A well documented piece that relays a possible scenario where Nintendo could help Microsoft do the impossible, outsell Sony in Japan. A long read but lots of links to facts and a very interesting topic.
man M'S hasn't beat PS1 ,PS2
over $220 million sold
xbox - xbox 360 ? 30 million ? thats a long way to go keep dreaming xbox
I don't like what if articles, b/c anybody can say anything they want in a what if senario.
ps3fan(boy) is still a joke.
How many have died or are on the scrap heap? How well did the higest grossing game on the PS platform do compared to Halo 2?
We're talking about the Japan market.. Erm.. I think a very slim chance. The problem is that if a game can sell 100,000 consoles (as it did on the 360), think of how many games will be coming on the Sony platform that'll sell 200,000 consoles? I'm sure for the Japanese market, there are heaps..
did you guys even read the article? anyways you both must not be very big history buffs, cuz in case you didnt notice every empire falls sooner or later.... now just might be sony's time to die.
empire? Microsoft's the true empire. sure, Sony's the dominate force in videogames, but it's other divisions (electronics, computers, movies, music etc) share in the likes of equal competition with Samsung, HP, Fox etc. Microsoft are a complete monopoly in the computer OS industry; they have been for the past two decades. the only reason they entered into the videogame industry is because they saw Sony as a threat in that sector. if there is any empire in this business it's Microsoft, not Sony.
did i ever say MS wasnt? that still doesnt change the fact that sony is.... and MS still seems to be going pretty stong, sony however... not so much.
It would be nice to see Sony reign come to an end in Japan! Everything here sounds realistic and possible if developers really want to make money! Really I wonder how big XNA will turn out and how it will change the face of gaming in the future! I read somewhere that MS opened is opening up a couple of university's just for people that want to study and understand XNA for future development!
only time will tell
But only time will tell. I think Sony needs a game that will out hype and out sell Halo1,2,3. With out that they are a COLD PICE OF S#!T.
Sony has had games that have outsold Halo 1 and 2, just not games that have out hyped them. And how does Halo affect the Japanese market?
Yah! i agree!, a lot of pro's are saying if Sony doesn't come with something big(like Halo) it's going to be hard to compete with only brand loyalty. If they don't come out with a game with Halo sized Hype/appeal Nintendo will crush Sony and MS will gain unaceptable ground for an American company in Japan.
Microsoft will definitely gain ground in Japan with high quality games that have massive appeal like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, but Sony already has brands with Halo like followings in Japan (Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Metal Gear) and so does Nintendo (I don't really feel the need to enumerate them, we all know what they are). It's not like Sony or Nintendo will have a lack of these huge franchises, as it was Microsoft's lack of them that held them down in Japan, along with a paltry and oftentimes sporadic flow of games that appealed to the Japanese consumers. Those factors seem to be slowly changing for the better at the moment, so Microsoft should be able to mount some respectable sales in Japan.
finally , was always wondering why MS supported nintendo so strongly.
If you cant be bothered to read this long article basically, this is why - There are two things that are very likely to happen -
Because of massive wii production and very limted PS3 production, wii will own PS3 in japan in the short term.
Because of launching a year later, 360 has owned PS3 in the rest of the world in the short term.
with the rising cost of game development, its looking very unlikely in the short term anyone will want to make exclusives for a console that:
has no major install base anywhere globally?
Its like that game show 'the weakest link' - sneakily vote of the strongest players early so you only have to deal with weak opponents in the final -
MS ARE AFRAID OF SONY. AND
SONY ARE AFRAID OF MS
BUT NO ONES AFRAID OF NINTENDO
because they are the weakest link - goodbye
What in my post are you responding too?
Before you started insulting Sony you said the article does 'recap every thing we know already as gamers' True. it does,
But its also explains why MS keep telling everytone to buy a wii, which no one really understood.
why? Because if wii kicks PS3 butt in japan THIS year (something 360 cant do.) and 360 kicks PS3 butt in the rest of the world (that it can do)
article - ' developing graphically intensive games exclusively for the PS3 may simply be financial suicide '
No developer wants to spend millions on a great game that takes full advantage of PS3 hardware, just on PS3 if console numbers a very low globally, theres just no decent return on that.
I just re-read my first comment, sounded like i was insulting you, i wasnt, sorry dude.
im just saying 6 months from now the possible situation could be,
xbox- 15m sold and $100 price drop
PS3 - 4m sold, still $600
Other japanese developers see how much money capcom is making on dead rising, lost planet, and see how profitable 360 exclusives can be.
"The PS3 has more peak performance on there...it gives it more theoretical power, but what is going to matter is what you wind up delivering on the game, and I do think that Sony made a less optimal decision than Microsoft from the perspective of the game developer." He later states, "Developers are essentially forced to sweat blood to go ahead and take advantage of the cell [chip on the PS3] because it is the dominant platform."
and the EU isnt including the devs are missing allot of money for the first 10 months and thats just bad!
i think it really sucks for the DEvs.
