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Xbox One: Hard Drive Full at 362GBs

IGN- To test its capacity, IGN installed 20 games on the system before we reached capacity at 362GBs out of 500GBs. Results may vary. (Xbox One)

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FlameHawk  +   226d ago | Well said
Lol no wonder they didn't want to show how much GBs your Xbox One has, so much GB already gone.
zeal0us  +   226d ago
I expected to be at least 460-480gbs but 362gb come on
Sephiroushin  +   226d ago
What you were expecting is almost impossible to achieve, in fact its impossible...
When a "500GB" HDD is manufactured it will tell you that on the box ("500 GB") and its in fact a 500GB, what the box do not tell you is that its an "unformatted 500GB" HDD, if you want to use that 500GB HDD you'll need to format it, and it actually becomes a ~465GB HDD, that w/o the OS or anything else...

OT: I cannot believe the OS + included apps takes around 90 GB of it, that's massive !
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TomShoe  +   226d ago
They better get working on that external drive solution, and fast.
Army_of_Darkness  +   226d ago
Maybe MS lied and its actually 400GB HDD! Oh my!? or maybe the OS is just that powerful??! LOL
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NatureOfLogic  +   226d ago
I know PS4 allows over 400GBs, plus you can read and manage your space unlike Xbox One. Overall, Xbox One is just a beta box right now. I'm sure It'll be fixed in 2014 like most of the lacking or missing features. Imho, Xbox One is clearly not ready. It's not worth the current asking price imo.

Seriously MS this is 2013 ffs. For $500, you shouldn't hide the HDD space from the user.
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M1ST4K3  +   226d ago | Well said
@Sephiroushin you really think a formatting table takes 500-"~465" = 35GB of disk space!? Oh boy... that's SO wrong...

What you might argue is that when they tell you 500GB they are (conveniently) using the scientific notation of 1 Giga = 10^9 and not the one used in Computer Science (1 Giga = 2^30) (Every HDD is marketed this way...)

So, scientific notation:
500 GB = 500 * 10^9 bytes
To get the real value you divide this value by 2^30:
500*10^9 / 2^30 = 465 GibiBytes (gibi is used to know that 1k = 1024 instead of 1000)

Or you can see it this way:
Marketed:
500 * 1000 * 1000 * 1000 bytes
Computers see:
465 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 bytes

And now I fly away leaving you guys a wall...

TL;DR: A different unit dimension is used when HDD are marketed to make them seem "bigger"
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I_am_Batman  +   226d ago
It's just the difference between GB and GiB. I'll switch from giga to kilo to explain the difference.

1kB = 1 kilobyte = 1000 bytes
1KiB = 1 kibibyte = 1024 bytes

So giga is decimal while gibi is binary.

Now the important part: The hard drive is labelled in gigabyte but most systems display the volume in gibibyte.

So when it shows 465GB it actually means 465 GiB which equals 500 GB.

Edit: Damn too slow.
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EL Lanf  +   226d ago
@M1ST4K3 You are correct however MS is one of the few major OS producers that actually take giga to mean 1024 x mega rather than 1000 x mega. As far as I'm aware, Apple's various OS's and some other do use the recent (and lexicologically accurate) definition of 1000 and refer to 1024 as gibi rather than giga.

