"The PS4 and Xbox One are now available for all and sundry to experience - unless you don't count that the PS4 has yet to launch in Europe. Just about every developer out there has a stake in the next-generation, including Frozenbyte who is releasing Trine 2: Complete Story for the PS4."
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To create the 3d effect it essentially shows 2 images slightly off set... So a 60fps game becomes a 30fps game when in 3D due to having to basically process it twice.
Not necessarily. Just because a game runs at 60fps, it doesn't mean that it's the maximum it can achieve. Maybe it could be run at higher framerate, but it's capped at 60fps because that's what most displays can show. In fact, if a game was running at 60fps and it was using all the power it could, there would be terrible drops in framerate everytime something more demanding happened on screen.
That, and the fact that there are some optimizations in 3D to not render absolutely everything twice (for example, using 3D Vision on PC, the framerate almost never drops to half), makes it possible for 3D games to not have to drop to 30fps.
And Trine 2 isn't that demanding. Unless they made some graphical enhancements, if the initial build already achieved 1080p/60fps, it could very well run at 60fps in 3D with optimizations. Or they could drop the resolution to keep 60fps if necessary. The point is: just because a game is running in 3D, it doesn't mean it's 30fps.
Sony and Microsoft were eager to release their consoles this holiday season, and as a result did not get the benefit of HDMI 2.0 which is expected to release soon and will support 4K at 60Hz as well as 1080p 3D at 60Hz.
In fairness to both of them, no TV on the market currently supports HDMI 2.0, and the number of potential PS4 and Xbox One owners that will own a HDMI 2.0 compliant TV in 2014 is probably extremely small, so waiting around for the feature would be pointless. Even if they did I wouldn't expect developers to really take advantage of the feature anyway since again, it would be a very limited number of users that would benefit from it.
It's very much running at 60fps in 3d.
Super Stardust HD Was 1080p 60fps on ps3, and when they updated the game with 3D support, to maintain the 3D at 60fps, they simply dual rendered the game at 720p at 120fps. Housemarque confirned this with Eurogamer as they were the ones who published the article on the performance breakdown of the new engine they used!
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
P.S I just got my first PS4 game today yey. However i have to wait until friday to play AC4. :(
I think the PS4 is going to get most games at native 1080p this gen, due to optimizations. Most, not all.
3D is the same as its been. It's just a better on consoles now they you aren't displaying 3D with crap graphics.
“In terms of advantages over the PC version, I think some people prefer playing their games on a controller as opposed to a keyboard and mouse..."
Lolwut??
The part where he talked about the touchpad was like "and on top of that...". So the first part was clearly as if you couldn't use a controller on a PC. I use an Xbox 360 controller for almost every game on PC that's not first person or a strategy game.
They are surprised by probably how easy it is to obtain 1080p 60fps on PS4 compared to other consoles.
I tried it out yesterday on my i7 3770 @ 4.3GHZ and an AMD 7950 and it actually had problems maintaining a solid 60fps at 1680x1050 resolution when everything was maxed out with Extreme (FXAA + 4xSSAA).
It kept dipping to around 55 fps many times. The cpu usage was not much (<20%) but the GPU usage was over 95% most of the time and touched 100% in some places.
Graphically there is alot of stuff going on with lots of effects hence why the devs were probably surprised by how well the PS4 handled it.
http://imgur.com/a/KOnKC#0 (click the cog in an image's top-right and View Full Resolution)
FYI, 2xSSAA rendering 3840x2160 has eight times the number of pixels of 1920x1080.
I just don't get what you PC guys are trying to state here, really.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
That's the game running on a Radeon 7850 at 52.3fps average. Two things. First, the card is $100 new for Buy Now on Ebay. Second, the highest AA setting is "FXAA + 4xSSAA." 4xSSAA means each pixel is sampled from an image 4x larger, averaged, and downsampled to the display resolution. 4xSSAA is performance equivalent of rendering at 4K natively.
On top that, this is at the beginning of the console's life. In a year, they won't even manufacture a GPU that slow. To match the performance of a botton-end, end-of-life product is hardly impressive.
What I mean is A console systems games tend to get better and better over the course of several years. Where as PC games can be better now either through more power or mods or both. The problem is Consoles are not ever going away as much as it seems some PC gamers would like them to. Developers for the most part will never just focus on PC gamers only and it is really PC gamers faults. How quickly is a GPU outdated?
My wife got a 7790 HD in april and it was outdated withing a month. The problem with that is when you buy a gpu new and its outdated in less time than it takes to install the thing it starts to feel "to most" like a waste. Also Consoles will always make it so your super GPU is meaningless as there is no developer that would shoot their profits in the foot by developing a game that only the top 9% of gamers could enjoy. Imagine someone making a game that REQUIRED a true top end gaming pc and how badly it would sell.
PC gamers would do well to be happy that consoles are at least becoming more powerful, as they do PC games will also evolve graphically. Most companies will not make a game that a console cannot run as again it would detract from their bottom line.
on topic Trine 2 is amazing on PS4 and is one of the most fun games currently on the system and yes it looks great in 3D.
And the desire for a Persona 3+4 HD compilation.
PC gaming really started when the 386/ 486 DX chip came out from INTEL
The PC platform only started becoming as a viable source of home computing when PC's started becoming more affordable.
Before the 90's machiens used to cost easily 3000$
By MID 96 we were already in the stage of Quake 3 and 3dfx video cards.
Even after the reverse engineering article we can see that the GPU is essentially a ~ 7850 ATI card that is worht 150$ > 200$.
It's funny how ppl are jumping the gun and say the PS4 has "unlimitless" power.
It's funny how many ppl bash apple followers and call them sheep, but this seems to follow the same with console only players.
It kindov reminds me how ppl were soo amazed at having Bejeweled on Xbox live .... LIKE IT WAS A SELLING POINT.
It should be able to run at 60fps at 10k+ resolutions way into the future. Its an awesome game and does looks good but c'mon its not a surprise.
OS: Windows 7 / Vista / XP
Processor: 2.0 GHz CPU (Dual Core recommended)
Memory: 1 GB
Hard Disk Space: 2.5 GB
Video Card: ATi Radeon HD 2400 or NVIDIA GeForce 7600 or better (Shader Model 3.0 needs to be supported)
DirectX®: 9.0c
Sound: DirectX 9.0c compatible
Additional: *Please note that Trine 2 may not run on most Intel graphics solutions used in 2004-2009. The game does run on new (2010-) Intel HD Graphics 3000 or better.