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Xbox One vs PS4 Game Install Time Comparison

Watch a new video showing a game install time comparison on PS4 and Xbox One. (PS4, Xbox One)

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GribbleGrunger  +   149d ago | Well said
Why does it take 4 minutes longer to install on the X1?
Lukas_Japonicus  +   149d ago | Well said
I know, that's weird. Can you play while you install with the X1?

Damn that's quick on the PS4, i hated the installs on PS3.
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Kayant  +   149d ago
@Lukas_Japonicus

iirc yes but it's only after a certain percentage

"Call of Duty: Ghosts reportedly takes around 10 minutes to install 51 per cent of the game, after which point you are then able to play."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
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darthv72  +   149d ago
It seems that if a game requires a patch that is available at the time you first insert the disc....the xb1 downloads and installs the patch during the install process.

If you disconnect from the internet, the game can be installed prior to patching but if you go online then it will get the patch before playing.

My view is both platforms should have kept the option to play from the disc with the choice to install if needed. Both are using newer and quicker bluray optical drives.
vulcanproject  +   149d ago
Bluray 6x read is a constant 27MB/s. If the drive runs for over 5 minutes at full speed just installing it should be at least 8Gb read off the disc.

But I don't think thats the problem, I think there has to be a software flaw here, I read reports of people having extremely slow installs far beyond anything that should be happening.

OS bug? Updates problem? Disc errors? Who knows.
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FANTA1180  +   149d ago
at some point yes,.
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knockknockannefrank  +   149d ago | Funny
well looks like that cloud processing is hard at work
BitbyDeath  +   149d ago
Sony has a secondary chip which it offloads a lot of work to, Xbone does not.
vigilante_man  +   149d ago | Well said
If you are the owner of a new sparkling XBox One today I guess you do not give a damn if it takes a little longer to install just as long as you can play your new next gen games!

As I jealous PS4 fan still waiting in the UK I can only offer my best wishes to all XB1 owners on their fantastic launch. Here's hoping there are no major issues.

Today is Microsoft's Day. A big congratulations to them and all new XB1 owners. Let the games begin...
irepbtown  +   149d ago
@vigilante_man

I'm on your boat, still another week until our release.

The PS4 is faster but not by a big amount which is good news for any folks getting (or have) the X1. And I'm sure whatever console you've chosen, you wouldn't mind a few minute difference.

Totally agree @Lukas_Japonicus, PS3 install was bloody annoying on the PS3. From what I'm reading about the PS4, it's pretty quick.
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ShinMaster  +   149d ago
XBOX ONE HAS A SLOWER BLU-RAY DRIVE.

Mystery solved.
NewMonday  +   149d ago
so far the PS4 has..

faster installs
faster browser
organized UI
simple to use live stream
better audio support

the PS4 is winning the services category the XBone was built for.
UnHoly_One  +   149d ago
NewMonday I have to disagree with you on the "organized UI" bullet point.

I think the PS4's UI is absolutely horrible.

I never liked the XMB either, though.

At least this is marginally better, but I predict it will get to be quite the cluttered mess once you build up a library of downloaded games.
LonDonE  +   149d ago
@vigilante_man and @irepbtown

I too live in UK and man waiting one more week is killing me, what makes it even worse is my work colleagues booked time off on the launch day, so i will be stuck at work from 7am till 8:30pm so by the time i get home I AM SHATTERED!!! so most likely wont even be able to play it much!
And its the same for Saturday, i have Sunday off, so Saturday night onwards i will be playing it non stop LOL

So annoyed i didn't book it off earlier, knowing my mates they will msg me with vids pics etc! aaaggghhhh!!!! either way at least i can say i have my own job,my own house, wife and kids, and so bills to pay! while most of them live at home with their mums and have had their mums buy it for them LOLOL

So technically its not even their PS4! LMAO
FamilyGuy  +   149d ago
They said they wanted to make everything faster on the PS4, that secondary chip is doing an amazing job.

