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PS4 vs Xbox One: Clockspeed Battle Says PS4 Likely Ahead

The Playstation 4 is already released on the North American market and many are revealing the console to run on an AMD Jaguar CPU, clocked at 1.8GHz. Before the machine’s release, it was thought that the PS4 will run on a 1.6GHz CPU only. On top of that, it is the AMD Jaguar so we can see the PS4 capable of going to 2GHz since the CPU is built for that speed.

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Ulf1365d ago (Edited 1365d ago )

It's very unlikely that Sony would push even more power through their hardware than 1.6 GHz would do. The heat design just barely fits within the envelope they've created with the svelt little PS4 box.

Heck, look at FP games like Killzone. The AI is pretty bad in that game, yet the graphics are downright spectacular. Kinda screams "lack of CPU muscle", since AI is not something you can run effectively on the GPU.

It's 1.6 GHz, until proven otherwise. Sony would scream it to the masses, if it were faster than the 1.75 GHz of the XB1, and would have screamed it back when the XB1 was still 1.6 Ghz as well... that's PR 101. Rumors to the contrary are just wishful thinking.

Don't worry, when more devs get a handle on actually using the 6-7 cores they have available, the PS4 will be just fine in the CPU dept. Clock, as they say, isn't everything. Given the extra latency of GDDR5, and subsequent extra cache miss delays, bumping the clock actually has even less effect than it normally would, so its not worth stressing over.

If Sony had the heat headroom to bump the clock, they would have likely bumped it on the GPU first, in any case -- and we know they didn't.

MEGANE1365d ago

...delusional. U don't now what are u talking about. U r only speculating on what u wish to be true, but u are far from reality,

Ulf1365d ago (Edited 1365d ago )

Feel free to back up your comments with some facts, or intelligent commentary. I'm always interested in a good tech discussion.

johndoe112111365d ago

@Ulf

Firstly, to everyone saying that the AI in KZ is bad, I would love for you to show me a video demonstrating that.

Secondly, your ability to sound very intelligent while actually talking a massive pile of sh!t is amazing.

Ulf1365d ago (Edited 1365d ago )

@johndoe11211:

Check out AngryJoe's review of KZ:SF -- you can see the shoddy AI in his video review pretty clearly, during the several sections in which he hammers it. Having played the game, I completely agree.

Oh.. I see you have already seen the AngryJoe review, since from your recent comment history, you posted on that article. Maybe you're just trolling?

There are plenty of other video reviews that point out the same issues, so you'll have some trouble using that as an excuse.

Enemy1365d ago

PS4 is ahead in GPU, RAM, clockspeed, 1st parties, and sales. It's the definitive next gen console.

nukeitall1365d ago (Edited 1365d ago )

An change in clock speed is highly unlikely considering it will affect the entire system, just like it did on the Xbox One.

On top of that, if you upclock your speed you have to inform your developers that would surely leak it to the press.

Thus the chance of this being true for the PS4 is as close to nil, as possible.

That is not to mention how Sony would trumpet the horns if it was true. So sorry, this is false!

Dir_en_grey1365d ago (Edited 1365d ago )

@Ulf
No, Killzone's AI is smart; they have one objective and it is to kill you. They flank, take cover, shoot, sense danger, reposition...etc, and they do a great job.

AngryJoe is angry at the AI being too good at killing you, while he wasn't even using the owl which is a big part of the game, of course the difficulty is going to be built around that basic mechanic.

However when he showed the vids he wasn't using his owl in any of those parts, gets killed; then he thought he out-smarted the game by just hiding in the first part of the raid mission where you had to take out/soften the enemies, but he didn't and then later again said there are too many enemies shooting at him at once.

Because he wasn't even using a basic tool, he complains about they give you too many waves of enemies because it was hard for him to clear levels; well normal players are just supposed to take the enemies out using the owl so you can play around and have fun with it. This is a shooting game they are giving you stuff to shoot, AngryJoe was angry because he forgot he could use also his left hand in a boxing match and cried the other guy cheated.

You on the other hand saw a review and thought you found your weapon for your trolling (and spewing a bunch of uneducated & idiotic BS) without even knowing the basic fact that gaming AI in shooting games barely take any effort to run, and how retarded you sound to even use it as an argument for CPU comparison.

NewMonday1365d ago (Edited 1365d ago )

@Ulf

the AI is very aggressive attacking the player, the problem is in the initial spotting and with some NPC's not responding to the players pressense, this comes down to unpolished AI development.

johndoe112111365d ago

@Ulf

Again, that ability you have is amazing.

