Iron Galaxy CEO Dave Lang talks about how the differences between the two resolutions is a red herring.
'When asked if there was much noticeable difference between 1080p/60 FPs and 720p/60 FPS, Lang stated that, “No, I think it’s pretty much a red herring. Most people wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.' There is a difference. A HUGE difference. Wow! Devs are downplaying the difference between 1080p and 720p. The same devs who were b*tching and complaining about power restraints on current gen. I understand the fact that launch games don't display the full power of any console, but the PS4 is more powerful than the XBO. It's that simple. We have proof in the form of real world performance.
So sick and tired of people of saying there is hardly any difference. 1080p looks crystal clear compared to 720p. 1920x1080 >>> 1280x720, you cant argue with math, sorry. Trust me, the people who say there isn't much difference will feel pretty silly when they see 1080p for themselves. Don't any of you people watch blu rays? So i guess there isn't much difference between 480p and 720p either, right? Lets ask the PC gamers who have been gaming at 1080p for years if there isn't much difference, see what they think.
Where are all the stealth disagreers hiding? If 1080p wasn't better than 720p why even add it as an option!? Why are full 1080p TV's more expensive than 720p TV's!? Why are PC gamers playing games in 2k - 4k resolutions!? Why have developers complained this entire generation due to fact of this generation machines not having enough power and the resolution to showcase their talent!? Need I say more? There is a difference, and it has been a focus of discussion this entire generation.
I always find it's the same morons that recon an upscaled DVD looks as good as a bluray.
cant say which console is more powerful; says the most ridiculous things in defense of the weaker console... Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight *Dr. Evil voice*
The people/devs who say there is no noticeable difference between 720p & 1080p are not to be trusted, simple as that! I'll be staying away from this dev in future.
I have a 16:10 monitor on my PC and I prefer those dimensions to a 1080p 16:9. A higher pixel height just looks better to me. I must say though that my monitor is only 22" and sometimes I will play via HDMI on my TV which is 46".
Well Said Lukas! Completely agree with you. 480p is a massive leap, just like the leap between 720p to 1080p. Also people can see it for themselfs, just change your resolution on your PC, go to 720p to 1080p (if it can) you WILL see a difference.
Hello. PC gamer here! Yes, there is absolutely a huge difference between 720p and 1080p - it's no contest. These are just multi-plat developers trying to save face with both companies. Smart, but a little disingenuous. For example, I have a 24" monitor, and a gtx 680. When playing Borderlands 2, for some reason the default settings were 720p when I was in the pre-game menus. Before checking the resolution, I was thinking, "wow, this doesn't look very impressive to me, I don't know where all the hype was coming from?" Then I found the settings and changed it to 1080p... And it was just... so beautiful :'} HUGE, irrefutable difference. And btw, compressed YouTube videos will do NO justice whatsoever. You have to see it rendered on a MONITOR in front of you to really appreciate it! (*differences confirmed*)
Yea I mean I love 1080p on my PS4 but even that is slightly disappointing after having a 1440p (80% more res of 1080p) monitor on my PC for the past 6 months. Even thinking that the 720p and 1080p difference is marginal is freaking dumb. I was actually thinking about picking up divekick for my Vita. Now I've made my decision.
Yeah...no difference at all... http://snapsort.com/learn/m... How does stretching and blowing up the light blue box to fit the screen not look any different compare to the light green box that is already full pixel? That's what kills me when people say there's no difference. It's literally twice the difference...lol
1080v720 only didn't matter last gen when ps3 fbs were defending the ps3 against pc master racers, now 1080vs 720 is an extremely valid argument because the ps4 is currently showing that it can do it. If the ps4 couldn't hold 1080p for most games then the argument wouldn't matter at all and it would be dev's fault, and $400 would be a bargain that you couldn't find a pc that could do the same etc. The only thing that matters is that "such sony much -ps4, dat grateness" facts and opinions alike are formulated and embellished around "dat sonyps4ps4unchartedkzcellemoti onenginersxjaguargreatness" ; anything else is absolutely crushed ;) but only on n4g. The rest of the world/net seems evenly balanced, if not slightly swayed in favor of sony this time around. cause it IS more powerful. but that's not my point lol. I exist outside of ps vs xbox argument, so I don't really care either way, but its funny to see how things that didn't matter all of a sudden matter because of who has what. 1080p is FAR superior to 720p end of story, its 1.5 times the resolution, but back in the day there was no way to convince any sony side consoler that that mattered at all. but now...NOW lol 1080P>720P who cares, that is the question...