It's really false advertising on MS's behalf if they use mixed standards.
thehitman  +   226d ago
Its probably all the software that comes with the OS. Not sure how much pre-installed crap they put on it but it seems like a lot. Sony also has a bunch of pre-installed stuff I wish I could take off but doesn't effect me too much. MS is 2x as bad though with the space management. Worst part is you cant change your HD w/o voiding your warranty with the xb1 lol. Talk about all in one /s.
assdan  +   226d ago
You're an idiot if you thought that. A 500gb hard drive doesn't actually provide 500gb EVER. I would expect a minimum of 400gb though.
Mosiac77  +   226d ago
If I paid $500 for this system I should have the right to see how much GB of space I have left. MS are getting me mad already. They better give me the option to see the amount of space I have left or they can forget me supporting this system when it comes to buying software for it.
UltimateMaster  +   226d ago
It's somewhere around 125Gb, it could be more, but someone already made a test and saw that it was around that size.
indysurfn  +   226d ago
Microsofts own website has a chart in the answers section showing what a unformatted drive is after formatting. The answer for the 500GB is 465Ggib in capacity. I 465gb-362gb=103gb No Microsoft operating system is 103GB Even the large ones fit on a dvd, some of that has to be pre loaded content, and or reserved space. Is it instant ads? An insane amount of preferred Apps? Surprise free games? Surprise free movies? A huge reserve to insure 3rd parties have what they want for content downloaded automatically? All of the above?

http://answers.microsoft.co...
Back-to-Back  +   225d ago
"460-480gbs" Spoken like someone who has never used an MS OS.

500gb hdd has about 460gb useable space. Then you take into account MS adding their OS on top of it. Its a heavy OS, but thats why MS needed their HDD to be upgradeable like the ps3/4
Volkama  +   225d ago
There is hardly anything pre-installed, most of the apps download and install the first time you use them.

Who knows what takes all that space, hopefully IGN were smart enough to take a fresh system and not one they've been using?

External storage definitely needs to happen soon. Right after they give me my dolby digital and chat adapter for headsets.
mewhy32  +   225d ago
Wow. That's a lot of space used up before you even start using the thing.
tee_bag242  +   225d ago
A 500 GB HDD loses 35GB after a format no matter what. So we're left with 465. So if its full at 362GB that means the OS is 103GB !!! Holey $hit. That's more bloat than a 4 x full Windows 7 installations!
wampdog29  +   225d ago
@Sephiroushin and zeal0us:

Actually, on top of that, there is something MANY people do not know about quoted hard drive sizes. It's actually funny that Microsoft is mainly a software/OS company and yet they STILL report the manufacturers quoted hard drive space. HDD manufacturers report HDD space as being 1000 bytes equals 1 Megabyte instead of the actual 1024 bytes equals 1 Megabyte. Continuing this real-world logic into Gigabytes would show that there is 7% less space than what is reported in a "500GB" HDD. The real world number comes out to 465.54GBs. So, a completely unused, 500GB hard drive only has 465.54GBs of real-world space. Then, you have the OS and other software and drivers as well as preloaded apps and other sectioned off space (maybe things like virtual memory for example).

Of coarse, this is only under Windows... every other OS uses even numbers in 1 Mbyte = 1000 bytes
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KwietStorm  +   225d ago
I can make a wild guess why you got all those agrees, but it's so illogical to expect 480gigs free on a 500GB hard drive, that it's laughable. 362 still sucks though.
nukeitall  +   225d ago
Remember when the PS3 didn't have cross game chat because resources weren't set aside?

Well PS3 still doesn't have that feature!

Point being MS probably reserved the space for something. Maybe for caching, bigger apps, video recording and so on. Heck, maybe IGN is just wrong....

For now the vast majority ain't going to hit the limit, and an update is coming for external hard drive so what's the big deal?

Well except for fangirls....
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Retard  +   226d ago
lol.
vigilante_man  +   225d ago
PS4 has 409GB left after install and system patches. Must be the 3 OS's even though they are run in virtual machines you still need the OS files. Windows 8 must take a few gig, even stripped down.

This is fine as long as you can change the hard drive to 1TB+.

There again, 20 next gen digital games is a lot. Guess that's why we have bluray capacity for games.

