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PS4 Half a Million Ahead of Xbox One in The US During November, Says Analyst

PlayStation 4 is estimated to have sold around 1.25 million units in the US during November - around half a million more units than the Xbox One, according to predictions made by Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter. (PS4, Xbox One)

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BelkingOfSony  +   130d ago | Well said
Pachter is the worst analyst ever, but this estimate seems legit
bessy67  +   130d ago | Funny
Nah, it's Pachter. His margin of error is usually over 100%.
hakeem0996  +   130d ago
that's not a lot if it's only half a million ahead .considering that Sony Cant keep up with demand when they actually started production months before the XBOXONE .MS will eclipse that gap in no time .
gaffyh  +   130d ago | Well said
@hakeem - LOL, you can't get delusion like that anywhere else other than N4G.
AlexanderNevermind  +   130d ago
@ hakeem,

Its widely accepted that MS is going to get trounced by Sony outside the US. The fact that Sony is even leading at all in the US now has to be worrisome to MS. And 500k is a lot!!

Also remember The PS4 has not even launched in Asia.

If this article is taken as valid (more likely valid then not as it seems to fall in line with game sales) then MS is trailing significantly and the gap will only get bigger.
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mewhy32  +   130d ago
I agree with Alex. That Sony is ahead of ms in the U.S. is a big deal. I mean it's ms's home turf and they're behind. I'm sure that price has a lot to do with that and the early adopters are usually tech savvy too. That means they'd be doing a lot of research on the specs and things of that nature.
whathappened  +   130d ago
If Pachter says 500, 000 it's probably 1 million.
NewMonday  +   130d ago
1.25 million PS4s vs 750,000 Xbox One

PS4 is outselling the XB1 by 5-3 in the USA alone
n4rc  +   130d ago
But you guys forget ms only launched in 14 countries... The rest will add a nice bump to sales as well.. Its not only Sony left to launch in places
Ghoul  +   130d ago
to be fair usa is not xbox country in general.
they had an immense supporter amount with the 360.
1 head headstart and gears of war did they're job pretty well.

before the 360 ps2 was the dominant platform, and it looks like its "just" goin back to sony
MazzingerZ  +   130d ago
Why everyone so surprised? When has the US purchased lots of a console that sucks? X360 was kick ass when it launched and during first 3 years, later on lives from that reputation, US did purchase lots of PS2s as well so why they wouldn't purchase more the PS4?

It's hard earned money and gamers want the best gaming console out there, everybody knows that SONY will provide lots of exclusives and new franchises, like they do in every gen, nationalism crapp doesn't give you gaming experiences, it's hard to believe someone would buy a console only because is an american product
MorePowerOfGreen  +   130d ago
Bet money it's the PS4 that is behind by that. Analyst are being proved wrong every minute now. Media and Analyst have grossly underestimated Xb1's popularity, demand and appeal.
DragonKnight  +   130d ago
There are 2 individuals missing from this topic. They won't show up though given the nature of it.

A half of a million units seems plausible given the demand for the PS4.

@n4rc: This is about the U.S. not the world.
vigilante_man  +   130d ago
@MorePowerOfGreen: I'll take your money off you! PS4 is all over XB1 right now..
mikeslemonade  +   130d ago
Wait PS4 already 5:3 already..?? Thought it was 3:2 early on. X1 faltering faster than I thought..
gaffyh  +   130d ago
@MorePOG - You must have money to waste.
LeCreuset  +   130d ago
@hakeem0996

Let me do you a favor and turn your subjective "not a lot" into mathematical numbers.

Not a lot = 40% of the predicted PS4's sold.

Not a lot = 66.66% of the predicted Xbox's sold.
Sevir  +   130d ago
@Gaffyh

MorePOG bought an under powered console thinking it was more powerful than it's biggest rival. Even when the sales drop this week on the 11th he'll deny it.

In the US, Sony has sold through approximately 1.25 million units could be even more, that would place MS somewhere at 750k for the month in the US, with the most coming out from black Friday weekend!

If MS had sold a million units in one region they'd have trumpeted all ready.
As it stands they haven't, Sony cleared a million in north America, and a 1.1 million in PAL regions.

PS4 have been incredibly hard to find currently, so they'd have sold more if they they could meet demand...

Fans like MorePOG, simply don't want to believe the facts that PS4 is the hot item for this holiday!
DoesUs  +   130d ago
POG, were you sweating and shaking after typing that?! Its inferior...get over it...no cloud is going to magically turn it into something else. You lead a sheltered life son, and i feel sorry for you.

