"What Forza 5 is able to do in terms of presentation shows just the start of the Xbox One's power."
MS sure are silly looool. First it's specs don't matter. You must have the right balance. Magical upscaler means native res doesn't matter too much. However, we have awesome Froza 5 running at 1080p 60fps.
It's all in the wording, all in the wording.
Guys, its quite simple really, "resolution" doesnt matter when the X1 ver has lower res than the PS4 ver. but then it does matter when the X1 can produce a game at 1080p. Just like the framerates. Framerates to MS fanboys are more important to than resolution until their games can barely run at a constant 30fps, then suddenly framerates arent so important. Oh and also dont forget, graphics dont matter, its all about the "gameplay" until the game has good graphics, then its all about the graphics again. Fanboys (and im talking about all stripes) are phonies. They'll flip flop like crazy and say whatever supports their arguments.
Sony 2006:ridge racer 7 running at 1080p @ 60 fps shows what the future PS3 games can be.
I am really curious about one thing about Forza 5. The game received a massive downgrade from the E3 reveal and nobody has seemed to notice anything. People like the author of this article still present the game as some kind of pinnacle of next-gen graphics and hardware performance. Just check out this thread to see the difference. http://www.maturevideogamer... The game is nothing like the original reveal trailer that impressed everybody and media does not even mentions it. The crowd is the biggest downgrade which is just 2d images now instead of 3d models that were originally shown in the reveal. In addition, lightning, textures and foliage have been toned down significantly. It is things like these that make you think that either the media is biased or MS pays to keep them silent or to hype something up.
And GT6 can do 1080p 6fps too but also has day night cycles and lighting that changes on this factor. What the hell is so next gen about Forza's graphics then?
@AsimLeonheart WOW I didn't even notice the downgrade. That's a huge downgrade in quality.
But racing games are amongst the easiest to get running at high res and framerates, so don't take that as an indication of what's possible in other genres.
Thanks for that, I didn't know, have you worked on many racing games and are you a modeller or programmer.. Just curious
Apparently not that easy when you look at the screen comparisons below of 'demoed' forza and 'final' forza.
It's just a rather easy conclusion to come to. Generally speaking, everything in a racing game is static but the cars. Especially in a game where nothing else is dynamic(weather/lighting), there's far less for the game to do, graphically. And in those ridiculous mirror-like reflections on the cars and... well.
While I am a programmer and have worked on 3D graphics and games as part of my work I'm not a games developer. But you don't need to be to understand why it's easier for racing games. In racing games the player's movement is typically highly restricted and pretty predictable. You are normally racing around a race track with well defined limits so the developers can easily predict which graphical assets will need to be rendered next. Also anything off track doesn't need to be rendered at very high quality because you can't get close to it. And since you will normally be flying by at high speed you won't normally notice the lower quality of these objects or any of the shortcuts they take such as making objects 2D with fixed shadows and lighting. It is also easier to animate cars then living creatures. Other than the wheels there really isn't much moving on a vehicle, it's just an object moving through space, it's shape doesn't change. Most of the vehicle parts is also solid colors that just need to be shaded and have reflections added, no textures required in most cases.
From everything I've read, yes, racing games and sports games are easier to do it because most of the HD assets will be pre-rendered and then loaded. Where XB1 and its esram are going to have a hard time is in open world games where the HD assets are going to need to be constantly loaded and very little is pre-rendered.
Is that right kneon? Whats going on with Driveclub? Werent they working to get it running att 30fps
@Ripsta7th Simple, they are trying to do more and have a more dynamic world. You can always try to push any game to do more, or you can take shortcuts and take the easy way out.
They are being forced into saying resolutions and fps because people on the Internet keep saying the box can't do 1080p, 60fps.
Microsoft: "Play the games not the resolution" Gamers: "Ok, you know what? You're right. Graphics don't matter that much, gameplay is what's going to be what defines next-gen." *Loads up Ryse* Gamers: "Whoa what the hell MS?" Microsoft: "Umm... Play the resolution, not the game! Forza 5 Running 1080p 60fps shows what future Xbox One Games Can Be."
