Bungie's David Dague and Eric Osborne have further commented on the potential disparity between the current-generation versions of “Destiny” when compared to the next-generation iterations.
As long as the next-gen versions have parity thats all I care about.
Better if they focus on the more powerful hardware and have their vision come true instead of going for parity. If weaker consoles can't handle it, then gimp those versions as there is obviously no other option. If you're doing as much as you can for each console, then there will be nothing to explain, except "we did what we could for each platform." If they really did their job, it will always show. There is absolutely no reason for sacrificing quality. If another camp ends up butthurt, blame the hardware you chose.
Then Bungie should have designed Destiny for PC not for the paltry and inferior next generation console of PS4 and Xbox One!
Designing a mmo type fps for PC would be a disaster having all these horrible PCs in the mix lagging up the game and the multiplayer.
And what would the more powerful console be able to do that the other one couldn't? Because so far we have seen nothing in each gen that separated the consoles besides a minor graphical difference. We haven't seen a new unique exclusive design, a better AI or anything. Both controllers have the exact same amount of buttons so what possibly could the more powerful system do. Some folks keeps screaming, take advantage of the full power of the console. But what exactly does that entail? It seems all people mean by that is a graphic bump.
Agreed.. parity should take a back seat next to developers fully realizing their vision. If one of the consoles suffers from that, well then that's their problem for the hardware. However having said this, With Destiny being online orientated or online only (not 100% sure) it could very well prove interesting to see if the "power of the cloud" really does make a difference.
This "everyone is equal" mentality that people have these days is a plague on progress. Face it, one console is stronger than the other. It didn't stop the XBOX or GameCube from having better looking games than the PS2, but the games library was larger and developer support was so much greater on PS2 in the end. Graphical disparity didn't matter. Now that the PS4 is the easier to develop for console, Sony will have the developer support of their first / second party, AND the superior versions of third party games. That is not fanboy drivel, that is a fact.
@ XboxFun: Well, we can't see what the other could do better if they're going for parity. That's the point.
So @ Xboxfun... You are all for parity also then I presume? What if there was some cool ground breaking feature using Kinect that Bungie left out for "parity"? How would that make you feel? You'd probably feel the same as PS4 players if Bungie chose to go with parity instead of taking advantage of PS4 hardware (ex. resolution & graphical bump)
i'm sorry, but this "have their vision come true" crap is nonsense. are the PS4 and XB1 different in power? sure. are they vastly different enough to where one console can help a developer reach their vision and the other one can't? what, is the developer's vision to have slightly better shadows in one version? or slightly better better AA, or maybe going from 900p to 1080p? ok, we all love a bump up in graphics, but acting like a developer can't achieve their "vision" on one console but they can on the other is just retarded. they're not that different. if developers want to take advantage of the PS4's juice to bump up the graphics a bit, go for it. but it's not changing the game as a whole. if one console could have an entirely different physics engine that vastly changed the way you played the game, that's a major difference. or maybe one game could have a fully open world and the other had to have it divided into sections that loaded new zones. huge difference. or AI that was 100x more realistic and adaptive than the other version. that would change the experience. but slight graphics changes? please.
@thehitman "Designing a mmo type fps for PC would be a disaster having all these horrible PCs in the mix lagging up the game and the multiplayer. " - Do you even play PC games?... What you mention is already being done - Planetside and Firefall are 2 big examples. As for the discussion on parity, players talk about wanting to utilize the power of each console to the fullest and do without parity, which more often than not, is just an argument for "make my version prettier..." Neither console on it's own, is more or less powerful to the point where drastic changes are going to happen, like a whole new region to explore on one version vs the other, or more weapons and customization, etc. However, each systems respective cloud technologies could offer tools/features for devs, to achieve more ambitious goals.
So they should focus on more powerful Hardware? Your saying they should make this game primary for PC then which will screw PS4 and XB1 over and get an inferior port instead.
