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Submitted by ShadyDevil 817d ago | article

PlayStation 4′s Airflow Affected By Horizontal and Vertical Positioning

JPS Writes: "Whenever someone buys their new console like the PlayStation 4, many are wondering if there’s really a preferred way of positioning the console. Is horizontal, which is the default position, any better than standing it up vertically?

Just like the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3, the recently released PlayStation 4 is designed to go both ways: horizontally and vertically. When it comes to deciding which one is the best, it really all comes down to your personal preference. However, there are pros and cons in each of the position that you need to worry about. The same rule still applies on the positioning just like on other consoles." (PS4)

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Chuk5  +   817d ago
Horizontal, always.
AlexanderNevermind  +   817d ago | Well said

" There’s currently a design flaw on the PlayStation 4 right now. If you decide to put it in horizontal position, you will notice that it doesn’t stay flat enough on the table or on your entertainment set. "

Ok, I've had the system for 3 days now and it hasn't wobbled once. Seriously, who is pushing on the top of their PS4 to make it wobble? Or better yet show me some footage of it wobbling without someone pushing on top of it.
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Stsonic  +   817d ago
Well said.
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HammadTheBeast  +   817d ago
Not sure how you'd make it wobble...

I think you'd have to press pretty hard to make it wobble, it's the slightest design flaw.
IRNMUNKEY  +   817d ago
Hmm if horizontal not recommended then it should come with the stand. Think you're getting yourself confused.

Only thing I've heard is that Xbox One is only horizontal.

Edit: comment I replied to was deleted! Someone said Sony had stated that horizontal wasn't recommended
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xHeavYx  +   817d ago | Funny
Wait, what? You are not supposed to press down the side of the console down while you play? I've been doing it since the PSX! /s
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cr33ping_death  +   817d ago
What! It wobbles!? Now i want my money back... My PS4 plays my games just fine....but if my console wobbles.....well thats a deal breaker now isnt it. Seriously? so nitpicking has come down to wobbling? Lol.
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imt558  +   817d ago
I expect more anti PS4 news. Let's see.... Another news : Blu-ray won't come out

I knew that will be bunch of news which described faulty PS4 console after PS4 launch
HAC522  +   817d ago
agreed, but i just keep thinkin, whose idea was it to put one set of pads on the edge, and the other set in the middle/3/4 mark? i just dont understand, this never should have been an "issue" to begin with
kneon  +   817d ago

It's obviously a deliberate design decision and not a design flaw. By having the HDD cantilevered out from the rest of the console it will help to dampen vibrations.
ZBlacktt  +   817d ago
LOL, I know... what is up with these Internet screen name stories. Do they not realize over 1 million people have these very same consoles? I've put 30 hours into AC4 in the very short time I've had the system. In other words, not a single issues in performance.

I lay the machine horizontal btw. With out the stand it's not worth the risk of anything happening. Since the console is SO slim ( Damn nice ).
dkgshiz  +   817d ago
Yep, its all just hog wash. Then there was that really fake rumor about the dualshock 4's analog sticks rubber ripping apart after a week. Its all malarkey and BS. I have my PS4 horizontal right now and no matter how hard I try I can't wobble it. Most likely someone put a tiny pebble or something underneath it and posted a a crap video about how it wobbles.
PSN-JeRzYzFyNeSt  +   817d ago
mine doesn't wobble at all. only when you push it down on one side which i don't do… so it doesn't wobble.
Who  +   817d ago
Unless you're sitting on your PS4, this is not an issue.
nirwanda  +   817d ago
Av magazines usually recommend blutack to stop any movement and vibration, it may help with disk read speeds too and help the hdd.
Soldierone  +   817d ago
You have to press hard on the back corner to make it wobble. it was the first thing I test, at first I just set my hand on it, and was like "wth it doesn't wobble!" then I pressed down and went "oh.... really??"

