"Hopefully they will manage to get away from this on the new console."
OK Jonathan OK..... how many more rants, no matter if they true?
Exactly. He is the guy ranting every other week, and people here are thinking the all indies share his view. But those are people who want to believe that so, so be it. @zod18: Don't tell me show me. I don't be leave much of what is told to me. So I would need a link to even begin to consider your statement. All I see is Jonathan Blow every other week. I also see lots and lots of content on the 360. With indie games Like fruit Ninja, MineCraft ..., being hugely successful. Many others like Supper Meat Ball, Castle Crushers, starting and stay in on Xbox. So if a few of the no bodies, who can't find traction, what more help and are complaining you are willing to label M$ anti-indie on their decent. That is being very gullible.
Well there are definately a few if not a dozen indie developers saying similar things about Microsoft so there is some truth behind this.
Honestly it doesn't matter how many devs come out and say it, you will believe what you choose to believe.
"Braid" made is name on Xblive too by the way. Who knows what this guy expected from M$ after the success of his one game. In stead of crying and trying to get more out of M$, he should use that new found name recognition to make some more games that would now stand a better chance at success. He doesn't have to use XBL anymore, Steam and PSN now have the same type of service for indies. So he has choices. This public decent is doing to turn some gamers.
@BigPappy: "Exactly. He is the guy ranting every other week, and people here are thinking the all indies share his view. But those are people who want to believe that so, so be it." That is an exaggeration. Plenty of indies share his view, no one said all. It's been stated time and again that Microsoft treat indies poorly. "With indie games Like fruit Ninja, MineCraft ..., being hugely successful." In spite of Microsoft, not because of them. "Many others like Supper Meat Ball, Castle Crushers, starting and stay in on Xbox." Likely due to the fact that Microsoft's policies instead of a "love" for the platform. "So if a few of the no bodies, who can't find traction, what more help and are complaining you are willing to label M$ anti-indie on their decent." Nobodies? Lol, classic Microsoft fanboy comment. ""Braid" made is name on Xblive too by the way." It would have made it's name anywhere. Microsoft didn't provide anything that made the game a success. Jonathan Blow probably bit his tongue to get a foot in the door, and once he no longer needed to care about what Microsoft could do, he started talking out about them, and he's not the only one. "In stead of crying and trying to get more out of M$, he should use that new found name recognition to make some more games that would now stand a better chance at success." http://www.youtube.com/watc... "He doesn't have to use XBL anymore, Steam and PSN now have the same type of service for indies." "This public decent is doing to turn some gamers." None that matter. Only Microsoft fanboys. Thank God for that, and I think you meant "better" not "the same."
He has the balls to come out and expose Microshit's bs practices even after they threaten to ruin his life. This is the kind of person I listen to and not the manipulative corporation that wants to ruin the gaming industry with its fkcd up policies etc. If ever considered buying an Xbox, all that is gone for good. Big Corporations threaten to ruin other people's life is just UNACCEPTABLE! Microsoft will never see a cent of my money and I will take every single opportunity I have to informed anyone of this sort of things. Their DRM crap, NSA and kinect, their lies, the way they treat costumers and developers, etc. Anyone that at this point supports this company and defends it even with this kind of things just reflects the kind of person they are and they're in no possible way what the world needs to change for good.
@Bigpappy I really do not like his attitude either. He sounds like a whinny baby indie dev.. Mr fish was like this and we know what happened to him... If he doesnt like the xbx indie programme he can stay away..ms and xbx fans aint begging him to come on board..as it is there are enough developers listed under the programme (many who moved over from 360 too)and many many more are signing up by the day.
He cut his market in half, and then he goes on crying... This guy wanted MS to treat him like a God, get better treatment than all the other indies he purports to champion. All for one great game, but sold a lot more because MS really pushed his game... He might be exceptional, but he thinks he is the Messi of developers.... Grow up blow...Xbox has an eco system, works well for most... You are not special....
