So many gamers these days are criticizing Nintendo for not being more mature. They try and make the argument that Nintendo hasn’t grown up with them but instead insist on making “kiddie” games.
Good read. Gamers need to stop using games as a way to define how mature they are.
Agreed. People also like to use the word hardcore to define anything that Nintendo isn't. LOL, try beating the original Zelda or Zelda 2 on the NES and talk about hardcore. Those games don't f*** around.
back in my day.... Hardcore wasnt about the type of game you played. it was about the dedication to playing games. anyone who would put in the time and effort to play through such games as megaman, mario bros, zelda, goonies....were considered hardcore. those who played, occasionally were the casuals. now it seems those two terms are applied to the games rather than the gamer. As if they think there arent any hardcore candy crush players or casual killzone players these days.
That's kind of the point with "hardcore" we need a challenge, fact is Nintendo games are for casual gamers that don't need or like a challenge I beat every Nintendo game I have playes in 12 years easy. Metroid Prime on Gamecube was the last challenging or "hardcore" game from them. Also Nintendo games have no substance in their story lines. No drama no unexpected plot twists no nothing. Adult content doesn't really mean violence, gore and sex. If Barney has a naked girlfriend it wouldn't make it for adults, might not be for kids but still not for adults. Nintendo does need to make Adult or mature games I don't even see how that's up for debate. Been waiting for a game from Nintendo for me since I was 16, 27 now and still waiting.
mario is one of their mainstream games, but i dare you to tell me Kid Icarusbis casual or easy, or Magical Starsign is casual and easy, or Last Story, Xenoblade, Steel Diver, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, or Steel Diver is for casuals and easy games. Nintendo has lots of challenging games.
Even kojima plays advance wars. Wasnt mariokart kart seen as unfair to the majority of hardcore games when it released? Yes it is so hard that it seems unfair... booo hooo... yet sells 20 million go figure and you will get lapped if you have no skill. The mario rpg always have twists, the twist come in gameplay mostly, its that which makes video gaming different from movies and more important to the hardcore gamer. Try sin and punish it you want a challenge, try actually play the new marios before you say they are too easy. Stories in gaming are cool yet if offers no replay value which is why gaming use to command a higher price. Lets use cod for example.. the story sucks most times. Yet the replay value comes from online play and some real genuine challenges even if people cheat or camp. It is the lan pc fps experience that halo brought. Older eevs saw this during our geek days before we started buying high end cars.
True gamers shouldn't use games to define how mature they are but this isn't a good read. This is a very narrow minded naive view of what a mature game is. The Last of Us is a mature game but it doesn't follow the same trends as the author suggests. Mature games are about story structure/themes/in depth character development.... (something Nintendo has been missing for a while now and should consider investing in) not my character can do cracking therefore it is mature
Sorry if I had read your post I would not have posted mine. You are so right! It takes different things to keep an adults complex mind entertained than what it takes to keep most kids attention.
Agreed. It's not about the violence and sexual content. It's about the themes explored, narratives, character growth and relationships, etc. Just being realistic, Nintendo lacks the games that tackle those sorts of topics, by and large. And there's nothing wrong with that. Nintendo is, more than the other two, the home of lighthearted gaming. There are some more serious, more mature titles- Fragile Dreams comes to mind- but they're few and far between. I think that's the sort of stuff folks mean when they say they've outgrown Nintendo. Simply put: you're just not likely to find a The Last of Us or Lost Odyssey on a Nintendo console.
As long as the fans continue to support Ninteno they wont be going anywhere.
Horrible read: From beginning to end this article is filled with irrational thought and prejudence. 'From a gamers perspective perspective maturity is gritty, bloody, dark and full of swearing and dismemberment. Subdued colors, explosions and guns make up the bulk of what today’s gamer thinks of as mature' Clearly has a very sadistic view of adult gamers. Not every game consist solely of homicidal behaviour. If that were the sole identity of adult games many of us would have stopped gaming ages ago Take the Last of Us an example. Its obviously a dark game with plenty of blood and violence. But it also deals with very mature themes. Survival and morality are in constant conflict with each other throughout the game, and by the end you question what it means to be human.
TLOU was certainly heartwarming in a bittersweet way with great presentation but i think you have that last part wrong.the hundreds you kill along the way really aren't Human enough to induce conflicting feelings.The strong relationship is still the strongest point.
Beautiful. Exactly how I feel on the matter but this article just summed it up perfectly.
So true, "blasting homies with your 9" in GTA doesn't make you mature lol.my favorite movies of all time ranges from Howls moving castle, to Million dollar Baby, to Fox and the Hound to Once Upon a Time in the West to Toy Story to The Artist. i love all those movies but would that make me immature because i like animated movies? no it doesn't. would i be more mature if my list excluded those animated movies?! no i wouldn't be. same goes for games.
Oh but when a CEO of a game company acts like a fool in a Mario hat when they're supposed to be broadcasting a Nintendo direct is not considered childish? It's this image that they give themselves that seperates Nintendo from the rest and it starts from within the company. No wonder hardcore gamers and developers alike pass up on Nintendo. They need to act like professionals not kids. ;)
@LOL_WUT so are you more childish cause you have sonic as your profile pic?
riiiiight cos this pic doesn't exist huh? http://evounlimited.files.w... thats just nitpicking and you know it. how is holding a big TOY gun any more mature than wearing a Mario hat?