I have my PS3 sitting on top of it and it didn't move at all when I did that.....
inveni0  +   817d ago
Mine is horizontal, and it's got no wobble at all. Maybe this person's table is crooked.
KyoSiegfried86  +   817d ago
Yes.. please, stop this wooble nonsense.
Everyone that thinks it woobles, watch this and feel stupid...
XxGHOSTxX-420  +   817d ago
It's not like it affects games play or the way the system works. Mine wobbles if I push down on it but it doesn't bother me I never push down on my console anyway.
tawak  +   817d ago
Ghost pushing ps4 to wobble, or have someone wobble it while you play. so I guess its a cons according to the review.
Anarki  +   816d ago
I always stood my PS1 up on its side too. Solely because it always had issues reading discs and shoving it on its side dropped the lens closer to the disc and it seemed to read it properly. lol good ol' ps1
zero_gamer  +   816d ago
Mine doesn't wobble. It's as sturdy as it should be.
BG11579  +   816d ago
This is actually a big issue in Japan with all those earthquakes and all.
No wonder it's been released later over there. ^^

@AlexanderNevermind bubble up for well said.
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Dee_91  +   816d ago
My PS3 wobbles when theres crumbs or something under i threw it away
DeadlyFire  +   816d ago
Wobbly or not. Has common sense forgotten that its easy to level out things even so.
CuddlyREDRUM  +   816d ago
That is what I was thinking, there was some IGN video or something saying to put Post It notes underneath the left side of the console.

Why? That is the most ghetto thing I have ever seen.
shadow_lawless  +   816d ago
aren't you supposed to use the official stand if you ant to put it on its side??
neocores  +   816d ago
0.0 first it was failing system now its wobbleing 0.0 wow the fanboys are strong. its like say What if i drop this xbone from a 15th floor building and see if it breaks
indysurfn  +   816d ago
I'm looking at my xbox360 it has vents that will get blocked if I lay it on the side OR stand it up. It is meant to have vents no matter which way you lay it. Obviously if you lay it or stand it you will be blocking one of the sets of vents. The I would bet Microsoft paid for this article since they do not have vertical ability, which means they will only have one set of vents. Only a box that has just one position will not have a vent blocked.
BattleTorn  +   816d ago
Does a Teeter Totter or Seesaw have to be "teetering" or moving to be defined as such?


Therefore, console doesn't need to be "wobbling" to be defined as "wobbly."

Quit defending a terrible oversight with circumstances like 'who pushes down on their console'

// right, we only level-off items that are design to withstand presure - levelling a electronic BOX is simpy a waste of resourse /s //

Did you seriously compare having a console sit flat and stable on a flat surface to DROPPING A CONSOLE FROM A 15THFLOOR???!!TOTALLY THE SAME THING, RIGHT!?
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Funantic1  +   817d ago
I'm debating is it better to turn my PS4 off completely or put it on standby. It seems like turning it off completely would help it stay cooler and perhaps last longer. I'm concerned just because of these articles and I saw a few technicians take a few PS4s apart on YouTube. One guy claimed that the thermal paste on the PS4 was cheap and already hard and wouldn't last for more than a year. Then another guy showed that the heatsink had no clamps for air tight heat dissipation. These guys talked like Sony cut corners.
thekhurg  +   817d ago
Standby is what I've been using since I unboxed it. Hardly anything is running hard enough to generate the amount of heat required to damage anything.

Also, don't just assume the claims people make on youtube are accurate. A lot of people just like to make controversial claims and wild accusations to draw in hits and generate fear.
xHeavYx  +   816d ago
First of all, don't believe crazy claims. That said, I've always disconnected the main power cord after I'm finished playing
cyclindk  +   817d ago | Funny
I keep mine on a on a 75 degree tilt, like this = /

And when I get my second one I will orient them like so, = /\
Shuyin  +   817d ago
SpitFireAce85  +   817d ago
That made me laugh bubbles man...:)
SilentNegotiator  +   817d ago
It makes sense. You put it vertical and the heat keeps getting soaked up into higher and higher parts of the hardware (because heat rises).

