Sony's updated PlayStation 4 Software Usage Terms reveals the company may monitor and record PSN activity including content of voice and text communications
This article has clickbait written all over it, Essentially its saying it can use any information through PSN to make sure a user stays in compliance to the ToS. It has nothing to do with advertisement or endorsements. Direct quote. Your use of PSN and our community features may be recorded and collected by us or sent to us by other users as described in 13.1. Any information collected in this way, for example, your UGM, the content of your voice and text communications, video of your gameplay, the time and location of your activities, and your name, your PSN Online ID and IP address, may be used by us or our affiliated companies to enforce these Terms and the SEN Terms of Service, to comply with the law, to protect our rights and those of our licensors and users, and to protect the personal safety of our employees and users. This information may be passed to the police or other appropriate authorities. By accepting these Software Usage Terms, you expressly consent to this."
Who said it had anything to do with advertisements or endorsements? Drop the shield levels captain, no need to go into damage control.
You really don't think this will spin out of control? So why not start damage control before it gets worse?
Its Polygon. Keep throwing crap until something sticks. This is how a negative viral campaign works.
This is all to do with NSA spying. Pretty much any device these days be it Android Phones, Iphone etc they all come with some sort of spying. No surprise this has spread to home consoles. Americans really need to take a stand against their government and its policies. Wake up americans you no longer live in a free country. Hell americans need to wake up check out the biggest offender of all. Which is the Federal Reserve. Which pretends to be a government organization. Yet its a private central bank which has robbed American dry. For anyone wanting to find out more please youtube Federal reserve and find out how you have been indirectly taxed, cheated and driven into a debt driven system. A new born american today has a debt of about USD 50,000 on their heads and are slaves to the system from birth. People need to wake up and learn.
Just remember. This is a ToS deal. If you make a death threat to someone and they call 911. That is when you get taken to jail. The NSA is on Xbox kinect.
So, what goes around, comes around. Remember my comment here? http://n4g.com/news/1384832... In reality, you probably have agreed with several of these kinds of terms of business. Its just the reality of how things work. Its good that more people are made aware of it I guess but yeah...there you go.
Look at the Sony fans go. If this was MS and Kinect related, this would be HUGE news and number one on N4G.
this is for the protection of the users though. as I mentioned below, when u harass someone, sony will ban u from psn for 1 month. but to prove that u mis-behaved, they will send u screenshots or videos of ur behavior as proof that u broke the ToS. that's why its in there in the ToS. its not to spy on u. that's why the camera isn't forced on u like Kinect. Microsoft, lets just exclude the xbox, already spies on u via the windows. which is used to protect their assets. too many people making fake copies of windows and selling or trading them type of thing. to be fair, apple, google, yahoo already does the same thing. don't use it when u are getting spied.
@ The_Con-sept I have a buddy that is in the Navy, he specializes in language code decryption. He works in an NSA building. He told me a while ago, to spy on anyone, the NSA has to: Verify a threat Refer to the constitution to see if you are protected. (if you aren't suspected of treason, murder, or terrorist activity then you cannot be spied on in your home by the NSA.) Do tons of paperwork (Getting permission from executive branch of Gov't) After getting all of that done, then, and only then, can they spy on a single person. He told me to spy through Xbox Kinects, it would take lifetimes of verification. Essentially impossible. That's why Kinect, doesn't and never will bother me being on all the time. I'd be more worried about your everyday hacker, then the NSA.
This if from 2008 about MS providing "backdoor" entry to their own OS: "...Microsoft's efforts are not purely altruistic. It benefits from selling collaboration software and other technology..." http://seattletimes.com/htm... If MS benefits from collaboration with security agencies, what makes you think they won't collaborate with other (advertising) partners? Their money is no good?
I'll say it once so that I don't have to say it again. Every time I go on the internet, I always think like everything I say and do online is public. Always. That's true for every device regardless of the OS. The problem I have with Xbox One and Kinect is that it "Bridges the gap between online and offline". Meaning even if I'm not using the internet, I'm still being watched. Every website out there tracks what you do. Amazon tracks your shopping behaviors to bring you more content you may like. I think that was what Microsoft wanted to go for when they went to the advertising convention but just isn't the right approach and it's a breach of privacy. You can limit the content you put online, but if the kinect is watching you and uploads automatically? You can't.
Polygon.. why am I not surprised. I see they're making good use of that 750k MS donated to them.
Since I rarely use either, It matters very little to me.