I currently have about 40% of my games digital on PS3. Guess I may do the same on PS4 until I get a 1.5TB-2TB drive.
ThePope  +   226d ago
They could have said 480 of 500gb and you witch hunting fool's would be like; That's super weak, no wonder they didn't...insert some lame recycled hate. News flash people that own the Xbox One love the system and this won't change that. Get over it. I know, I know your thinking but, but, 1080p!!!!!!! You guys are like a bunch of children in a room all shouting at the top of your lungs. "Xbox, be awesome" oh wait it already is that...
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bsquwhere  +   226d ago
Wha..? Am I having a stroke? What did he just say? ^
pacosanchez88  +   226d ago
"'xbox be awesome' oh wait it already is that..." wow, just wow.
ThePope  +   226d ago
Read it again. I mean't every word. Holla.
Back-to-Back  +   225d ago
@ThePope sounds like someone doesnt understand how HDD's work.
LastRequest  +   225d ago
@Back-To-Back

Or apostrophes and contractions.
Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II  +   225d ago
@ThePope

Firstly im the pope
Secondly Never go full retard.
lpc  +   225d ago
Microsoft Maderchod kuttay liars hain
whome  +   225d ago
maybe dat cloud takes up alot of space. or its a special program for the nsa to use.
dmitrijs88  +   225d ago
my 1tb hdd has 930gb, so logically 500gb hdd should have around 465gb. My WIN8 OS takes around 35GB of space (all apps, but no games, included).
TrueJerseyDevil  +   225d ago
@Army_of_Darkness

It is "The CLoud" that is taking up 90gbs
TBONEJF  +   225d ago
LOCAL HARD DRIVE FTW
kingduqc  +   225d ago
Hard disk problem: Only a console thing. lol 2.5 inch 5400 rpg HDD is ridicoulous for both xbones and ps4
Waits for Official over priced Xbox exteral HDD's..
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3-4-5  +   225d ago
Zat is passetic und ya.

So what happens when people want to own more than 20 games for XB1 ?

Hopefully they have been working on a solution that works.
Codey47  +   225d ago
Unfortunately that solution is under NDA......
Megaton  +   225d ago
Wait... you can't manage your storage on the bone?
Concertoine  +   226d ago
wow, hard drives gonna fill up faaaaaast.
they should do this experiment on ps4.
Bigpappy  +   226d ago
Correct. I am sure this is not exclusive to X1. Anyway, I expect some acceptable solutions to be presented in the near future. Since the drive is built in, I would expect them to have an external option, which they already said is coming.

In the mean time I would just delete games that I would not be going back to anytime soon. 20 full games is plenty.
Concertoine  +   226d ago
Yeah, but that's not including game updates, DLC, and hardware updates. And seeing how devs seem to only be getting lazier and lazier as their quality standards dwindle further to reach that beloved fall release, we're looking at some BF3 situations where there's like an additional 10 gigs of patches to get the game at a quality level. Not all cases, but an increasing number.
With all that, i'm seeing more like 16 games and a little wiggle room for good measure. An external hard drive will be a necessity a LOT sooner than we hoped.
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Qrphe  +   226d ago
Wii U Basic ordeal all over again
ExCest  +   226d ago
@Concertoine

Well, game updates and hardware updates usually just overwrite older files (note: usually) so those don't really count too much. DLC does but I doubt 1-3gb DLC (and usually lower) will warrant that much space.
Concertoine  +   226d ago
@ExCest
Fair enough. I just remembered having 12 gigs of BF3 updates stacked on top of each other xD i guess i could've deleted most of that >_>
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SilentNegotiator  +   226d ago
I bet all of the marbles that there isn't over 100GB of unusable space on Ps4.
static5245  +   226d ago
But the problem is that the X1 doesn't have any extra memory space to it until they fix the external memory. The PS4 you can at least switch the HDD. Do we know when the X1 is releasing the external storage fix?
Sephiroushin  +   226d ago
Go to setting > system storage management on the PS4, it tells you how many space the PS4 has, (it should have around 408 GB of free space for you to use); how many games/apps can be installed? that I don't know, maybe it has a cap on games/applications installed at the same time (just like the PSV which is 100 apps), maybe it does not, who knows!
Concertoine  +   226d ago
Thanks, +helpful. I do not yet own a ps4 or xbox one but i am interested in buying one eventually.

