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Submitted by MajorAly 737d ago | article

Digital Foundry vs. Forza Motorsport 5; How Turn 10 tackled the 1080p60 challenge

Coming from the straight 720p of the previous game, where MSAA was in effect to varying degrees based on the race mode chosen, the impact of the resolution boost for this fifth entry can't be understated. (Forza Motorsport 5, Xbox One)

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pedrof93  +   737d ago | Well said
This game was severely downgraded.You just don't do that.
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MajorAly  +   737d ago | Well said
All in favour of 1080p/60fps.

2D cardboard audience. Aggressive Anti-aliasing and the inside of a cockpit looks like moulded from clay.


Ofcourse they didn't why would they lol, it's their 'no compromises title'
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pedrof93  +   737d ago
Yeah but they didn't show that the first time didn't they ?
cleft5  +   737d ago
1080p60fps is amazing, but if it comes at the cost of half of your content when compared to your last generation game that is a bit problematic. I can only hope they release dlc that adds in all of the cut content, but something tells me if they do it will be paid dlc.
AsimLeonheart  +   737d ago
The Xbone fans were just claiming in the other article that it is all lies. That PS fans have doctored the images to smear Forza 5. :-/ I wonder what is their response now since Digital Foundry has confirmed the huge downgrade. I agree that graphics are not everything and you do not need cutting edge graphics to enjoy a game but a person should at least acknowledge the facts and be honest instead of resorting to denial and conspiracy theories until irrefutable proof is shoved in your face.
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AlexanderNevermind  +   737d ago | Well said
No Compromises...

Also No Cars, no tracks, no weather and no night time......

pyramidshead  +   737d ago | Well said
To the people in the other thread saying "if it's downgraded why haven't any reviewers mentioned this, this is Sony FUD and biased fanboys who don't want anything good from MS to succeed".

Well here you go...

They should have delayed it. Driveclub is now in another league:
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Septic  +   737d ago
Sorry where is the part in this article confirming the downgrade?
MajorAly  +   737d ago

"Even running at full HD, Forza 5's image suffers for the lack of an effective anti-aliasing method, meaning the game gives us a crisp, but ultimately raw end result. There's evidence of a post-process solution in effect, where light shaded gradients appear between each stair-step of banner lines passing overhead, and the jagged edges are partly obscured by the game's use of depth-of-field and per-object motion blur. However, there's no ignoring the rough-looking foliage and cockpit interior details that go entirely untreated here."

"Sadly, details like foliage and spectators do appear at odds with the visual standard of the rest of this track; particularly compared the sublime recreation of the McLaren P1 loaned to you at the start. On the one hand, trees appear either grossly pixellated or blurred, and the deficits in anti-aliasing do nothing to help the temporal flicker as the camera pans past. Elsewhere, crowds appear like cardboard cut-outs that, while easily hidden by the blurred pace of a high-speed race, sit unnaturally in the environment when caught up-close in replays. You can see these strings much too easily."

I don't think anyone used the word 'downgrade' officially instead just had the comparison/text speak for itself.
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Septic  +   737d ago
Yeah I read that bit but is there anywhere where it confirms the degradation in quality from previous builds? Like the pics that surfaced on that neogaf thread that's now locked?
Reverent  +   737d ago
@Septic, why would you even need confirmation of the downgrade? Just look at footage from E3 compared to footage now. The difference is huge. That's all the confirmation you should need.
thereapersson  +   737d ago

Holy Mother of Jesus, those are some beautiful Driveclub screenshots. I am pretty sure those are from a more recent build too, meaning that the delay was worth it.

That third one...

Look at how the window cracks when you get nailed by the car on the left, and notice the glowing brake discs under intense braking.
NatureOfLogic  +   737d ago
After spending a little bit of time playing Forza 5 on a friends console. I have to say, Forza 5 is the most disappointing next gen game I've played(haven't played ryse or dr3 yet). I would even say GT6 looks better in some areas.
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ambientFLIER  +   737d ago
Thereapersson - You do realize that forza has windshield cracking and glowing brake discs too, right?
DatNJDom81  +   737d ago
I guess putting in MK2 graphics does take the load off certain tasks.
vandal GAB  +   737d ago
The fog on the mountains is stunning
showtimefolks  +   736d ago

don't worry turn-10 has you covered pay another $50-60 and get season pass so you can get the complete game. Over the last year or so it seems every game is getting season pass, so either buy the game for $60 and pay another $35-50 or just wait for the GOTY editions a year later

what resolution is GT6 gonna be running?
how come a game on current gen can get weather and day and night cycle?