Vertical and the heat goes through less parts.
SilentNegotiator  +   816d ago
Obviously I meant "horizontal" in the last sentence.
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re2_apocalypse  +   817d ago
I prefer my consoles vertical. I remember having my PS2 when I was 16; and it (kinda) died within a 1-2 years. I placed it vertical and it lasted a little bit longer. Then I finally replaced it, and I still have that PS2. It's an old system, and not the greatest but still works when I do use it. Never looked back on having them vertical if possible
TBONEJF  +   817d ago
always leave your game console FLAT ON IT'S BELLY not on it's side PEOPLE
theDECAY  +   816d ago
AHHHHH! Why??????
popup  +   816d ago
If you kick it, it moves around the floor. tut, another obvious flaw.
WitWolfy  +   816d ago
LOL funny
Mister_Dawg  +   816d ago
Horizontal action is always more fun :-)
Sitdown  +   817d ago
Diagonal Mitches!
PoSTedUP  +   817d ago
i like verticle but often switch. judging by the thermal images, the ps4 should be placed upside-down if in the verticle position. the hottest part was at the bottom; you want that area as high a possible in the system escaping right out the top through vents. having it at the bottom allows all that heat to pass through the systems parts (because heat rises, duh), as well as build up, and is a lot more wear 'n tear on the system.
PoSTedUP  +   817d ago
this is only if you choose to have it in the verticle* position, obviously it is better to have it horizontally bc it runs cooler. also only if it has vents on both sides to let the heat escape out of the bottom (that is now flipped upside-down as the top, again only in the verticle* position). that is, if it IS the heat that is killing them in the verticle poition. that, we do not know yet. but it would be simple physics to let the heat escape out of the place closest to the top through vents and not to let it build up through all of the systems parts b4 it escapes.
LordMaim  +   816d ago
PoSTedUP  +   816d ago
LOL, i kno right... wtf was i smoking º_º
ANIALATOR136  +   817d ago
horizontal on a cold laminate floor is good
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DeadMansHand  +   817d ago
Yup one thing most people do is put it above a TV. Wrong. Heat from the TV (and if you have a plasma its a lot) goes right up into the base of the system. I keep mine under the TV on a piece of finished wood so its up off the carpet but below my TV. I also hate hot rooms so my apartment is never over 55 degrees. That helps.
slivery  +   817d ago
70 is cool, 60 is cold but below 55.. Are you serious or was that just a typo? Did you mean never goes over 75? Even in old peoples homes I have never seen the air set that low maybe around 60's but never below that..
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kcuthbertson  +   816d ago
Most people put it above their TV?

I've literally never seen ANYONE put anything above their TV besides a wii sensor bar or PS/Xbox camera..
DeadMansHand  +   816d ago
At yes I meant 65. Blasted phone. And I don't mean sitting a console on top of a TV literally I mean a lot of folks have the square entertainment center with the TV on bottom and they place the system above on shelf or over to the side but still high up. I have a friend who does this and it drives me nuts.
MrKingofVideoGames  +   816d ago
I started using a 12 x 12 marble tile under my PS3 after I had to pay to get it fixed a few years ago. So, on Friday I stopped at Home Depot and dropped 4 bucks on another tile for my new PS4. Marble stays cool and fits well beneath both consoles. Plus, you can get any color to match your shelf.
Monolith  +   816d ago
That's a cool Idea
01animeking  +   817d ago
horizontal i dont want tip my console by accident and f it up
BX81  +   817d ago
Never cared for vertical, just in case it falls.
crinale  +   817d ago
I'm waiting for third party vertical stand that allows you to let air in from the bottom as well.
DestinyHeroDoomlord  +   817d ago
(Claws head) where have I seen this before?
mushroomwig  +   817d ago
'Takes a lot space'

God, people will complain over anything. The console is smaller than launch consoles have ever been and people still whine.
Baka-akaB  +   817d ago
Seriously if you dont have the space for it , you dont for even a small PC monitor or a cable box . There is space , just arrange your stuff with any console in mind
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admiralvic  +   816d ago
Not that it matters, but the Wii u is much smaller in all respects and I can post proof of it.
Baka-akaB  +   817d ago
Anyway i've never seen any pros to the vertical position for any console . The chances of it falling down or being thrown down by kids , cats , dogs , clumsy and/or drunk people , far outweight any so called "style" and space saving .

And there has never been cooling benefits to have it stand vertically
KAEM7  +   816d ago
In my experience there are benefits for sure. All my playstations got extra mileage by standing them up and with the first playstation even putting it upside down! the ps1 ps2 and the ps3 fat all could get a 'lazy' disc reading laser. Putting it vertical or even upsidedown helped with disc reading. The newer models (ps3slim) don't seem to have this issue so maybe it doesn't matter for the sp4.