@Enemy Enough with the "Butthurt" gay slurs, if you're looking for a shag, just ask. Power isn't everything. Take American muscle cars. Very powerful but can't handle for sh!t. Now take X1 and PS4. PS4 has an edge with memory and a slightly better GPU. The difference in graphics isn't that much between the two if any at times. However where MS shines is the potential of kinect (yes I don't care about spy from both MS or sony, I don't care if MS see with with me nob out) The idea of using kinect to judge my boredom or fear etc and have the game respond is just awesome. Immersion beat knocking one out over graphics for me. So to answer your comment. There is nothing to Gimp. Give PS4 & X1 1080p / 60fps but give X1 immersive gameplay with kinect, since it can doo it all. Then lets see which version is gimped!
@ Gekko36 But as far as we know, theres very little that the kinect can do, that the PS4eye cannot. If your talking voice stuff, PS4 can do it cause its all software. If your talking tracking, PS4 can do it as they can even track your eyes as proven last night. So even though every PS4 wont have a camera, they can still put it in for the PS4 users that do, especially if they are already doing it for kinect. Keep trying.
The two cameras are not at all comparable, one has a dedicated CPU, has four different methods of tracking, performs as an IR blaster, has multi - array microphones. The PS4 camera is programmable through software, the same as Kinect 1.0.
@XboxFun "And what would the more powerful console be able to do that the other one couldn't?" You have it backwards. What could the console that costs 25% more do in this game that the cheaper and more powerful console doesn't? The One fanboys keep asking why people choose a PS4 over the One. The real question is why anyone wouldn't.
@XboxFun A better resolution makes a whole load of difference.
Which is why consoles should die, bringing down the cost of PC parts, less hardware releases themselves and really allowing developers to take full use of PC tech and not having to worry about being tied to one specific piece of tech for the better part of a decade, right? I mean, more powerful hardware.
@XboxFun You clearly have no idea how much more power a higher resolution takes. Go experiment with the resolution option on a PC game, from 720p to 900p to 1080p to etc for about 5 minutes and you'll see.
wait so whats being done one the new consoles that cant be done on older consoles
Why would you purposely buy a weaker console and then hope for parity throughout the whole next generation? Just buy the more powerful console or be happy with whatever you get.
Because I am buying the console that has the exclusives, and features I like better. Mind you, I am getting both by the time Destiny is out regardless. The reason I want parity is so people like yourself can stop feeling like they are the superior race in gaming. Is it too much to ask that both games be great? Why do people want the Xbox games to be worse than PS4, because you don't plan on owning one? I am sorry if you feel insecure, private message me and perhaps we can talk about your feelings.
rela that is the worst reason i've ever heard.
@ rela82: That's like saying you'd prefer they keep next gen versions from looking too superior to last gen versions just because you're still gaming on last gen hardware. The world's bigger than you, and we moved on to next gen for a reason. There's always going to be a problem with meeting deadlines as well. None of these developers are nearly big enough to focus on every platform at once. If, for example, consoles were their main focus, then the game will be more optimized for console than for PC, and vice versa. It's that simple.
I'm picking up an Xbox One also. I don't care if there is parity or not. Let the more powerful system have more power. Let the Xbox One utilize it's strengths (Kinect or whatever) Last but not least, don't let anyone else make you feel inferior. If you want X1 enjoy it for what it is... @Sarcasm, exactly!
^Oh my god they have stooped to a new low. Nobody's saying for the Xbone version to be crappy, in fact I hope they make it as good as possible. With that said, I hope they make the PS4 version as good as possible. And if they ever make a PC version, I hope they give it everything they got. Damn with the parity crap.