Why did IGN conduct this test then? Can you not see a storage menu on the xbone at this point in time? That'd be silly considering the 360 has one.
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BISHOP-BRASIL  +   226d ago
@Concertoine

I don't have a Xbox One but from what I read that seens exactly the case: there's no option/feature to see how filled your HDD is on Xbox One. I believe this is something they'll have to update.
Visiblemarc  +   226d ago
You don't have to do this experiment on PS4, it clearly displays your available space. Assuming it's not misrepresentative of what's there, there would be no point.
OrangePowerz  +   226d ago
As Sephi said on the PS4 you can see how much space is used up.

The Xbox One doesn`t show you the amount of store available, there is no data/save game management option on the console besides of being able to uninstall games and apps, but it doesn`t say how much space it has at all and how much is used.
curtis92  +   226d ago
1tb hybrid drive, $129 @ best buy, probably quite a bit cheaper online. I'd much rather replace the system hard drive than have some external hooked up. No idea why MS won't allow this without breaking warranty.
fOrlOnhOpe57  +   226d ago
Because it's MS.
duli14  +   225d ago
On the ps4 you can actually check how much memory is available and manage it accordingly, you don't have to install games untill it maxes out.
cell989  +   225d ago
they dont have to, because the PS4 shows the capacity of your HDD and you can tell from there how much space you got left. It would be pointless
FITgamer  +   226d ago
Makes going all digital a lot more appealing, doesn't it? :s)
BISHOP-BRASIL  +   226d ago
Worst part is that it made going all physical complicated too! Because now we have to install every game, sometimes as big as 50gb, you can no longer just decide to play a random game of your 20+ game library, even if you have 2TB HDD, it may still require deleting and installing stuff before playing depending on the size of your games.

Yay technology. Making us wait more than we had to last gen (and that goes for both MS and Sony).
Lowsnamebrand  +   226d ago
Ps4 installs the data as you play I was able to boot up Killzone instantly and after 10 mins or so it said Killzone had been installed
LGM313  +   226d ago
Bub but how about the cloud?
MEGANE  +   226d ago
U see, thats what pisses me off, misleading information. and that goes for PS4 too. if they advertise 500G of storage u should be able to use it all, not 362G....how can they used over 100G of storage of the 500G? beats me!
KratosSaveUs  +   226d ago
That's not possible because per installed stuff like the ui and junk take up memory. At least on PS4 you can upgrade your HDD anytime you want up to 2TB. But when I do get a Xbone (when the price comes way down) 500GB PR however much is available to use will be enough because I will only use my Xbone for exclusives like Halo.
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cell989  +   225d ago
you bring up a good point
Bathyj  +   226d ago
Are you new to harddrives?
Visiblemarc  +   226d ago
Good question Bathyj...one has to wonder.
Back-to-Back  +   225d ago
It he chose an xbone he clearly
a. doesnt care about specs
b. doesnt understand specs

Either way I put him in the uninformed crowd that MS has made a killing off.
MEGANE  +   225d ago
No... Im not, but letme ask u this; PS2 had any hard drive? Some people will say not, but I fact it has some sorth of storage for ui and other stuff but it was NOT accessible to us. Thats my point, I dont care if ui requires 200G, but if they said it come 500 y should I care if I can oly use 362G. Just freaking adv 362G.

I k it has never be like this in the history of storage devices, but when they take more than 30% off, we shoul be concern.

Can some one tell me how much of the wiiu is accessible, out of thr 32G?
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dontbhatin  +   225d ago
Uhm MEGANE.

Protip: Proofread your comment before you post it. It makes no sense.