See you at Nov's NPD results.
mediate-this  +   130d ago
@gaffy nect gen consoles wont do anything special in asia mainly japan. Consoles are dying in japan.
come_bom  +   130d ago
X1 was 100$ more expensive and come out a week later... so he's probably right.
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frostypants  +   130d ago
Pachter is such a fraud that he manages to break the laws of mathematics in his margin of statistical error. If he ever said something truly accurate, the universe would shoot itself in the face through its butthole.

That said I don't doubt that the PS4 has outsold the One by some margin...all of the preliminary signs were there in terms of pre-orders and how quickly each sold out.
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Prime157  +   130d ago
This is the same guy who said the Xbox would outsell Sony by Christmas...

His forecasting sucks, but I trust his empirical data.
Pogmathoin  +   130d ago
Gaffy, alex, they both sold what was made... Simple... No need for fanboyism... Really...
ChrisW  +   130d ago
What numbers?!? I see no numbers! I'm blind to the blindness that has blinded me from seeing!
King-u-mad  +   130d ago
@n4rc

Xbox One - 41 Territories
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/l...

PS4 - 32 Territories
http://www.playstationlifes...

PS4 is leading with less availability...
ABizzel1  +   130d ago
When it comes to FACTUAL NUMBERS and getting pre-existing data he's usually on point, it's not until he start guessing potential game sales, and console sales and trends that he goes to Pachtland.
Megaton  +   130d ago
Right, like in 2008 when he got every single month wrong for NPD estimates when picking the 360 or the PS3 as the top seller. That was the whole reason I even knew who he was. An analyst who was wrong 100% of the time. Was amazing.
Visiblemarc  +   130d ago
Yeah, exactly...when reporting on the work of others, he's alright. Then he plays prediction dartboard and it all falls apart.
Triella  +   130d ago
He's not, e.g. he said MS was producing 1 million consoles per month which is in total contradiction with MS own target shipment figures (6.2 m in ten months). Therefore MS was only able to manufacture 1.5 m for launch, and said batch is definitely not sold out. Bet their sales are 1.3 million max, with 850k in the US.

As for Sony they had 2.7 m to cover US and EU launch... Everything seems to have flown from the shelves. They probably allocated a little more in the US than Europe so they wouldn't have to restock for Black Friday... 1.5 for US and 1.2 for EU.

According to this, the gap in the US is more probably around 650k, while in Europe it should be around 800k.
Baka-akaB  +   130d ago
How could you not be on point about factual numbers ?
nukeitall  +   130d ago
lol!!!!
trage  +   130d ago
@ baka-akab lol bubbles up i loved that comment lol.
Back-to-Back  +   130d ago
Shhh in his mind he still thinks it was a good comment.
slimeybrainboy  +   130d ago
Pachters good. He has alot of insight. He was talking about this on a recent Pach Attack, it's not his job to predict the future, noone will do that 100%, it's his job to give context to allow others to form their predictions.

For instance, he said a while back that the reason digital games are as/more expensive than discs is that retailers would get pissed off at being cut out of the industry. And that's what Sony just said the other day. So he was right in his insight, it's up to you what you do with his context, his guess is as good as anyones when it comes to prognosticating.
InTheLab  +   130d ago
No, he's actually not. Wedbush won't hire any moron off the street. He's really good at what he ACTUALLY does for a living.

The problem is, most gamers have no clue what he does for a living and just assume he sits around guessing what scores will be and how many copies a game will sell.
Fishermenofwar  +   130d ago
Well said....
3-4-5  +   130d ago
People like Pachter have Mastered how to be wrong and still keep a job.

He must be making a few people a whole lot of money.

That is the problem though, his main job, helping people make smart investments or whatever he only needs to help a few who will give him his cutbacks.

He can then give BS info to every other of his "lower" clients and thus help the larger guys make more money.

Pachter is a smart man, but I don't trust him. He's also not as intelligent as he could be. There is room for improvement......he may disagree though.
rocky047586  +   130d ago
Pachter explained what his job is and I can see where he's coming from with it. His job is to make predictions. He doesn't have to be right or wrong about them, "My job is not to talk to journalists, it's to talk to investors," says Pachter, while talking to journalists. "If I say that a Wii HD is coming, it outrages fanboys who think that Nintendo always knows better, but it doesn't particularly outrage investors." Then he goes on to say, "There are a handful of readers who make personal attacks, and I would tell them that I have no stake in the outcome of anything I talk about (I don't even invest in the companies I cover), and most of what I say is just opinion. I don't say things because I hope they come true; I say them because I think they will come true.