So sad to see sellouts and PR reps trying to spin this into a positive. Do they really think people are this gullible? Maybe if they say it enough they too will believe it to be so. Basic description of 1080p: HDTV (1080p) - This is the ultimate high definition format, with 1080 x 1920 pixel resolution and progressive scanning. Producing 44% more pixels than it's 720p counterpart. Dave Lang, you were saying?
Yeh in totally sick kf the people who actually make the games telling us how little difference it makes hahah ;). People couldn't even tell the difference in cod on ps4/Xbox one for the most part and had to wait for IW confirmation. Last gen wii won the war as the weakest console and MS crushed in multi plat but all you heard was Wahhhhhh who cares from Sony fans, now this gen it's all specs and multiplayer. Pick a mindset and stay consistent folks.
I find it funny that people think it is a big difference. If you have to talk about what distance you have to be at to see it, the vast majority cannot tell. Remember all the "I can't really tell difference between DVD and blu-ray"? Point being, even with photorealism many cannot tell difference between 480p and 1080p, let alone 720p and 1080p. That said, if resolution was that important wouldn't you all just go to PC for the best resolution, graphics and frame rate? That said, I think the Xbox One will catch up. Easy to develop for means less room to grow.
lol this is funny coming from a dev working on a ps4 game who doesn't think there's really a difference. I actually think he's wrong and also right at the same time, there is a difference that anyone who follows games and reads comparisons to look for differences WILL NOTICE but he is 100% correct if what he means is that the other 95% of gamers who will buy either console then its true most won't notice the difference. SCENARIO: Dad takes son to gamestop sees COD Ghost running on a ps4 display unit, son wants Ghosts to play on Live with his friends, Dad buys son the game, son goes home plays Ghost with friends and never says, "damm this doesn't look like the COD Ghosts on display at gamestop." Hell remove the labels run them side by side and I bet a significant portion on n4g who claim to be so hard core would get it wrong. That said for us the 5-10% all over gaming forums yes there is a difference and its important because we want to know that we are getting the best in terms of visuals and performance but then this developer is right again because it is indeed early and we will see 1080p going forward mostly, aside maybe from a few future gigantic open world games, with tons of things going on. I really don't know why people are so concerned when both have 1080p games at launch, logic says like every other gen that will only increase, I mean yeah if you were expecting 4k and launch games were barely hitting 1080p then yeah OK I'd wonder if we're going to meet that standard, but you could say ps4 would be closer to that lol, however neither is going to do 4k games.
I said it before and I'll say it again. If pixel count is be-all-end-all deciding factor, then why aren't PS4 fanboys playing on PCs? Maybe because there are other important factors that makes gaming important and pixel counts isn't on top of that list. Personally for me having a superior online (dedicated servers) experiences is way more important than pixel counting.
"If pixel count is be-all-end-all deciding factor" Why is that trite argument rearing it's head , like a last ditch save everytime ? Most sane people never claimed it's the end all and even the focus on consoles . But there is a clearcut difference in that aspect that's all . All that "you wont notice the difference" posturing wont change that , and as soon as people of any side admits that yes 720p is not the same , we'll be able to move on and discuss more important matter . There is a difference , it's just not the most important thing ever in console gaming , and pretending it's not there is only making it stay in the spotlight . With that kind of behavior , we'd all still be stuck on arguing about "Aladdin being better animated on genesis than on snes" , instead of enjoying our games , when the truth is quite clear .
I find it funny that here is a Ps4 dev saying resolution doesn\t matter much, and so on. I guess in thsi case, there can\t be any bias, being a Ps4 dev, uh? I think this statement holds so much weight, because if the dev was biased, he would have been biased in favor of Ps4, not Xbox one, being a Ps4 dev!!! The vast majority cannot tell the difference between 720p and 1080p and that is a fact!
do you people not know that the 720p games are upscaled to 1080p that is why there is not much difference, its easy to tell on a pc because there are numerous settings to choose from. Theres no point in comparing a PC to a console its stupid. PS4 and Xbone are going to be very hard to separate, either way there both gonna be alot of fun and new so fuck up and play em
People aren't really arguing that one is or isn't factually clearer than the other. The argument comes from how a big a difference there is despite the numbers, and whether or not you can tell. There may be actual numbers involved, but that doesn't remove the inevitable degree of subjectivity. Where one persons says there's a drastic difference, others may see a negligible difference whereas others still may see no difference at all. Results vary by individual, and that is where the core of the debate lies - What does it matter if one mathematically superior than the other, if you can't even tell? To a degree, there is mental thing going on. Your brain sees "1080p" or in this case "PS4" or "next-gen" and it is automatically assuming "superior quality." You are subconsciously leading yourself to the results you want to see. It's like those skits on TV where they bring in people to a high-end restaurant and ask if they want to try expensive imported waters from around the globe, and afterwards they go on about how good they are and the differences in taste, whereas others didn't really see a difference between them, and the whole time the glasses were all the same old tap water.