I am sure you also didn't "be leave" any of your Grammar school teachers.
all i have to say is blowfish! no matter how good, glad i didn't buy braid.
...supper meatball? castle crushers? Maybe I'm being pedantic but if you want to rant at least get the names of your examples right (did you even play them?) At the end of the day Jonathan Blow is stating his opinion. I personally know from being an aspiring game designer and professional software engineer (not games) that Microsoft do quite a lot to encourage people to use their platforms (whether they're good or not is a different matter) however I'm not quite in the rugged world of game creation yet.
@Insomnia84 And what the world needs is whining little fanboys like you.....ok kiddo
He sounds so whiney I'd swear he was a MS fanboy.
@ bigslappy Be leave. Lol. It's believe. Troll a dictionary and you might learn something...
Who are all these "plenty of indies" that have a problem with micro. No just no, some did not like the publishing rules last gen, and wanted better exposure on xbl, even then that criticism is far from hating micro but now micro has changed those strict policies and done something very big with all X1's capable of becoming devs kits. Micro currently have an impressive list of indie devs who are perfectly happy to work on their platform....but yeah why listen to the many, many indie devs who say similar things like this: "Demiurge is thrilled to be part of the [email protected] program. With straightforward policies and easy to use hardware, Microsoft has made it possible for independent developers like ourselves to become publishers of their own content. Thanks to that, we're excited to announce that we'll be bringing our ‘Shoot Many Robots’ franchise to Xbox One!" – Albert Reed, Demiurge Comcept (confirmed for Mighty No. 9) iNiS (makers of Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan) Vlambeer Double Eleven Slightly Mad Studios (confirmed for Project Cars) Born Ready Crytek (not Warframe but an unannounced title) Happion Labs (confirmed for Energy Hook) Definition 6 (aka SpyParty’s Chris Hecker) Team 17 (makers of Worms) Panic Button Double Fine Drinkbox (makers of Guacamelee!) Team Colorblind Signal Studios Zen Studios (makers of Zen Pinball) Bongfish Half-Brick Ninja Bee (makers of A World of Keflings) Zeboyd Games (confirmed for Cosmic Star Heroine) Nicalis The Men Who Wear Many Hats Iron Galaxy (confirmed for Divekick) Jackbox Games High Voltage Software (makers of The Conduit ) Capybara Games Hidden Path Gaijin Games The Odd Gentlemen (makers of The Misadventures of P.B. Winterbottom) WayForward Technologies Other Ocean Behaviour http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/... -Now who are all these indie devs that hate working with micro again? Names? Qoutes?...oh just the guy who likes to "Blow" his own horn.
https://www.google.com.au/s... That was hard. MS changed their policies for XB1, but there are still plenty of recent articles about indies and MS policies.
speaking of [email protected] policies. http://www.igameresponsibly... The witch beam dev had problems with [email protected] policies. http://mygaming.co.za/news/... "If you want your game to appear on Xbox Live, you can use the [email protected] program to do it as long as it appears on Xbox live first." "Some developers might encounter issues with their game and may decide to delay the Xbox One version to accommodate some extra dev time. In this case, you can only do so if you also delay the version of the game for other platforms, including the PC."
Funny how people will "listen" to him as he sh#ts on MS but no one will listen to journalists/reviewers when they dump on Sony or it's games. Then we get "media is biased", "MS paid them off", "MS owns them" or any other excuse to cover Sony's a$$. This guy had a bad experience with MS but it's time to move on. If this was any other dev talking about Sony for this long, all of you would have been calling for a ban on the guy, telling that same person to shut up. The double standards here.
I think Jonathan Blow is snorting a little too much, well, Blow Certainly not getting himself in good recognition spouting off towards Microsoft. Just kinda looks like a bitter little baby.
Oh I miss the days when we all just played games.
Won't be surprised if Blow is on Sony's payroll to spout this garbage.