It's been said that downloads, system updates and patches all happen in the background, even while in standby mode thanks to this low-power secondary chip. What I was curious about was whether uploads continue in the background while in standby mode as well because I didn't see this mentioned. I was going to bed and my video wasn't done uploading so I tested it out. Tried it last night with an upload of a Resogun video and it works!

Loving the PS4 more each day.
snipermk0  +   149d ago
another comparison with Call of Duty Ghosts:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
mikeslemonade  +   148d ago
Haha whatever happen to XBL being the better service?? I mention XBL because the zealots usually mention that they don't need to install games because it installs during while they download.
OrangePowerz  +   149d ago
Could have something to do with the Xbox One originally being designed to run games only from the HDD and not from the disc. The plan was that the discs are only used for installation and the game would work without the disc. They might not have changed that function, so it would need to install more data before it is playable.
ethomaz  +   149d ago
PS4 runs the game from HDD only too.
Kayant  +   149d ago
@ethomaz

No it doesn't. How do you explain how people can play it while the game installs in the background?

Edit - Ahh I see what you mean there. Yh after initial installation that's true.
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DARK WITNESS  +   149d ago
surely if the original idea from the beginning was that all games would be installed and run from the HDD, then shouldn't it be a lot faster on the xb1.

I can understand that installing and then starting to play may be affected but regardless. If the xb1 was always intended to install then it should be optimized to do that in the fastest possible time, it should be faster then the ps4 if anything... Not slower

another question, are the stall sizes exactly the same for both systems? I think everyone just assumes that they are, but has anyone actually checked ?
ethomaz  +   149d ago
@Kayant

The games runs only from HDD... it install the first amount of data to start to play the game so after that it use this game to play and in background install the additional to progress in the game... after the full disc is installed no BD read is done anymore.

Games on PS4 are full installed on HDD too.

Cerny explained that pretty well.

Edit - @DARK WITNESS, the install sizes are close... just 1-2GB different.
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despair  +   149d ago
@ethomaz

Not true, you can start playing killzone less than a minute after inserting the disk and textures are massive, no way would it have copied enough resources to pay the game by then, it runs from both until it is fully cached on the hdd.
OrangePowerz  +   149d ago
The PS4 still loads from both disc and HHD after the files are installed, hence why you don't need for it to reach 50% in games like CoD before you can play.
Sevir  +   149d ago
The PS4 Caches data for fast loading, you are still required to have the disc in the drive to play, UNLESS the game is digital!

I tried switching from Resogun to Battlefield 4 while Injustice:GAU was in the drive and a message popped up saying,

"proper disc not inserted"
And I had to eject Injustice and insert BF4.
cell989  +   149d ago
I think it's all software, Sony really did a number on Microsoft, they are ahead on everything. I sure as he'll see how the trade off for no mp3 at launch was the right choice, in exchange for twitch streaming and smooth game installs. Sony did not F around this time
Bathyj  +   149d ago
Got me a Hybrid drive. Interested to see what difference it makes.

Edit
That comparison is bizzare.
There are a few instances where the Stock drive is quicker. and apparent Black Flag boots 37 and 47 seconds quicker on the stock than the Hybrid and Solid State respectively. Thats a huge amount.

Yet they claim Hybrid offers the best combination of performance boost, storage size and price over all but some of those numbers seem weird.

Oh well, its what Im using now. I think I've actually got the same Seagate they used in the test so I should be good.
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Eonjay  +   149d ago
There is a comparison on IGN:
http://www.ign.com/wikis/pl...
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ABizzel1  +   149d ago
It should knock off a few seconds on just about everything you do.

How bid is the SD in it?
Eonjay  +   149d ago
Its not what it seems and I don't think IGN pointed out the obvious. With Hybrid HDD you have to let the drive cache data to NAND to utilize its speed boost. So basically, the first boot of Resogun may be slow, but subsequent boots will be much faster than HDD. This includes system cold booting.
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GameSpawn  +   149d ago
@eonjay

That is also assuming that the "redundant" data doesn't exceed the size of the SSD cache (8GB on most hybrid drives).

