In final shareholder speech, Ballmer defends Bing and Xbox as key parts of Microsoft
"Ballmer defends Bing and Xbox" Is that because of the rumor that the new boss is looking to dump the gaming division?
Probably. Seems like the rumor's gaining more and more traction.
Yep, he is seeing the billions lost. Thus why so many over years have went under. Or out of the console side and more software support for them.
"Ballmer defends Bing and Xbox" Is that why he was asked to leave? Keep in mind, he's done with the company. He's made his fortune. Now he simply wants to preserve his reputation and his legacy. Bing and Xbox were the two biggest projects on his watch (including a bunch of smaller, failed projects) and he doesn't want to go down in history as the man who brought financial ruin to Microsoft. The clock is ticking for the Xbox brand. Xbox One is going to be their last "videogame console". The next Xbox will be an "entertainment hub" and won't be advertised towards gamers. X1 is the intermediate step.
I hope they hire that guy that wanted to sell Xbox division
Balmer does make a lot of great points and it is clear that their are a lot of talented people working for Microsoft who are dedicated to video games and understands why it is such an important demographic. The problem is that the people in power at Microsoft doesn't have the focus dedicated on a vision needed to capitalize on this golden opportunity. Look at the Xbox division, Julie Larson Green takes over and rather than running that division being her main focus it is just one of the many things she is put in charge of for Microsoft. All of the big statements coming out of that division was being said by Marc Whiddeon before Albert Penello took up the mantle of PR. The whole thing seems out of place when you have Sony and Nintendo key executives and heads of the company making direct statements to the public and making the big announcements. It really does feel like if Microsoft's Xbox division is successful it will be in spite of Microsoft and because of the amazing momentum and groundwork laid down by the core Xbox 360 team before Microsoft got rid of them. The whole situation is just unstable, I just hope they figure it all out soon because Xbox One users deserve a unified company that understand what gamers want. Microsoft certainly isn't hurting in the area of talented people I just hope they listen to them.
@Cleft Many people who got the Xbox brand where it is left on their own ago around the time they started to shift the 360 away from gaming and towards TV apps and Kinect. In the case of Larson Green, she shouldn`t oversee the Xbox division in any form. They need to get people on board that know games and gamers, not having those people there got them into the mess the Xbox one is being more designed as a multimedia hub for TV and multitasking rather than a games console.
Pretty much. Ballmer's is the guy who gave the Xbox another chance (as far as I am aware they were going to dump it after the first one except for the intervention of people, mainly Ballmer, who said they shouldn't). Also Bing was Ballmer's idea to try and take on Google (one of the dumbest moves he did as it took a lot of money and resources for very little gain. Some claim the rise of Apple is down to Microsoft focusing on the wrong company, I. E. Google, and reacting too late to Apple's rise) These are basically Ballmer's babies
Many of the products MS has released are reactionary as opposed to trend setting. And its funny how they get flak for trying to be competitive. It like the main reason zune failed wasnt because it was MS. it failed because it wasnt an ipod. in fact, many companies that were trying to get a share of the portable media market suffered the same fate. sony, Archos, Creative labs all had products that exceeded the ipod but they werent....ipod so the majority of consumers that were in the market wanted what their friends had which was....an ipod. bing, in respect to google, does the same job and rewards the searcher with points they can redeem towards products/services. i use bing all the time and have traded in several hundred points towards entries to win an XB1 as well as real $$ for my live account. i may not win the XB1 but hey....free points just for doing basic searches is not bad. plus i have never gotten a bing redirect virus like i have the google redirect virus.
How can one defend Bing? Their big feature is it has a changing picture on the main page. Finding what you want works a lot better with Google if you compare the search results for the same things on both.
It is really important fpr the xbox one launch to go perfectly. If they screw it up the brand might end up being sold.
I think it would be good if they sold it. Imagine if xbox was sold to a company that actually could make a good console.
I hope you have a happy retirement Ballmer
Bye Ballmer, good riddance Bing and...
Bing has to go
I hope not, I use Bing and trade the points I get for searches for one month of Xbox Live, every month. Plus, I prefer the speed and accuracy over Google
So you're pretty much bribed into using that awful search engine?
Microsoft misled facts saying people prefer Bing over Google. Source: http://www.networkworld.com...
