking for every penny it can grab. This is not Sony's fault as with a lot of the flagging it is being done without the supposed content owner even being aware.
Oh look Youtube Register a trademark for the Witness on the PS4 and linked it to Sony , LETS BLAME IT ON SONY FOR THIS ! You do know that Youtube is behind all this mess and i'm sure Sony wont be that stupid to do such a trivial thing like this to a big indie developer like Jonathan . Blaze929 you are such a hypocrite fake gamer hating and blaming on Sony for no reason , Quit voting yourself up with your fake accounts your last response to me proves that you are one fake gamer who trying to prove himself with lies over someone who is being forced in 3 bubbles to respond to your hypocrisy.
You're wrong, old content before the change is automatically registered to a Youtube channel's ID without their awareness. Here's the video explaining it: http://www.youtube.com/watc... (It's at 17:00, but you can start at 14:00 for the full story on it) Because Jonathan Blow's game, The Witness first appeared on Playstation's YouTube channel, anything related to The Witness became automatically locked to that PS channel. Sony has to whitelist Jonathan Blow and allow him to post anything about "The Witness." That's why I think Content ID was rushed and not done properly because content is being tied to Youtube channels without their awareness. And this makes it a hassle that people have to go through all their hundreds of videos and manually turn Content ID off or let certain people post content related to whatever the video is about on their channel.
@Kryptix "You're wrong" ...but, you JUST posted a video (with time stamp) showing EXACTLY how I am right -_______- 18:15 "Another company claimed our music illegally and made false claims. So we had to manage the rights just to allow our customers. We never got involved in rights managements until we had to and now we have to manually whitelist our own customers." They literally just TOLD you they are involved in rights managements with ContentID because someone else was stealing their stuff. So they submitted THEIR content to ContentID rights management so that when found, it would automatically claimed and given to Video Copilot - the actual owners. But in order to allow customers to use it, as they have paid to do so - they need to be whitelisted BY VideoCopilot or face being tagged BY ContentID. this is the exact same thing i've been saying - how is this system really this hard to understand with you people? "Because Jonathan Blow's game, The Witness first appeared on Playstation's YouTube channel, anything related to The Witness became automatically locked to that PS channel. " YOU are wrong. a channel must be a member of the ContentID program. If it is not submitted into the database, it isn't being searched for - PERIOD. Sony submitted The Witness into the ContetID database. Content Owner submits something to contentID database ContentID uses content in database to match with videos on YouTube once found by contentID, it will be registered to whoever submitted the original content as the source match. These things are NOT being handed out to RANDOM channels. It's being handed to WHOEVER submitted the source into the ContentID database. Do you still not get it?
lol "But in order to allow customers to use it, as they have paid to do so - they need to be whitelisted BY VideoCopilot or face being tagged BY ContentID." You said it yourself... Even Nintendo is having trouble with it. http://wiiudaily.com/2013/1... "It’s nice to see that Nintendo is keen to work with its fans in order to help avoid these content ID matches that are currently nuking video game content all around the site. " -From link Hey...I'll give you a pat in the back for trying. It's all automated, and those channels with the ability to use ContentID have to manually whitelist people.
Blaze, you don't know what you're talking about. You're just a Microsoft fan looking to blame Sony for anything. The content ID system is completely automated and so many developers and publishers never made claims against so many videos and yet the videos were claimed in their name anyway. All that was necessary was the fact that the video was about a PS4 game, that's it. The system is totally broken. YouTube is the problem, not Sony. Sorry, you're going to have to put your torch and pitchfork away for another day.
DragonKnight knows what he's talking about. To stop any channel from claiming content that is not theirs, a large portion of the videos were automated to a certain channel ID. The very first "The Witness" video surfaced on the Playstation channel, so to stop any other channel from getting the rights to it, it got automated to Sony. And Sony can transfer the rights to a different ID when asked. So when I said "old videos are automated to be locked to the channel without awareness," that's what I meant. Newer videos are popping up a choice to submit it for ContentID checks, older videos are automated and need to be manually sorted out. Hope you understand now.