Forza 5 looks a tad bit better than 4...major downgrade. Picked it up with ryse...ryse looks good but its mechanics and combat are boring and last gen.
I'm confused is this a good thing?
Forza 5 looks like a 360. Based off what I saw from my friend playing... -The draw distance is terrible -Tons of aliasing -The cardboard cutout crowd is real -The lighting is odd to say the least.
Im an avid Forza fan (i always preferred it to GT), i played all of the past games, but the live streams and gameplay vids ive been watching today and yesterday don't look as good as the previous builds ive seen. You can definitely tell that cutbacks were made to maintain that 1080p 60fps. That, and the fact that it has less content than the previous games is a little disheartening to me. Im still going to buy it....but im glad im buying it next year when it won't be full retail price. Forza 4 - 600+ cars - 40+ tracks Forza 5 - 210 cars - 14 tracks Cmon!
If you watch the screenshot comparison of the final build of the game compared to the initial gameplay demos, it's staggering just how severe they've downgraded the graphics of the game. I thought that the original gameplay demos that they had of the Prague circuit looked stunning (IGN gameplay demo, Jimmy Fallon) but they were obviously running the game on PC. The final version of the game looks absolutely hideous in comparison. You can see the screenshots here, it's shocking: http://www.neogaf.com/forum... I can see why reviewers were giving the game 7/10 scores now, it's disappointing all round. The heavy focus on micro transactions is disgraceful, too.
Are those pictures for real?! I'm not accusing you or anything, I am just a bit shocked. I'd love to believe you Bolt but I am watching guys on Twitch play it and it doesn't look near what Fallon was playing. All the enviromental shadows have disappeared and the textures look really bland and lifeless. This is both pretty shocking and kind of sad. I know games change throughout their development time but this just has really really pretty car models and slightly better backgrounds. Shadows are missing all over the place.
I watched the IGN livestream of Forza 5 on Wednesday and it didn't look anything like that.
Funny looking back at the 30 disagrees I got for my comment back then ... http://n4g.com/news/1387457... What Microsoft does is close to criminal, showing a vastly superior game running on high end PC's before launch just to downgrade the hell of it to make it run smoothly on their console ...did they really think noone would notice?!
Come on, Forza 5 has as many cars and tracks... You just have to spend an extra $50 to get them. $110.00 games are next gen.
what"future"games can be? How about now? We are next gen aren't we?
That Sega Genesis Mortal Kombat crowd Forza uses, sure as hell is next gen and evidence as what devs need to do to get 1080p 60 fps in Xbox one... lol
The cars look amazing inside and out. I love the Drivatar concept as well. Best game on Xbone so far!
Not really saying much is it?
Sadly it is not saying much. I can't buy the 1 just for Forza and Kinect. I don't know how anyone says the XB1 launch line-up is better than the PS4's.
Not really lol...
Please tell me this is not true! http://slumz.boxden.com/f13...
Yeah, those pics pretty much sum up what ive been seeing on the livstreams and most recent youtube vids. Just an overall drop in quality. @below I can understand what you are saying about live stream quality not being accurate to what the game actually looks like, but that only really applies to resolution and framerate. It's obvious to me that the final build of Forza doesn't look like it did at E3. The lighting, textures,shadows, crowd all look downgraded. Im not being biased....im just going off what we can see with our own eyes. http://abload.de/image.php?... - Old build http://abload.de/image.php?... - Final build
Because its a livestream good lord the game looks like the first pics! You all need to stop the xbone is out stop all the rumors everything can be confirmed jeesh!!!
"You all need to stop the xbone is out stop all the rumors everything can be confirmed jeesh" Rumours... Wat?? These are screengrabs from the final game vs ones from E3. Both are screengrabs from Youtube. Go on gaf and you will see all the evidence there.