Uh oh, Sony monitoring Comms and selling it to the Russians. AmIright? Lol, can't wait to see all the hypocrites defending Sony in here after all that crap about MS doing this. And before anyone even tries to suggest this is any different than what MS is doing. It is right there in the TOS. "Will be sent to police or other authorities". Anything you say or do on your Ps4, sony can do with it what it wants. Exactly the same as MS and all that 'NSA device' bull**** Haha, it's already begun below. Thats right, MS told us about it ages ago and the internet took a massive **** on them, but it's all ok when Sony are doing it. Sony even slyly hid it in the Tos hahaha knowing that MS where taking a beating over it. Some people even called it an invasion of privacy. *Grabs popcorn
The internet was wrong about Microsoft and they are wrong about Sony. This is normal procedure when you run any communications service. They are able to listen in on your conversations if they need to. It's not in order to spy on you, it's for QOS issues. Your cell phone operator can do the same thing, it's perfectly legal in most countries provided they aren't targeting a specific individual. In the case of consoles though they have even more to look into as there are TOS with which you need to comply. So if they have a reason to believe that you are violating the TOS then they can do what's needed to determine if that is the case.
The excuses and the naysaying is already piling up. I only wonder if everyone who said that they wouldn't buy an Xbox One because they were "afraid" of monitoring or had some principle against it will now cancel their PS4 preorders. I'm pretty sure they won't.
drop the act .. this policy been there for years and there's already 80+ million haPpy users
This is a LITTLE different....I believe the initial worry was that MS were going to actually spy on you with the Kinect. I think everyone here has agreed to these terms and services multiple times with multiple devices in their lives. They are on the PS3 too.
Unfortunately you guys are lumping camera/voice monitoring for NSA, with what every communications company has to follow ToS laws. Totally 2 different things.....SMH
@Lukas_Japonicus "Unfortunately you guys are lumping camera/voice monitoring for NSA, with what every communications company has to follow ToS laws. Totally 2 different things.....SMH" No, they're not different at all. Somebody monitoring your communications, whether it's text, voice, or video, is STILL monitoring your communications. And no, it doesn't matter if it's Microsoft, Sony, the FBI, the KGB, or aliens - you are still being monitored. People can justify or naysay all they want, but if a company puts this in their ToS, then they have reason and right to use it. I'm not saying they will either. My point is that there was a huge portion of people who made a big deal of Kinect being a spy cam, when just about any electronic device is and can be used to monitor us already.
As far as the NSA is concerned, they stick their nose where they don't belong. If only I could fart on them each time they spy on people they don't need to, I would. And it wouldn't smell good.
That makes sense. Nexus 7 2013
isn't this the same thing for the ps3 as well .. Edit: if u read the psn term of service u'll see this isn't a new thing it's been there but no one cared until now http://legaldoc.dl.playstat...
Yes. Exactly the same I believe.
Contradictory PS4 fans, file #8: xBox Kinect is always listening for commands but no evil empire behind recording = evil PS4 = someone can listen to and record w/o you knowing it if it has to = who cares
For me i'm not from the united state so since Sony is from Japan and micro from US i will trust Sony much more with my personal information
it's ps4 it wont get worst :), if it was xbox thn yea it would be bad coz its MS :).
Well you have been agreeing to these ToS for years now.
this is soooo funny to watch. The same thing people were bashing Kinect, Microsoft, and Xbox One for as a "legit reason" to not buy, Sony is doing the exact same thing with your privacy. Like i said, this is 2013. If you go on the internet or even own a cell phone, you have no right to be complaining about privacy now. So is this good news now since it's coming from Sony? Can't wait as we draw closer to PS4 launch we learn a lot more about what Sony won't tell or show anyone...like dat UI walkthrough still missing 4 days before launch -_-
My god people this is totally 2 different things. Kinect/Xbox1 giving NSA video and voice. Thats not the same as ToS.
I really didnt mind the Kinect always being on...I bought the PS4 camera and as long as it's plugged in it will always be on to. We live in a society that monitors civilians like criminals just waiting for us to make the slightest mistake or slip up and say the wrong thing. If MS and Sony didn't have these ToS they could be held liable by the govt. I agree though that if this would've been the XOne people would've been talking hella crap about it though. People need to wake up and either fight these practices or roll with the punches. If you're not going to make a stand then STFU about it. I for one don't really give a crap. I buy sytems to play games.Period. That's why I'll buy both consoles eventually. Waiting on Halo for XOne. Still, people need to realize that while MS did drop most of it's anti-consumer policies, being constantly monitored isn't something that will be exclusive to either system. We're monitored everyday by damn near every device, but there is a HUGE difference between DRM and being monitored. That goes for both consoles.
Sony, you disappointed me :[.
but it doesnt make that right to do that, i am buying the ps4 and i am a long supporter of sony since PS1 days but i am just pointing out what is wrong.
You can't sugar coat this, this is same cap as the new Xbox ToS. Giving your Data away, giving it to 3rd parties etc.
The excuses and defences you hear when something unsavoury about sony pops up are ridiculous! They seem incapable of wrong to ponies. I can only imagine the things that would be said if this were MS...que bathj telling us sony has earned the right to do shady seeming practices.