I sure hope a game like divekick is 1080p on Xbox One. Otherwise, I'd have some serious question. o_O
Get a life
Lol. Well said!
You're cool, posting on a gaming forum, telling other people to get a life because you have absolutely nothing worth reading to contribute. Feel tough now? Feel cool? "I CAN'T PROVE U WRONG SO I'LL TELL U TO GET A LIFE INSTEAD LOLZ"
Incapable of having a mature discussion about resolution and console differences. Resorts to saying "get a life". But i guess having a discussion about facts would be pretty one sided....
A week from now, I wont be doing free pr for xbox. Do any of you actually play videogames? Isn't greatness sitting unattended by your tv?
@ malokevi "Do any of you actually play videogames? Isn't greatness sitting unattended by your tv?" Im from the UK so i have to wait until the 29th. And if you must know, PS4 has had me so excited for the past few months that i haven't felt like playing anything apart from GTA5 ( and even that i don't play much). I just want my PS4, nothing else is cutting it.
Malokevi will be back under his bridge in a week...Ha free pr you mean trolling.Hey weren't you pretending you were getting a PS4.I know I know you bought one but it bricked right.Just another day here on N4Xbox.
I have to wait for christmas, my gorlfriend is using it as a footstool. So many assumptions, making an ass out of so many ppl! But thanks 4 remembering me =) I dont even recognize you. I guess greatness isnt so great, for so many psboyz to be furiously defending their now released console! When I get my sweet lover next week, you sure wont see me here! Why? Cause I actually play videogames =P @lukus Same here. GtaV and bf3 are all I can bring myself to play. Though, I'm finding it harder and harder to pick those up as launch day approaches...
Why of course I remember you malokevi,why won't I.There are three kinds of trolls the one will always remember.Really funny ones who are able make others laugh.Ones who bring a educated and well thought out point of view.And ones like you.
uhh... what? I counted four, lol.
@lukas "Im from the UK so i have to wait until the 29th. And if you must know, PS4 has had me so excited for the past few months that i haven't felt like playing anything apart from GTA5 ( and even that i don't play much). I just want my PS4, nothing else is cutting it." exactly the same with me cept in Australia, i dont wanna play anything till i get my ps4 lol nothing is good enough knowing whats coming.
They're trying to play the neutral card, even if it makes them laughably stupid. Anyone that can't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p is either in denial that their preferred console was a waste, or legitimately has vision problems.
"or legitimately has vision problems." Lmao, this. It's not even like there is a slight difference.....its BLATANTLY noticeable.....like going from VHS to DVD. 720p = Jaggy and blurry. 1080p= Sharp as a butchers knife.
Lower resolution in itself doesn't make a console a waste. Look at the 3DS; 240p and lots of great games. I'm no apologist and as a part-PC gamer fully recognize the differences of resolutions and framerates, but I don't get why this debate is so heated. 720p, in all honestly, looks fine. Not nearly as good as 1080p, but it's perfectly presentable. What really matters is the quality of the game libraries. If I thought resolution was such an important part of enjoying games, I'd only play PC which has better resolutions than 1080p. Compared to framerate, resolution only subtly improves gameplay in games and almost only in those that use very large distances like Battlefield and very crowded effects like Resogun. Any further enjoyment will be because of the visuals on their own merits. I'm not downplaying the fact that 1080p looks much better, but you can live without it and perfectly enjoy a game. If anyone wants to chalk me up as an X1 fanboy, know that I have no intention of buying the console for several reasons.
@Blacklash93 Of course, but you don't expect to pay $500 to stay at 720p...... I played games at 720p 30fps for years on last gen and loved them,but that was last gen.......