So, all those videos that people like Angry Joe and TotalBiscuit posted about this and how it actually happened is completely lost on you, is it? Good lord, the lengths people will go to validate their fanboyism!
Thats wrong. These companies can do that, but they are not the ones doing it. Third parties are the ones "helping" them filter things for them. For example Vevo makes putting music on YT a pain. You may get marked from Warner Bros music, but its actually Vevo that caught you. Sometimes it will even directly say "Vevo Has Rights" instead of Warner. It shows when you run a channel and challenge some of the content. If its listed as the company (in this case Sony) then it gets reversed and no one cares except the third party that is playing dirty. Had the issue before. GTTV and Spike were marking all our videos as copyright claims, even though the videos were sent to us from a PR. We contacted the PR about it, and they said they don't know why Spike/GTTV was doing that and to just challenge it so it gets reversed. We still got a strike and by the time YT put it back up it didn't matter.
The whole thing is automated and not claimed by companies (which is why everyone is getting g flagged at once). From my understanding is Google has severally messed up the system. By changing how the partnership system and content ID works everyone is being flagged. The whole system wasn't thought out. It ain't Sony's or anyone's fault but Google's. The way the have done it means everyone gets flagged for smallest amount of things (even the companies who are supposedly reporting the videos for violations have no idea what is going on because they didn't make a claim)
why do people like u exist?
Blaze is basically an xbot hating everything Sony relate typical hypocrite without any logical reason
The MS shill is strong with this one. "Don't feed the trolls."
@ Blaze929 I like how you completely ignored 'yewles1' post. Another example of this is Angry Joe's Skyrim videos were taken down and Bethesda contacted him saying that they had nothing to do with it. As well as an interview he conducted which was claimed by "TombRaider". And even if Sony did submit the content, why in the world would they purposely want to take it down from the developer's channel? That's not what happened. I think 'Kryptix' summarized it pretty well @ (#1.2.9). No matter how much you want to blame Sony, it ain't gonna make Xbox any better. Just saying.
You can't be serious.
This isn't Sony's fault, they tagged it for peopled who are actually breaking the copyright laws, its youtubes fault that they made an automated machine that will flag ANYTHING that is using their content even if its in fair use or if the person is the owner of the content. YouTube made a faulty system so yes you are very wrong.
"YouTube Flagged Jonathan Blow For Posting Footage of His Own Game" Jonathan Blow should blame Microsoft for this. /s
Yeah. YouTube sucks now. Monetization is ruining the internet, imo. This BLOWS!
Is it a possibility that YouTube may face lawsuits due to their broken system?
Yeah, I've been purposely not clicking on YouTube videos, even if I really want to see the content. I'm not sorting this lack of expression.
Its more of how the copyright association runs the government.
Where youtube is messing up is allowing bots to do their dirty work. These bots obviously have flaws.
At that, it's their own automated copyright service that is doing all of this. Multiple Youtubers I am subscribed to have had their videos flagged because the system recognizes only what is shown and assumes that the content cannot be monetized. However, many video game companies (like Deep Silver and Bethesda) have outright denied they are the ones flagging videos. Youtube's automated system is what's doing this and channels are finding flags that are being issued by companies they have never heard of (primarily from the music industry). For more clarification on this whole issue, the following videos are from Angry Joe (top link) and FarFromSubtle discussing what is happening with this copyright fiasco. http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... I hope these videos will be helpful to you guys in getting a better understanding of what Youtube has done and how broken their copyright claims system truly is. I mean, if it flagged a video of content from the actual owner of the content, then they need to fix this. It is affecting the livelihoods of many content creators that have given up their old jobs in favor of a career online. Many publishers and developers recognize this as well because they realize that content creators help in promoting games (whether through first-looks, news, or reviews). Google needs to stop pushing their gimmicks at us and get Youtube back on track.
Youtube u suck, fix it
Twitch is waaaay better
In what world? Not the one I'm living on, surely.