"Funny how people will "listen" to him as he sh#ts on MS but no one will listen to journalists/reviewers when they dump on Sony or it's games. " Do you really need someone to explain to you the differences between Blow and journalists?
I think I know what you're saying. Not sure especially near the end. English please. Did you REALLY just write "be leave" instead of "believe"? WOW! Never in my life have I seen that!
Certainly he is exaggerating but the "proof is in the pudding". There's more indie games coming out for PS4, so that just says there's more benefits for the developers going the Sony route. There's less restrictive policies in general with Sony.
The animosity you Xbox fanboys show towards indie developers now that Xbox doesn't have a monopoly on them and they speak out against MS's terrible practices is disgusting. "Supper Meat Ball, Castle Crushers" ....and on top of it all, you're drunk.
yeah you mention super meat boy but if you've ever seen indie game the movie, they got bs from microsoft too, it eventually turned out fine but MS does Not care about indies, and the indies on there are there because of contracts
Jonathan Blow and developers like Brian Provinciano (Retro City Rampage) http://www.vg247.com/2013/0... 17-bit Studios (Skull of the Shogun) http://www.joystiq.com/2013... Team Meat (Super Meat Boy) http://www.destructoid.com/... All spoke against Microsoft's policies and how they treat indie developers. I'm sorry to say, but after reading the comments, Xbox fanboys are the worst and cannot accept truth. (All the proof is linked)
Nitwitter feeds! How horribly unexciting!!!
He says indies, but this applies to big developers as well. For example Bungie, they were treated like crap, which is why they bought themselves back. Level-5, after True Fantasy Live Online, they said they would never work with MS again after the way they treated them (although they are now developing WonderFlick multiplat). It isn't just indies, and it isn't some conspiracy. It is or at least WAS, definitely true.
what is Supper Meat Ball? :D
Just indies? How bout everyone in general including their customers? They charge people Xbox Gold Live for Game DVR, something that's Built-in Hardware. It's like swiping a credit card on a vacuum each time you want to clean up your house.
@Balls Lol but its true. MS has unnecessary strict rules for indies on the 360. “They have a cultural habit of treating small developers like shit. Hopefully they will manage to get away from this on the new console, but I have reason to be skeptical, as many of the people who treated devs badly still work there.” And they treat AAA devs like gods by throwing money at them. X1 seems way more lenient and forgiving to indies this time around at least. Hey its harsh but again its true.
Xbox 360 indie corner doesn't have a tonne of regulations at all. Getting a game on xbox live arcade was another story, but they got more attention and money releasing there. Frankly it's microsoft's closed system, if a dev doesn't like the policies they can ignore it. If they want money off it they can jump through the hoops. If it's all too much effort and they just want to have their game released without dealing with regulations, well that's what publishers are for.
Glad MS getting what they deserve. They are behind in console and pc gaming lol
Exactly, this guy is so sad. Get over it, ps4 is an excellent console to work for...
Jonathan Blow is starting to behave like a whining little c**t. Every week always with the whining ...
So someone tweets at him and he responds...that makes him a whiny c**t? I know it's difficult to read the actual tweets but you should still try. This wasn't an unprompted "rant".
I know john likes to rant, but this is more of stating the obvious at this point. He even said he hopes it changes. At this point everyone knows microsoft has had problems with plenty of third party indies. People wanna point toward minecraft and fruit ninja, but would they have shown up had they been popular?
300 characters over 3 tweets. Not sure if that qualifies as rant. Ok, a little more than three tweets, but still...
The problem with comments like this is, for everyone you make, your game better be that much more epic, otherwise you lose credibility no matter if what you say is true or not. Witness better be good.
this guy needs to go away. He made one game that was good. Thats it. I think this guy really has mental problems
xbone is shit deal with it
well this wasn't no surprise
Wow threatened to ruin his life unreal people still support this company.