it just seems every odd that we have less tracks and less cars on a so called next gen racer when forza 4 had twice as many
AlexanderNevermind  +   737d ago
Not surprised to read this. Most gamers called this months ago. I can't tell you how many times I read that the crowd, background 'looked like crap'.
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MajorAly  +   737d ago
Shadow Flare  +   737d ago
But thanks to hitting 1080p, it's now super sharp crap
pedrof93  +   737d ago

Well you can't really compare like, but I'm sure that in F5 is due the reflection being more whiter.
ShinMaster  +   737d ago
Not sure how the western media missed the flat textures, low poly environments, aliasing, baked and blurrier shadows, lack of ambient lighting and AO and lower content(compared to previous games in the series) in their reviews.
showtimefolks  +   736d ago

western gaming media is going down in a major way,(no pun intended MajorAly lol)

Most of them are too scared to give a bad score because they don't want the advertisement money or the exclusive coverage to stop

watch some of the yoytube user reviews, they are mostly honest and actually point out everything that's good or bad about a game

reviewzoneHD is really good
angryjoe is pretty good
rev3games seems to be spot on too

major gaming site that i trust is gamespot, yes i know about kane and lynch and jeff getting fired. But since than GS has gotten much better. They are very strict and will point out minor things, but sometimes its better to know more
GarrusVakarian  +   737d ago
It's a shame, ive always been a Forza fan and i loved the look of Forza 5 from the early builds of the game....but now, with a fraction of the tracks and cars and the graphics not being too different from Forza 4....i might just give this a pass.

14 tracks for a next gen racing sim is unacceptable. You would be bored of seeing the same track over and over in no time.
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Yourpapa  +   737d ago
yes, go and find the negatives for a 1080/60 launch game. come oooon.
BrianG  +   737d ago
Of course, every launch game should be held to the same standard, just because this happens to be the only 1080p/60fps game doesn't give it a free pass.

The PS launch games that hit 1080p/60fps were graded and scrutinized like any other.

Just a shame as a gamer to see a game struggling with what is supposed to be the "next gen" standard, Full HD.
otherZinc  +   737d ago

You guys ask Forza 5 to do something that's never been done in a racing game, ever: put NBA 2K like crowds in a Racing Game when you are moving 200mph. No racer has ever nor will ever accomplish such a task and be affordable to the end user. In our racing history dating back to the Atari 2600, we've yet to have a racing game with an NBA 2K crowd.

How about this:
Killzone:SF can only do 1080p due to the fact of it's downgrade of the omission of "Champaign co-op"! You know, a feature that's been around for over 20 years!
MysticStrummer  +   737d ago
"You guys ask Forza 5…"

No. The devs themselves presented the game with 3D crowds and then downgraded that and other things about the visuals.

Did Killzone:SF ever have campaign co-op? Was the game ever presented showing that feature, only to have it disappear in the following months? I don't think so.
BrianG  +   737d ago
What about the anti aliasing then? That's a very standard feature that other games don't seem to have a problem implementing to SOME degree of success.
Ju  +   737d ago
Funny...KZ:SF is the most striking next gen game to date and the MP runs 1080@60fps. No downgrade there. Those retro maps blow me away every time I get into one of those.

And re. NBA...Forza to Driveclub is like NBA 2K vs. NBA Live. Go figure.
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mixelon  +   737d ago
... *Champaign* co-op?

Why did nobody tell me about this feature?! *digs out KZ3*

Well.. That's disappointing.
electricone85  +   737d ago
where was the game downgraded? The article dosen't even mentions anything about a downgrade, you sony fans just see things that aren't there.
BrianG  +   737d ago
The article does not mention a downgrade from previous versions, with the exception of Forza 4 having MSAA anti-aliasing in place, where Forza 5 has a very ineffective AA method in place that makes the game look rough.

The overall point is sacrifices were made to make 1080p, like the AA trade off and overall details of the environment to keep the game running Full HD at 60fps.