Since when does having very difficult AI equate to bad AI? The AI in KZ is difficult, they are very accurate, they constantly move from cover to cover, they flank you, they bounce grenades off of walls to get you out of cover and they attack you using several different AI types at the same time. That is called difficult, not bad.

If you actually played that game you would know this. But you're too busy coming here and and lying through your bloody teeth that you played the game. Hogwash!!

People are complaining because the AI is too damn difficult, if that's the case then go play the noob fest called cod. I want someone to post a video showing BAD AI not difficult AI that they assume equals to bad.

jebabcock1365d ago (Edited 1365d ago )

The much more reasonable answer ulf... One that actually logically makes sense is that the killzone team focused on the visuals with their near complete rewrite of their engine. The idea that a processor that is way more powerful than last gen not being able to provide reasonable AI is a hardware limitation doesn't even make sense... listen to what you are saying before you hit reply man...

You throw out alot of technical information... But you do little to tie your argument to the "facts" you present. It makes it sound like you are just trying to jump at some opportunity to troll on the ps4.

Edit:The ps4 is hotter than the xb1 only in specific areas.. The internal brick and the vents near it... It is called good design that heat is effectively vented out without heating up the entire box. The thermal images of the boxes paint a far different story than ulf suggests..

EmperorDalek1365d ago

Killzone 2 had amazing AI, 3 and SF's enemies act like a bunch of retards in comparison. Seriously, some of you need to play KZ2 again.

Angry Joe's review gave a lot of valid criticism. But what's the point of saying that? Most of you are a bunch of in denial PS4 die hards, you will find ANY way to say otherwise.

Ju1365d ago

Angry Joe needs and AJI upgrade - and Angry Joe Intelligence upgrade - to keep up with the superior KZ AI. Looks like SF at least outsmarts AJ. Can't be that bad, then, can it?

AI is a non issue. Problem with AI usually is, it goes onto your frame budget while at the same time AI does not need to run at full frame rate. This can easily be achieved running it in parallel since the Jaguar has 6 cores available to the game.

unspok3n1365d ago

Killzone AI has always been terrible. The easiest FPS by far, easier than COD which is pretty sad. Pretty game, pretty easy game.

Xsilver1365d ago

@unspok3n
you joined this site 37 minute ago and even with that small comment history its amazingly how obvious it is that your a xbox fanboy probably never played KZ smfh and I'm pretty sure you have another account :/.

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scott1821365d ago

Hasn't the PS4 been tested to run a lot cooler than the X1? I don't see why there would be any problem with a faster CPU clock speed...

Ulf1365d ago (Edited 1365d ago )

The PS4 has been observed to run 10-14' hotter than the X1, according to Kotaku.

http://n4g.com/news/1400385...

scott1821365d ago (Edited 1365d ago )

huh, didgital foundry ran tests to find PS4 runs cooler.

http://gearnuke.com/xbox-on...

"Gaming and multitasking leads to 45 Celsius(113 Fahrenheit) temperature on PlayStation 4, similar activity on Xbox One can bump the temperature up to 49 Celsius(120 Fahrenheit)."

BBBirdistheWord1365d ago (Edited 1365d ago )

independent tests confirm that the ps4 runs 10-14 degrees celcius hotter.

It has also been confirmed that the FCC only approved an ambient operating temperature up to 35 degrees for the ps4.

Dat trouble

HighResHero1365d ago (Edited 1365d ago )

Lol, then he used kotako as his source.

@nukeitall:
"An change in clock speed is highly unlikely...."
What change? Was there any official announcement that the cores were locked at 1.6 ghz anyway?

I've maintained that 1.8 Ghz+ felt more reasonable and I'll wait for an official confirmation.

NewMonday1365d ago

@BBBirdistheWord

DF are more experienced with testing hardware and they say XBone is runs hotter.

MasterCornholio1365d ago (Edited 1365d ago )

Arstechnica also claims that the PS4 runs cooler than the Xbox One.

"The Xbox One got noticeably hotter after continued operation, though; our IR thermometer measured a top temperature of 115 degrees Fahrenheit coming off its top vents compared to about 100 degrees for the PS4."

http://arstechnica.com/gami...