"I don't think I've gone a week without having an incorrect prediction. Nobody cares if I'm right, except fanboys. My clients are merely looking for a benchmark in front of numbers so that they can assess whether the stocks of the companies I cover will go higher or lower."

So I can see where he's coming from with his predictions. I'm not taking up for him or anything, just showing you guys why he seems always wrong and why he gets to keep his job as an analyst.
qzp  +   130d ago
He knows obvious shit any gamer would know like if a game like skyrim is good there-for it will sell well.
darkride66  +   130d ago
Certainly this is quite the reversal in the US. Last gen, we saw the 360 roughly selling double the PS3 in the US while the PS3 cleaned up in the rest of the world. Something like 60% of all 360's sold were sold in the US.

Now it looks like Sony's managed to flip that on it's head in the US. Already, this really is starting to look like it could be a PS2 style blowout worldwide.
MysticStrummer  +   130d ago
Not that this is some big US market indicator, but I'm hanging with some family that includes the only person I know that I assumed would want an XB1... an 11 year old boy whose friends all had 360s this generation. I figured we'd have a good natured argument over which console was preferable.

His console wish? PS4.

His opinion of XB1? "No. Just no."

Every single gamer I know wants a PS4. None want an XB1. Again, just numbers from my personal gaming universe.
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Chrischi1988  +   130d ago
Patcher saying something bad about your console, is always good for your console, because he is almost always not right. That is some magic power, too, but a stupid one ^^
zodiac909  +   130d ago
Honestly! I have no idea how he keep his job! like he predicts a bunch of bullshit where 90% of it never happens and he gets paid for it! I wish i could predict bullshit and get paid for it.
xbjuan  +   130d ago
they had the momentum of Xbox LIVE that Sony was way too slow at adapting to. They had the cheapest hardware SKU. They had full support from third parties.

And then one of their mistakes. They gave up on leading the identity of their platform with anything other than Halo, Fable, and Forza, thus allowing the third parties to dominate it's image. Hence making the success of their platform contingent on something they can't control.

Now with the X0.
They have worse leading up launch PR than that of the PS3. THey have the price of the PS3 (relative to the highest at the time) and a lack of the newer Blu Ray standard as momentum. And in it's place. A crap camera that hasn't produced a single great game that only the cheap minded casuals care for. but casuals need things cheap. the X0 ain't cheap. They'll settle for a 360/Kinect bundle.

With all of the greatest third party franchises appearing near equally on the PS4, with a lower hardware buy in price, near equal online services with the appeal of an Instant Game Collection, with better image quality and usually better performance, the choice is an easy one for those after the hottest shooters and sports titles. This reputation is carried first with the core and then virally made known to the lesser informed.
nypifisel  +   130d ago
"Near equally"? Twice the amount of pixels is not equal, it's much better. 3rd Party Games preform and looks better on the PS4, for $100 less. Something really went wrong inside of MS.
yellowgerbil  +   130d ago
As pachter has stated himself, this isn't what he does for a living. it is him just guessing for the heck of it and he will be wrong more than right. The fact that he is able to gain some fame out of his predictions is an impressive feat in and of itself.
TAURUS-555  +   129d ago
the console war was over along time ago.
DanielGearSolid  +   130d ago
When is the next games conference? The sales talk has gotten boring now, what games are coming out?!?!
Lucreto  +   130d ago
E3 in June.
DanielGearSolid  +   130d ago
F***… thats a long wait.
Gonna have to stick with my Ps3 for now
Hellsvacancy  +   130d ago
^^^^

I'm sticking with my PS3, i've still got Final Fantasy X HD and Dark Souls 2 to play
TheFallenAngel  +   130d ago
@Daniel

I went back to my ps3 this weekend. I finally had the chance to play The Last of Us. Why did GTA 5 got game of the year over TLOU? I have both and I haven't touched gta5 in weeks. Ready for my second play.
DanielGearSolid  +   130d ago
@hellsvacancy

Ohhh yea Dark Souls 2 cant wait for that.

It's crazy how consoles got more powerful but games got more one dimensional. Demon Souls/Dark Souls, one of the few that really pushed gameplay variety

@TheFallenAngel

I still haven't played TLOU. Im holding out for a free on PS Plus or more realistically a $20 price tag
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nukeitall  +   130d ago
Why wait for E3?

