Who needs a PlayStation 4 or Xbox One, when Valve's Steam Machines are coming right up? The next-generation of gaming hasn't truly started yet, well, not until Valve says so.
Valve is extraordinary developer and company but next-gen already started regardless of what Valve say or does.
Next Console Gen: yes BUT Next Gen in the evolution of GAMING doesn't start until Valve says so. Consoles are doing absolutely NOTHING new! DX11 - been there done that GDDR5 - that's so OLD 8 core AMD laptop CPU - still gets STOMPED by at least 15 Intels 1080p 60fps - Meh when PC can do 4k today Valve has done things to push gaming forward especially with it's Half Life series. many of the ideas, techniques, features, graphics being used today came from Half Life and Half Life 2. also Valve has Steam which revolutionized the way we buy games. Valve leads in Indie Dev support and marketing through Steam. Greenlight and Game Development software plus Valve are great at supporting MODDERS and Valve's revolutionary controller. Valve aside, now there is the Oculus Rift that is pushing VR tech forward plus Nvidia Phyx, CLoud Gaming is already on the PC with Ray Tracing becoming a reality. Valve has done a lot for the gaming industry and things become Next Gen when Valve says so.
No such thing as next-gen on PCs.
Content is what sells consoles. You may not like consoles but other than mmo's, the AAA games that make profit are on consoles. Numbers don't lie. Yes pc has more indies, but the consoles have more developers providing AAA content at a much higher pace. Graphics are needed but nothing on pc gets developed for it high end. Consoles move the industry not pcs.
Also isn't valve working on their own virtual reality headset?
Valve is a great company, but they are not the holy grail of gaming. Neither is the PC. And like zeal0us said, next-gen has already started. The PC can rake in a lot of money, but consoles are what brings in the money the most. And before anyone starts that 'consoles are dying' stuff, please note that the PS4 sold 1 million in 24 hours. In the NA alone. Also, the Steam Machines are just smaller PCs. I'm don't think it's gonna go that far in the mainstream market.
PCs evolves dynamically, there are no generations lol. Go learn programming and start innovating!
PCs are already next gen
@ATIElite I can easily refute what you just said. What have they done with gameplay or technology wise lately. They used the Source engine to death, an engine made in 2003 for Counter Strike Source. What have they done in terms of gameplay. Portal 2 in 2011 and Orange Box in 2008. That's it.. Valve has been lacking in actual game development.
The steam os is a gap filler between a pc and a console. It will be interesting if it actually sells and then gets dev support. I love the concept. I still see it being limited to those who don't mind building a pc though. I will definitely be giving it a look though.
"Consoles are doing absolutely NOTHING new" In fairness the new consoles have only been out for a week, I love Valves games, I can't wait for Portal 3, but think Valve are somehow going to revolutionise the gaming world with something NEW is a bit over the top Hopefully i'm wrong, i'm all for NEW things
Valve hasn't done much as a dev lately and their "consoles" are as pointless as this thread. Their games aren't pushing the specs you so proudly drop on us at every opportunity. And let's talk about 4k gaming. Who here can afford it? Who here can afford to buy or build a rig that can do 4k? Or a monitor or a tv that supports 4k? 4k doesn't mean anything until it's affordable and that's the point of consoles. You're not building a rig that does what the ps4/xb1/WiiU does at a reasonable price and PC gaming will never be what console gaming is as a result.
I am a pc gamer my self but you have to understand that market of console gamers were stuck with 8 years of gddr3/ddr2 ram, ~dual core cpu's, older opengl/dx9, and ~720p 30fps. this new hardware for them is a god send. to a pc gamer it looks like 2010 hardware.
ATiElite, I appreciate your love for PC, I share it, but my god you are such a fanboy.
Hl games were great at the time. HL2 is possibly the easiest game i've ever played. Most people could not careless about modding. 4k might be here for a few. But not everyone. And until shitloads of content in 4k comes along. It won't be owned by many. At my local store. 55inch 4k tv is £3000, 65inch is £5000. Bare in mind you can get a 42-50 inch tv for £700 - £800.
If consoles are next gen then PCs are already next-next gen..
Im excited for the steam machine. But no game console excites me like Playstation. Xbox is amazing, Nintendo is legendary, and Playstation is just pure greatness. Next gen is here.
Just the amount of high quality free to play games and the extremely cheap quarterly Steam sales are enough to make this a success. The hard part is trying to convince people who are scared of PC gaming. Even if it is being sold to them with auto-updates, a gamepad, and familiar TV based user interface. I have friends all the time look at my PC games and how good they look and how varied the genres are and get blown away at the things you can do but still shy away from PC gaming because they think you have to be some PC genius to pull it off.