Reason people are reacting this way is the new hardware should have no problem running Full HD and have decent environments/crowds, but for some reason it is.
MysticStrummer  +   737d ago
Yeah if you've seen the comparison pics, you know what they did to achieve 1080p/60fps.
BallsEye  +   737d ago
So were the ps4 games. Didn't see you complain about huge kz and driveclub downgrades. Known troll, you are.
Pintheshadows  +   737d ago
I think you need to go and get educated. Drive Club looks better by the day and KZSF is the best looking next gen console game by a long long way.
MysticStrummer  +   737d ago
"Didn't see you complain about huge kz and driveclub downgrades."

Probably because there weren't any huge downgrades. There was a thread comparing bullshots to final product for several titles, and the comments were pretty damn near unanimous saying Forza was one of the worst and Killzone was one of the best. The EA games were also noticeably downgraded. I forget where I saw that… I'll look for it.

As for Drive Club, how can you compare bullshots or early builds to a final product when there isn't a final product yet…?
BallsEye  +   737d ago
You fanboys are just amazing.

What was promised:

what was given:

thats some killer trees

That blood!

You guys are just hillarious. Yes there was comparison e3 vs final and final look way worse. Now waiting for someone to say i edited the damn game to make it look worse on these shots. Btw those are from official reviews.
abc1233  +   737d ago
@BallsEye: Are you serious? Go look at the same portion of the game from the E3 build and the retail build instead of throwing out random screenshots from different parts of the game. The game wasn't downgraded, if anything the character models were upgraded. For example:
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Pintheshadows  +   737d ago
So I am a fanboy for calling you out on nonsense that you couldn't prove. You need to get that other mans balls out of your eyes. They are hindering your vision.
trancefreak  +   737d ago
Killzone Shadowfall Looks Phenomenal to be a launch game. We all know Guerilla games will push the boundaries in the future as they openly admitted they learned new tricks they didn't implement in this installment.

In the 3d model of a game not every item is going to be detailed 5 miles away, but I noticed some insanely impressive attention to detail during the campaign.
Visiblemarc  +   737d ago
Sounds like they should have dropped the res to 900p and upped the AA and AF.

I guarantee the Forza team wanted to do this, but were told "no" by MS as it would be seen as an admission that Xb1 isn't at home at 1080p...which, it seems, it isn't.
mmj  +   737d ago
Well said.

Although 900P with AA may be beyond Xbox One if you want 'next gen' effects. Xbox One has half the pixel rendering output of PS4, 720P has about half the pixels of 1080P.
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frostypants  +   737d ago
Got to play it a little last night. It doesn't look significantly better than Forza 4 to me. That, on top of having less cars, is ridiculous. IMO Forza 4 is still the definitive Forza.
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xxxxx01  +   737d ago
Look this game is 1080p 60 fps its a steady 60fps game thats the good the bad is they had to sacrifice to maintained that steady 1080p 60fps. put overall its a good game .
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trancefreak  +   737d ago
How about the pricey tokens and micro-transactions in place of credits?

What about the day 1 DLC LOL. In my mind the game should be full featured on the first day. DLC is optional later.
black0o  +   737d ago
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richie007bond  +   737d ago
What is it with euro gamer any excuse to nitpick the Xbox one.
Kayant  +   737d ago
Hmmm it's DF it made to *nitpick* & look at games/stuff in exterme detail not just XB1 games. Also has noted on gaf it's not done by Richard Leadbutter so it's harsher than normal & the fact they noted the downgrade speak volumes. If it was a site like Anandtech that did this kind of analysis for next-gen games then oh my it won't be pretty.
InMyOpinion  +   737d ago
Digital Foundry conduct the best and most unbiased comparisons you can find imo.
jmc8888  +   737d ago
They screwed up BF4 comparison pretty badly.

I saw people yesterday still claiming BF4 was better on Xbox doubt because of DF's mistakes and inability to remove a faulty article... even though they did a half hearted apology article.

But is DF still good when they aren't screwing up or showcasing Ledbetter's bias? Of course.

