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$508 Cheap Bastard's Gaming PC Build That Plays It All

GamersNexus: "It's been a while since a true revival of our Cheap Bastard series of gaming PC builds. We recently posted a low-end League of Legends PC for $425 that can be assembled very quickly, but it was really spec'd just for low-end games. We had a recent forum request for a cheap PC build capable of Twitch streaming, YouTube video editing, and gaming for around $500. That's what this gaming PC tries to do. This Cheap Bastard's gaming PC build has no frills -- it just gets the job done, namely gaming on high settings, lightweight video rendering, and Twitch streaming for around $500."

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ATiElite1379d ago (Edited 1378d ago )

These articles are good as they PROVE to those on here that PC Gaming is VERY AFFORDABLE

BUT I would go with a XFX HD7870 GHZ Edition for $169 ($190 - $30 rebate)

That takes your PC from Desktop XB1 specs to beyond Desktop PS4 specs.

You can make up the extra $29 and stay at $508 but it's only $29

decrypt1378d ago (Edited 1378d ago )

Well what people tend to forget, PC gaming is a long term investment. Once you invest onto it, the next time you upgrade in 4-5 years you dont need to buy stuff like:

Casing, DVD, HDDs, Mouse keyboard, OS etc all over again.

Its not like console where every time you need to go out buy a new box. Hence really the argument consoles being cheap to play on is misplaced, specially with all the hidden cost of gaming consoles now come with.

Not only is the hardware a long term investment, even the games become part of a long term library (this is something you possibly cant do with consoles). I personally still have games from as much as 20 years back still playable on my current PC. With consoles you need to maintain hardware from different gens to be able to do this.

Overall PC as it stands today has by far the largest gaming library of any platform and if desired can be the cheapest platform to game on or can be the most expensive one (Eyefinity / 4k with 3D backed by some insane tri sli GTX 780ti setup), in other words it fits the bill for just about any budget a gamer has.

Dasteru1378d ago (Edited 1378d ago )

High initial investment, low upkeep.

-Cheaper games
-Free Online
-No need to buy an entire new system for an upgrade, the first upgrade around the 5 year mark usually doesn't even need a new CPU or Ram, if you got enough for the initial build. A simple $200 GPU is usually enough.

My system i built about 4 years ago (GTX 470, Phenom II 965, 8GB 1333mhz DDR3) can still play 95% of modern games maxed or near maxed and maintains around 45 fps. Crysis 3 is the only game i have had any trouble with so far. I'll probably wait it out for Nvidia's Volta GPUs. get a $200 GPU from that lineup, upgrade my Mobo for DDR4 support and double up on my Ram. Total upgrade cost should be under $350 and i should be good to go for another 5 years after that.

HammadTheBeast1378d ago

I think by this point, everyone knows that PC is better.

However.

More casuals buy consoles, so more friends have consoles. Also, games like Halo and Uncharted and God of War aren't on PC, so exclusives are a thing.

MOBA's however, are the best part of PC gaming for me. Gotta love League.

Utalkin2me1378d ago

Lol, it doesn't include a cpu cooler nor a OS.

Dasteru1378d ago

@Utalkin2me:

You can use the stock cooler that comes with the CPU, it isn't great but for a budget build it will get the job done.

Most people already have a copy of Windows laying around and you can always use Linux instead.

AndrewLB1378d ago

utalkin2me- Ever heard of SteamOS? If gaming is what you have in mind, it's the way to go. If not, your local university sells copies of windows for about $20 at the bookstore.

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cleft51378d ago (Edited 1378d ago )

PC gaming can certainly be affordable, but I would advise anyone serious about entering PC gaming to go all out. $500 isn't a small amount of cash, so if you are going to spend that much why not save a bit more and add $300 on to what you are spending and build and even better PC setup.

As far as consoles is concerned, that is a completely separate deal because game developers have a standard spec to deal with when making a game so you know every game is going to run well. This isn't true of PC gaming and why it is better to go a little bit overboard so you can run the latest games at Ultra or High settings at the very least. Paying $500 and only being able to run a game at medium to high settings would really irk me. Then you also need to factor in how mod support is going to tax your PC. Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should and in this case adding on a few hundred dollars to the budget for this build would make all the difference.

Sarcasm1378d ago (Edited 1378d ago )

God here we go again.

It's like the same thing over and over justifying a PC over a console or vice versa. Come on people, there's a thing called owning them both and needing them both.

A PC is the ultimate does it all device, but the PS4 is the gaming centric focused device with specific services and software not available on PC.

You don't buy a PS4 expecting it to do Excel and Multi-sim engineering and Labview programming.

You don't buy or build a PC to just do nothing but play games on it. You do work, browse the internet, watch videos, use programs, whatever it is.