So as long as the data that is constantly being accessed from the hard drive stays under 8GB you'll notice near SSD performance as the data is being pulled from the SSD cache and not the conventional drive. Once you have a cache miss (data not on the SSD portion) then you get MUCH slower access times due to the failed attempt + subsequent data retrieval and caching.

The goal is to minimize cache misses. Inevitably you are going to have a cache miss, but if the data set your working with is small enough your hits will far outweigh the misses giving closer to real SSD performance. If it is the other way around though you can actually get WORSE performance than a conventional hard drive alone because you are performing two read requests for each cache miss instead of one.
The_KELRaTH  +   149d ago
Unfortunate not nearly as much as it could have due to saving a few pence and not supporting SATA III
My_Outer_Heaven  +   149d ago
PS4 is more powerful.
stuna1  +   149d ago
Those 3 OS's are bogging down the Xbox1 as a whole! One would have to figure there would have to be some type of conflict between the different Operating systems, even on standard PC's with more than one OS tweaks have to be made! I don't see why the same wouldn't apply to the Xbox1 as we'll.
vallentiin  +   149d ago
The ps4 has a x8 bluray and xbox one has a x6
tigertom53  +   149d ago
maybe ps4 has a faster drive
crazyclown  +   149d ago
Reason why the PS4 is superior and the XBONE is inferior :)

Hate all you want, this is my opinion (and a fact). Dislike it? GTFO!

Love it, then :)
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farhad2k8  +   149d ago
@UnHoly_One

Are you kidding me? If you put the PS4 and XB1 UI in front of a 60 year old man who has never had an electronic device in his life, he would find it much easier to navigate on the PS4. The UI isn't bulked up with random ads, random TV related prompts, it's straight to the point, and it revolves around the games of the PS4.
Tapewurm  +   149d ago
The power of Teh Cloud! 8)
TBONEJF  +   149d ago
and why are u all looking at FIFA? that's not a next gen game
solid_snake3656  +   149d ago
It seems slow because it was compared to a superior console.
SaturdayNightBeaver  +   149d ago
Jesus lets compare which power cord is longer? This is just pure BS
shysun  +   149d ago
Why? It's always been this way...Why don't you like it now?

Im not saying we have to be this way but just go with it man. ;)
Gekko36  +   148d ago
This is just a geek pissin contest.

Well I've got an Xbox One and a 9.5" nob. Does that mean I win?
nosferatuzodd  +   149d ago
why indeed
imdaboss1  +   149d ago
4 to 5 min is a big difference who the hell wants to wait that long??
demobot  +   149d ago
A loser with no life or woman.
BX81  +   149d ago
Lmao go figure cod, I could play bf4 and ryse single player around 23%. The mp for bf4 I couldn't play till 100% download.
Malacath  +   148d ago
Probably because a game patch is being downloaded during the install.

I agree though that game installs are annoying on any platform but unfortunately that's how it's going to be on both ps4 and xb1.

At least once the game is installed you don't have to do it again(unless you delete of course)
iLemon  +   149d ago
It took so long to install NFS that I thought it was copying the entire disk instead of the 351MB it mentioned. It took less time to download the 500MB OS update over the internet.
blackbirdi  +   149d ago
are talking about xbox one or ps4 ?
MasterCornholio  +   149d ago
He's talking about Xbox One because the PS4s update is only 300MB in size.

Nexus 7 2013
JackVagina  +   149d ago
whats the dealio? dont they both have the same 5400rpm HDD and 6x BD drive
AgitatedOcelot  +   149d ago
Three Microsoft OS's running through virtualization and using the ntfs filesystem.

I'm guessing the PS4 is using EXT 4 since it uses BSD, Which is just a better, faster files system in my opinion.
agibbis  +   149d ago
This!