On topic:
Every HDD does this. It says it is 500GB but that is not fully available to you. Same thing goes for phones, Ipod's, cameras, anything with internal storage. Its not misleading information. You just don't know how HDD's work. But i do agree that there is some space that is being taken away from you on the XB1 that makes you wonder whats taking it.
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torchic  +   226d ago
it has never, EVER been like that for ANY storage device in the history of forever, from electronic devices to actual hard storage devices (well in recent history)

even when you buy those tiny little MicroSD cards you never get the amount specified on the box.

how old are you? there's no way a person over 13yo would not know this by now.
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XiSasukeUchiha  +   226d ago
Damn WTF M$ big friggin os much lol
urwifeminder  +   226d ago
Should be enough for me until exterior solutions are available only really getting exclusives the rest on pc it has 7tb.
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ScepticTankAvenger  +   226d ago
How the hell does it already have that much space used???
XiSasukeUchiha  +   226d ago
Power of M$ for u you just don't know really upgrade in memory asap microsoft damn
dazzrazz  +   226d ago
Its reserving over 90GB for dat "power of the cloud" :P
Nujabes_  +   225d ago
It's like people don't realize when a joke has run its course.
TrueJerseyDevil  +   225d ago
@ Nujabes

when will it ever run its course? if they keep bringing it up
Lowsnamebrand  +   226d ago
It has windows explorer... Last I check on PC the updates were pretty large compared to a Firefox or chrome update
Galletto3  +   226d ago
They merely experimented and filled it to capacity with a little bit of everything. Its a non issue to 99% of people with an X1 atm, since no one else is actually filling it without trying.

They will more than likely patch to allow upgrades hard drives once there is actually enough stuff on the market that can be used fill it up.
ToyboxDX  +   225d ago
You actually believe MS would in the future allow you to upgrade HDD without voiding warranty?