@Lukas If the X1 ends up having a better library than PS4, then I would definitely not blame someone for choosing it over PS4. Some of my favorite games use pixel art and/or exist on sub-SD consoles. The PS2 was the weakest of its generation and was still the best platform. Ultimately and without question, the quality of the fundamental game designs, and collective libraries of them on the platform, are what matter and not that of image quality. I know many will, and should, agree with this. The thing is, consoles are all pathetic standalone devices. Given that, I cannot fathom why people get this passionate about them because it is by all means arguing about which bottom of the barrel is better. Even the PS4, so far, is looking to be forced to have to choose between full 1080p and 60FPS. My PC's lower-mid range build from over 3 years ago can easily do both. Consoles are a platform investment to play games; nothing more warrants their purchase over an average quality (and much cheaper) multimedia device.
The more I hear this the more I laugh because if there wasn't any above minor difference between 720p & 1080p then we wouldn't have 1080p movies, monitors, TVs, etc. It makes for a clearer, shaper & more pleasing image. Just like you can tell the difference between 30fps & 60fps majority of people will be able to tell the difference between 720p & 1080p. When I first saw PS4 BF4 gameplay on gamespot's player I could tell the difference in fact my eyes took a bit to adjust to it. Just like I can tell the difference between a 720p movie & a 1080p one. Both are equally important & no one will tell me otherwise. Unfortunately we don't get to pick between the two on consoles as devs choose that doing development but when one console has quite an advantage in res I don't see why the media & some devs choose to downplay it.
There is a differece between 720 and 1080 p, visual differemce isn't huge. It however does require quit a lot more hardware resources. Ofcourse it also depends on the size and viewing distance of the television.
I have watched Blu-Ray for years and I know their is a huge difference between 720p and 1080p, I hate watching movies on Sky in 720p because I would rather get the same movies on Blu-Ray. I was excited to see the consoles reach 1080p because I bought a 2013 LED TV in 42 inch for next-gen, but watching the X1 v PS4 comparison videos of Ghosts and BF4 they almost look identical. Their are differences yes, but nothing that blows 720p out of the water.
That's because both versions of CoD are 720p at the moment.....and BF4 is 900p on PS4, not 1080p. But there still is some difference....download the direct feed footage from Eurogamer and its clear the X1 has more jaggies, but both maintain 60fps quite well so its all good. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
@Lukas, not to mention Youtube compresses the crap out of everything.
There's a difference, but holy crap the reaction to these resolution differences is what I would have expected if the ps4 was displaying in 4K resolution and the xbone in 420... Really. 1080P is great but I don't see how 720P is a deal breaker, or even worth the amount of ridiculous attention it has been getting. I'm much more interested in seeing how superior the later ps4 exclusives will be to anything that can be done on the Xbox one.
360 x 2 = ? Either way Next Gen is here.
True that: " Resolution affects potential for better visuals, but it doesn't instantly make a game look better. You could easily make a 720p game that looks better than a 1080p game if you spend enough time on the effects. That same game would look better at 1080p if the system can handle it, but that doesn't mean 1080p instantly makes a game look better. No. You're better off maxing out effects at a lower resolution than cranking up the resolution and having the game look bland or have performance issues.
It is closer to say that there "can be" a big difference, rather than flat out saying there "is" a difference. Claims that there is a clear difference between the 2 resolutions, isn't completely true. There are factors that play a part in the difference or benefit people will get from 1080p vs 720p, such as screen resolution, screen size and distance from the screen. To be able to detect differences between resolutions, the screen must be large enough and you must sit close enough. Another factor that almost always never gets mentioned, is whether or not the person has 20/20 vision, since can also play a factor. Also you would actually need a TV capable of 1080p resolution, but that goes without saying. Here is a link to an article that explains when and if 1080p actually makes a difference - http://carltonbale.com/1080... Here is a pic of the "distance vs screen size chart" in the article - http://s3.carltonbale.com/r... There is a tool at the end of the article, that lets you put in your TV's screen size and calculate the effective distance before benefits start becoming visible. For instance, for a 50" screen (a size I see mentioned a lot)) you would need to sit 10' away or closer to benefit from 720p, and 7' or closer to benefit from 1090p. I know a lot of people sit more than 7" away from their TV, regardless of screen size. As the article says: "If you are a videophile with a properly setup viewing room, you should definitely be able to notice the resolution enhancement that 1080p brings. However, if you are an average consumer with a flat panel on the far wall of your family room, you are not likely to be close enough to notice any advantage." One final thought is this. The debate over 720p vs 1080p when speaking about X1 vs PS4, isn't entirely accurate to begin with, since we aren't actually comparing 720p to 1080p. We are comparing 1080p upscaled to 1080p native.
