A Sony representative confirmed the PS4 can't receive infrared remote control commands, limiting its ability to work with traditional universal remotes.
Man, this sucks... I was hoping to be able to pass my ps4 through my xbox 1, and use kinect to turn it on... Not a deal killer considering I'll have to pick up the ds4 anyway to actually play the game, but it's a little less cool.
I doubt passing another console through the Xbone via HDMI will be lag free despite of what MS claims.
It's a a/v cable. It simply passes a signal. There's no reason there would be any more lag than when i pass the signal through a receiver... Which is non-detectable...
Pass through should present less lag than Vitas Remote gaming so where's all your moaning about that?
Yea I was def expecting to do this no next gen for me. Whats the point of taking 10 steps forward to take one step back OMG! WHYYYYYYY Sony WHYYYYYYYYY??!!!! I mean PS2 and only the 1st gen PSP's had IR. Stupid native 1080p. at what cost?! Sony you really cut corners on this one. Now I'm forced to use the Bluetooth remote I been using for the past 3 years or my controller or my camera if the function gets patched in or just play Killzone. Damn it's a good thing I got used to not having IR remotes for my console for the past 7 years I'm so lucky :/
A normal pass through wouldn`t cause any noticeable lag, but I`m not sure it`s just a simple pass through since it`s processed by the system and not just send to the TV so you can do voice controls and so on for live TV. The remote play only sends video data from one device to the other device and sends small data for the input to the console and all of that is done by the extra chip that`s dedicated for the streaming and background downloads and so on. In that case the lag should be rather small unlike the PS3 where that feature had to be programmed by the game developers and it was handled by the chip that was also responsible for running the game. If it is a simple pass through it will have less lag than the Vita Remote Play. If it is not a simple pass through it will have more lag than the remote play.
Except for, it can, the same way I use my HDTV remote to control my PS3 through HDMI via the HDTV itself. Just turn on HDMI link and you're golden. No need for lame universal remotes that toggle between devices at all. EDIT: Sorry, I meant to reply to the guy below you.
blutooth anyone? IR is a dying if not dead way for remotes to communicate
Lol, your funny that's why 98.5% remotes still uses IR.
ya.. cable boxes, TVs, & the xbone.. I have no need for it in my PS4.. My TV uses blutooth too so ill be ok
Ir = Pointing at your tv to change channel and making sure nothing is blocking its path. Blutooth you could be paralyzed from the neck down and change the channel with your tongue, no need to point sh!t. I have been irritated about everything not being blutooth for 10 years now. Everything in the living room should be blutooth from your tv to your sound system by now. My next smart tv and sound system will both be blutooth.
@1OddWorld I couldn't agree more. It's stupid that all these devices are still using IR, it's such an archaic method of controlling devices. The big advantage of Bluetooth besides not needing a line of sight is that it is a two way communications channel. That means that those fancy smart remotes that can control all your devices don't have to guess at the state of the device. They can query the device and make sure that each one is set correctly.
But he is right, ir is a dying breed. It's aweful and there are starting to be more bluetooth remotes on consumer devices now..Not saying that will take over or anything, but it is an option since PS4 already has BT support. But hey, I would actually rather that they put a software remote feature in the Playstation app and then I can use my smart phone or tablet as a remote for the PS4. I always just used the controller on the PS3..
@ Kenmid Where in the eff did you pull that statistic from?
bluetooth is outdated tech too wifi direct is way better
Bluetooth is superior for this application, Wifi Direct is overkill. The amount of data is minimal so Wifi's performance offers no advantage. But Wifi consumes more power and is more expensive to implement.
Very true... You don't need 300mb/s to change channels.. Lol.. I didn't know Bluetooth was making its way to remotes.. I'm all for that
All hd directv receivers are rf remote compatible.
Yeah. I love my Bluetooth remote, but to call it dead or dying is really stretching it. I haven't seen anyone other than Playstation adopt it for remotes.