People just need to remember to take each article and scrutinize it.
Sarcasm  +   737d ago
Are you serious? It's digital foundry, it's their purpose, to nitpick and evaluate a games performance regardless of the console. They've been doing it for years. Have you been living under a rock with internet?
Bhai  +   737d ago
Dear God, game's a mess. Only 200 cars, 14 tracks, cutted out features... definitely a rush for the launch and man it looks weak. Pics from the article:

ugly 2D trees, crowd and rubbish road textures... cartoony buildings. And the 1080p 60fps quality shows the shortcomings the most as they say:

"now we see the lacklustre texture filtering, the pixellated foliage, and even the cut-out spectator sprite-work that line the road-sides. The game's improved lighting effects and motion blur go some way to obscure such issues during the core racing experience, but in tandem with the halved track and car count, it does seem to suggest a developer pressed to release an end product to a brutal launch window schedule.

It's also disappointing that, despite the supreme full HD presentation, Forza 5 offers anti-aliasing that delivers little to no effect on foliage or cars. Stair-stepping can be rough in spots, especially in cockpit view, and given the processing muscle-power needed to push out this resolution, it makes for a surprising contrast with a more thoroughly treated - if performance limited - 900p game like Ryse."

MasterCornholio  +   737d ago
Driveclub looks better to me but thats just my opinion.



I like this one a lot

Is it just me or does the crowd look funny?


Yep and even if the game ends up playing at 30FPS (hoping for 60FPS though) its an incredible achievement.


Im getting AC4 as well. I just finished AC3 and what i hate the most is the shoddy framerate. AC4 is locked at 30FPS so it should be an incredible experience compared to AC3.
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Bhai  +   737d ago
Dude your shots made my day, the foliage in Drive Club is just NEXXXT Gen, I mean its plain sexy! thankyou :D
mkis007  +   737d ago
People still think 30 fps is bad because this whole gen when they would say a game runs at 30 fps that would be the upper limit while it ran at 23-28fps most of the time. 30 fps looks great as long as they really mean it. Assassins creed 4 looks amazing locked at 30 on my ps4.

those screens are beautiful. the second one looks like it has a capture issue.

Ive only recently found 1 time that the frames dip on ps4 and that was when it was raining in an ocean storm with 5 ships around me as i was boarding a man o war...that is a lot of npc's to render. not top mention all the canon , guns and fires.

I'm glad Drive Club is free for ps+ or I might have never played it.
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FamilyGuy  +   737d ago
I like that first picture the most, the textures on the tree and surrounding environment all look phenomenal. Looks like they're trying to give Crytek a run for their money in the foliage department.
Sarcasm  +   737d ago
I think they are shooting for 60fps. Good thing they delayed it so in the end we get a better product. Not like this half baked attempt forza 5.
MysticStrummer  +   737d ago
"Driveclub looks better to me but thats just my opinion."

That was my opinion even before Forza was downgraded. The differences were obvious even then and there were comments from MS fans that scoffed at the importance of the background visuals.
PR_FROM_OHIO  +   737d ago
Its not just you! Bc DriveClub looks miles better then FORZA 5 IMO Hell GT6 looks just as good as FORZA 5 and thats sad lol
Visiblemarc  +   737d ago
Yeah, some people scoffed at me earlier on when I kept saying Drive Club looked better than Forza...but it's pretty much guaranteed, especially with the extra time they are putting in.
jmc8888  +   737d ago
30 FPS isn't very good, but still passable and enjoyable.

But what is amazing is that if it ends up looking like this and there isn't some hidden thing degrading the actual fun in driving then this game will beat Forza 5 hands down and.... it's FREE!
scott182  +   737d ago
Best looking race game hands down, drive club is glorious...
GW212  +   737d ago
I'm playing AC4 now and it's very cool. I got a little tired of the series but the story of this one is much better than the recent iterations.

Graphics are great too. I actually find myself looking around once in a while.

Also, I just switched to playstation from xbox and have no friends on PSN. Add me - GKW212
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FamilyGuy  +   737d ago
Lol, that cut-out, water-colored crowd looks horrible.
Wtf were they thinking?

The cars look pretty so why ignore the rest the game?
Seems so lop-sided.
MightyNoX  +   737d ago | Funny
I figure it went something like this:

"More power, daymnit!!"
"I cannae gi'er anymo', Cap'n! The Xbox is melting!"
"Eject dynamic weather, dynamic lighting, paste static environment into the core!"
MysticStrummer  +   737d ago
The United Federation Starship Consolation Prize is saved!!!
jmc8888  +   737d ago
She cannot take it!