The most anticipated game next year, Titanfalls, is out in March!

Can you tell I am excited?

😃

That said, showing games, but waiting for the release is agonizing. Then it is released and no time to play! 😠
Lukas_Japonicus  +   130d ago
"The most anticipated game next year, Titanfalls, is out in March! "

It's called Titanfall, and that's purely your own opinion. The Witcher 3, Quantum Break and The Division are my most anticipated.
Silly gameAr  +   130d ago
Why would PS4 owners be anticipating that game?
theBAWSE  +   130d ago
didn't you know? nukeitall believes his opinion counts for everyone..

his comment was a quick glimpse into his feverishly fanboy thoughts.. scary place is his mind
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princejb134  +   130d ago
The division is my most anticipated game next year followed by titanfall.
I'm a bit scared of Titan fall though. Every online shooter I have played where a character is able to get on top of buildings is a camp fest.
Volkama  +   130d ago
I would imagine he is referring to the award it just got from VGX, in which case it's not just his opinion. It's just not a properly qualified statement :)

Personally I can't wait to get my hands on Titanfall, I'm already dusting off my keyboard and mouse in anticipation!

It does look like there are a few heavy hitters in the pipeline for all platforms next year.

@Princejb134 it looks like it'll take approximately 2 seconds to get on top of that building and great the camper with your weapon of choice, once you know your way around.
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NatureOfLogic  +   130d ago
@nukeitall I'm sure he's waiting for more true next gen games. Not a game that he play on the cheaper Xbox 360 or his PC. PS4/PC gamer get the most with Titanfall, Killzone, Uncharted, Star Citizen, Most of the indies, Infamous, F2P games, PC/PS4 cross multiplayer games and much more. PC/PS4 combo is the best.
vigilante_man  +   130d ago
Infamous Second Son for me. Followed by Watch Dogs and then Driveclub - all in that order...
Sevir  +   130d ago
Lol, Titanfall looks great, I'll get it on PC, and play it with my PS4 controller, however! My most anticipated title isn't another first person shooter, it A PS4 exclusive known as Infamous which has also been getting plenty of Fuss from both camps. :) and it ALSO releases in march! And will likely keep my attention for some time
HiddenMission  +   130d ago
That's solely your opinion considering Titanfall doesn't even make it into my top 10 for next year.

Give me some Witcher 3, inFamous Second Son, Watch Dogs, Division, Destiny, Dying Light, Dragon Age Inquisition, MGS:GZ, Strider, Drive Club and I'm sure I'm missing others.

just my opinion Titanfall is just CoD with mechs, jetpacks and inferiour Mirrors Edge mixed in and yes I played it at PAX Prime this year.

To each their own right.
xbjuan  +   130d ago
na dont get xbone men..wait for the real games on PS4
JackISbacK  +   130d ago
not at e3 but will be announced,it better to play games on your xb360 or ps3,dark souls 2 is coming out,but not to wait for june. titanfall,infamous ss,drivelub ,mgs ground zero,sunset overdrive,project spark,or watch dogs are coming in springs or around march. no wait for games ,but no games at januaery.
Gamer666  +   130d ago
CES will have both MS and Sony there in January. But, probably not much new news.
TheFallenAngel  +   130d ago
Can't wait to see NPD. He probably already saw the NPD for November so he's playing safe
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medman  +   130d ago
Very impressive Sony, very impressive.
andibandit  +   130d ago
dunno people were talking about the ps4 was gonna outsell the xb1 4:1 a few months ago
Sevir  +   130d ago
Well if an estimated 1.25 million was sold in the US and they are 500k ahead, that places the XBO at roughly 750k in the units that's a 5:3 ratio sell through if you combine what been reported so far, WW numbers for XBO is reportly 1.2 million sold while Sony is 2.1 million that's a near 2:1 ratio! That 4:1 ratio you bring up, was actually for specific regions in Europe.

Keep in mind MS Still hasn't sold out of the 1.5 million it allocated for launch, while Sony has practically sold out, what's more, gamestop in the US has more than 2.3 million PS4s on back order, and Pach already id that Of the 1 million monthly units that being produced by Sony, 50% of them are going to the NA, and of that 50% allocation to NA, which is 500k, 60% of that will go to gamestops because of the cued up demand...