Hicken, I was already using it when I found out about the points. What's awful about it? I switched because I got better results out of it, and it offers a better UI than Google. Also, I don't get spam/popups related to what I was recently searching on Bing like I was with Google.
They aren't going to get rid of the division, they haven't even decided who's replacing him, stop spreading lies because your failure 4 sucks ass, Everything you said was lies, research a bit kids
Actually, the old CEO of Nokia is the one who is talking about getting rid of the division, and getting rid of Bing. And it seems like he is a strong contender for the position. How about you do a little research before you run your mouth and automatically default to shitting on the PS4?
He never mentioned the PS4...? Edit: Oh I see. He forgot the PS, not the 4. I thought he said you were a lame for not sucking ass.
So much anger between these rabbit fanboys and bias links presented as "facts". Cant we all just get along?
Especially since Microsoft came in first last Gen, they want to stay in first, they have a bigger fanbase than Sony plus xbox live is Galaxys ahead of psn.
hem.. xbox was last in the console war last gen.. and the gen before that one.. and probably this one aswell...
"bigger fanbase then Sony" BUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH http://rickpdx.files.wordpr...
Well have to admit they have taken a huge chunk away from Sony's fan base
@true no, we don't *have* to admit anything.
i dont agree, sony gave MS that chunk of its fanbase... to many mistakes during the launch of the ps3... with RROD i just dont see how they won that many buyers.. but sony fucked up pretty badly back then and its obvious because of how many xbox 360 owners are cmoing back to playstation without looking back a sec..
How's the weather on Bizarro World?
Opinion shouldn't be treated as fact :/
You won't be missed
I don't think it would be wise for them to dump Bing and Xbox. Bing, while not as widely used as Google, is still a very good search engine, and is gaining ground. I'm not saying it will replace Google any time soon, but it's progressing and will most likely be profitable in the long run. As for the Xbox brand, it's more than just a console, it's a brand, and a very well known one too in Europe and North America. It's Microsoft's best bet to be an integral part of the living room; giving up on Xbox is giving up on the living room altogether, and that's one place where Microsoft has an edge against its real competitors (pro tip, it's not Sony), Apple and Google, as the Xbox One is a much more complete solution than either Google TV or Apple TV. If all the rumours going around about Microsoft dumping Windows Phone, Surface, Xbox and Bing are true, Microsoft will be giving up on ever being relevant in any sphere other than home computing and their (very profitable) business offerings. I think it would be a waste, mostly when you consider they have put so much money in these projects, and most of them are probably close to finally being profitable. Competition is a good thing, and in a few areas, Microsoft is the only real competition to whoever is the leader. Take out the Xbox one, and you only have two consoles competing. Take out Bing, and well, unless everyone goes back to Yahoo!, Google will be without competition. Take away Windows Phone, and it's only Android vs iPhone.
Probably close to finally being profitable? Surface has sold a small fraction of the tablet market, incredibly small, they are hoping to reach 1% market share by 2014. Real competitive. Windows phone currently has 2.3% of market share. As opposed to android which is carrying 81.9% and Apple which is carrying 12.1% I don't have any figures handy for xbox and bing, but you get where I'm going. Microsoft is hardly the only "real competition" for whoever is leader. And they hardly have any grasp on the living room right now. What do they have going for them right now other than the TV gimmick? (Which requires a STB from a cable provider to work mind you)
Surface isn't likely to become profitable, I'll give you that. As for Windows Phone, I'm pretty sure it can be in a few years at most. WP has been making gains in the smartphone market, and, you don't need a super high percentage of the smartphone market to be profitable. As you stated, Apple only has 12.1% of the market, yet is making a killing. As for Xbox, the Xbox 360 has sold about as many units as the PS3 worldwide, mostly in some European countries and North America, making the Xbox brand highly valuable for Microsoft if they intend to get a hold of the North American living rooms. As for bing, as far as we can tell, it is the number two search engine, with around 18-23% (depending on sources) of the market, with Google being at around 67-71%. And, it continues to grow, slowly, but growth nonetheless. And, believe it or not, the Xbox One will sell in the North American market. I'm not saying it will outsell the PS4, but it will sell millions of units, likely even outselling the Xbox 360. The Xbox One is their best bet at getting in living rooms. Microsoft is a huge corporation, which has pros and cons, one of the pros is that they can afford to lose money for some years on some products with the hope of turning a profit after a few years. Getting rid of Bing and Xbox would, in my opinion, be a short sighted decision by whoever is the next CEO.