That's true. I see that kind of thing all the time, and Valve knows this. The Steam OS and Steam Machines is a strategy to deal with that situation. To make PC gaming more approachable and less intimidating for those kinds of people. Valve usually knows what they are doing, so I think it's likely that these machines are something that will have an impact. We'll see. I know that, personally, I'm sticking with my PC for a while. Nothing on consoles excites me at all really. Most of the best games are multiplats anyway. I'll buy a console later on down the road when there are a handful of good games I can't get on my PC.
you don't need to be a genius to enjoy pc gaming, you just need at least half a brain, which sadly most people do not have.
"Just the amount of high quality free to play games and the extremely cheap quarterly Steam sales are enough to make this a success." I wonder how those people will feel about not owning any of the games they purchase from Steam. Look what happened to OnLive; their micro console was cool and it had a great controller, but it just wasn't enough to make it a success. "you don't need to be a genius to enjoy pc gaming, you just need at least half a brain, which sadly most people do not have." I think it has more to do with a lack of patience. We've become a lazy and spoiled society and most people don't want to dick around with manual install processes, drivers, and optimization when it comes to PC gaming. In my day, getting a game to run in DOS was a nightmare at times, but I loved it. I love getting things to work, whereas some people just want it to work. I guess it's an acquired taste.
@Skizelli - Yeah, I remember making an autoexe.bat boot disc to be able to run Doom 2 on my 4mb of RAM DX86 system back in the day. I shudder just thinking about the DOS days. Anyway, I am not sure what you mean about them "not owning" games you purchase from Steam. Your Steam account transfers between all platforms. It is in the EULA. They even have a clause if Steam should ever close they will make a way for you to keep your games without having the Steam Client running. (or at least the did when I read it back when I was pre-loading HL2)
@JsonHenry It's in the Steam Subscriber Agreement. Here's some excerpts: "Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a limited, terminable, non-exclusive license and right to use the Software for your personal, non-commercial use (except where commercial use is expressly allowed herein or in the applicable Subscription Terms) in accordance with this Agreement, including the Subscription Terms. The Software is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Software." (Con't...) "All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Software and any and all copies thereof, are owned by Valve US and/or its or its affiliates’ licensors. All rights are reserved, except as expressly stated herein." Source: http://store.steampowered.c... I'm a huge fan of Doom. I was sad to hear about Carmack leaving id Software.
Valve hasn't been relevant to new amazing game experiences since Half Life 2 back in 2004. I would love to see them come back with Half Life 3 or an equivalent heavy hitter but until then you are kidding yourself if you believe Valve is moving the gaming experience forward.
That's beyond ignorant. The Left 4 Dead series had super good critical reception and was very successful. Same goes for Team Fortress 2, Portal, and most recently, Portal 2. (Portal 2 has a 95 on metacritic....that's the same score as the Last of Us that you guys hype to the moon). Nothing relevant?.. *shakes head* Have you been living under a rock all this time, or just so far up Sony's @ss that you forgot what the real world looks like?
Let's not forget all the games that are on Steam itself that they have personally saw to that work with a gamepad and are being coded to run on linux. (steamOS) Or the GIANT indie community that is there through steam greenlight. Or the fact no one knew what a true game sale was until Valve showed us the way back when they did their first ever Steam Summer Sale. Or that Valve was doing what Xboxlive/PSN was doing long before either other of the systems launched. Yeah, Valve has done nothing.
All of those games you listed are Half Life 2 mods. Not saying they aren't good but not Half Life good. They aren't Milestone masterpiece games that change they way we look at games Such as HL2. But obviously you won't even try to understand if you resort to personal attacks and making up things I didn't say. It shows desperation. No where did I mention Sony. JasonHenry Thanks for not needing to bash me or make up things that didn't happen. Yeah all that stuff you listed is great, but I'm talking about ----->GAMES<------ and more specifically, games by Valve themselves. For me, in the end, it's all about game quality. i can still enjoy playing retro games without Online multiplayer, Acheivments, friends list, live game streaming, or any of the modern conveniences we enjoy today. Why was Half Life 2 so amazing? because it was an amazing single player GAME. It doesn't need all the other stuff to lean on. And it will forever live on in gaming history as one of the best and most influential games ever and that my friend is what Valve needs to get back to doing. Making amazing games on a consistent basis.
Valve's potential for home entertainment is very welcoming.
I can't wait to try that new controller....