Twitch and youtube are 2 different beasts. Youtube is great for vods. Youtube live sucks. Twitch is great for live videos. Storing videos on twitch sucks.
you mean twitch where streams stop working for no reason and download speeds are gimped when they should work just fine. twitch has extremely bad servers and bad routing. console sharing trafic is making it that much worse and will continue to do so
I think he's saying that twitch has a chance of being better than youtube. I know one thing, youtube is getting worse not better. The next step is charging people to watch a video.
now they're giving twitch an opportunity to grow.
No surprise here. This is what the developers/hardware maker want all along. Consoles now has the abilities to stream gameplay, so I think they are the one behind scene here by putting fear to small Youtuber from making money.
Wow at YouTube hopping aboard the greed train. If this keeps up I hope they go out of business.
How exactly is YouTube flagging videos which cuts them off of revenue from ads being greedy? It'd be greedy if they let everyone monetize footage from Blows game.
YouTube is still making money off the videos. When the content is claimed, the monetization goes to the claimer and YouTube. So either way, YouTube makes money but they also rob someone of it.
Don't worry Fireseed, the greed will rear it's ugly head soon enough. This is just the first step toward charging people to access videos on youtube. It's not long now before youtube introduces a "premium youtube channel" that will charge you to watch shit. screw that.
Greedy people don't flag videos they make money off of via shared ad revenue if the video creator deletes said video. This last week is just stupidity.
Youtube go out of business....do you even read the news bra? Doubt a Google owned service will go out of business anytime soon....
If your video is flagged by content id, then someone told Youtube to look for that content. If his violation came from Sony, then it was Sony who told Youtube to look for that content. That is how Content ID works.
No. The ContentID thing is automatic. Hence why some developers who have open policies on their content are coming out like "we didn't flag it"
I'm a Youtuber whose been doing this for several years. If you get a content ID from a company, then that company told the system to search for that content. You think Youtube is just going to randomly flag a video and say this belongs to Sony on its own? Think about it Read about how it actually works https://support.google.com/...
Go back and read about these developers who claim they are for the Youtubers. Like Ubisoft for instance (Which has a great youtube policy) No one bothered to actually read what was happening - they simply said - LOOK - they are okay with this and Youtube is doing it on its own. Here is what Ubisoft said: "If you happen to be hit with claims on any of your Ubisoft content, it may be that some of the audio is being auto-matched against the music catalogue on our digital stores – it might show up as being claimed by our distributor ‘idol’. In such cases please take the following steps and we can get it cleared for you." Therefore - the system was working EXACTLY like it was suppose to. They had contracted their music out to IDOL who was putting the music in the Content ID. So they are being a little disingenuous when they say they had nothing to do with it. Technically they didn't manually put the claims out there, but they did hire a company who put it in the system to be flagged. Period. Here is a video I did explaining exactly how all of this works. http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Yarbie your full of shit....
@yarbie1000 One thing you need to understand man is that more often than not game studios do not have in house composers. The greater majority of studios hiring a composer under contract usually give them a share of the profits on external music (I.e. iTunes, CD releases, etc). Which is why I'm confused right now because you said it yourself in the video that "you turn off the music." Smart. Their a now way of predicting what contractual agreement may be between the developers, publishers, And composer.
they have a special algorithm, from my understanding most time they use the video sound and compare it with their huge database.
yarbie1000, if I could flag for just being flat out wrong I would, but can only diagree. But, you are 100% wrong. There are many people who have gone through this and it is an automated check that checks for portions of music or movies/tv shows in your uploaded videos. If it finds any match, it flags the video. Ways around this have been to reverse video footage, limit them to less than 5 seconds, cut the footage down to small portions of what is shown, zoom in on other portions, etc. You are 100% wrong in that 99.9999% of content ID issues right now are indeed part of an automated system and will continue to be as such until Google fixes things.