STK026, It's astute, well-written comments like the two you just wrote that keep me reading the comment section of N4G, and I thank you for that.
Keep Kinect, MS. I want Kinect in non-game settings. I want voice automated coffee makers, computers, and vehicles like Kitt on Knight Rider. I want facial recognition and motion sensing doors and virtual reality robot drone mechs. :-)
Facetiousness aside, it's because of tech like this being pushed to perfection by companies like Microsoft that we will have those things in the near future; The kind of future that I dreamed of as a kid, thirty some-odd years ago.
I don't get why people don't like Ballmer. He's such a kind gent. He once called me and all of the other millions and millions of Android users "computer scientists"! Such an idiot...I mean, flatterer. MS should be happy to do away with him.
Because he gives compliments you dont like him? Odd standards. Seems more like a jealous thing or small p.p. syndrome on your part.
It's called sarcasm, sir. Ballmer said that you have to be a computer scientist to understand Android, and yet somehow android users top Windows phone users by about 10x and people don't seem to have the slightest issue working it. Ballmer is downright delusional.
This talk of spinning of Xbox is one of the silliest things I've ever heard. The Xbox One is an opportunity for MS to leverage all of their services into a single consumer product AND use advances in gaming to develop there products for use in other sectors. Did you see the Xbox One Bing demonstration? It put Google Now's voice recognition and search results to shame. Xbox Live compute and what it's done for Forza's AI system could be a marketing tool for MS' azure cloud. They've brought Skype and SkyDrive into the living room. And they've managed to wrestle some of our attention away from out smart devices... Or atleast convinced us to split our attention. I can't believe someone in that couple would thing its a good idea to back away from this now.
Ballmer really does love Microsoft and I dig how he's always been very passionate about it. He's made some flaws, but I think, in many ways, Ballmer has laid key groundwork for the future CEO to build and thrive on. Bing is slowly gaining ground and turning profits now, their windows phone division is seeing 100%+ yoy increases in sales, the next xbox is going to set a record compared to the xbox 360's launch sales, the azure cloud services are quickly gaining traction against amazon, office 365 has been a massive success, and Ballmer's plan for a "one" microsoft is becoming reality. With all of that said, I honestly don't see how anyone can categorize Ballmer as a failed CEO. He wasn't perfect, but he delivered yoy record revenues and profits for the company while growing in key areas for the future. Happy retirement, Steve.
Jumping ship before XB1 launch day! What's up with that?
He isn't. This was just his final speech to the company's shareholders. He remains on as CEO until the board decides on his successor, which might not be until early next year.
Many large corporations choose to cycle through CEOs in order to keep the ideas fresh and relevant, otherwise we end up with old, out of touch people with over inflated egos trying to simply keep profits high enough to satisfy shareholders. Disney practices this same philosophy, and you can look back and see slumps in quality when a CEO has stayed in place too long(I'm looking at you, Michael Eisner).
Seems to me Microsoft made billions in profit so how is Ballmer a failure?
He isn't. Many journalists just like to think so mainly because microsoft failed to capitalize early on in the smartphone industry, giving their competition an immensely successful and early head-start. But, with windows phone seeing significant (100+%) yoy increases in sales, I imagine the future is bright for microsoft's phone os/hardware division.
100% increase from 2 is 4. If the number is already minimal it hardly means its picking up significant steam. Steam yes, but a significant amount? ehh.
@IAmSovereign Actually, windows phone sales, just from Nokia's lumia handsets, totaled about 9 million last quarter, closing in fast on apple's 30 million handsets in the same quarter. If you take into account all of the manufacturers of windows phones, the total should come around to 10.5-11 million. That isn't shabby at all when compared to the iphone's 30 million shipments. Now, if you ask me, windows phone numbers have come a long way from their induction not a long time ago. I expect to see that number increase yoy and even more significantly next year with the introduction of windows phone 8.1 which will introduce some much-needed feature sets that many consumers have been wanting for quite some time from windows phones.
Developers, developers, developers, developers
MS will do fine with or without bing and xbox. Sony is the one depending on games and we all know they aren't doing so well. http://www.pushsquare.com/n...
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