This holiday season Sony has the hottest item to own among the gamers, no amount of excuses will change that, by Dec 31st there will be about 3.2 million units sold world wide, with US and PAL/UK Evenning out at 1.6 million units sold respectively!
Belking  +   130d ago
If this is true then xb1 will definitely take control of the US. $100 more and still not far behind is a good achievement.
Bennibop  +   130d ago
Yeah but if you search there are stock of X1 where as PS4 is pretty hard to get hold of.
SLUG  +   130d ago
THATS VERY TRUE
TheFallenAngel  +   130d ago
What? Lol. Another thing I keep hearing is how the USA is home to the Xbox and how the Xbox dominates in the USA. Has anybody heard of how the PS1 and PS2 buried the competition in the USA?
iiwii  +   130d ago
I live in the US and I have never purchased a Microsoft console. And everyone in my friends list are buying PS4 too.

Plus if you read over the news this weekend where Best Buy had more PS4 and XBones in stock, people who showed up to purchase one claimed it was a landslide of people buying the PS4 vs the X1
Utalkin2me  +   130d ago
You do realize it has been less then a month for release of both consoles. So to be behind by a half million so early in your own territory, honestly that's way behind.
JeffGUNZ  +   130d ago
The Xbox one is a week behind at the moment, relax. Why not wait till this time next year before we start talking about sales. You people never give it a rest. It blows my mind.
Utalkin2me  +   130d ago
"You people", you talking about people that has rationale thinking? I'm sure we will be talking about it this time next year too, but were talking about it now. Cause it is a major deal that Sony is already taking this lead in MS territory.

Cause last gen MS had a 1 year head start over the PS3. But did that stop the flood of articles like this saying how the PS3 was gonna fail and MS was outselling Sony?

So maybe "you people" need to realize what the article is saying. Instead of ensuing people are being fanboys.
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Lukas_Japonicus  +   130d ago
Half a million is only "not far behind" now according to Belking, ladies and gents.

"If this is true then xb1 will definitely take control of the US."

As deluded as always. Losing by HALF A MILLION in YOUR OWN TERRITORY is embarrassing. But of course, you don't see facts, only your own blind, distorted view on things. How are you so consistently blind/wrong in your comments? Your ability to take a negative and spin it into a positive in your mind amazes me, literally.
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JackISbacK  +   130d ago
but he is having alittle but viable point lukas because ps4 was lauched one weak ahead of xb1 and sold 1 million at day one ,i think both are at consistent rate ,one is ahead of other because ps4 was lauched one week ahead and both are selling consistently,it is also about time and i can seee microsoft is still doing good therre,what if sony sold half a milllion more ,games will decide which one will be ahead,we must wait for march when true next gen games will lend on both platform which will be titanfall vs infamous ss in terms of sales,or following monts which will be halo+fables legends+quantum break vs order 1886+some japanes rpgs ,that year will be more entartaining and therre will be true sales wars and i am waiting to see who wins.
JeffGUNZ  +   130d ago
Lets step out of the box and play devils advocate. They say in roughly two weeks, give or take a few days at the end of the month, PS4 sold 1.25 million in the USA. The Xbox One sold 750,000 in about one week. So, if we double that to add the extra week, we get 1.50 in the SAME TIME, considering the PS4 released a week earlier. You might think that logic is dumb and perhaps you should, just like your statement is dumb to the rest of us. The systems have been out less than a month and you're already saying sony owns the US? Give it a rest. Have this conversation in about 2 years. I'm not saying the Xbox one will be leading, I could care less, but it's way too early for you to make such comments.
Utalkin2me  +   130d ago
@JeffGUNZ

You're just not going to give it a rest, stop the defense mode guy. It is what it is regardless of trying to apply your silly logic, facts are facts. The article is being specific about something so people are going to comment on said article. If it offends you then maybe you should'shouldn't be read/post on the article.
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Sevir  +   130d ago
Lol, sure while we are playing devils advocate lets also pretend that Sony has completely stopped selling PS4s in the US, theories, that's all it is, theories, and facts state Othetwise, MS STILL HAVEN'T sold out of Day One edition launch allocations, Sony has sold through it's launch and are struggling to meet demand,

Gamestop's CEO says there are 2.3 million PS4 on back order for their US stores across North America... You do the math, MS gave out Game stats the Day Sony gave out world wide Sales figures for the console. 2.1 million PS4 sold ww. Last we got from MS is 1 million units.
.you're not gonna like the numbers come the 11th when NPD is released this Tuesday, it'll be pretty close to 1.4 million sold for PS4 and 800k sold for XBO
rainslacker  +   130d ago
I just realized I can be an analyst and make predictions too.