So what exactly was I wrong about? You said yourself the system is checking for music/clips in your videos. It is checking for things in its database that have been SUBMITTED to Content ID. I even left a link from Google Support that explains EXACTLY how it works. We are talking about CONTENT ID Specifically here. It is automated in the sense that its a machine scanning the database. But if you don't have any material that shows up that has been submitted by content owners then you aren't going to be flagged by Content ID. That is 100% Accurate. Go read the Kotaku article about Angry Joe. He was using music clips and parts of trailers and other footage (Even if it was very brief) There was a reason why some videos were flagged and others weren't. You can press disagree till you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change facts.
cgoodno you clearly have no idea how YouTube works. ContentID is an automated system - period. yarbie1000 is not denying that. He's saying in order for it to work, a content holder must submit audio and/or visual content to the ContentID database. For example, Sony submitted audiovisual content of The Witness to the ContentID automatic database. Once that has been submitted, ContentID automatically searched every video for anything that may match what Sony submitted. YouTube did a clean sweep of every video on their servers last Monday and if you had anything that matched up with what a Content Holder submitted to ContentID, then it was tagged and addressed accordingly to what the Content Holder told the system that it should do in such events. He never said this was some manual check and flagged by Sony themselves. If Atlantic Records submits a new Bruno Mars song to the ContentID database, the contentID system will AUTOMATICALLY search and tag anything close to it and assign it to whoever submitted the example media - and for this example, would be Atlantic Records. SO, in conclusion - Sony submitted The Witness media to the ContentID database. They set a policy on what ContentID should do when it finds matched media. ContentID searched, tagged, and gave anything matched - to Sony, because SONY - are the ones who set up the match in the first place. You get it now? Or nah?
***He's saying in order for it to work, a content holder must submit audio and/or visual content to the ContentID database.*** Incorrect. YouTube actually pulls this data from a database of copyright data. It is not submitted to YouTube directly with the intent to pull all copyright items down. You can submit a request, which is how it's normally worked, but with Content ID the implication of a request is not there. They just take from a database of generic copyright information and use it thinking that because it's copyrighted that it must mean they don't want that info on YouTube. This is the issue with Content ID. It is utilizing copyright information that no one has asked it to utilize in its searches. You see, you are saying someone at Sony said, "Hey, we don't want this to be used so please flag it, here's the video clip or bit of music and please find and remove them." When in reality, what's actually happening is "Hey, here's this big database of copyright data just sitting here. I think I, YouTube, will just pull from all of it and use it to ensure that I'm not using any of it." The fact that Sony has copyright on various things is normal, but Google is choosing to enforce it in this manner, not Sony or other companies. What needs to happen on YouTube's end is for them to allow companies to specify how they would like the copyright information to be utilized. Because, Content ID is a broad scope item that is just there to support one's copyright claims if the need arises. No one at Sony said "Here's my copyright, stop anyone from posting videos using said media." for the mass majority of their IPs, especially those that are released. Furthermore, no one at Sony says to automate based on tags, which is one of the biggest issues. If you have the tag of a game in a video, even if it has no video gameplay of the game in the video, you can get it flagged. Interviews with people with their game tags in the video... get flagged. Did Sony do this or did YouTube? You get it now? Or nah? tl;dr "They set a policy on what ContentID should do when it finds matched media. " That portion of your whole argument is false for 99.99% of the Content ID issues. They only submit copyright information, they don't designate how YouTube should enforce it. No one at Sony said to flag all videos with the name of a game is used as a tag.