“My impression is, for PS3 Sony is aiming for a very high level. I’m not sure if everyone can live up to that high standard that Sony is expecting. So if everyone is expected to meet that high level, I am not sure that every creator, every publisher will be able to meet these high expectations. For Xbox 360, it’s a little bit more down to earth, more realistic so people maybe can join easily to start creating on the 360.”
now i dont hate the Ps3, i just think sony did made a machine thats just not ready for this time, devs suddenly must make a huge step in programming on a difficult level.
PS3 will not fail, it will be a big pain in the *ss for the devs, i do not think PS3 is going to have the amount of games Wii or xbox360 is going to get.
its expensive and hard.
"because they are the weakest link - goodbye "
dude open your eyes, nintendo is going to sell massive.
Anyone who thinks this is possible, should be hung. This will never happen, so all of you brainwashed americans get over it.
now I know why you only have one bubble left, because you are an idiot. Would love to hear a reply but to bad you can't
of waiting for a full year to get anything good they like.
we'll find out soon enough about the ps3
and the one thing that hits me though is what i've been talking about."THAT DIFFERENCE THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE".just like xbox compared to ps2,people saw a difference that made you want to pick up an xbox.i know i did besides games that were not on ps2.people are going to see a difference and pick it up.the games will look as good or better than 360 when the developer pushes the ps3,but have more things going on simultaneously(bigger levels,more enemies,more interaction,higher framrates and resolution).it's not to say the 360 is not a great system.but if launch games are doing this,what are second gen and on going to be doing compared to 360?because the system has been out a year already.people point to gears,but so far,all you see is great graphics,but no interaction accept canned destruction of couches while walls are untouched from gun shots.and at best 8 people on screen. but 4vs4 multiplayer that still equals 8.not saying ps3 will win this time or that developers would even waste their time making"THAT DIFFERENCE".BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THERE.and it's just the beginning....of course the burnout team could make up that difference.i still like the team even though i still hate EA for destroying a great football series(nfl 2k)...among other things...
There was video they showed of someone playing GOW and they showed us how the guns made different holes in the wall and how some went completley through it unlike any game before! Also the PS3 is not showing an edge at all and none of there games are worth bragging about! Motostorm looks good but don't fool yourself into thinking that MS isn't working on something to counter it that will look 10 times better! Im sorry but PS3 is not as good as you people make it out to be! 360 is the only way to go for those that have common sense this holiday season!
It won't happen.
that's a fact.and 4 players against 4 players on a next gen system is weak.epic sacrificed A LOT just for GRAPHICS.and it's been a year already,what awsome game are we waiting for?is halo 3 going to have great graphics but six players on screen?then multiplayer will be 3 on 3?it won't matter in asian countries how good the game is because most don't like shooters.so they had better be making at least 5 rpgs a year.
360 doesn't have to take over Japan! As long as Developers keep delivering fantastic game experiences that's really all that matters! Who ever wins this console war I don't care either just as long as XBOX Live keeps getting better and 360 games keep pushing developers to try harder and keep coming out with aaa games! I also hope the best for PS3 because if I ever get bored with my 360 and can simply buy a PS3 and fill in the void until my games start to come out again! Dam'n it feels good to be a gamer!
That's the most envyous comment i'v every heard. Never heard such retarded sheeeit sense i started posting on this site last NOV. When did players on screen become important to a consoles worth considering it might be a dev's choice.
Keep it up, never knew GoW had you people so envyous. GoW's just the start, so stop before you have a mental breakdown.
i'm not going to even buy it.i've seen that type of gameplay in killswitch.it's all hype.it should be a good game,but it's all GRAPHICS over gameplay.there will be games on ps3 that will be graphics over gameplay.i've played games for too long to be fooled by graphics.this is supposed to be next gen systems.so where is the innovation? the graphics?please.you can rely on graphics as a hook for so long and then it better have something killer when you pick up the controller.but all this won't matter because again,japanese don't like shooters.the only thing i see happening is microsoft eating away at sony's market share in america and europe.but without japan and other asian countries,they will lose again.guaranteed.because sony sold at most 20+ million systems in each territory.i don't care what people say about japanese gaming shrinking.they will be snapping up ps3s and wiis.more so with nintendo because it's new and innovative.even if it's a gamecube repackaged.
o now its a hype? dude.......you didnt even played it so your opinion is false.
im not defending GOW but i mean comeón telling its a hype: gfx over gameplay.........you didnt even played it!!!!
but then again i too go for gameplay and not gfx .........but gow seem to have a bit of both.