I don't understand this spin. ps3 has been the same way. for example. in HOME, I ended up in HOME jail becuz I broke HOME's ToS. I got in a fight with the Mod and told her how retarded she is and sony sent me screenshots of myself harassing the Mod. the screenshot included was texts of what I said becuz I didn't use a headset. and I was banned from HOME for 1 month. of course in this case, sony already saved my conversation I had with the mod so they can use it as proof that my behavior was not in compliance with HOME's ToS. so u guys understand what's going on here?
crabs in a bucket xbot loyalist trying to start that bu bu bu bu Sony is going to do it too. I swear the whole microsoft camp along with the fanboys are the saddest pieces of crap ever. That ship is sinking before it has even been fully boarded and ready to take off and the X1 fans and biased paid off journalist want to drag every down with them.
any information through PSN to make sure a user stays in compliance to the ToS? O_o Better read that ToS and have a lawyer nearby to comprehend!
ok it seems like as the ps4 draws closer people are reading through the TOS to find something to fuel an outcry from the industry. i am sure it wasnt 2 hours ago when an article claimed Sony was implementing DRM because of the updated TOS.
A draconian DRM, that MS dropped? Or a ToS that is now coming to light? I would have to say a ToS is much more important than the latter. Who am I to disagree though...i love having all of my communications recorded! It will keep me safe gooooo Sony!!!
if you believe ms will not be recording you as well you must have been living under a rock these past few days. http://n4g.com/news/1384807...
These guys are really trying their hardest find some crap that will stick. It's so cute.
I know. Dont worry, here at N4G we all know that Sony is perfect, supr pro gamer, and hates profits. Now lest get back at hating on MS please.
I'm going to waste all three bubbles here. I just wanted to say, I agree with you 100%. In the future please do not comment negatively towards Sony. On the other hand all this negative publicity and ranting and raving about X1 has been great, I've heard more about it than PS4. I've also seen far far more adds featuring actual game play on X1. I have not seen a single game play add for PS4...Im just saying.
@tiremfej: Sure you have. Microsoft has been airing them, passing the PS4 footage off as their own.
If they wanted to do that all they have to do is play duke nukeum forever. Nexus 7 2013
Yeah its so hard to find something bad about the PS4 while with the Xbox 720p their is bad news almost everyday. So they have to dig and struggle to find something bad to say.
I'm not sure I would call reading the terms of service "trying their hardest to find..." I mean it isn't some obscure document that was found by going through the trash can on a sony lawyer or something. It is available for all to read on the playstation official site. Some people like to read terms before they agree with them. Some people don't think sony is the messiah of gaming and should be blindly followed. What's cute is the smokescreen and redirect routine that ponies have got down to an art.
Well, I haven't been on the whole X1 hate wagon lately so you guys have fun with that. I'm not going to waste my energy on something I don't intend to buy.
Lmao i love how you guys Are finding something to putdown Sony smfh.
Here we go.....!! "Grabs popcorn"!
Pretty sure every ToS has this in some form.
So why Microsoft was attacked for having it and Sony is getting a free pass? Is there something I'm missing or it's just plain old hypocrisy?
that's just the mentality the majority of the individuals on n4g and other gaming websites have in regards to sony and microsoft. It's unfair and biased, but, alas, that's the way it is.
Probably because Microsoft is the one with the NSA and spycam controversies?
What you asking me for? I've never said anything about Microsoft having it in there ToS. Plus I would have put the same on reply if it was Microsoft. It's there to protect them from lawsuits and stuff. Both sides.
so probably the same policies as Xbox One. Not a big deal. Think about it- MS bans a console, Sony says they won't do that. But when MS's policies come out, we don't hear a peep from Sony.
You will see for a few days what Sony says. Btw. good to know that camera for PS4 is OPTIONAL.
The kinect comes with the Xbox One, but having it on is optional.
MS does something, it's bad. Sony does something similar, it's no big deal.
It is a big deal, because Sony is not an evil corporation. How many times do you have to read it on here before you believe it...??!?! They only want what's best for every gamer here?!?! MS on the other hand look out...they reversed policies on controversial issues...they are bad! Even though the very same issues that were a problem with Xbox One now turn up in PS4's ToS...hilarious...but it isn't a bad thing...because it is PS4...why would Sony ever dream of doing that to their customers??? Drink more kool-aid...its not like Sony has ever lied to customers before. I knew it was strange when Sony hasn't said a word about anything and let the fans go with it.
"because Sony is not an evil corporation. They only want what's best for every gamer here" ...thought you were serious for a second. funny
Hypocrisy at its finest hahahaha!
Similar doesn't always equate the same thing
Well with expected masses of former Xbox gamers coming to Playstation, I think it's a good thing that they monitor these things....we wouldn't want the psn culture to degrade too much.....not saying only Xbox gamers are uncultured, but from my experience XBL is far worse in terms of language used and just the overall culture.....