I hope you say the same about Sony taking that childish shot (which I thought to be humorous) at Microsoft at E3...oh wait you didn't because only Nintendo does this right? Pot, meet kettle.
Million Dollar Baby is more Mature than anything Nintendo has ever done.
i don't see where i ever came close to saying it wasn't... but i can still watch Million Dollar Baby and play Nintendo games... which is the point my comment is making.
Yeah i love when people compare gaming to movies. The movie industry has its flaws but it is capable of displaying a far greater level of maturity than the gaming industry will ever know. Why? because they use human beings not polygons. At the end of the day games are just games. Its not a bad thing but people should embrace that more. Stop trying to be gritty and mature with every title. Games were meant for fun. Blowing peoples heads off isnt all that fun.
@LoL-WUT so when Walt Disney was seen playing with a Mickey Mouse puppet did that make him unprofessional?
Actually, in hindsight, that's pretty questionable now...
I am a hardcore gamer and have been since 85'. I have logged hours upon hours on many different consoles and I enjoy a variety of different game genres. Just because I enjoy Mario and Zelda doesn't make me any less hardcore.
nintendo need to grow up. nintendo dont seem to acknowledge that the millions of people who made them the successful company they are today, have all grown up. their sensibilities have changed. the average 26-36 year old does not play mario anymore. they are not interested in kirby, yoshi or pikachu. and they are not interested in zelda games with cutesy cartoony art styles. nintendo do have ips suitable for a mature audience, but simply doesnt use them. ie metroid, f zero. nintendo wants to remain a games company for kids, when there is a massive market for adults. let me tell you a little story for how times have changed, me and my mate (who were in late 20s at the time) were playing rayman legends. my mates little nephew walked past the room and laughed his head off that his uncle was playing 'childish' games, he actually made fun of him. my mate doesnt play those games anymore. times have changed. nintendo need to change with time or get left behind. EVERYONE grows up and moves with the times, but it seems nintendo want to play peter pan.
Too bad for your "mate" then that he would let his nephew dictate what sort of games he should play. Who's being immature there? Everyone seems to have grown up but that doesn't stop Mario games from selling 25 million copies. Tell me the last "mature / hardcore" title that has sold that many? Oh right.. you can't.
im not saying nintendo should stop making mario or childrens games. im saying they should make their catalogue/ips more diverse.. reach out to the audience that HAS outgrown mario. ''Too bad for your "mate" then that he would let his nephew dictate what sort of games he should play. Who's being immature there? '' to me, that was the moment when my mate realised its time to move on. personally, i still continued playing mario a few years after that occasion. but now i feel its time to move onto experiences that i can get something ...deeper from. mario is becoming like disney to me, yes i own disney films, but only for the nostalgia.. because they bring back memories. i would buy the classics, but wouldnt watch new disney releases. i think its the same with more mature gamers, why would they continue buying nintendo games when they have outgrown them? nintendo need to offer those gamers something.
@Thepcz - look I completely understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinions. If Nintendo is not something for you then that's fine. I would never expect everyone to appreciate them for what they continually bring to the table, regardless if it's more family oriented in nature. The fact that you wouldn't watch new Disney releases shows how much you are missing out on. Go watch a movie like Wreck it Ralph and tell me it was just for kids. There is so much 80's and 90's video game nostalgia in there that no kid today would even begin to understand. I am lucky enough to have a 16 month old son, so I get to continue to experience these great movies now with him. While I can agree with you that I would love to see more mature ips to a certain degree, I still know that when I buy a 3D Mario game or the next Legend of Zelda, I am getting a truly amazing experience, which is ultimately what I am after when I am playing these games.
''Go watch a movie like Wreck it Ralph and tell me it was just for kids.'' funnily enough, wreck it ralph is one title that i am interested in seeing and am planning on buying. i do enjoy pixar films, because as you said, there is something for everyone in them. i guess im at an age now where i am a man, not a boy, teen or the 18-24 young adult. as the old saying goes ''When I was a child, my speech, feelings, and thinking were all those of a child. Now that I am a man, I have no more use for childish ways.'' really, is it a good look, or even useful for a grown adult to play what is essentially a childs game? no such 'dilemma' arises while playing metal gear solid, gran turismo or any other game considered 'mature'... only that it is still a game. i still want to enjoy a game every now and then, but personally, i want the game to be more than a trip down memory lane. i want something intellectually challenging, politically provocative, deeply immersive etc... all the things that are not associated with the games made for younger audiences. ie bold, colourful, brash, happy-go-lucky, quick thrill, utopian, non-offensive games. again, nintendo do haves games that could satisfy the mature gamer, they simply dont use them, or when they do, they dont use them to their best advantage.
Nintendo's core fan base are the family unit. Why would they cater their games to a grown-ass man? They got a solid, loyal 25 to 30 years out of us gamers who stuck around since the 80's. They will get another solid 25-30 years from the next generation. Everyone needs to stop crying.
lol because millions of grown ass men and women still enjoy games. there is a massive market for games aimed at a mature audience.... and wii fit is not the game i have in mind. its nintendo's loss. true, a mature gamer may buy a nintendo console for their kid, but sony/microsoft have the mature market to themselves.
Most so-called "hardcore" games are easy peesy. Try beating Donkey Kong Country Returns 100%.
@Thepcz Well you have two other options...Xbox and PS. Why are people bitching about Wii U not being "grown up enough"? DONT PLAY NINTENDO if you feel you are too mature for its games. You have other options.
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