but im getting a xbox360 when halo comes out, fack gow for now ^^
Very good read. I agree with some of the other posts on here...Nintendo is being overlooked, but they have the potential to really make this "console war" interesting. With all of PS3's launch titles some of which look very good..(Resistance:FOM and Genji to name a few) none of them can compete with the Juggernaut that is Legend of Zelda. Legend of Zelda is almost guaranteed to not only sell Wii consoles..but a 90% tie-in ration with Wii sales. Also since a few regions are no longer getting Zelda on gamecube...those gamers will buy a Wii just for Zelda alone. No game on PS3 or Xbox360 this holiday season is revered as much as the legend of zelda. So Nintendo being number one in Japan (at least for short term) is almost guaranteed to happen..just by numbers alone. Factor in Zelda and wallet friendly price-point...and you have hit! Blue Dragon's release in Japan this Dec. will be the turning point in MS sales in Japan. If this game does as well at it looks like it's going too then expect to see more support from the japanese game developers. In the past couple of months..Msoft has announced 3-5 more japanese-style RPG's with more being announced seemiling every month or so. So increased sales/interest for X360 in japan is now a reality. Can they take number 2 in Japan? Probably not but it is a possibility in the short term at least. X360 getting more games that used to be PS3 exclusive...also very possible...because PS3 will not do developers any favors this holiday season...just like X360 didn't last year. Former exclusive titles now being multiplatform is a trend that just started this year...expect to see it even more in the coming year. So while it is unlikely that everything will transpire exactly as the article dictates, it's very possible that something similiar to this can happen. Nintendo becoming number 1 in japan this holiday...guarantee(assuming no complications at launchs). Ps3 will most likely be second at end of holiday....but all depends on Blue Dragon's performance.
"that's a fact.and 4 players against 4 players on a next gen system is weak"
Why Because R:FoM Said it will have 40?
Well since you never played Halo or any other good FPS Games.
4v4 is perfect in everyway. I won't even go in into details cause your not worth it. In every FPS shoot games You cannot have Big ass Maps with 4v4. and if you play any FPS games you will know that in a Medium Set map 4 player is more than enough. Elongation,Sanctuary,Warlock, Lockout, Ivory Tower, Foundation need i say more.
Oh yeah did mention how Much Warp time there might possibly be setting up a 40v40 game on a Busted a online service.
it's bad if there's a clear winner of the console war anyway. Without the PS3 the 360 has no real competition (i'm leaving ou the wii as it's more of a good/fun games console rather than a powerfull hardcore machine). And without competition the games will reduce in quality. Anyway it's fun to have system rivalry, the fanboys are a nuissence but the gamer who thinks makes the whole thing enjoyable. Think of football, if there was one team that dominated all the rest and always won (fans will know which team i mean) there would be no fun in watching the match.
Lets face it, any Microsoft console won't win the 'battle' in Japan for a while owing to fanbase period. I think they should stop trying to dominate the market and just gain an equal share, in the long run that's what will bring in more money.
Uh off topic, but someone please point me to an article that says that GOW's gameplay is not untuitive, innovative, or flat out awesome? Every article I have read states that the gameplay is awesome, it's unbelievable fun, the multiplayer rocks, and than they say, oh yea and the Graphics are drop dead gorgeous...so I'm sorry let's read all the reviews tomorrow, and than I will give you my OWN opinion on Wednesday when I am playing it and your all still watching RFOM videos for the next 3 months
Not off topic and point taken...I have yet to see a bad review hands on or just screen shots. That is heady rare Halo type atmosphere
for any game. Like you, this is a day one purchase for me.
Japan isn't the center of the gaming world anymore. They are 3rd in game consoles sold and games bought. USA is first, Europe is second. Its good that MS is paying attention to the Japanese market. And by the end of this year MS will easily sell 250k in Japan. But what really matters is Worldwide sales. And 15 million by May is HUGE. Nintendo or Sony can't and won't be first worldwide PERIOD.
I see 15 million for MS
4 million for Sony
5 million for Nintendo
All by May of 2007.
With that big of a lead, the great games and content will keep coming to the 360. And the lead will grow as more developers milk the much larger install base with fantastic games. And as of now the 360 has much more exclusive games than Sony and Nintendo. That list will only grow with the lead they have built. WOW. Thanks Microsoft.
And it is all Blu-ray's fault that Nintendo is in a good position to become the dominant console in Japan because of PS3 shortages for the immediate future.
However, Sony might well be in a position to continue paying big money to developers to make exclusives for PS3, and if they can sustain such losses, they might still be able to hold their ground in the long term.
were to be won by Mircosoft, although very unlikely, they would have to establish new exclusive japanese franchises and keep them running long to get good japanese attention, do some very aggressive advertising, make japanese people forget that the company behind it is a foreign company.
if they were to do this they would have a chance against Nintendo and Sony but highly unlikly to dominate the markte there
That Master Cheif looks like RoboCop with a green suit on and a dirt bike helmet what kind of a retarded character is that? and further more japanese gamers are not familiar with Microsoft at all cause the only thing there familiar about Microsoft is when they failed with the first Xbox
and 2nd Microsoft can't monopolize the computer industry cause they would just get sued alot for that and lose alot of money for it and they know that and it doesn't matter what RPG games the 360 has the PS3 will just top that RPG game and Microsoft will still lose knowing thats the only thing there good at is losing.
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