Its not all about snazzy hardware, considering both machines are very similar.

The software the PS4 uses and file system is imo what puts the PS4 slightly ahead.
GoodnessGreatness  +   149d ago
Add a faster harddrive like an SSD.
Fishy Fingers  +   149d ago
Are there any benchmarks to compare? Based on current gen I believe that made little difference.

I personally don't see the fuss, if your installing the game your going to have to wait. So wait. I don't think knowing X console installs something 10% faster or slower is going to kill you.
sak500  +   149d ago
Dont know about consoles but i've been using 128GB SSD as main o/s and i've noticed shortend boot time, increased response when opening o/s related apps like control pannel ones. Been using it since 2011.

I wish new gen consoles could have used a 32 / 64 gb ssd only for o/s and caching files.
BX81  +   149d ago
I hated the ps3 wait but I got use to it. The Xbox one wait isn't as long but still sux and I'm already over it.
My_Outer_Heaven  +   149d ago
From what I've seen theres no real performance benefit from doing that. Its better to go bigger rather than a bit faster.
DoesUs  +   149d ago
A hybrid drive seems the best option, and you will see some really good gains over the stock drive.
Bathyj  +   149d ago
Thats why I went Hybrid. Still 1tb but slightly better performance (should be comparable to a 7200rpm which I had trouble finding a good one) but less heat than that, and cheaper and more storage than a SSD.
thehitman  +   149d ago
from the benches I seen as well I dont think its worth it to put an SSD. Especially since the size of the SSD will be MUCH less which is counter productive. Unless your willing to fork out like 500-600 bucks for a 1 TB SSD I wouldnt bother and still then I would rather stick that baby in my PC and not my ps4.
MasterCornholio  +   149d ago
Wow the Xbox One is slow.

Nexus 7 2013
sak500  +   149d ago
Wow ps3 had pretty long assed downloads/install/updates but did it stop it from selling?
Swiggins  +   149d ago
That was 8 years ago bro, we're living in the future dammit!
MasterCornholio  +   149d ago
Did having faster installs stop the PS4 from outselling the Xbox One?
Deathdeliverer  +   149d ago
Swiggins I tried to agree but hit disagree on my phone in laughter lol.
phoenix_dusk  +   149d ago
Wow. That's a dealbreaker tbh.
MasterCornholio  +   149d ago
Imagine what the installs would be like with huge games?

Nexus 7 2013
FANTA1180  +   149d ago
the install times suck... hopefully they can fix that.

not gonna complain too much its just a one time thing.
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Convas  +   149d ago
The Xbox One downloads Day One patches for these games first before getting to the game installation folks.

This is known.
Neoninja  +   149d ago
Actually I did not know this so you taught me something new.
Not really a big deal to me though. As long as I can play the game and enjoy it, is all that matters.
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Tooly  +   149d ago
so does the ps4 is you go to the downloads on ps4 it downloads the game and installs it while downloading the patch
KingDadXVI  +   149d ago
And many people that got the PS4 had exactly the same problem with having to wait for hours before playing their games.
Tooly  +   149d ago
@king Not me my shit was done asap....
LordDhampire  +   148d ago
Kingdad stop making stuff up, Ps4 had a few problems, but I haven't heard that complain once
KingDadXVI  +   149d ago
This is all due to the fact that he Xbox One requires the download patch for the game first. If the download takes 5 minutes then that adds 5 minutes to the install time.

Some people will say that they should allow the game to install first and patch it later but I would argue that it makes more sense from the stand point of the game developer/publisher and console manufacturer to force the patch so that people don't shit all over the game or system for having a game full of bugs.