They can co-exist. They aren't competing platforms.

MidnytRain1378d ago

"specific services"

Like what?

Sarcasm1378d ago (Edited 1378d ago )

Just stuff like PSN+, cloud saving your PS games automatically, Friends list with party chat, Trophies, etc. While yes I know there are some type of iterations on the PC IE: Steam achievements, party chat programs like Ventrilo, and of course cloud saves. I meant it more as in one unified eco-system, which even extends to the other platforms like the PS Vita.

But the bigger argument are simply just the exclusive games. And actually that can go for any platform. Wii U, Xbone, PC, PS3, Xbox 360, whatever.

JackBNimble1378d ago (Edited 1378d ago )

With this build you're better off staying with the ps4.

You want to build a gaming rig?... then do it right!
This build is a joke!

3-4-51378d ago

Just built a PC with:

i5 3570k, AMD 7770, 8GB, Windows 8 for $605.

ibuypower via newegg.

Thing runs amazing and I can play any game available and Windows 8 is surprisingly awesome for gaming, unlike what I've heard from others.

I've been playing Battlefield 4 on High settings with 50+ FPS and I can run Ultra but it drops to 30-38 FPS.

There are various similar builds but something like that could get you playing any game on the market.

Eonjay1378d ago

The PS4 GPU is essetially a 7870. While the GHZ addition does offer 2 additional compute units and at a faster clock speed, it is important to note that the PS4 has a few advantages over this card:

1. Faster and more available memory. Therefore:
2. The GPU in this PC setup will have a larger bottleneck than the PS4.
3. More available compute queues allowing it to more efficiently handle CPU related requests.
4. The power of this package you listed and the one featured in this article (while very decent) is unattainable at the $399 PS4 pricing.

AndrewLB1378d ago

Not true. Go visit gpureview.com and check out the performance of the hd7870 in the comparison tool. Then use the option to reduce the clock speed of the card to PS4 speeds. You'll see it's still faster than 1.84tflops if you factor in 2 less compute units.

Also, the Memory on any store bought HD7870 is going to be faster than PS4.

And how to you figure the GPU is a bottleneck compared to PS4? The GPU has more bandwidth than PS4 does, it has actual dedicated vram.

And this BS about more compute cues is utter crap. The massively more powerful CPU picked for this build would decimate the PS4's processor.

Eonjay1378d ago

@Andrew

Here is the math for the speed

1000Mhz*2*1280 = 2.56TFlop
800(reduced clock)*2*1152(two cores less than 7870) = 1.84TFlops

Memory according to AMD.com for 7870 stock memory speed is 150Gb/s Which is slower than a PS4

The reason why the 7870 has a higher bottleneck than the PS4 is becaue the 7870 can do more operations per second, but has slower memory. Depending on the type of calculation your GPU is doing, the PS4 will have a smaller bottleneck. This doesn't even account for the fact that the memory of the PC is probably slower than the GPU's. Its probably not unified with the video (2GBs in this card) either so that compounds the situation.

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decrypt1378d ago

Well free multiplayer is just one aspect people forget to take into the equation when saying oh the Console is 400usd.

They forget hardware is useless without the software. A console maker being the middle man relies on charging more on software(which you will be buying again and again) to make a profit.

No mod support- meaning games on consoles purposely have a short life so people run out to buy DLCs or buy the next sequel, Check Skyrim on PC still going strong while Console version is long dead.

No BC- Thousands of usds worth of games down the drain just because new hardware wont play your older games. While we have people on this site cheering pay to play replacements like Gaikai lol.

DragonKnight1378d ago (Edited 1378d ago )

"Well free multiplayer is just one aspect people forget to take into the equation when saying oh the Console is 400usd."

You made a mistake bringing the PS4 into your bashing comment. The PS4 doesn't require you to pay to play every game online, or access online features in single player games. SOME games will require it, but NOT ALL games.

"They forget hardware is useless without the software. A console maker being the middle man relies on charging more on software(which you will be buying again and again) to make a profit."

Absolutely no one has forgotten this decrypt. Your PC elitism is making you spew nonsense.

"No mod support- meaning games on consoles purposely have a short life so people run out to buy DLCs or buy the next sequel, Check Skyrim on PC still going strong while Console version is long dead."

DLC on consoles is relatively new compared to the history of the industry. Your point is invalid because DLC, like mods, are a choice not an obligation. You may feel like continuously playing the same old game for years on end just because someone decided to add something new to it, which is your choice, but don't act like people who can't or don't are somehow inferior for moving on to new experiences.

"No BC- Thousands of usds worth of games down the drain just because new hardware wont play your older games. While we have people on this site cheering pay to play replacements like Gaikai lol."