Don't defend this Sm00thNinja. That is appalling and unacceptable. You can tell it isn't the same game and looks considerably worse, livestream or not. Most of the shadows and track textures are gone. I'm shocked. I am shocked. And this isn't a rumour. This is a guy playing the game for himself. He picked up on it whilst playing it for himself. Watching streams and yeah, this is pretty bad. Also, the X1 seems really slow to do anything. It takes a while to get into a game.
How could we just be hearing about this now? Why was it not mentioned in any of the reviews?
@Bolts-N-Rays1109 "How could we just be hearing about this now? Why was it not mentioned in any of the reviews?" There are already two articles on n4g. Also do you think gamesites that are primarily console players & not that much more technical than us are going to talk about this considering they already dismiss the differences in res? This was must likely discovered by PC gamers from gaf & a site like Anandtech which don't care about console gaming or has any bias to either console notices that they are differences between the two in third-paty games. Just look at the things they highlight here --. http://www.neogaf.com/forum... http://www.anandtech.com/sh...
2D crowds are the future.
Whaaaat.... good lord that's a HUGE difference
Well there were plenty of stories about the demos running on PCs. If that's true then that would explain the differences.
Bait and switch + false advertising
Correct if I'm wrong. But there comparing a live game being played on Jimmy Fallon to a screen shot of a live stream. Aren't live streams 480p??? I know I watched a guy play on twitch...he specifically said he was streaming at 480p.
You don't need a 1080p stream to see a downgrade of graphics though.....all that's going to do is make it sharper. Look at the screenshots i posted above. Blatant change in textures, lighting, shadows, car detail. It's just not right to show something and say "this is 1080p 60fps" and then the final build quality doesn't match up to that. (Guerilla Games did this with Killzone Shadow Fall too though, it has dips below 60fps in MP quite regularly so don't think im being biased here). Lies are lies at the end of the day regardless of who is telling them.
Spreading the word! As a guy with both Xbone and PS4 the xbone is the better console! And I love the PS4 but that's my honest opinion! If you have the money don't rob yourself from experiencing the Xbox one!! Forza is amazing! Loving all the disagrees! And don't say I don't have a PS4 add me if your that butthurt add: SmoothNinja
you need to try harder than that...!
Why try harder it's my opinion. The Xbox one is the console to beat. Sure the games aren't at 1080p but if Microsoft can rectify this and have a steady supply of AAA EXCLUSIVES. They'll remain the better console.
Try harder because that's not going to convince anybody. Honestly sounds like a really bad attempt to convince yourself.
can someone name me an ps4 exclusive that can do 1080p 60fps? and don't say resogun because that game looks like indie arcade iphone game.. its like saying street fighter 2 is back in 1080p 60fps lol sorry ps4, the terra floppy gangster ram (Gddr5) didn't help killzone be 1080p 60 lol even knack struggled.
says the guy who owns the 720p machine... go watch some TV and dont forget your mountain dew and doritos combo. ;) Oh and because you asked: COD 1080p 60fps NBA 2k 1080p 60fps Killzone multiplayer 1080p 60 fps need I go on? Like I said please keep enjoying that awesome last gen 720p resolution! kkthnxbye lol
That wasn't immature of you at all. I don't think anyone can argue at this point the PS4 is the more visually powerful console. That's indisputable. Why Xbox fans are arguing that is beyond me
Why not Resogun? Looks like an awesome title. It's really starting to annoy how so called gamers are dismissing Indie and the smaller downloadable titles. It takes just as much effort and skill for a tiny team to make a 1080p/60fps Indie game as it does a huge team making a AAA. We're all supposed to be gamers here - as long as the resolution and fps doesn't detract form the GAME experience, who cares!! I'm much more concerned that both Forza 5 and Ryse have (optional) micro-transactions baked in, and that Forza has significantly less tracks than previous versions (no doubt track packs will be available as DLC). I really hope this isn't what we can expect from the future of next-gen games (XB1 or PS4)
Yea! Don't anyone be dis'n Resogun. It's currently top of my list for most wanted PS4 games come the 29th. Reviews are praising it, and the graphics are freaking awesome from the vids I've seen. Back OT. I saw Forza 5 running today and even managed to wrestle the controller out of some turd 12yr olds hand long enough to complete a lap or two. Impressions? Not a bad game by any standards. But visually I was expecting more. It just doesn't scream "next gen". The smooth 1080p and 60fps are nice in motion, but whenever I crashed near a crowd, or wall/building, the blandness of it all was very apparent.