I cannot funnel any more through the 32 MB's of ESRAM CAPTAIN!!!
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RavageX  +   737d ago
I bet they wish they had used dilithium crystals instead.
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SniperControl  +   737d ago
Looks good, a small improvement over Forza 4, but those jaggies all over the place, damn....
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kneon  +   737d ago
Months ago when I tried the game and said there were aliasing issues I was told I was lying. Some people just can't handle the truth.
MasterCornholio  +   737d ago
The game runs at 1080P 60FPS which is a good think but it doesnt look next gen to me. Also the lack of content really hurts it.

Overall its a good game but not as good as the previous one.
yewles1  +   737d ago
"And as usual for the series, these reflective surfaces operate at half the game's typical refresh when under load, giving us a 30fps update that matches the rear and side-view mirrors."

NEXT-GEN!!! *rimshot* *grabs coat*
bornsinner  +   737d ago
can someone tell me what driveclub runs at?

yes thats right 1080p 30fps

STFU the game sucks

And in conclusion digital foundry are very impressed by the visuals and the stable 1080p 60fps.

end no likes/dislikes are going to change the facts
Metfanant  +   737d ago
Somebody sounds very butthurt about DF picking the game apart...
MasterCornholio  +   737d ago
And if Driveclub ends up being 1080P 60FPS?

"Driveclub developer Evolution Studios hopes to hit 60 frames-per-second with its next-gen racer, but may "never quite reach there"."

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kingPoS  +   737d ago
Makes me rather glad they delayed it. If DC arrives in 2014 @ 1080p 60fps looking as good as it current does. then for most, it will count as time well spent.

Gateway MT6706 2008
Baka-akaB  +   737d ago
If this happens , then it will be some other BS excuse from fanboys . Like "oh but they had all the time in the world , it was delayed just wait for forza 6 bla bla bla" .

Some of those can easily nitpick a ambitious game like GT5 (and soon 6) for good and bad reasons alike ...but can't take their own medecine , when someone dares nitpick Forza
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GribbleGrunger  +   737d ago
@MasterCornholio: I wouldn't count on that to be honest. I'd love to see that but I'd sooner they didn't compromise on real time lighting, real time shadows, real time reflections, fully polygonal environments, night and day cycling and weather. In other words, photorealism.
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pyramidshead  +   737d ago
It runs at 30fps, looks absolutely fine, more than likely feels and plays fine and looks insanely gorgeous with real time next gen bells & whistles combined with high fidelity visuals. All playstation exclusives seem to be pushing the bar for next gen.
Hercules189  +   737d ago
But 60fps is a standard for next gen, most games in the past gen were 30fps, there should be no excuses. Framerate is just as important if not more important than resolution
Hicken  +   737d ago
@Hercules: Last thing I heard about Drive Club's framerate, it was above 30, and they were shooting for 60. Given all that they're doing in Drive Club(dynamic weather/lighting, etc), it's actually more acceptable for Drive Club to NOT be at 60fps.

Let's put it another way: framerate can always be cut to make it easier to achieve certain graphical effects. Some developers will sacrifice the framerate. Some will sacrifice other things to maintain the framerate. Call of Duty, for instance, sacrificed all the graphics and particle effects you saw in games like Battlefield and Killzone to maintain 60fps in each of their entries. They ran smooth enough, but they were nowhere near looking as good as the others mentioned.

That's what's happening with Forza right now. They're tossing everything out the window for the sake of 1080p and 60fps. So while the game runs at a high framerate/resolution, it's not doing anything laudable, and in fact looks WORSE because of all the content cut to achieve those milestones.
Sarcasm  +   737d ago
Lol I can see his red eyes and tears as he types that.
PS4OUR  +   737d ago
Lol, now suddenly 1080p matters?

Oh dear...I need my popcorn for this
MysticStrummer  +   737d ago
"can someone tell me what driveclub runs at?"

True desperation there. Forza has been released. Drive Club hasn't. DC looks better in screenshots. Only time will tell about the frame rate.
Visiblemarc  +   737d ago
Actually their conclusion was that it set the visual bar only by being first.
jmc8888  +   737d ago

But your estimation and opinion isn't a fact that 'STFU the game sucks'.