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stuna11365d ago

You mean the way Microsoft screams to the masses about their little up-clock that from what I can see has literally done nothing!? Or better yet their cloud service that without them actually understanding what they are saying, are telling millions of potential customers that without it "WE" "Microsoft", are selling you a gimped version of every game you buy on our console, unless you buy into our vision of the cloud!? Of course we can't leave out the reasoning as to why Forza 5 is able to achieve 1080p/60fps because of that same cloud, but yet every other big game on the Xbox1 somehow is unable to utilize the same resources of said cloud! And just so I'm getting all this correct; isn't the Xbox1 supposedly 3 to 4 times more powerful when jacked into the cloud?

By the way while we're on the subject; Has Neo been located? If so, has he seen the Oracle? Has his abilities been manifested, and does this signal the end of the Matrix??

windblowsagain1365d ago (Edited 1365d ago )

The clockspeed jump did do something.

It allowed Ryse to run near 30fps.

Prime1571365d ago

The fact that Microsoft felt they needed to overclock says a lot to me.

Kleptic1365d ago

this cpu clock speed crap is irrelevent anyway, both systems have very low IPC cores, and clock speed does absolutely nothing to change that...In tangible processing, it won't make any difference no matter which has a higher clock...

on the other hand...take 2 PC's...both with the same CPU...one with much higher bandwidth system memory...which is also utilizing an AMD 7870 gpu...the other, lower system memory bandwidth...and a 7770 gpu...take the latter and bump the clock mulitplier by 100 to 200 mhz...

and...see what happens?...both consoles are extremely gpu centric...they're mid range desktop gpu's matched up with cpu architectures that share more in common with tablets than PCs...not a big deal, as both use relatively simple operating systems...

but...the Xbox One...will NEVER match the PS4's tangible gpu advantages...can't really figure out what is so hard to swallow about that...its simply reality...MS pushed money on kinect...and a phantom 'cloud'...NOT on local device performance...sucks, but lets move on...

WeAreLegion1365d ago

Bad AI? Haha. Play it. Just play it.

El_Assenso1365d ago

Ulf you are delusional. That is all.

SmielmaN1365d ago

I play A LOT of FPS's and feel I more than hold my own online in those games. I get killed a lot on normal in Killzone because they always attack you and toss grenades to flush you out. If you don't utilize the OWL (awesome addition to the game) you are toast. I really don't think you know what your talking about on this one.

As far as what runs cooler, IMO I take Digital Foundry as a very credible source and they say XB1 runs hotter. Disagree all you want with this but it appears ULF is attempting to veil his fanboy-ism here. If ppl want to form their own opinions then check out the multiple sites that tested the heat and decide for yourself, but it would appear the PS4 runs ( and looks ;) ) cooler.

Lykon1365d ago

wow you take butthurt to a whole new level of over explained wordiness. I've got a friend who is a professor of electronic digital design engineering and he says that what Sony have done with the PS4 internal architecture is the perfect balance of solid reliable power but with enough interesting quirks to be dazzling. He also said The XB one is a very 'dissapionting' piece of equipment . Also another friend is a programmer for mobile apps and he says the PS4 clockspeed had to be held back to give the system a feel of understated muscle use. IE so it can pound away with out breaking into a sweat. And there is a good reason for that and it's NOT heat . So sussed on you Mr clever clogs WAAAA WAAAA man.

FamilyGuy1365d ago

...Everything you just said, every single individual point you just tried to make was ridiculous O.O

Straight up Billy Madison moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Show me 1, JUST ONE Xbox One game that has smarter AI than Killzone SF.

AngryJoe, like a few of the other more negative reviews, neglected his Owl. That game KNOWS you have have the owl so it's made more difficult in a way to compensate. Of course the game is gonna be hard if you aren't using it.
Joe had some good points and valid criticisms in other parts of his review but that wasn't one of them.

Riderz13371365d ago

The bad AI is not due to the "lack of CPU muscle" but moreso due to the limited time Guerilla had to develop the game and they weren't focused on making incredible AI. If the PS3 has the ability to create incredible AI (Last of Us) then I'm sure that if a developer were able to program an intelligent AI system, the PS4 would be MORE THAN capable of handling it.

GTgamer1365d ago

@Ulf
Gametrailers said the AI in BF4 isnt good so is that the CPU's fault or the creators of the game :/ your logic is retarded and your argument is stupid begone now take your trolling somewhere esle and KZ AI does what it has to do if it was soooooo bad then why did angry joe die i mean it should be easy to outsmart the AI am i right?