Which is what I was saying, I want them both to have parity, meaning that they were able to accomplish everything they wanted with BOTH consoles... I just get disagreed because I didn't want the PS4 to be superior. I want them both to be able to achieve perfection. Just because one thing is more powerful doesn't mean that in the beginning of the generation that we can't have parity. We have a long ways to go before we max both of these bad boys up, there is no reason they shouldn't be able to get parity out of the next gen right now. Edit: I can tell how many sony fanboys there are by the amount of disagrees. Who in the world would be opposed to two versions being just as successful. The xbox may have struggled in the beginning with a few of the multi-plat titles; however, we all know it was rushed to the market. After a length of time, I imagine that the multiplats will be closer in parity.
rela, Just stop you make zero sense. I mean if you have a valid point in there somewhere maybe its for your eyes only cuz no one understands how you can say both reach perfection to their strengths yet want parity. i mean you can;t honestly believe anyone understands you do you? Edit: I can tell how many sony fanboys there are by the amount of disagrees. Who in the world would be opposed to two versions being just as successful. The xbox may have struggled in the beginning with a few of the multi-plat titles; however, we all know it was rushed to the market. After a length of time, I imagine that the multiplats will be closer in parity Being just as successful and parity are two different things. They can both be successful doesn't mean parity is the only way to reach it. You're asking for one version if possible to not show its strengths so that its a level playing field? WTF ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
@rela82me Don't need parity. Make each one to the best they can with the hardware. That's all is being said,nobody agrees with you trying to make them equal. Has nothing to do with "Sony" fanboys as you say. That just goes to show where your head is at.
How the hell did rela's last comment get a bubble so fast when it still makes no sense? WTF
^As consumers we should demand them to make the best out of the hardware. That means there shouldn't be parity. Parity usually means they lowered the quality to match the lowest denominator, and sorry to put the truth in your face it happens to be the Xbox One in this case. With that said, "Play the games, not the resolution" which means it doesn't matter if your version isn't going to look as good as the PS4 version, it will still play well and you will enjoy it. Isn't that the argument Xbox Fanboys have been making since the whole Resolutiongate? Trying to argue for them to bring the PS4 version's quality down to match the Xbox One version is pretty sad. Last generation they opted for parity because well, both consoles were pretty close. Each had their strengths and weaknesses and at most were 10% give or take to each other. Heck, most of the 360 multiplatform titles were better and had higher resolutions. This time it's different because the gap on the PS4 and X1 is much more moderate.
Im going to give you the benefit @blacktar. You obviously aren't grasping what I am trying to say. I like to think of myself as somewhat intelligent and I do not believe I am talking in circles here. "Being just as successful and parity are two different things. They can both be successful doesn't mean parity is the only way to reach it. You're asking for one version if possible to not show its strengths so that its a level playing field? " The WHOLE point of my comment was that they BOTH can give it all they got and they come out even. Why would I want to have my game say on the Xbox One and know there is a better version out there. I wish that they both are able to get everything they can out of both versions (Talking next-gen only here) and they come out looking the same. This is going to be a great game, one where most of my friends will be on Xbox One so that is the console I will likely purchase Destiny on, and I want them both to be the same. Not that I want the PS4 to have to skimp out because of the Xbox One. This is a cross generation game if anything is going to hold it down its the ps3 and Xbox 360. Edit: I believe everyone is misunderstanding me because they believe I want them to downgrade the PS4 version to meet the Xbox One version. That is NOT the case. There is NO reason why the Xbox One version cannot meet the PS4 version, just because some launch multiplats couldn't achieve parity doesn't mean its a forecast for the entire generation. If it comes down to it though that they cannot meet the parity because of the Xbox One's specs than that is fine, upgrade the ps4 version and make the best game possible.
@rela82me, The reason you got disagreed with is because PS4's GPU is 40% more powerful than the XBOX One. Parity is the act of making the same. Almost all AAA budget games should show graphical and/or performance benefits in favor of the PS4. No one really wants games to be dumbed down.
The same can be said for people who buy a console vs a PC... if you chose to buy a console, be happy with what you get, even if this means games running at less than 1080p/60fps, or games having less c0ntent or features.