Next-gen starts when Valve says so

Who needs a PlayStation 4 or Xbox One, when Valve's Steam Machines are coming right up? The next-generation of gaming hasn't truly started yet, well, not until Valve says so.

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zeal0us1730d ago (Edited 1730d ago )

Valve is extraordinary developer and company but next-gen already started regardless of what Valve say or does.

ATiElite1730d ago

Next Console Gen: yes

BUT Next Gen in the evolution of GAMING doesn't start until Valve says so.

Consoles are doing absolutely NOTHING new!

DX11 - been there done that
GDDR5 - that's so OLD
8 core AMD laptop CPU - still gets STOMPED by at least 15 Intels
1080p 60fps - Meh when PC can do 4k today

Valve has done things to push gaming forward especially with it's Half Life series. many of the ideas, techniques, features, graphics being used today came from Half Life and Half Life 2.

also Valve has Steam which revolutionized the way we buy games.

Valve leads in Indie Dev support and marketing through Steam.

Greenlight and Game Development software plus Valve are great at supporting MODDERS and Valve's revolutionary controller.

Valve aside, now there is the Oculus Rift that is pushing VR tech forward plus Nvidia Phyx, CLoud Gaming is already on the PC with Ray Tracing becoming a reality.

Valve has done a lot for the gaming industry and things become Next Gen when Valve says so.

GamerXD1730d ago

No such thing as next-gen on PCs.

mandf1730d ago

Content is what sells consoles. You may not like consoles but other than mmo's, the AAA games that make profit are on consoles. Numbers don't lie. Yes pc has more indies, but the consoles have more developers providing AAA content at a much higher pace.

Graphics are needed but nothing on pc gets developed for it high end. Consoles move the industry not pcs.

Mariusmssj1729d ago

Also isn't valve working on their own virtual reality headset?

EXVirtual1729d ago (Edited 1729d ago )

Valve is a great company, but they are not the holy grail of gaming. Neither is the PC. And like zeal0us said, next-gen has already started.
The PC can rake in a lot of money, but consoles are what brings in the money the most. And before anyone starts that 'consoles are dying' stuff, please note that the PS4 sold 1 million in 24 hours. In the NA alone.
Also, the Steam Machines are just smaller PCs. I'm don't think it's gonna go that far in the mainstream market.

nypifisel1729d ago

PCs evolves dynamically, there are no generations lol. Go learn programming and start innovating!

inf3cted11729d ago

PCs are already next gen

mikeslemonade1729d ago (Edited 1729d ago )


I can easily refute what you just said. What have they done with gameplay or technology wise lately. They used the Source engine to death, an engine made in 2003 for Counter Strike Source. What have they done in terms of gameplay. Portal 2 in 2011 and Orange Box in 2008. That's it.. Valve has been lacking in actual game development.

jebabcock1729d ago

The steam os is a gap filler between a pc and a console. It will be interesting if it actually sells and then gets dev support. I love the concept. I still see it being limited to those who don't mind building a pc though. I will definitely be giving it a look though.

Hellsvacancy1729d ago (Edited 1729d ago )

"Consoles are doing absolutely NOTHING new"

In fairness the new consoles have only been out for a week, I love Valves games, I can't wait for Portal 3, but think Valve are somehow going to revolutionise the gaming world with something NEW is a bit over the top

Hopefully i'm wrong, i'm all for NEW things

InTheLab1729d ago

Valve hasn't done much as a dev lately and their "consoles" are as pointless as this thread. Their games aren't pushing the specs you so proudly drop on us at every opportunity.

And let's talk about 4k gaming. Who here can afford it? Who here can afford to buy or build a rig that can do 4k? Or a monitor or a tv that supports 4k? 4k doesn't mean anything until it's affordable and that's the point of consoles.

You're not building a rig that does what the ps4/xb1/WiiU does at a reasonable price and PC gaming will never be what console gaming is as a result.

wnek91729d ago

I am a pc gamer my self but you have to understand that market of console gamers were stuck with 8 years of gddr3/ddr2 ram, ~dual core cpu's, older opengl/dx9, and ~720p 30fps.

this new hardware for them is a god send.

to a pc gamer it looks like 2010 hardware.