Oh and just remember, Forza 5 is $60 or more in other countries. Drive Club is free.

Oh and also remember, because the PS4 in fact doesn't have 32 MB's of ESRAM, the PS4 can utilize next-gen techniques to make the game actually look like a next-gen game.

Think of it this way the....

XBox One due to ESRAM is worse then it's specs. Meaning the difference between the PS4 and Xbox One is this.

The power gap in raw specs + whatever Xbox One leaves on the table due to ESRAM.

...and that fact is, the 32 MB's of ESRAM will always make the games tougher to code for + a huge asinine bottleneck that can't be overcome.
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HighResHero  +   737d ago
Yes but consider this, "teh cloud".
4x power when connected to the internet.
Who could have asked for a better solution to somewhat gimped hardware.
Knowing that if you are connected to the internet at all times you will not have to sacrifice anything, anymore, ever.
Imagine how easy it will be to code games in imagination land with the cloud powah at your fingertips.
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GW212  +   737d ago
But that misterx character I think said 30x the power when connected to the cloud. Also something about there being all of this other undiscovered technology. So, yeah, 30x the power of the PS4. And that's why all the xbox games are at 1080p and PS4 has no 1080p titles.

I just don't understand why I switched from xbox to Playstation. I must have been drunk when I decided to do that.

<end sarcasm>

But seriously I did just switch to playstation and don't have any PSN friends. Add me - GKW212
CryofSilence  +   737d ago

No misinformed troll is going to change the facts either.

The framerate is currently well over 30 FPS, but even if it was locked below 60 FPS (contrary to their goals), do you feel like you would be upset with this? Well, you would because you're a troll, but I don't think any rational person would complain.
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DoesUs  +   737d ago
Well, shame so much was sacrificed to reach 1080p 60fps. And what with a lot of cars/tracks/features cut from what F4 had, such an overall disappointment.
ape007  +   737d ago
still, the best launch game of ps4/X1 and at 1080p/60FPS
MasterCornholio  +   737d ago
According to metacritic that would be Resogun.
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ape007  +   737d ago

big game man, resogun is fantastic but it's an arcade game
Kayant  +   737d ago

Last I checked a good/fun game is a good/fun game. Whether it's an indie,AAA or whatever genre or budget.

You might as well say games like limbo, sonic, supermeatboy, etc are not good games because they're side scrollers, arcades.
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Angels3785  +   737d ago
Dude....its the worst reviewed forza game in the series......
frostypants  +   737d ago
Nobody who owns Forza 4 would have ANY reason to purchase Forza 5. That's a problem.
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AgitatedOcelot  +   737d ago
I like that resogun is based on Defender. Defender was one of the first games I ever played. So much nostalgia and such a neat game.

And free with PS+, love it.

Also enjoying Black Flag, and Need for Speed Rivals. Plus I don't have to play Black Flag at 900p with a hideous sharpening filter which was just exposed on Neogaf.

I think it's hard to describe how glad I am I have a PS4 and not an Xbox one. As the lies and marketing spin get pulled back more and more it's like every day brings a new disappointment with the Xbox.
Legacy212  +   737d ago
@kayant reviewers mark indie and arcade games differently. I played resogun and its a great game but its an arcade shooter like space invaders that retails for $10. Now for that $10 it provides you with loadd of entertainment however it is not reviewed the same way as a full retail $60 game.
BrianG  +   737d ago
Scale for reviews is the same, the price you pay literally dictates the amount of content you should expect.

Like you said, arcade game for 10 bucks, or full on release for 60 bucks. Shoot, if a game is FREE, still doesn't matter, it's a game and is reviewed on the same 1-5, 1-10, 1-100 whatever scale is used.
MarcoGT  +   737d ago
Films also run at 24 fps but they can look chrystal clear, so long as it has good graphics and 1080p I don't see the problem with 30 fps, no good being 60 if it still looks like shit.
windblowsagain  +   737d ago

Film is a recorded media, requires you to do nothing. The pan and zoom and any other effects are already done.

I'm not saying 30fps is bad, but of course 60fps is silky smooth.

As for Forza5, it looks good in places, poor in others.

I think people need to remember xboxone does 13.1gigapixels.