i've made my decision so me and my ps4 have no worries with this issue
you don't have any real world proof because you don't have a real world Xbox one that's been tested against a real world ps4. so your claims will wait until both have been thoroughly broken down,examined, and tested in the real world. paper specs aren't everything and anonymous devs don't count (I say that because they aren't foolish enough to say anything about the console ahead of schedule because of that binding contract that forbids them to do so). but Nov 22 will soon be here and we will no longer have to speculate and assume things that we really don't have a real world clue about. and with all that said, GAME ON WITH WHATEVER SYSTEM YOU SPEND YOUR HARD EARNED DOLLARS ON :-)
U stood next to a 720 screen next to a 1080 screen recently? I doubt it. The difference is nion unnoticeable from one another if u are anymore than 1.5 metres away. The eye cant pick up the difference at that distance. Goes to show how petty this whole argument has become, people arguing over things where no-one can honestly tell the difference. I have to wonder though if we put xb1 cod next to ps4 cod and didn't tell which is which and see who thinks they look the same or different. Answer? Its been done to stop the fanboyism, if they aren't told which is which they cant tell u which platform its running on.
It's not that most people can't tell the difference, it's that most people don't care. If you only have one system, and that system is 720p, you won't have anything to compare it to. Then again, 720 upscaled to 1080p does make it harder for people to be able to tell the difference.
Your all forgetting that this is a business. I'm getting an xbox one, but look if they say the 720p version of their game looks like crap compared to the 1080p version.....they will sell less copies. They want people to think that both versions are good so people buy both versions, simple business.
IF you think about it, the xbox one is the PERFECT 720p machine. It can run any game 720p at 60 fps. But with the way it was designed, there are to many bottlenecks created when in 1080p. And as of now, the only games that are 1080p, are sports games and forza. And you can't pretend like 1080p isn't more than double 720p
Well, we see what we see, and it's already happening. So far, not a single 720p PS4 game.
I think Metal Gear Solid V is 720p.
Kojima said they are "aiming" for 1080p 60fps. We will see.
Realistically, I think we'll see a lot of graphically intense big budget games run at 1080p @ 30FPS+ or at sub 1080p @ 60fps. Games that run at 1080p @ 60fps will still look good but the games that don't have to trim stuff to achieve 60fps will look better.
BF4 is not 1080p. You could argue it's the dev's fault for botching the game, but that doesn't change anything.
Is this a joke? If there was no clear difference we wouldn't be discussing it. Jesus man. Damage control on steroids. Your competition smashes records and you're touting 720p as on par with 1080p? That's just sad. Its not too early. The machine is what it puts out. If it puts out native 720p then that's what it is. Why confuse people?
Competition? You do know that Divekick is a Sony console exclusive... right?
I have Divekick on Vita but I read the article and see they are trying to get the game on Xbox One. Damage control Selling out Call it whatever, but the idea that ppl cannot tell the difference is just a lie. Its vastly different. Its noticeable and clearer.
Lol. Anand Shimpi, AnandTech( reputed tech site) For the first time the guts of both the Xbox and PlayStation are very similar - their processor and memory hardware vary in performance but not capabilities. Gone are the days when Sony's machine was substantially more difficult to program for than Microsoft's. In fact, the PlayStation 4 has appreciably "MORE GRAPHICS HORSEPOWER" under its hood than the Xbox One, THERE's NO WAY AROUND THAT FACT". Both firms have licensed the same GPU (graphics processing unit) architecture, but Sony's chip has 1152 "cores" compared to Microsoft's 768. Microsoft runs its cores at a slightly higher speed, but the maths works out to Sony having about a "40%" peak potential graphics performance advantage. People thinking there is no power difference are misterx's minions lol.
Perception, once initially established, is a hard thing to change.
That is one of the truest sentences ive ever read on any website in my entire life, seriously. Bubbs for well said. Humans and their mental stubbornness, *tut* *tut*.
These people who say they can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p need to get their eyes checked out. Just like colour blindness, these people don't know they have it until they take a test for it. In this case it's 1080p blindness or green goggles better known as moneyhattinintittis.
"moneyhattinintittis.&quo t; Rofl. So true bro. When xbox fans see ps4 rendering 1080p while they are stuck at 720p, what happens next is illustrated in this pic Http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-F...
Even on a windows desktop you can easily tell the difference between the two resolutions . Those claiming it's unoticeable are just refusing to see it or in full PR mode . Is it the main deciding factor ? Maybe not , but it's a pretty clear difference
launch games at 720p and its x86 pc architecture i really do see a problem....