@cgoodno "You see, you are saying someone at Sony said, "Hey, we don't want this to be used so please flag it, here's the video clip or bit of music and please find and remove them." " No, YOU are saying that. Stop putting words into my mouth because this is honestly not that hard to understand. I'm saying someone at Sony said, "hey, this content belongs to us. We just want you (ContentID) to know that. So don't give the rights to any other company (because there are a lot of fake claimants on YouTube)." That's ALL sony is doing. Just saying this IS our content. ContentID members (not just anyone is allowed access to this) will decide on what should happen because they HAVE to chose any of these options: "Monetize: If ads that you did not enable appear on or before your video, the content owner has applied a Monetize policy. Block: If the content owner has chosen a Block policy, your video will either not be viewable on YouTube, or its audio will be muted. The owner may choose to allow content within your video to play in some countries while blocking it in others. While you may not be able to see your video, or hear its audio, people in other regions may still be able to view and interact with it as usual. You will still be able to view, moderate, and respond to comments on the video from the Comments page in My Messages. Track: If the content owner has chosen a Track policy, your video will be unaffected. However, its viewership statistics will appear in the content owner's YouTube Analytics account." ContentID's job is to ONLY look for material that matches the content submitted to LOOK for. Once it finds such content, it AUTOMATICALLY claims it, and depending on the policy chosen (Monetize, Block, Track), it will assign the video to the content owner who submitted the original policy to ContentID's database in the first place. How are you honestly not understanding a system so simple as ContentID? I'm out of bubbles so if you all don't get it by now, you never will.
***How are you honestly not understanding a system so simple as ContentID? I'm out of bubbles so if you all don't get it by now, you never will.*** Because it's not doing what it's supposed to do. It's doing more and not at the direction of the people with the copyright claims. As I said, flagging content based on what tag is used is not based on the copyright claim, it's based on the flawed element of the whole automated process. You make this sound simple when a ton of video game bloggers have said that it isn't and that it is flagging content that has zero copyright content in it. All of this because of the flaws in Google's automated system. A system designed not at the request of the copyright holders, only by Google people. As I said, Sony never told them to flag videos with their game tag. But, that's what's happening. Some guy is video blogging about a game, shows no content, puts the game tag in... boom, it gets flagged. Edit: Now I'm trying to find this one video that talks about this in great detail and how he has dealt with it over the last few years. I need to start saving links.
I'm going to prove to you, yarbie1000 and Blaze929, that this automated system doesn't require Sony to make any kind of claim by using AngryJoe and his experience being flagged while the claimer had no idea of what was going on and in fact had nothing to do with it at all. http://youtu.be/QAi81_uvztM... Right at that point you see that one of the companies who are allegedly claiming Joe's stuff aren't actually the ones enforcing these claims. Joe goes into further detail a little bit after that. So, once again, it's YOUTUBE! It's NOT Sony.
@ cgoodno ~ "if I could flag for just being flat out wrong I would, but can only diagree." That's exactly what N4G needs. An option to flag posts that are clearly incorrect or blatantly factually wrong...then the information can be verified/reviewed, and the flag approved by a mod.
I agree with Oner. If anything could be gained from yarbie and Blazes fanboyism, and complete lack of being able to comprehend the reason people are getting flagged, it would be a way to flag incorrect information for verification. Put the burden of proof on the poster to prove their point. However, I empathize with you mods, CG. Since everyone would be getting flagged, and the amount of moderation required to make it all work would be unobtainable.
I know this is a little old, but I'll reply anyway. Here's a quote from the "How Content ID works" web page: "Copyright holders use Content ID to easily identify and manage their content on YouTube. Videos uploaded to YouTube are scanned against a database of files that have been SUBMITTED TO US BY CONTENT OWNERS. When Content ID identifies a match between your video and a file in this database, it applies the policy chosen by the content owner." So yes, it was Sony who submitted the material and told Content ID what to do when it finds a match. It is an automated system, but it's just doing what it's told to do, which is trying to find a match to something that Sony submitted. Here's where all the information is: https://support.google.com/... So Youtube's lying, you're wrong, or I'm misinterpreting something major here.
However it's supposed to work it clearly doesn't.. Exactly what happened to john Blow has happened to me too. A video of my own game with 100% my own sound, graphics, everything. They ask for proof/a TOS - i send that. They reject it.. (Presumably automatically) Yet all the other videos of the same (unfinished) game aren't flagged, some containing music. (Which i composed too, so..) It's outright broken.
Wtf is going on with you tube. I've been going there since 2003. Now I won't be using the site much if this keepa up.
Lol , Youtube started in 2005....