PS4 does 25.6gigapixels.

It's a big difference.
Mogwai  +   737d ago
Xbone: hot jaggy sad excuse mess
ape007  +   737d ago | Well said
with comments like that day in and day out, u people make sony look bad, very bad, u make people react and hate sony, u may not realize that but it certainly has an effect,just like the gansta wanna be rap fans( i like hiphop btw) or bieber's biliebers or CoD's rude online players etc....

that pathetic fan image will always follow and be attached to to its company/source forever
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AlexanderNevermind  +   737d ago
To be honest he COULD be a WiiU fan.
iistuii  +   737d ago
I played the game last night & it's really nice looking. I played it for an hour & this game is far above Forza 4 in graphics. Ok you can nit pic about little things, but it's still a nice looking game. I really don't understand the mentality of people coming on trying to knock a game that they clearly haven't even played. The Xbox one games I played last night are far superior to the 360 games before them, not better than PC games like B4 for eg which is running what looks like high settings with minimal AA, but compared to last gen it's great. I don't plan on buying either console as I've got a gaming rig, but I'd definitely play Forza 5 if the chance came along.

Edit, the console took a good while to set up & it sets up at 720, we had to change the resolution ourselves in the settings, I wonder how many people are still playing it at 720 as it was only our tv that reminded us when we switched from game to tv to test it & we noticed it.
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flunkers  +   737d ago
Well said.

How many of the haters on Forza have actually sat down and played the game rather than reviewing the whole title on a screenshot or tube video?

The game has its faults but no more than any of the other big launch releases. The lack of content seems to be the biggest negative but the game itself is solid and a joy to play.

It still has the highest overall rating of any of the major releases from a wide range of sources.

Play the game and then leave your opinion. You cant fly a plane just by seeing one in the sky...
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Pintheshadows  +   737d ago
I played it not 5 minutes ago (playing Ryse now) and whilst it looks nicer in places (not as many as I thought it would) it is basically a shinier version of Forza 4 with less content. It feels mostly the same as Forza 4, few tweaks to the handling and physics model here and there but they are not significant. Shifting weight is still totally wrong, something the series has never got right.

I'd rather play Forza 4 if I am being honest.

And being a launch title isn't an excuse for less content and a small upgrade. This is Microsoft's flagship racing IP for crying out loud.
Baka-akaB  +   737d ago
there are critics , and then there are haters . It's not at all the same things .

You've got people that are just surprised and dissapointed by the compromises and less content . Just like some rightfully complained about issues , later fixed or not , with GT5 . They didnt ask to be provided footage different from the end results and less cars .

And then there are those that'll take any bad news as a new mean to gloat and mock their "competition" . That's very different and easier to spot , usually only a few of them are eloquent , the rest are the "ahahah Forza sucks" crowd , in this instance .

And it's tiresome to see people trying to merge both in their mind and public opinion . A fan should absolutely criticize when he feels a wrong , instead of quietly accepting what's in front of him .
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frostypants  +   737d ago
"this game is far above Forza 4 in graphics"

I also got to play it a bit last night, and no it is not. The cars (well, the ones it has) indeed look real nice, but it looks like they were just dropped into Forza best.
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Felonycarclub8  +   737d ago
Don't worry guys once you connect to the Internet and use the power of the cloud forza 5 will look 4 times better, lmfao
PS4OUR  +   737d ago
Let me get out my kite, i may be able to catch a few of them clouds LOL
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PS4OUR  +   737d ago
Well well, now suddenly 1080p matters?

I thought it didnt?

Ooh, all this spin is making me so dizzy.
Sarcasm  +   737d ago
I thought you knew bro, gameplay is what matters. Just don't bring up Ryse, because it will quickly go back to graphics. Lmao
Hercules189  +   737d ago
A person like you is not worth giving a well thought out reply because you are too stupid to understand anyway.
Sarcasm  +   737d ago
Well thought out replies are welcomed. Don't be so butthurt, it's just a joke.
hellzsupernova  +   737d ago
It's funny cause it's true
AgitatedOcelot  +   737d ago
You stumbled upon Microsoft's next gen strategy!

You can't give gamers everything in just one game, because they will buy less games. So you give them good graphics in Ryse with no gameplay, and good gameplay in Forza with poor graphics.