I have 2 consoles right now that have full B.C. What do you have to say to that? I also love the attitude that once a new console comes out, the older one immediately dies beyond any possible repair and becomes literally useless. If you sell your console, you lose your right to play the games for that console. Likewise, if you sold your Steam account, you lose all rights to play any and all games attached to that account.

PC elitists are so hilarious.

@Pandamobile: Well, turning on my PS4 right now, I can play Warframe and DCUO without PS+. Both are MMOs. FFXIV won't require PS+ either, another MMO. Planetside 2? Nope, still another MMO.

So although SOME games that have multiplayer will require PS+, not all of them will.

Pandamobile1378d ago

Correct me if I'm wrong Dragon, but don't you have to pay for PS+ in order to play multiplayer games?

Baka-akaB1378d ago (Edited 1378d ago )

Like he said not every games . Most mmo and f2p games dont require a psn sub . It still doesnt beat full free mp ... but it is what it is .

Anyway those article are a yawn fest , while a decent reminder that pc gaming isnt that expensive .

Many people have moved on eons ago from reasons involving cost to solely or principaly play on console . Some , for good or bad reasons alike just favor console (or pc) gaming regardless

anticlimax1378d ago

Do you own a pc or laptop Dragon? How much does it cost?

The main argument why the comparison is always crooked is that you don't need a console when you have a gaming pc, but you still need a pc when you have a console.

Even if I had all the consoles in the world, I'd still need to dish out 400$ on a pc every four or five years.

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DeadManIV1378d ago (Edited 1378d ago )

PS plus offers amazing value, I want it for the games - I don't give a crap about multiplayer. I game in console and PC.

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Agent_hitman1378d ago

Not bad $508 gaming PC is good enough imo.. But if you can't afford it buy PS4 instead for only $399

DragonKnight1378d ago

See, the thing about these builds is that they are inaccurate. You can't build a functioning gaming PC for $508 from scratch. You have to already have a monitor, a keyboard, a mouse, an OS, a case to hold all the equipment. The OS alone adds a MINIMUM (if you're lucky) of $100. You could use Linux, but that's not going to help you to game on the PC.

If you're a console gamer with a laptop looking to get into PC gaming, then you are going to have to buy these extras that are basic necessities in order to get into PC gaming. Otherwise, you won't be able to use all of these components as written to game on a PC because you will be missing key components. So this build only applies to people who already have a desktop that's worth upgrading and either a decent monitor or tv to hook it up to.

FlyingFoxy1378d ago

Or you could just buy a cheapy case, get a controller (if you don't want a KB & Mouse) and plug the PC into your TV, then get and install the free Steam OS.

Jovanian 1378d ago

This goes both ways. Console gaming presupposes you have a decent TV to game on, and a couch or a chair to game on. If I were to add up the price of an entertainment system built around console gaming, I would probably come at a value similar to if not exceeding the price of a PC gaming setup, while managing to perform less functions and performing them at a lesser quality

DragonKnight1378d ago

@FlyingFoxy: You still have to buy the case, a controller won't be good for every PC game, and I agree with the tv but Steam OS I disagree with as it's definitely not as robust and useful as Windows.

@Swadian_Grognard: "Console gaming presupposes you have a decent TV to game on, and a couch or a chair to game on."

That is the most asinine argument I've ever seen on this site and I'm not surprised that it's coming from a PC elitist. A console is not required to watch tv, so the likelihood of you having a tv is infinitely higher than the likelihood of a console gamer having a desktop case, a copy of Windows OS just laying around that they can use, a keyboard and mouse to use if they don't have a desktop computer. Such a ridiculous argument to make.

"If I were to add up the price of an entertainment system built around console gaming, I would probably come at a value similar to if not exceeding the price of a PC gaming setup, while managing to perform less functions and performing them at a lesser quality"

Actually you wouldn't. Even supposing that two individuals have literally nothing to work with, console gaming setups will always have an initially cheaper cost than even the lowest budget PC gaming build with ever basic necessity you need for it to be useful.

All you need to start gaming on a console is a console and a tv. You need a lot more than that to game on a PC.

Jovanian 1378d ago

'likelihood of you having a tv is infinitely higher than the likelihood of a console gamer having a desktop case...'

There is the presupposition. My point is that there are presuppositions on BOTH sides of the argument, which you've just demonstrated. And honestly, no need to call people names like a PC elitist, despite me owning a couple consoles. Funny that you call me the elitist yet you sound like the condescending one

'Actually you wouldn't. Even supposing that two individuals have literally nothing to work with, console gaming setups will always have an initially cheaper cost than even the lowest budget PC gaming build with ever basic necessity you need for it to be useful.'

key word: initially. My example doesn't just consider the initial price. And at this level, you would be so crippled in terms of functions you can perform with just a console and a TV. If you started at nothing and were looking at either PC or console gaming, it is a far better idea to go into PC gaming, even if its a bad one.