There's no point for remotes anymore when tablets and phones are taking their place.
No. Why would I want to reach for a tablet, turn the screen on, possibly unlock it, launch remote app (if not already running) just to change the volume or channel when I can just reach over and press a button on a normal remote?
Because right now, you have your phone right on you right now. Just like how you just replied to this. Just like how I replied to this as well.
No, I don't have my phone on me. It's sitting a few feet away. I'm using my computer to type this. Why in the world would you assume I'm using a phone to do this?
Cancelling my pre order
Same. This is totally unacceptable!!
I feel betrayed as a consumer. I'm going to buy me a sega saturn instead
Really.... it's like " lets keep trying to find something " stories.
I cancel my preorder because of this... lol
See ya online here soon. :D
It's good to learn more about the console—what works and what doesn't.
Use your DS4? It's a controller.
Wow...really. Something this basic no less. Soooo...no universal remotes then?
Why the hell would you be using a universal remote on your PS4?
You realize the universal remote market is big among tech heads right? They love controlling all their appliances with one remote...TV, sound system, console etc. You also realize the PS3 had one right? Its a basic feature thats actually regressing instead of progressing. I mean MS uses Kinect that acts as the IR blaster to control your appliances with your voice...really high tech stuff, yet PS4 doesn't have it at all? Just seems odd for something so simple.
The PS3 has a Bluetooth remote, first and foremost. And it's hardly "really high tech stuff," since it's been around longer than I've been around (close to 30 years). It's really old tech that it doesn't make sense to include when the better option of Bluetooth is available. In fact, the reason why IR remains popular is because devices outside of TVs and game consoles don't typically have Bluetooth connectivity. My cable box runs IR, just like the one I had in my room 20 years ago. What part of that is advanced? Edit: You can't get rid of something that was never there to begin with. Sounds like you don't control your Kinect- and thus your XB1- with an IR remote. Rather, it sounds as if the Kinect itself is the IR remote for other devices. That puts it in the same position as the PS4, as far as using universal remotes is concerned. And still, the question remains: why the hell would you want to control your PS4 with a remote? An IR remote, at that. Not seeing why I should go for old-ass IR instead of new-ass Bluetooth, universal remote or no.
Haha...what I called hi tech was the WAY Kinect converts your voice commands through The One using Kinect to talk to the other devices in your living room as if its coming straight from a remote, not the tech itself. IR has been around for years...but it is still popular. Most devices in our living rooms are not Bluetooth, but chances are they work through IR. To get rid of it means one can't use a universal remote with the PS4.
Good news I like Bluetooth the best you don't have to point that way
I have Sony tv and almost everything Sony with HDMI can be controlled with one remote so this shouldn't be a problem for me or anyone else with a Sony tv. Hell I even use my phones remote app and Tv Side View app when I am not in my seat or laying in bed using ps3/tv for media apps. I am sure at some point they will allow smart phones to directly connect to PS4.
Meh and? Sony will make another remote and I'll buy it, PS2 had one, PS3 had one. Lucky for me my normal tv remote can control the PS3 and most likely will do the same with the PS4.... Mmmm maybe Sony will add a Move light Senor on the tip of the remote for easier selection control?
So what will work with the ps4. (New to gaming)
I didn't even know this was on anyone's list.
You can't control the PS3 with IR either so I fail to see how this is news.
Was going to post the same thing. The PS3 couldn't either. This is not news.
I thought that's hdmi ces was for. I can use my tv remote on my PS3 thanks to that standard.
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Noooooooooo!!! im dooomeeedd BS.
Comments here are hilarious, IR on all devices 'needed', really? It's called Consumer Electronics Control (CEC), one remote to control all devices chained up via HDMI. PS3 has had this for 3 years now, and the PS4 will continue this.
WTF. Are you people serious. The X1 still batteries, and a fat a$$ power brick.
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