Gotta give him props for being real.
no... he's past real and into stupid... the guy is way to sensitive and takes business personal
Good to see someone in the industry has the balls to call them out.
is that why MS sent Xone dev kit to all indie devs and small studios ? or its why every X1 have a dev mode that any small company can use it easily ? or maybe because minecraft sold 10M on 360 ?
they reel em in and then try to screw them unless they make MS money
i wish this guy would just get over it already and get back to doing his mf job. this sh.. is getting rather old. ok they did you in a way you thought was unfair to you. ok! we get it. now move the hell on. NEXT!!!!
That true indies are treating like crap, 1) Not accepting that one indie studio 2)Dodging Questions and not telling us that indie policy M$ 3) This basically just said what all were thinking This guy being real, if happens to be so true M$ getting exposed all day everyday
i guess his ranting is ok because he's bad mouthing MS...
Lol..this blow guy is always on a MS rant. He is free to take all his business elsewhere. He knows the deal. Without xbl his game would of been nothing. Kissing sony's but isn't gonna sell his games. When his game sell as well as minecraft he can talk.
Not once did he mention Sony. And he wouldn't be ranting if MS didn't treat devs, and consumers like garbage. It's time you pulled that deluded head of yours out of the sand.
@Belking Ignore the guy...at this rate lets hope he doesnt end up like Mr Fish from the blowfish gang.
It's common knowledge that MS don't treat indies as well as Sony do. I think i will take his word over yours.
Wow, now people sticking up for this prick, he has an agenda period. He doesn't care about people that buy his games, and was going cancel fez 2 because everybody was harassing him in his mind.
That was Fish, not Blow. They're both jerks, tho.
Phil Fish is the guy you're thinking of. Blow just came to his defense.
Wrong Dev, dude. Before you counter "I don't care--" just remember that it's harder for your (or any argument) to be taken seriously if you do zero homework.
Yeah. try getting the right guy before commenting.
Open mouth, insert foot
Microsoft and a EA is a perfect partnership. Microsoft loves throwing money around and EA will even let get it in their hair.
Lmao.. Oh n4g.. So many comments sayings its the truth blah blah blah.. Why? Because this guy is struggling to keep his name in the news and keeps ranting on and on.. Ever think the guy is an asshole and gets treated as such? Maybe like many hipster indie types, they feel entitled to way more then they deserve? Hating on ms doesn't make everything the "truth".. You kids are gullible as all hell lol
Why would he need to "struggle" to get his name in the news? He's one of the founders and supporters of Indie Fund alongside Kelee Santiago (formerly of thatgamecompany), and Nathan Vella (Capy the creators of one of your very first Xbox One indie games - Below). I think he already has his audience. A lot of independent developers put stock into what he says and it seems that because you don't like the fact that both himself and many other independant developers have seen the same treatment from Microsoft, he's a "hipster indie". So forgive a guy for answering questions when asked on Twitter - a website where you can send messages to people and they send messages back to you. I mean it's pretty obvious you will downplay any negative news about Microsoft. Why is it not the truth? because you don't think the people who have spoken out about this are telling the truth? Get your apologist head out of your ass. Hilarious, how far bitterness will send certain people.
So you need to put words in my mouth to make your point seem valid? What has he done lately? Other then get his name out there for critising the company that help him make his name to begin with.. And even then.. You missed the entire point of my comments about the topic.. Kids are all screaming how he's so great for speaking the truth blab blah blah.. They don't know shit and either do you.. Or I. I gave very likely examples of why he feels slighted.. But it doesn't matter.. Anyone praising ms is a liar and anyone that hates on them is a hero and speaking the word of god.. Its pathetic.. Common sense has no place here.. Just fanboy logic and hypocrisy
I could not agree more. That sense of entitlement is probably shared by those that are in here defending him. People that have an issue with MS can simply choose to not do business with them or buy their products. But I get it, it much easier to get on the internet and b!tch about MS... what would N4G be without it?