Telltale signs that your playstation is having trouble reading discs are longer loading times and 're-reading' sounds.
MrBuffalo  +   817d ago
I hope what postedup said isn't true and the best way is to have it upside down. It'll be like the ps1 glory days then when a quick fix for the CD player was to flip the machine. Got a place ready and waiting on a clean glass shelf for mine when it arrives on the 29th.
HumanAfterAll  +   817d ago
See I always hear about people putting it vertically because sure it looks cool, but I have had nothing but problems with standing consoles. I remember when I had my original 360 before the slims came out and It would scratch my discs when it ran. Ruined a brand new game in about 1 and a half minutes. My Ps3 sometimes wouldn't read the discs when it stood vertically.

I really don't get why anyone would play a console while it stands upright. It just creates problems. Maybe not for all, but for me it sure did. Vertically seems to really be to show off how oil a console looks I think.

All my consoles including my PS4 lay horizontally. with that, I've never had problems.
KimoNoir  +   817d ago
Well... Whoever wrote this shit... Enjoy your games in 720p.
BattleTorn  +   816d ago
Wow. You can't even read criticism in pro&con form without going into full fanboy mode?

Don't worry, no one is calling your purchase inferior, OK.
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KimoNoir  +   811d ago
Nope. I have both and i play pc most of the time.
blackout  +   817d ago
WOW Sony is getting the SH!T kicked out of them right now. OMG. Good luck with those PS4s people. My GameStop has 33 Ps4s that where returned. When i asked the sales person why they would not answer. Sorry guys.
mushroomwig  +   817d ago
Judging by your comment history it's pretty safe to say you're not being truthful in the slightest.
DeadMansHand  +   817d ago
appreciate the sentiment! Mine is working great! Its so awesome having a next gen console and playing games that look fantastic. I will admit I lost my whole Saturday having to download all the free games off plus. :-(
Redlogic  +   817d ago
Mine too works like a charm, loving Assasins Creed Black Flag and NBA 2k14!
PERK7NS  +   817d ago
My local GameStop had 1 million returned!

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Robdeagle  +   817d ago
That's odd mine did too.
LordMaim  +   816d ago
What's your Gamestop's location so I can phone them, because obviously they have EVERY BROKEN PS4 IN AMERICA.
PERK7NS  +   816d ago
They aren't taking calls at the minute they had a sony phone and that broke too! ............
LordMaim  +   816d ago
@PERK7NS: Not to mention the long distance charges to Madeupistan would be crippling.
the worst  +   817d ago
Vertical all day
YipMan86  +   817d ago
Missclicked and have 2 comments now. :/
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Pascalini  +   817d ago
Sony should not of released this year

Ms are smart

Sony tried to push to hard and this is what happens
Angels3785  +   817d ago
I know they totally shouldn't have....that way their record for fastest selling console (therefore most demand) would never have happened and you could sleep at night.
alexkoepp  +   816d ago
Only reason it was fastest selling console was that they planned to have the supply. I preordered a 360 late and waited 3 months to get my console.

Had other systems had the stock I'm sure others would have done PS4 numbers or likely better.
MRMagoo123  +   816d ago
Sony must hate having the world record for most sales in 24hrs huh lol, and it didnt even release world wide imagine adding the day one sales from the 29th release too, it will be in the millions for launch.
DestinyHeroDoomlord  +   816d ago
Look a 1 bubble troll
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YipMan86  +   817d ago
This guy does not provide any prove that the PS4 is cooler when placed horizontally.

Thermal images can be seen on this site:

It shows that the PS4 does generate less heat when placed vertically.

Edit: Nvm, This site has updated thermal images and shows that it is 8°F cooler when placed horizontally.
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xiren187  +   817d ago
That article lost its accuracy as soon as they placed the PS4 on the entertainment shelf.

PS4 in enclosed space = less air circulation = the heat doesn't dissipates quickly enough = intake vents get the warm air instead of cool air from room temperature = tends to get warmer.

PS4 in vertical position in open space = warm air coming out from the console dissipates rather quickly = gets cool air instead of warm air from enclosed space...