A couple weeks before the release of the PS4 in the US, there was an article about if the one week difference would make a difference. I personally said, "not in the long run", but I also predicted there would be people saying how MS was a week behind, and that would be why they are behind in sales.

Maybe I should start my own web show or something.

Anyhow, the fact that the X1 couldn't catch up to Sony on Black Friday, despite the PS4 being very hard to find, and the X1 easy to find, is not something that can be spun into a positive. Kudo's to Belking for staying true to trying though. His persistence is impressive at times.

I don't know what's wrong with accepting the fact that the X1 isn't as popular right now, and giving criticisms towards MS in hopes that they can listen and turn things around. I guarantee you that MS doesn't care about the positive hyperbole spin when it comes to sales. Their people are going to be finding ways to sell their system to remain viable regardless of initial sales.

When the PS3 came out, I was quite critical of Sony's methods of marketing, but it didn't mean I disliked them, or felt the PS3 would fail, or that I wanted it to fail. I feel the same way about the X1, although I have a distaste for MS at the moment.
Baka-akaB  +   130d ago
We'll never know how big the lead would have truly been at launch , without shortages for both , but especially the ps4 .
JeepGamer  +   130d ago
You do realize that the only advantage the 360 had to begin with was that it released a year earlier than the PS3?
alexkoepp  +   130d ago
And Xbox live, which the 360 live is ahead of even ps4 psn.

And lets take into account ps2 went into last gen with 150m install base, Xbox only 25m. With a 6:1 lead and practically ending up equals, its clear the Xbox 360 won this generation, it took half of songs user base away...
rainslacker  +   130d ago
Sony had only sold roughly 87 million PS2's worldwide when the PS3 released. About 40% of all PS2 sales were after the PS3's release. Food for thought.

Sony's user base is down approximately 7 million users from the same time frame in it's life. That's not losing half it's user base. That's losing less than 10% of it. And there is nothing to say that all that 10% of the user base converted to MS.

For the next 6 years there is no telling how many PS3 units Sony will sell. It could easily reach at least 130-140 million. I wouldn't doubt it at all since the PS3 has an amazing line up of exclusive games coming out for it all next year, mostly from 3rd party. It's also looking like the PS3 will become a pretty decent JRPG system if NISA, Atlus, and Namco can manage to localize the tons of them being released over the next couple years for the PS3.
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CGI-Quality  +   130d ago
Interesting how you have a completely difference stance in the Xbox One Australia topic. That amount is no where close to this one, yet THIS one is minor? OK.

OT: I think Sony will remain ahead in the US, this gen. They just have the better buzzwords and pricing strategy.
rainslacker  +   130d ago
It's possible. It really only takes one or two games to turn everything around. A shift in marketing strategy, and a marketing blitz isn't necessarily a foreign concept to MS in the least.

Don't forget, people tend to have short attention spans, and most of the stuff we talk about now will go by the wayside this time next year.

Sony is riding high on extremely positive vibes and press. All they have to do is keep doing what they're doing to maintain it, and go that extra step to impress the potential customer's expectations and they could have their best generation yet.

MS is coming across and inept, and anti-consumer. They've made strides to look better, but I think many are viewing them skeptically, and there is no doubt that the constant barrage of negative attitudes towards them isn't going unnoticed by those that may not keep up on this stuff, but may look into getting one.
CGI-Quality  +   130d ago
@ rainslacker: The veil over the PS3, after the MASSIVE success of the PS2, wasn't enough to sway the pendulum back in Sony's favor in the 7th generation. Customers are a fickle bunch, especially American consumers. I think the damage has been done to winning the US territory for MS, but they'll be competitive, which is all they can ask for, at this juncture.
rainslacker  +   130d ago
I didn't disagree that Sony will remain ahead of MS. I was just stating, as you say, that MS can remain competative, and barring some major upset in corporate structure, will put everything they can into making the X1 the success the 360 was.

Overall, Sony didn't lose much in overall sales this gen. They were down less than 10% on units sold, and made up the deficit of consoles sold compared to the 360 due to having the clout they gained in the PS2 days.

Sony started off rough, but they came through because they realized what made them so popular in the first place. They took that to a whole new level with the PS4 reveal and the months leading up to release. They also show no signs of slowing down in this mentality any time soon. You see their people talking and communicating with the community constantly talking about games and upcoming features. Doing things that endear us to them.