Either way it is a catch 22 as they will catch flak for either a slower install like some are experiencing or a game that drops frame rate or crashes.
BISHOP-BRASIL  +   149d ago
I can be wrong so don't quote me on that (PS4 only releases hereon the 29th), but from what I've been reading, PS4 does the same process, installing patches and game data at once... Again, don't quote me on that, I'll only know for sure on the 29th.
KingDadXVI  +   149d ago
I have heard the same. Whether it is true I cannot verify. The other thing to mention about this video is that the PS4 has been out for a week now while the Xbox has just been released. So the pressure on the servers for downloads of Xbox One games will create a bigger delay than for the PS4. Have fun with your PS4. I can't open ours until Christmas as it is a gift for my kids (and me LOL).
BISHOP-BRASIL  +   149d ago
Man, I couldn't even imagine having a PS4 (or any new videogame console, really) on my house and waiting to open it... The first thing that came to my mind was to say "screw the kids!", but that's probably not the best parenting advice! LOL

Back on topic, I totally agree, if you have to download and install the patches along the gamedata, it will be a long time of extensive testing before we know for sure if there are significant differences in performance.

Quality of the online service from either console maker will affect this, as will number of people downloading it at the same time, it could also be something in our end like internet quality and setting (port forward may be in order)... And those are just a few variables on top of what's already being discussed here (BD Drive speed, filesystem, OS, etc).

It's simply not worth the trouble to even try and guess which one performs better at installs right now or based on a single game... And I doubt it will ever be worth it. I mean, I don't think this is irrelevant as we have to install every game now, but this is a one time deal per game (or multiple when the HDD is getting crowdded, but still) not something we'll have to do all the time.
hawkeyejonjon  +   149d ago
When I got Killzone Shadow Fall and when it was installing the game data it was also downloading the patch at the same time. For digital games it would download the game and patch at the same time as well

Edit:I don't understand why Xbox One installing slower. As long as you can play it in the end it doesn't matter but I can possibly understand some(if any frustrations) going from optional installs(Xbox 360) to mandatory installs(Xbox One)
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N8  +   149d ago
I saw this first hand last night. My friend got an xb1 and we where playing my ps4 while we waited. Xb1 takes longer to install I was like wtf is just COD! It took longer though I dont know why.
sak500  +   149d ago
Read the above comments it's already mentioned that it takes longer due to downloading and installing patch files first.
jimbobbeers  +   149d ago
This is because the PS4 uses caching to the HDD, and the Xbox doesn't, simple. Essentially the PS4 will play games quicker but loading times will be reduced for the first 30 mins whilst its caching all the data from the disc. The Xbox plays the safer game of installing 50% to the hard drive before allowing gameplay.

Ultimately this means the PS4 will allow you to play games quicker but loading times will be longer than normal, and Xbox go for longer install times to reduce load time for the first 30mins.
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Deathdeliverer  +   149d ago
Well coming from someone with both systems that is not the case. PS4 does all patching and installing simultaneously. Just look at the activity when you put a new game in. It's simply faster all around. Installing, loading times after installing. Period. Does not mean that the Xbox is bad. Just means the facts are the facts.
jimbobbeers  +   148d ago
Fact is PS4 caches, Shu says so.

https://twitter.com/yosp/st...

And multiple sites have confirmed load times are longer when the game hasn't installed a great deal. As I said.
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sackboyhappy  +   149d ago
the vid of the xbox looks like it has more colour to it, i hope that's just the way they captured the video, i dont want games that look like cod (dull, washed out greys and browns)
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   149d ago
This must be a serious issue for xbox, right guys? I mean, you always said what a horrible piece of tech PS3 was for long downloads (not even this long) So Xbone must be a abomination, right guys? Guys where are you?
JamieL  +   149d ago
At your mama's house, while the One's loading.
IHassounah  +   149d ago
Unfortunately a patch have to be downloaded through the internet for every game , the over load of the servers are making a huge problem to make a little long times of install
Hakoom  +   149d ago
wow 4 mins? oO
BRAD-RIDGE  +   149d ago
I Think the xbone has an extra part for fifa over the ps4 but thats still a long wait. but i won't worry too much at least you can snap it right? And it should be a one time thing
Mister_G  +   149d ago
Well done Sony :)
sagapo  +   149d ago
Is the amount of data installed equal?? they don't mention that.
It's the same game tho, but if for some reason the Xbone version installs more data, the difference could be explained that way.