Same here. I cant understand anyone who isn't at least curious as to how it feels. Are people really that against something different existing?
I personally dont like the pad not to do with something differnt but trackballs are not my thing..
Valve have always been ahead of the game, next-gen consoles are only doing what Valves been doing for years and Steam still does it far better. To me, next-gen is virtual reality with the Oculus Rift, trust me, I had a dev kit, Oculus Rift is the future of gaming and the only true next-gen game in my eyes is Star Citizen experienced with the Oculus Rift and Steambox and PC will continue to push gaming forward.
Oculus will go the way of 3D, come and then go away then come back again and then go away again with only a few people with access. Sorry but if you want to look like a total douche then strap that thing to your head... mission accomplished.
You could say the same thing about Kinect. Waving your arms around like a douche and repeating words again and again when they voice recognition software doesn't understand what you said :P If the Oculus was gonna be on consoles too instead of just PC exclusive it'd be another matter :)
I'm not seeing Steam Machines getting traction in the mainstream market. Can anyone enlight me who will buy it? How are they going to deal with brand recognition competition has? No one outside of PC world knows what Steam is. Hell, even my mom knows what PlayStation and Xbox are. But Steam? She never even heard of it.
A lot of people laughed at both Sony and MS before they entered the console market. Pfft , they have no experience - how are they going to compete with the old guard? Then Atari and Sega got pretty much thrown aside. Almost everything Apple do there is a large group of doubters who claim it'll never sell. Usually including Steve Ballmer, most comically. :D I don't see how the Steam box is going to penetrate the market either, but I'm open to the possibility. The market is so much bigger and more varied now there's more space for different approaches than there ever has been.
It's a small PC, you can buy something like that since many uears.
Next-gen starts in another 7-10 years as we're just in a new-gen. Sorted.
Gaben... Shut up will ya? I don't need a Linux machine as I have a PC already to play STEAM games... Now stop messing around with this gimmick and get to work on HL3!
I said PC a well, but bringing Steamboxes/PCs to a consumer friendly level at an affordable price will greatly improve the PC market and push gaming forward and bring new levels of competition.
The affordable price ones will likely play games at a lower level than the bloody ps4 and xbox one... why? Because valves machinebis a mini pc-there wilk stilk be different versions running different types of hardware makes and models which need optimising for plus valve are less well placed to sell at a loss and will have far smaller rand d budgets.
There's a better chance that a revived Pippin will sell more than this. Steam isn't well known to the mainstream media. Btw, I hope this doesn't end up competitive directly with the Xbone, PS4 and Wii U. The console market is already busy expensive enough with three different consoles, we don't need another one.
The problem is that all 3 consoles are flawed in different ways. For a lot of peeps, there is no one size fits all to meet all your gaming needs.
As great as Valve is, im sorry but Next Gen already started. Hope Valve does well but it doesn't start when they say so. Its already begun with millions already enjoying it.
I love the way sony fanboys just make up their own definition of next gen just to suit their agenda lol
This coming from someone who thinks that Super Mario 3d World is a 'next-gen' game. And because we're talking facts we're Sony fanboys? It's very simple: Next-gen fully started yesterday (all consoles release by then).
Super Mario 3D World is a next generation game as it's on the WiiU. Next gen has nothing to do with graphics or performance but is called that because it is the next generation of consoles. Are you going to call your son, daughter or grandchildren next gen as well just because they were born after you?
You're not talking facts, EXVirtual, you guys are talking nonsense as usual. Super Mario 3D Wold is a next gen game just as much as any of your precious PS4 games. It's on a next gen console. Graphics are not what define something as a next gen game. If that were the case, none of the PS4 games could be considered next gen because none of them look as good as games on PC. He's completely right about the way you guys just constantly move the goalposts to make it seem like everything else loses and PS4 is the best.
nice job wasting your bubble
Unless there is a steambox that costs $400 and can natively run games with the same visual fidelity as the PS4, Sony does not have to worry about competition from Valve. And even if Valve could release a $400 box with the same performance as a PS4, could they guarantee that developers will be making games specifically optimized for the exact hardware in their box for at least the next 7+ years? Look, if any company can make PC gaming as mass market as console gaming it is probably Valve, but they have a LONG way to go.
There are alot more PC gamers than console gamers you know. PC gaming is a different beast because it is TRUE backwards compatablity. We still have consumers who buy those very old games and still enjoy because of the sales.
Good point but how many of those are going to buy this if they already have a gaming rig. this is directed at the console gamers, valve knows they have the pc gamers but they want to get into the console business, even if they say its dying last gen consoles got past the 70 million or more sales and you cant ignore all those potential sales.