Seriously?
Galletto3  +   225d ago
@ToyboxDX .........yes, they have said external HD support will be patched in the future....whats so hard to believe about that?
T2  +   225d ago
yes I am sure they will, MS hard drives. 199 for a 1 tb no doubt.
dontbhatin  +   225d ago
Yeah they are coming out with a patch to support their own Proprietary overpriced external HDDs. Other than usb flash memory, when has MS let you use your own non MS proprietary HDD?
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TrueJerseyDevil  +   225d ago
"The Power of the Cloud" that is how
metalmatters  +   225d ago
They should store everything in the cloud so they can save space
gamingisnotacrime  +   226d ago
the power of the cloud to the rescue!
DanielGearSolid  +   226d ago
20 games is alot tho
ruefrak  +   225d ago
20 games is a lot right now. My PS3 is sitting here with around 50 digital games loaded on it. That's not including the library of discs I have sitting on the shelf. In three years, 20 games is going to be nothing.
DanielGearSolid  +   225d ago
3 years is a long time tho... I know for a fact atleast 1 of those games u wont be playing anymore... In that case... Delete the install
Bathyj  +   226d ago
Damn, that sucks. I've chewed through over 100gb already. Luckily I have 1tb.
metalmatters  +   225d ago
1TB on your xOne?
dontbhatin  +   225d ago
No im pretty sure hes talking about a ps4. but you can already mod a HDD on the XB1 but it will void the warranty, and MS most likely will figure it out and ban you.
KonsoruMasuta  +   226d ago
I thought they said they were ready for the "digital future". Somebody needs to tell MS that their vision isn't possible with only this much space on the HD.
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danny818  +   226d ago
So we have to install the games. Im filling up my ps4. Is this due to the drm they were gonna implement?
Somnipotent  +   226d ago
More so for efficiency. It's much faster reading off the HDD than off the optical drive.
danny818  +   225d ago
even if it is for efficiency im sure an average joe will fill up his hdd in 2 years or 3 years time. by next yeasr i'll need more hdd. I think ima start looking for more space on amazon
Lowsnamebrand  +   226d ago
No the disk drive on the Xbox one is the same drive out of the ps3 it has a slow read speed of 2x (correct me if I'm wrong)
masadiam82  +   226d ago
I thought I read somewhere the read speed was 6-8x, maybe that was just the PS4 though.
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Arturo84  +   226d ago
so I think we can expect the next version of Xbox one to change its hdd placing making it swappable like the x360
Bhuahahaha  +   226d ago
xbone or ps4 thats why i hate going all digital
BX81  +   226d ago
Yeah I like disc not digital. Last gen I did most my gaming on the 360, I didn't even come close to 250 gigs of used hdd. I hope it's not an issue this gen for me.
McDaygo  +   226d ago
Growing pains I think. Eventually we will tell stories of yore when we used to put circles in drives that made noises to play games. I'm an optimist, I believe we will sort these minor issues out in the next ten years.
ic3fir3  +   226d ago
20 games and 25 apps, is it bad?
I think a lot, because when I finish a game and I leave one there installed time if you do not see the game more, delete the installation, leave only installed games online.
I think players these days want to have over 200 games on a console lol, I think 10 games is more than sufeciente, so having installed if we do not play games?
I'm gamer will 20years and never played more than 10 games at a time.
I prefer to play 1 at a time, and finished by hand and then othe experiment is that, as already said, only with online games that makes us go there sometimes is that it pays to be on the hard drive
even in the pc, never had more than 10 games installed and have 2TB
McDaygo  +   226d ago
I would be in your camp as well, 1-4 games tops any given moment. I think not having the option to install or not to install compared to the past is the main driver of frustration here. Coupled with an unfriendly storage management system(so far). At least this can all easily be fixed in the future.
DeadMansHand  +   226d ago
You are missing one key point...there can be multiple users per system. So there could be a family of 5 that own one. Dad has 4-5 games he plays installed. Older son has a few games installed and little Timmy has a few kid games installed. Maybe mom has a bunch of casual stuff downloaded from the online store. This would add up fast.
TRD4L1fe  +   225d ago
although your comment has a point it is not very likely. Regardless 20 games is plenty and come next year we'll be able to have an external HDD or who knows maybe MS will be smart and come up with a solution to let us install a Internal HDD
numonex360  +   226d ago
1TB, 2TB or 3TB+ external HDDs should be allowed as storage back up devices. Knowing Microsoft they may make force you to buy expensive Microsoft HDDs like they did for the XBox 360. PS3 offered gamers more choice to replace their HDDs with cheap larger third party HDDs.
McDaygo  +   226d ago
Hopefully plugging in an external HDD will be a solution in the future. Not a branded or overpriced version either. One thing that bugged me a lot last gen was the storage solution, granted it got better near the end, but still not the most consumer friendly.
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chuckyj1  +   226d ago
supposedly MS has stated before that any off the shelf external USB 3.0 HDD should do the trick. But, we'll see when the feature gets implemented.
assdan  +   226d ago
That's seriously pathetic.
KillerPwned  +   226d ago
Doesn't the X1 have two OS's one more gaming and so on and another for the DVR? I just thought I heard that from MS before or something alike.

Also my guess is the stock software and OS built in is not properly optimized yet.
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chuckyj1  +   226d ago
I think X1 runs a windows Kernal OS and an Xbox OS. I think it has Hypervisor that seemlessly switches between the two. I could be wrong though.
KillerPwned  +   226d ago
Hm either way that is my only guess that so little space is left and I can see why its a problem this gen. Any games I seen digital that are full titles are around at least just about 50GB. This is what I saw on a friends PS4 so I imagine its about the same.
chuckyj1  +   226d ago
This would be concerning if not for 2 things...

They are working on USB connected HDD's which I have a 2TB USB 3.0 HDD waiting.

AND number 2 don't you pretty much get unlimited Cloud storage? From what I remember I think that's true but I could be wrong.

Anyways I'm far short of 20 games and don't expect to reach that until after the External HDD solution is available. (If the cloud option isn't true)
ToyboxDX  +   225d ago
The external HDD will be overpriced like what has happened on XB360.

The cloud storage is only for game saves? Why would MS allow you to store installed games on cloud when you can just re-download them from the online store?