It's all about the compromises at Microsoft, Mediocrity awaits! Oh and Microtransactions, sweet sweet microtransactions!
first1NFANTRY  +   737d ago
i don't want to hear ANYONE compare Forza5 to Drive Club EVER again! Doing so will result in downvotes.

It's clear now DC is in a league of it's own.
Pintheshadows  +   737d ago
I may have just compared the two below. In fact, I am defending all the crap Drive Club got.
Pintheshadows  +   737d ago
How fast do you want to go?

And yes, that is me trolling. That is payback for all the crap Drive Club got from the fanboys on here.

Forza still looks good, but it isn't anything special. And before you start saying don't judge based on videos I am at an X1 owning friends house and I am looking at it right now. Being on a next gen console doesn't make it next gen.

Still, at least it isn't as bad as Dead Rising 3. That is just straight up ugly.
christocolus  +   737d ago
Great game..plays great and looks amazing.
Hicken  +   737d ago
Stop it.
Belking  +   737d ago
let it go fanboys. The game is 1080p 60FPS no matter how much you try to downplay it.
Pintheshadows  +   737d ago
But according to the drivel you have spouted recently 1080p doesn't matter. Or are you just a blatant deluded hypocrite who has never said anything of worth in your life.

There is no question mark, it was rhetorical. Everyone knows the answer by now.
MysticStrummer  +   737d ago
Spot on.

From moment to moment Belking is torn between deciding "Hmmm should I flip flop, spin, or just go into attack mode in response to this gaming topic?"
SpinalRemains138  +   737d ago
Holy cow. The cars are beautiful but as soon as you look at anything else its jaggy city. The buildings look so phony and the ppl look like PS2 ppl.

CryofSilence  +   737d ago
Yeah. The cars are indeed very good looking, but the environments are embarrassing.
solidboss07  +   737d ago
Now I am looking forwards to Digital Foundry getting their paws on DriveClub, it should not compete but will deliver more exciting visuals with more fun game play.
baodeus  +   737d ago
Seem like a rush job to me. Should have release it as a prologue (kinda like GT5) at cheaper price. Im disappointed in the reduced contents and the Crazy microtransaction that follows.

With that said, the game is still as good as ever. Fanboy bickerring need to go. It doesn't do anything for the game industry. all it ever do is making gamers look like a bunch of idiots.
ironmonkey  +   737d ago
Man it looks like poo wtf happened. Very bad machine
strickers  +   737d ago
So I was right then? Good. I thought my eyes decieved me when I heard so many gushing comments, when I saw good not special.
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gamingisnotacrime  +   737d ago
wonder how Adam Sessler will downplay this major fail
karl  +   737d ago
his review of forza 5 is already out..

he gave it a five out of five but he strictly talk about how much fun the game was and he was specific in the fact hes not a racing fan or even had driving licence till some recent point of him life..

we here are strictly talking about graphics and the downgrade the game shows from previews build...

and its a huge one.. not next gen at all..

playing the game seems like fun though ...
gamingisnotacrime  +   737d ago
forza games are fun for em too
superbomberman  +   737d ago
have to say the cars look amazing... BUT if you slow down and get near the audience, they are all frozen statues! I thought they could have at least animated them and provide better graphics. Maybe Forza 6.
captain_slow82  +   737d ago
ok erm after watching forza 4 vs forza 5 vid why the hell is forza 4 looking better in some clips?

and as forza is as the car enters the grid its 30fps and thats because they like to fool people that the cars look that good when racing..... same crap eh turn 10 lol

soon as the racing starts bam 60fps with lower quality

and would like to add forza 5 has nothing on DC when it comes to looking next gen :D

quick edit

on top of what DF have proven theres this

how the hell is this game getting such good reviews?
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frostypants  +   737d ago
Relative to prior Forza games, it isn't.
captain_slow82  +   737d ago
yes it is
btk  +   737d ago
Was impressed...
Until I saw the Driveclub videos and photos.
But if you don't have them running side by side - so what if it is pre-baked lighting and static backgrounds... When you drive the physics and gameplay will be all that you focus on.
Hanuman  +   737d ago
One year from now the game will feel complete, I guess. This feels more like a GT Prologue than a full game. It's good, just not for that amount of money. (85$ in euro's)
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