How is there more pc gamers if steam just announced that they have 50millions steam accounts? Pc gaming is smaller then you think... It's just every nerd that has a gamming rig has a strong opinion on a gaming site, gives it a illusion of being a bigger community... Have fun with your pc in your parents basement...
@ Skippy. How did you come to the conclusion that PC gamers live with their parents basements wow, and who is to say you have to be a nerd to be playing PC gaming. 50 million steam accounts is alot , plus you forgot things like battle.net and origin and also the whole slew of DRM free games. It's more like the other way around... console gamers are smaller than you think VS PC gaming. Lets take 80 million consoles from either PS/Xbox how many of those are repeat purchases.
@SkippyPaccino There is a lot more to PC gaming than just Steam. There are many other different ways to get games and different services to use. Last year PC gaming software sales alone generated 20 billion dollars in revenue, which is much larger than any single console. The whole industry, including home consoles, PCs, handhelds, tablets, and smarphones, generated around 65 billion. SO you can see what a huge slice of the pie the PC alone is responsible for. A lot more people game on the PC than YOU realize. Valve is now after the casual folk that usually game on consoles.
Excuse me? No. Next-gen starts whenever it does. It's not based off what Valve says.
Gabe knows best, Valve is so perfection.
Lol. Yet they haven't come out with any games that come to even half the greatness of Half Life 2. I was big into Valve back in those days but have since ditched them and PC gaming because there's nothing new and exciting going on. It's just multi platform games and MMOs. who cares.
Gabe knows best, valvegods.
PC gaming will always be ahead of consoles just because the hardware is always evolving vs consoles who have a fixed hardware performance specs. The thing with consoles that make it sell is honestly ONLY the exclusives. If your a gamer like myself who tries to play on all platforms you will see this. I maybe labeled as a PC gamer (because I do have preference for PC gaming because you can just DO SO MUCH MORE vs consoles) I see this every generation of consoles, the console ONLY players gloat and gloat and saying consoels are the most powerful blah blah blah, but when the console releases its only on part with a mid range type of gaming PC. It's funny how console gamers Always bring in the idea of well consoles have exclusive games like PC gamers DON't. Yes I am buying the consoles for the exclusives but every generation I feel the need that I am waiting for games regardless of the platform. By the time there is like 5+games that I want in a console its already 2>3 years have passed and the console starts showing signs of their limitations. It is not just the fact we are waiting on games all the time, but we come up with the excuse "developers need time to learn the console" to make a better looking game.
I game on both consoles and PC and i agree, Sure when it comes to optimization, ease of use, and local MP. There's really nothing else that consoles has over PC. regardless of optimization games still run and play better on the PC and who knows what MANTLE will do which is suppose to bring the same optimization on consoles to PC. PC is harder but not that hard, and I don't really go over to peoples houses to play mp games with them anymore. graphics, online MP, more controller options, MODS, better online communities, backwards compatibility, more games, STEAM, Emulators for all retro consoles, Consoles have their place In gaming. I started out on consoles gaming before I was pc gaming. i love gaming on consoles, and I plan on getting a PS4 either by next years end or march when infamous 3 comes out. But when you put pc and consoles side by side it's hard to choose consoles.
"consoles who have a fixed hardware performance specs" . . that is console's biggest advantage over PC. $400 for 7+ years of games optimized for your exact hardware.
Not really, consoles tend to start failing around the 4>5 year mark and you have to buy new console. Though luckily I have only replaced 1 ps3. Games sales on PC's are really discounted when it comes to sales, not on consoles. The advantage of PC is I can keep my old discounted games and move it onto my next computer :) Good example is Half Life 2. I played it my old PC years back, and now I reinstalled it on my new PC which runs better.
Its also the gaming industries downfall as nothing moves forwards technology wise. It's more or less a tech blackhole till the next consoles are released in 7-10 years time.
Go F**K yourself Valve. NEXT GEN IS HERE!!!
It's fair to say that there's a subtle difference between next gen consoles and next gen gaming. Now whether Valve's Steambox will change PC gaming to next gen (in format terms) is rather up in the air till we see whats actually being offered and how it's all put together.
Lol at Valve most overrated dev next to Rockstar North Bunch of naive people making statements 4 hits
Valve still has more cred than Rockstar. We KNOW Valve has potential, but just chooses not to make games while Rockstars quality has been going down since GTA San Andreas.
does valve know how much it cost to invest in the console business.
Its called current gen since all the consoles released.