MS OTOH, has spent more time trying to get rid of the negative stigma it created at the reveal, or worse, outright ignored it. I feel they've gotten better at communicating, but they still come across just as arrogant as Sony was at the PS3 reveal.

The worst part for the X1 right now is that unlike the 360, it's not the only next-gen console with the market to itself for an entire year. That boost is what helped propel MS into the lead for much of last gen.

I think both consoles will do well overall though.
xbjuan  +   130d ago
tell that to the xbones sitting at walmart
XiSasukeUchiha  +   130d ago
Hmm as always the best company will win because of appeal , ads and very bad rumors.
Dlacy13g  +   130d ago
Well, I do like Pachter and he is usually pretty good about general estimations or trends so I have no doubt Sony has a lead in the US from November. Is it 500k, 300k or only 100k...who knows, we will wait for real numbers but if nothing else Sony should be coming out of November with a lead in the US for the first time in a long time. It was a smart strategy for Sony it seems.
TheFallenAngel  +   130d ago
I have been keeping up with his show pach attack. He makes sense in the show, he is the guy that tells the big companies what they want to hear.
chasegarcia  +   130d ago
half a million is not bad. Microsoft had a good launch.
Hakoom  +   130d ago
the real difference will be shown after 1 or 2 years
JeffGUNZ  +   130d ago
EXACTLY. MS released a week after, thus, the PS4 has an additional week of November to calculate it's sales. Why people care so early in this generation is sad. Like you said, a year or two is when you will see the actual growth and development of it's selling.
vigilante_man  +   130d ago
First it was wait til E3. Then wait for the cloudz. And now it is wait 2-3 years.

If anything the PS4 will get stronger and stronger because of their studios and amazing exclusives. This coupled with better looking multi-platform games is a real winner.

Expect a Kinnect-less SKU some time next year. Desperate times will require desperate measures!
rainslacker  +   130d ago
I doubt it'll be next year. Maybe if next holiday season is bad for them. They can afford to ride it out a bit.

However...I'm going to make another prediction. When they finally do release a Kinect-less SKU, they will claim how they listened to the consumer, and strive to give us what we want with a value proposition too good to pass up.
xJumpManx  +   130d ago
Sounds like both consoles will thrive this generation.
Ulf  +   130d ago
It's important to note that Sony had 2 weeks in Nov, and MS had just 1, but I doubt many PS4s were sold on that 2nd week, due to lack of supply.
SpinalRemains138  +   130d ago
Month of November?

How bout in one day.
NiteX  +   130d ago
But but.... Xbone won the console war on South Park!
TheFallenAngel  +   130d ago
My thoughts exactly. We know they trey and matt are either huge Xbox fanboys or just got paid by ms. Through all the show they have only shown Xbox 360s. Just two episodes about PSP and Wii. Did you see all those xbone ads and "this episode of south park was brought to you by Xbox one" comment.
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WitWolfy  +   130d ago
They said Xbone Won Black Friday. Not the War.
Tru_Blu  +   129d ago
It was to show off Bill Gates gang tats, only reason it won on south park :)

MS-DOS
mcstorm  +   130d ago
That will be interesting if it is only half a million. I think both consoles have had a goo start and think both will do well this gen. I also hope Nintendo can pickup there sales too as ide like to see all 3 do well.
DJ  +   130d ago
Sony's probably going to announce to all news outlets that sales are almost 2:1 for PS4 and Xbox One, and then use that to further promote their console. Success leads to further success.
Majin-vegeta  +   130d ago
Last we heard PS4 was 2.1 million sales no??
Flyingdog670  +   130d ago
This article is talking about United States only.
Dewitt  +   130d ago
Regardless what anyone thinks when Titanfall launches it is going to be a huge boost in sales for MS. Probably see custom bundles and a huge marketing push, that gap won't be as big as you think.
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vigilante_man  +   130d ago
Doubt it. PS4 is in way more demand right now and the gap will get wider and wider.

Titanfall is no big deal when you have Infamous Second Son, Driveclub and games like Watch Dogs coming. PS4 has many f2p games like Backlight Retribution, Warframe and then remember Destiny.

Just enjoy your XB1. It should not matter what PS4 does in terms of sales.
Dewitt  +   130d ago
The disagrees, I'm not worried because it doesn't affect me, but to say this game won't be a system seller is ridiculous.
vigilante_man  +   130d ago
Just my opinion. PS4 is shipping like crazy right now and the demand is massive. More than the XB1.