Yes amazing what this system can do when you have pre-baked lights and environment.
You are a very ignorant and foolish fanboy.90% of all you spill from your mouth is crap . You got nothing better to do? Why dont you try to reason , go play ps3 or ps4 or even better, stop allowing your bias blind your every sense of logic..no one is stopping you from getting a ps4 or enjoying its games, i have friends who own it and are having a blast. but you always in every xbx article talking crap.are you so narrow minded and empty or so redundant and useless? Gamers like you are really what should fail...not the xbx one..cos if more gamers like you were actualy on the side of ms and the xbx ,it would be very sad for the fans.my friends, cousins and i got the xbx one and its been a great experience..when infamous gets out and i finally get a ps4, ill try to avoid immature gamers like yourself...you are the real cancer killing the fun in gaming not ms.
Have the game, and it looks like the E3 build. No degradation and that's all ill say. Why are PS4 fans still on offense both consoles are out! Lets stop slandering and talk about the games coming down the pipeline! Of course this is like asking for world peace. Oh well going back to BF4 on PS4... Yeesh
Nothing wrong that. Sony has been playing that game since day 1.
Well, I've watched some footage on youtube. The game lacks visual details. I think that's why it's 1080p in the first place.
Amazes me how playstation fans come on a Xbox forum and can't stop talking about how much better playstation is.. Then why you on here and not playing your so called wonderful system or talking with other fans on your own forum... let ppl enjoy there system.. who honestly cares what any of you think.. I have had the Xbox on for over 8 hours straight and not had a single problem with it.. not even warm to the touch and the thing is amazingly quiet you can't even hear it running and the things the Kinnect can do are pretty cool. I didn't even have to type in my day one achievement the camera just scanned it for me.. I thought that was pretty neat. It does has its flaws at moments but for the most part it's pretty solid for me.. I'm sure the Playstation is a great machine.. they both have there pros and cons.. but bashing a system is ridiculous.. Both systems will do well and it's gonna be a great generation for us gamers. I'm already amazed and it's only gonna get better with time. We all need to chill out and Enjoy the years to come as it's been a long time coming!!!!
Another victimised XBox fan. I'm going to create a support group! I guess you're using the Snap feature to post on N4G, as otherwise shouldn't you be playing rather than posting???
But dat Ryse though...
I been playing the past 8 hours ppl do take breaks and don't game 24-7... coming from a playstation fan on an Xbox forum and trying to tell me that I should be gaming and not posting and I guess I'm the one who needs help support.... smh lol
The thing is, we called this all along. We knew Microsoft was using high end NVidia carded pc's to demo these games. Xbox fans cried foul and wanted to argue about it. Well now the proof is finally here. The same thing happened to Ryse except Crytek were forthcoming about it. And dont try to say Sony did the same thing because if they did, why are no PS4 games looking downgraded? They all look exactly the same as they did at E3. Enjoy paying more for less.
What did that guy say from turn 10 when he walked on stage during e3? Its not about pixel count or something?.
Anandtech told you all you needed to know in their hardware review: "In order to accommodate the eSRAM on die Microsoft not only had to move to a 12 CU GPU configuration, but it’s also only down to 16 ROPs (half of that of the PS4). The ROPs (render outputs/raster operations pipes) are responsible for final pixel output, and at the resolutions these consoles are targeting having 16 ROPs definitely puts the Xbox One as the odd man out in comparison to PC GPUs. Typically AMD’s GPU targeting 1080p come with 32 ROPs, which is where the PS4 is, but the Xbox One ships with half that." The only 1080P 60fps games Xbox One will get are ones with last gen graphics (ie. Forza 5), the E3 demos were running on high end PC's.