If the games average at 40GB each, you can only store 8.
chuckyj1  +   225d ago
Actually MS has already stated once before the feature was delayed it is supported by any off the shelf External HDD,but it has to be a USB 3.0 HDD.

This was not going t be an expensive proprietary HDD like the 360 upgraded HDD was.
CaulkSlap  +   226d ago
Just pathetic. I was shocked to find no options for managing disk space when looking over the Xbox One UI. Microsoft has gone insane with taking options out of the users control. Nothing angers me more than when companies think they know what's best for you and completely restrict access to basic functions.
Dehnus  +   226d ago
So many hatred responses, so little understanding. That 90GB is not just the OS, it is "RESERVED"! That means that after you fill up the space you just used for installing games and other media, the system keeps that open for a working system.

For instance if you want to play a game without fully installing it, but just have it playable, it probably places it's files in this reserved space. If you stream a movie, part of the buffer probably goes into this reserve space. If they hadn't done this, the system would become buggy after you filled it up completely.

Now before you go "OMG I WANT TO SEE WHATI INSTALL!" or "THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE!", the very first xbox already used this system. It reserved a few GB's for game caching on it's hard drive, the first new game would overwrite the last played one, with 6 games maximally being "cached" on the HDD for faster loading. At the same time the system also reserved space for MP3's (Custom soundtracks) and saves. Each having their own partition.

So very likely that 90MB you are "Missing" is not filled up with an OS. It is reserved for the OS, non fully installed game installs where you cache from disk and other things like that.
ikk47  +   225d ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA they just keep coming don't they?
Ulf  +   225d ago
Ummm... there are 20 games to install for XB1 already? Are there 20 for PS4? I guess if you include downloadables... but those probably aren't all that large, by nature.

They installed practically the entire retail and downloadable library, it seems.

It's important to note that MS and Sony report drive space via different mechanisms, as well. MS uses the 1024x1024x1024 method to calculate 1 GB, whereas Sony uses the 1000x1000x1000 method to mean 1 GB.

This means that the 362-365 GB that they report the XB1 has available actually matches the ~391 GB reported by other sources as the supposed available space.
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Ulf  +   225d ago
I should add that, the GB calculation is the reason so many DF comparisons report the 360 install sizes to be "smaller" than PS3, throughout this last gen. In truth/actual bytes, they are almost always much closer to identical than the reported GB sizes are.

There was a big journalism outcry over Microsoft's Surface Pro not having as much available space as the Macbook Air for a while, as well... turns out they were basically identical, after you realized Apple was using the same "make the GB more" method the HDD companies use to bloat their numbers, and MS wasn't.

This is a fairly uninformed story -- I'm actually surprised IGN would do such a shoddy job. Or am I? I guess it gets them hits, right?
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HurtfulTimez  +   225d ago
they have the same amount of games 22 for xbox and 23 for ps3 and most of the games they installed were multiplats that are available for both
DoesUs  +   225d ago
Terrible. Clearly the bloated OS isn't helping.
RedSoakedSponge  +   225d ago
i think its terrible how these console manufacturers advertise a specific harddrive size and then give us nothing of the sort. the size they advertise should be the amount available to the gamer for use.
llMurcielagoll  +   225d ago
Really? 362? Didn't they say Xbox one has 500GB of space? Well normally you get less due to reserved space and such. and I was expecting 400ish of free space but 362?!

That is A LOT of reserved space if you ask me.
ShinnokDrako  +   225d ago
But you can upgrade it, right? So no problem. One of the things i like about these consoles it's the fact you can change the HDD without problems.
barb_wire  +   225d ago
You cant swap out the XBOne HDD without voiding your warranty. XBOne owners will have to wait for the external HDD patch (which is supposedly coming sometime in 2014)
akaFullMetal  +   225d ago
XBox one you can't without voiding your warranty, and I don't know if you can put anything bigger than a 500gb right now for it. Ps4 can use any 2.5 inch hdd, so ps4 yes, xbox technically no.
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