Mr Tretton1729d ago

ATiElite, I appreciate your love for PC, I share it, but my god you are such a fanboy.

windblowsagain1729d ago

Hl games were great at the time.

HL2 is possibly the easiest game i've ever played.

Most people could not careless about modding.

4k might be here for a few. But not everyone. And until shitloads of content in 4k comes along. It won't be owned by many.

At my local store. 55inch 4k tv is £3000, 65inch is £5000.

Bare in mind you can get a 42-50 inch tv for £700 - £800.

Gamer19821729d ago

If consoles are next gen then PCs are already next-next gen..

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Khajiit861729d ago

Im excited for the steam machine. But no game console excites me like Playstation. Xbox is amazing, Nintendo is legendary, and Playstation is just pure greatness. Next gen is here.

JsonHenry1729d ago

Just the amount of high quality free to play games and the extremely cheap quarterly Steam sales are enough to make this a success. The hard part is trying to convince people who are scared of PC gaming. Even if it is being sold to them with auto-updates, a gamepad, and familiar TV based user interface.

I have friends all the time look at my PC games and how good they look and how varied the genres are and get blown away at the things you can do but still shy away from PC gaming because they think you have to be some PC genius to pull it off.

starchild1729d ago

That's true. I see that kind of thing all the time, and Valve knows this.

The Steam OS and Steam Machines is a strategy to deal with that situation. To make PC gaming more approachable and less intimidating for those kinds of people.

Valve usually knows what they are doing, so I think it's likely that these machines are something that will have an impact. We'll see.

I know that, personally, I'm sticking with my PC for a while. Nothing on consoles excites me at all really. Most of the best games are multiplats anyway. I'll buy a console later on down the road when there are a handful of good games I can't get on my PC.

GeraltofRivia1729d ago

you don't need to be a genius to enjoy pc gaming, you just need at least half a brain, which sadly most people do not have.

Skizelli1728d ago

"Just the amount of high quality free to play games and the extremely cheap quarterly Steam sales are enough to make this a success."

I wonder how those people will feel about not owning any of the games they purchase from Steam. Look what happened to OnLive; their micro console was cool and it had a great controller, but it just wasn't enough to make it a success.

"you don't need to be a genius to enjoy pc gaming, you just need at least half a brain, which sadly most people do not have."

I think it has more to do with a lack of patience. We've become a lazy and spoiled society and most people don't want to dick around with manual install processes, drivers, and optimization when it comes to PC gaming. In my day, getting a game to run in DOS was a nightmare at times, but I loved it. I love getting things to work, whereas some people just want it to work. I guess it's an acquired taste.

JsonHenry1728d ago

@Skizelli - Yeah, I remember making an autoexe.bat boot disc to be able to run Doom 2 on my 4mb of RAM DX86 system back in the day. I shudder just thinking about the DOS days.

Anyway, I am not sure what you mean about them "not owning" games you purchase from Steam. Your Steam account transfers between all platforms. It is in the EULA. They even have a clause if Steam should ever close they will make a way for you to keep your games without having the Steam Client running. (or at least the did when I read it back when I was pre-loading HL2)

Skizelli1728d ago


It's in the Steam Subscriber Agreement. Here's some excerpts:

"Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a limited, terminable, non-exclusive license and right to use the Software for your personal, non-commercial use (except where commercial use is expressly allowed herein or in the applicable Subscription Terms) in accordance with this Agreement, including the Subscription Terms. The Software is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Software."


"All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Software and any and all copies thereof, are owned by Valve US and/or its or its affiliates’ licensors. All rights are reserved, except as expressly stated herein."

Source: http://store.steampowered.c...

I'm a huge fan of Doom. I was sad to hear about Carmack leaving id Software.