How about they do the test in an open space rather than open vs enclosed space.
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Akuma2K  +   817d ago
Horizontal on my gaming stand.
DivineAssault  +   817d ago
ppl are desperate to find something wrong now.. Mine doesnt wobble at all.. Had no performance issues either
swishersweets20031  +   817d ago
mine neither, no wobble or over heating issues laying it flat.
DivineAssault  +   816d ago
I know some consoles are bound to have some problems with their initial launch but some of this crap i see online has to be some butt hurt M$ lovers trying to hate on PS4 cuz they know its the best home console ever made.. It really doesnt matter though, NOTHING will stop this baby from staying as the #1 machine on the market..

I wish more ppl would get a vita though.. Its a great handheld alone but with the PS4 app, its just FN amazing.. Im very happy with both systems & we havent even seen what their capable of yet.. Im sure when more PSV & PS4 games release, its going to be great.. Even the phone app is cool cuz it can be used as a 2nd screen if devs want to use it
BattleTorn  +   816d ago
It will never wobble on its' own.

It's just a (ridiculous, yet minor) oversight that no one made it stable on a flat surface.

It's akin to buying a microwave that happens to have only 3-leg supports.

Are you ever going to be worried that your Microwave can wobble? No. Will it on it's own? No.

Is whoever the person who chose to only place 3-leg a moron? yes.

We're talking about tiny bumps of plastic, the effort it would've require to avoiding this flaw would've been limited to discovering it.

And just so everyone is clear (not that that will ever happen) - it doesn't have to wobble to be defined as wobbly. Anything with a fulcrum point is "wobbly." PS4 indeed has a "fulcrum point."
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feraldrgn  +   817d ago
Stealth troll, or pointless article?
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iceman600  +   817d ago
this is what happens when you buy inferior hardware.
Angels3785  +   817d ago
Tzuno  +   817d ago
is affected by the stupid positioning of the power brick that's inside. go ahead watch a ps4 teared apart video to see. Oh...Cerny Cerny Cerny.
MrSwankSinatra  +   817d ago
cerny wasn't the design architect he was the system architect. learn the difference before opening your mouth.
KontryBoy706  +   817d ago
No need to stand it vertically. Horizontal always. I believe 90% of the 360s RROD was due to people standing it vertically. I owned a 360 Elite and never stood it upright and never had a problem. I didn't stand my PS2 OR PS3 up and I have no intentions of standing my PS4 up either
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GeckoPutt  +   816d ago
"No need to stand it vertically"? What about those who's entertainment centres only have room enough to allow them to be stood vertically such as mine?
KontryBoy706  +   816d ago
good luck
Jac5al  +   817d ago
I have mine set horizontally. Played it for 13 hours straight yesterday, never got hot, stayed warm.
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twdll  +   817d ago
People People People... In case you have forgotten there is a warranty with this product. I even got an extended warranty from Squaretrade for 45 bucks for 3 years. If I have problems I will just have it replaced with a newer version. Win... Win.
As far as wobbling goes, yes it will ever so slightly wobble if you press down on the left front corner, but I do not normally press down on the console.... EVER.
Also, as far as heating, mine has remained very quiet and very slightly warm with no problems whatsoever. Got mine from BB.
swishersweets20031  +   817d ago
i lay mine flat and it doesnt wobble or have problems. i must be one of the lucky people.
Lookbehind  +   817d ago
That's a plain troll article if I ever seen one.Ps4 is probably gonna do 2 million by next Friday:)
Silly gameAr  +   817d ago
These articles are getting pretty ridiculous now.
level 360  +   817d ago
Lay it flat is the best position for PS4. Afterwards buy or look in your household any of those small rounded rubber grab-holders and put them underneath the outer edges of your PS4 to elevate it and stop from scratches.

Would be good to have a small inexpensive fan and direct it on the back for added air flow - don't even think of getting any of those expensively hyped intercoolers like from Nyko and others if they ever come out because those simply don't work and could actually cause more heat by blocking hot air coming out from the back of your consoles.
Ben12  +   817d ago
I hang mine from 2 bungie cords that are 5' off the ground. Every now and then I will tug on the ps4 console. This creates a bouncing motion that intern creates good airflow threw the ps4 console. I have not had any issues what so ever.
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