DragonKnight1378d ago (Edited 1378d ago )

"There is the presupposition. My point is that there are presuppositions on BOTH sides of the argument, which you've just demonstrated. And honestly, no need to call people names like a PC elitist, despite me owning a couple consoles. Funny that you call me the elitist yet you sound like the condescending one."

The presupposition that you have a tv already is backed by the fact that a television is a completely self-contained entertainment device on its own. The amount of people that buy a console first and THEN a television is so negligible that I can't even begin to comprehend why I'm even discussing that. The presupposition that everyone just has a Windows copy laying around, a desktop case to use, a mouse and keyboard, and a decent monitor is to suggest that everyone in the world has a desktop and no one uses notebooks, or tablets, or any other device to perform the tasks normally associated with a PC. I sound condescending because you made an asinine argument. The idea that you have to buy a couch to game on a console is absolutely ludicrous and you made it to state an exaggeration born out of elitism. You can deny it all you want to, but your comment screams it loudly.

"key word: initially. My example doesn't just consider the initial price. And at this level, you would be so crippled in terms of functions you can perform with just a console and a TV. If you started at nothing and were looking at either PC or console gaming, it is a far better idea to go into PC gaming, even if its a bad one."

Initially is all that's relevant. In the example of 2 people with nothing to work with, future costs don't matter as they can't be determined for the Present needs. And you're making assumptions. The fact that a PC can do video rendering may be completely irrelevant to some people. The fact that a PC can use a calculator may be completely irrelevant to some people. I would wager that PCs are mostly used today to browse the internet, watch videos, and game. All of those things can be done on a console today.

Creating possible interests in other features is a moot point. A console can play a game without a driver update being necessary. Every console will play a game the exact same as every other console out there meaning you get the same experience as anyone else. These are things a PC CAN'T do, and yet they aren't worth discussing because they are irrelevant.

Jovanian 1378d ago (Edited 1378d ago )

'Initially is all that's relevant'

I don't see why you would conclude this

also

'And you're making assumptions. The fact that a PC can do video rendering may be completely irrelevant to some people. The fact that a PC can use a calculator may be completely irrelevant to some people. I would wager that PCs are mostly used today to browse the internet, watch videos, and game. All of those things can be done on a console today.'

Some of the functions of a PC can be done on console, but at a much lesser capacity. For instance, it doesn't make sense to long-term browse on a console because the browser is cumbersome. And you can't do any of the software related things a PC can do, like do work on it or what have you. I'm mainly talking about generalized usage, which does include gaming, where the PC would be the winner vs a console setup, if both people started at nothing

DragonKnight1378d ago

"I don't see why you would conclude this."

Quite simple. The future needs of any individual are unpredictable and subjective. To claim that PC is less expensive in the long rerun presupposes many scenarios involving the spending habits of the console user, which is something no one can know. Initially, that is to say the Present, is all that can be accurately measured.

"Some of the functions of a PC can be done on console, but at a much lesser capacity. For instance, it doesn't make sense to long-term browse on a console because the browser is cumbersome. And you can't do any of the software related things a PC can do, like do work on it or what have you. I'm mainly talking about generalized usage, which does include gaming, where the PC would be the winner vs a console setup, if both people started at nothing."

The level of capability is irrelevant because the capability exists either way. And you're once again assuming. Just because something CAN be done, doesn't mean it WILL be done. A person can buy a PC with the sole purpose of doing nothing but browsing online. This renders everything that the PC CAN do useless because those features aren't being used. And again, a console can do things without requiring driver updates, without any software conflicts, and with a unified experience among every user. That's something a PC can't do. So in the realm of things that can and can't be done between devices, both have their share, but these things depend on use, not simple inclusion. A person can go a lifetime never knowing an aspect of their PC that they could use. For that person, the feature doesn't exist because they aren't looking for it and aren't using it.

Anyway, I'm out of bubbles so my part in this conversation is over.

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MidnytRain1378d ago

You can actually get a OS for about 90usd.

DragonKnight1378d ago

Only if it's an OEM that's tied directly to your motherboard and can't be reused. Either way, it makes this PC cost $598 before other expenses.

Linwelin1378d ago

you can get windows xp for $30 :P

Bladesfist1378d ago

DragonKnight, yes it can be reused. Put the disc in on the new mobo build enter your product key and you will be prompted to call microsoft support. The bot will ask you how many copies you have installed. Press 1. Product activated.

AndrewLB1378d ago

I take it you haven't heard of SteamOS? And did your PS4 come with an HDTV? Because all the ones i've seen require you to buy the display at an additional cost.

Btw... you can buy Windows at your local university bookstore for about $20.

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