The PS4 does not need a system seller because the system IS selling.

But the XB1 does need a system seller. I guess we shall be hearing Halo & Gears mentioned soon just to try and boost the sales.

But the only people interested in Titanfall will most probably have a XB1 already. I can't see the attraction on a wider scale. A price drop and a Kinnect-less SKU will help out more than any one game.
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mhunterjr  +   129d ago
No doubt a price drop will help more than a single game, but to suggest titanfall won't be a system seller is ridiculous.

Watchdogs is multiplatform, and Microsoft has its own upcoming exclusives like titanfall, quantum break, project spark, black tusk game, and of course halo 5. Just like the previous console generation, there will be reasons to buy each console for some time...
HurtfulTimez  +   129d ago
funny thing is it will sell more on the 360 and pc due to the larger install base, if i do get titanfall it will defo be for the 360 theres no way i will be paying £480 total cost just to play it
meday354  +   130d ago
Nice numbers congrats to Sony and Microsoft.
MultiConsoleGamer  +   130d ago
As long as the supply was there he is probably right. Consoles frequently sell over a million in November. The Wii was cresting close to 2.5 million at its peak.

I'll say that I've seen both consoles sitting on the shelves quite a bit in the last week. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
kingmushroom  +   130d ago
that is sweet considering that they are limited in supply and haven't launched in Asia.
KNWS  +   130d ago
Sony sold in 32 countries it only done 2.1 million last i heard.

Microsoft sold only in 13 countries and sold 1.2 on the first day.

Estimates are now 1.5 million.

If you look at it objectively. Sony didn't sell amazing at all outside the United States

30 countries 1.1 million isn't a lot.

I included America and Canada as two.
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CryofSilence  +   130d ago
Yes, because setting records internationally as well as domestically is not "amazing at all."
KNWS  +   130d ago
Both consoles are selling well. But, Sony if its selling in 32 countries compared to 13 with Microsoft.

The gap isn't that huge, really. Microsoft for all its problems before launch, is selling, its console comfortably.
Baka-akaB  +   130d ago
One is sold out on a contant basis in 32 countries , one wasnt in 13 , if you wanna play that little game .
And let's stop pretending its 32 equals countries in gaming population .
It's obvious that in all major territories the ps4 sold better , thus far

The other are right anyway , i dont even fathom how one can downplay breaking every records .

It sold amazingly outside US and provoked stupid reactions like rioting in Eu ...
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BABY-JEDI  +   130d ago
It's good to see Patcher sitting outside stores counting console numbers... What? Your telling me he pulled these numbers out his butt-cheeks?
blackout  +   130d ago
Vgchartz is not bad when I come to numbers. Microsoft in two weeks did 780 thousand week one then 480 week 2. Sony did 1.1m week one then 190 thousand week two. Believe me Sony doesn't stand a chance in the US. Wait till the x1 get subsidies. Verizon, Cable, Time Warner and others. Only time will tell but marketing is Microsofts strong point. Expecially when Google is paying for it, 3.8billion last quarter WOW. Money to blow. Google is Microsoft's cash cow. Belive that 700mil invested in games.
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Unreal01  +   130d ago
Lol.
Nocando  +   130d ago
As long as MS sells enough, I don't care.
Hicken  +   130d ago
What's enough for you may not be enough for Microsoft. Which would be bad for you.
Nocando  +   130d ago
Can't win on this site man, even if you say something entirely innocuous.
piffyd  +   130d ago
too bad they both still have zero worthwhile games and bad graphics, no matter how many they sell those ugly jaggies and screen tearing and crappy textures will still be real
SpinalRemains138  +   130d ago
What is what what ppl who didn't preorder say, Alex?

Correct! Select again....
solidworm  +   130d ago
The ps4 is The Hulk...HULK SMAAAAASH!!!
McDaygo  +   130d ago
Sell Baby Sell! The more peeps get on "next gen" the better!
Lulz_Boat  +   130d ago
bubububu dat black friday!!!

trolol
SpinalRemains138  +   130d ago
Xbox is indeed doing well. No question. Many machines sold to customers.

PS4 outsold it in a single day though.

This Gen just isn't going to be about which console sells the most. Its going to be about how large the beating is.

The demand for PS4 is absurd. Never before seen demand for that thing. Once the new supplies roll out and new orders are met, the numbers are going to be groundbreaking.
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InTheZoneAC  +   130d ago
who bought a xbox one?
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