Still, installing games on X360 took ages ass well...
explicitbaron  +   149d ago
I'm a patient person so I never minded dealing with installs on the PS3. I am surprised that the PS4 is faster for installs on the Xbox One. Everyone used to gloat about how Xbox doesn't need installs now it does AND it's slower than the Playstation.
CaulkSlap  +   149d ago
If it weren't for 360 lacking a hard drive as standard we would have gotten used to installs a long time ago. And games would have looked as amazing as GTA5 much earlier. Streaming from discs is just so much slower than a hard drive and frees up more RAM for the actual game instead of caching.

Really gotta consider that the 6x Blu-ray drives are only 3 times faster, yet the system RAM is 16 times larger than before. Just doesn't cut it for streaming data if you want to continually utilize all of the RAM.
GrandpaSnake  +   149d ago
Dude you guys should have seen my friend who constantly gloats about everything xbox, i was like you the x1 is slower than the ps4 he was like " hell NO!" then i showed him the video in he was like "that shit is a faulty xbox1" then when he got his x1 he brought it over confidently and we did a side by side comparison and he was like ready to cry!! holy smokes. i grew up with him so he is brutally honest and he was THAT guy always talking up the xbox.
Things like, xbox has better games, xbox sales more, xbox has faster DL times,xbox games look better,xbox has a better controller, xbox has a better UI... i mean this guy never stopped and this year PLAYSTATION totally flipped the tide around.
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GdaTyler  +   149d ago
More icing on the cake. Greatness Awaits.
ironmonkey  +   149d ago
Man that xone is looking like shit and thats me being honest. Even worst than the 360.
Themba76  +   148d ago
i personally think the 360 is better it catered to gamers more not casual media buffs
BaconBits  +   149d ago
I did not even know you could install COD ghosts. I bought the disc but could not find and install option. Just put it in and played. Am I missing something?
DJ  +   148d ago
PS4 and Xbox One games are full copied to their respective Hard Drives. The disc is only used as authentication afterwards.

PS4 lets you delete any game data off the HDD. Not sure if Xbox is the same. Can anyone fill us in? Thanks.
brosephsmith  +   149d ago
Anyone remember weeks ago, xbox fans talking about launch lineup...ryse this, ryse that.xbox launch lineup was the best.RYSE!!! Bwahahaha have u read the reviews...game suuuuuuucks! Lmfao!
qzp  +   149d ago
all this for 100$ more what a deal
bigboirock  +   148d ago
it tells you before you install a game that it needs to download a patch first. i got 5 games at launch and all 5 needed to download a patch first witch all ranged up to 1gig.

thats the long part for me takes about 5 min to download patch and half that to install full game to hard drive
alexmurur  +   148d ago
Why the installs... so much for "the next gen"..
Mister_G  +   148d ago
Blu-ray is too slow to stream off the disk
DJ  +   148d ago
I guess Sony's OS is just faster than the two OS's that Microsoft made for Xbox. This is probably the most bizarre news story regarding next-gen.
ELpork  +   148d ago
lol, German ads...
Dreadnort  +   148d ago
I think one of the most surprising things I learned is that both of these next gen consoles use SATA II HDD's. I mean come one SATA II really ??. I know that as far as copying a game to HDD is concerned it's governed by the speed of the Bluray player. But you'd have thought that they utilising SATA III would have been an absolute no brainer, apparently not.

Once a game was installed, a SATA III would have helped considerably I'd have thought to further reduce loading times. At least MS and presumably Sony too have ditched FAT32 in favour of NTFS, something that with large single XXGb size files to download or on disc was pretty much a foregone conclusion.
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