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Veneno1729d ago

Valve hasn't been relevant to new amazing game experiences since Half Life 2 back in 2004. I would love to see them come back with Half Life 3 or an equivalent heavy hitter but until then you are kidding yourself if you believe Valve is moving the gaming experience forward.

starchild1729d ago

That's beyond ignorant. The Left 4 Dead series had super good critical reception and was very successful. Same goes for Team Fortress 2, Portal, and most recently, Portal 2. (Portal 2 has a 95 on metacritic....that's the same score as the Last of Us that you guys hype to the moon). Nothing relevant?.. *shakes head*

Have you been living under a rock all this time, or just so far up Sony's @ss that you forgot what the real world looks like?

JsonHenry1729d ago

Let's not forget all the games that are on Steam itself that they have personally saw to that work with a gamepad and are being coded to run on linux. (steamOS)

Or the GIANT indie community that is there through steam greenlight.

Or the fact no one knew what a true game sale was until Valve showed us the way back when they did their first ever Steam Summer Sale.

Or that Valve was doing what Xboxlive/PSN was doing long before either other of the systems launched.

Yeah, Valve has done nothing.

Veneno1729d ago (Edited 1729d ago )

All of those games you listed are Half Life 2 mods. Not saying they aren't good but not Half Life good. They aren't Milestone masterpiece games that change they way we look at games Such as HL2.

But obviously you won't even try to understand if you resort to personal attacks and making up things I didn't say. It shows desperation. No where did I mention Sony.


Thanks for not needing to bash me or make up things that didn't happen.

Yeah all that stuff you listed is great, but I'm talking about ----->GAMES<------ and more specifically, games by Valve themselves. For me, in the end, it's all about game quality.

i can still enjoy playing retro games without Online multiplayer, Acheivments, friends list, live game streaming, or any of the modern conveniences we enjoy today. Why was Half Life 2 so amazing? because it was an amazing single player GAME. It doesn't need all the other stuff to lean on. And it will forever live on in gaming history as one of the best and most influential games ever and that my friend is what Valve needs to get back to doing. Making amazing games on a consistent basis.

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ninavoljic1729d ago

Valve's potential for home entertainment is very welcoming.

etownone1729d ago

I can't wait to try that new controller....

mixelon1729d ago

Same here. I cant understand anyone who isn't at least curious as to how it feels.

Are people really that against something different existing?

Gamer19821729d ago

I personally dont like the pad not to do with something differnt but trackballs are not my thing..

Gabenbrah1729d ago

Valve have always been ahead of the game, next-gen consoles are only doing what Valves been doing for years and Steam still does it far better. To me, next-gen is virtual reality with the Oculus Rift, trust me, I had a dev kit, Oculus Rift is the future of gaming and the only true next-gen game in my eyes is Star Citizen experienced with the Oculus Rift and Steambox and PC will continue to push gaming forward.

darx1729d ago (Edited 1729d ago )

Oculus will go the way of 3D, come and then go away then come back again and then go away again with only a few people with access. Sorry but if you want to look like a total douche then strap that thing to your head... mission accomplished.

Seafort1729d ago

You could say the same thing about Kinect. Waving your arms around like a douche and repeating words again and again when they voice recognition software doesn't understand what you said :P

If the Oculus was gonna be on consoles too instead of just PC exclusive it'd be another matter :)

boing11729d ago

I'm not seeing Steam Machines getting traction in the mainstream market. Can anyone enlight me who will buy it? How are they going to deal with brand recognition competition has? No one outside of PC world knows what Steam is. Hell, even my mom knows what PlayStation and Xbox are. But Steam? She never even heard of it.

mixelon1729d ago

A lot of people laughed at both Sony and MS before they entered the console market. Pfft , they have no experience - how are they going to compete with the old guard? Then Atari and Sega got pretty much thrown aside.

Almost everything Apple do there is a large group of doubters who claim it'll never sell. Usually including Steve Ballmer, most comically. :D

I don't see how the Steam box is going to penetrate the market either, but I'm open to the possibility. The market is so much bigger and more varied now there's more space for different approaches than there ever has been.