"The Bonus Round panel talks about the PS4 launch and a potential threat."
Sony's greatest threat right now is the PS3. Why? Because it has more features. How many people bought the PS2 just for the DVD player? How many people bought the PS3 just for the bluray player? Sony fans like to think the PS4 will sell PS2 numbers but that is not happening with all of the other devices out there these days. Casuals have no reason to buy a PS4.
Dafuq did I just read?!
Pachter was the voice of reason in this episode, how odd is that?
The_Villager is obviously just here to stir the pot and seek attention. He didn't watch the show because it was all about mobile gaming being the biggest threat to the console market and it had nothing to do with the PS3 or 2 other than talking about the evolution of the console industry. I, as Pachter of all people, disagree 110% with consoles being in trouble because of mobile gaming. The console market didn't shrink this past generation, it grew. Where Sony and MS made their mistake was dragging this current generation out too long. The console gaming audience is a completely different beast compared to mobile gamers. We want complexity and compelling gameplay that you won't get on a mobile device for a long time to come. Even these guys are saying we won't get PS1, 2 and especially 3 type games on mobile devices for years to come. By then we will still be a generation ahead and awaiting the arrival of the PS5 and MS's next iteration. Consoles will survive as long as there is money to be made. I don't see this changing any time soon. MS has gone on record saying there is more demand for their X1 than there was the 360 and we all know how crazy the demand is for the PS4. Pachter gets it. Rubin obviously is in love with mobile devices as he is always appearing to push them. The other guy I already forgot. That's how not impressed I was with him. We are talking about money to be made off of the console side of the industry. For once I am siding with Pachter. Regardless of what people think about him. He is the man in the know when it comes to the money to be made in this industry. He made excellent points. The other guys didn't like being schooled by a financial analyst even though he agreed with most of their points. Pachter was just saying there is always room for jello.
WTF did i just read ?! also ***""How many people bought the PS2 just for the DVD player? How many people bought the PS3 just for the bluray player?""*** yeah, how many ?! i want numbers with links to back you up
Nor is Xbox and Nintendo
PS4 has a chance to come close to PS2 numbers. It's the only console that has a chance to. Xbone won't and certainly not the Wii U. I doubt any console will sell like that again but PS4 has the best chance to.
I generally like Pachter. But he definitely has a blackbelt in cutting people off.
heh, people seem to forget that Sony is into mobiles/tablets too. can't wait for what come next after the Xperia Tablet Z, they haven't updated in a while...
That is very true. Most people do forget Sony is into mobiles and tablets. Brand awareness in these segments is not Sony's strong point. I was actually checking out a couple different tablets this weekend. I like what they did with the Surface 2, but both Dell and Sony have some pretty neat stuff I am considering too. The VAIO Tap 11 is a very sexy tablet for the price, but the Surface 2 has a little more capability with it's faster processor and better battery. It's a tough call so far.
every-time i hear Jason speak its always about tablet this .. take over the console market that even when nowhere in the question was tablet hinted. tablets will carve out its share in gaming but we will not all move to tablet gaming. i completely agree with michael pacther points in this episode.
I always think they underestimate how many of your average console gamers are just console gamers. Not all people who play games are gamers that love everything and will go where the games are. The average consumer...(key word AVERAGE, not hardcore gamer that reads N4G) is conditioned to think you play games on a box in front of your tv and they cost $60, then you go play Angry Birds on your phone or tablet for free or 99 cents.
at some point we'll own one multipurpose device for calling, texting, takiing pictures, gaming and so on. Be it 5years or 50years from now. I however think that consoles have atleast 1 or 2 more generations left in them where mobile devices will be struggelig behind.
what happens with the Mobile refresh'es? its very freaking Simple, on Mobile Smart device development, right now,m the key point is the multiple core development still is single core 1 GHz or Higher still being the core basis of software. Even for games, that is the problem! just like in PC's, even with a refresh every year, its not going to freaking matter how many times the refresh happens because its still Arm Cortex, Arm Holding's chip designs. but with the many time's that take the iPhone or iPad or Android Tablet or windows 8 smart phone's the top of the line from each and even though they all contain the dual core or Quad core, many times the Apps are still being built for devices, that run single core 1 GHz processor's from Arm Holding's. 3 to 4 years from Now.. And Pach; Sony is not ready? for a Change over, what? Ok , here is the freaking Hint, Sony has an entire Mobile smart Devices area that they heavy invested into for the past 7 years, why do you think they did with Playstation Mobile, and they have been courting the indie developer's so heavy to have PSN to be more heavly investment by Sony! Thats why Sony used Arm Holdings, Arm Cortex chips, no Mobile Handheld other than the PSVita has 128 MB of dedicated Ram for the mobile devices GPU! , So you can have 4 to 5 or 8 refreshes, and still i doubt very much all these other Mobile devices are going to make a Mobile devices with its GPU with dedicated 128 MB even than , because they are not designed for Gaming first! the 3DS and the PSVita are! thats why, unlike the vast mobile market is rather massive.The Gamer Market is designed first and front and center for Gamer's first! Sony, Nintendo both already know this, other devices have games and maybe the install base is much more and software sales is massive over the gamer market, but that is not the point, the point is those mobile devices will not be getting 1st party games unless Nintendo or Sony choose to put those games on those devices, so there is content you can only find on game consoles. Thats the point. Sony still has in roads into that Mobile smart devices market along with smart TV's and topset boxes' like PSVita TV, PSN and Playstation Mobile, with PSN you have PLAYSTATION Mobile, you have Playstation Mini's, PS2, AND NOW WILL HAVE. PSVita TV, ps3, and PS4 GAMES STREAMED VIA' Gaikai, an some in the bonus round are saying Sony's not ready for this change? really? LMAO
I would think many casuals whom only game on tablets may find a great liking to the deeper console-like games and may also eventually become console gamers too wanting that deeper and richer experience in greater graphical fidelity on their 50" TV, therefore strengthening the dedicated console market. Spin it however you like; Pachter was the voice of reason here, and dedicated gaming consoles and PC gaming ain’t going anywhere anytime soon.
I bet the PS4-slim model comes with an HDMI input... "us too, we have cross game chat now!, we redesigned our controller to feel more like the 360, we have a camera thats almost as capable of kinect 1.0, we have a premium online service, we have a hard drive, we can play mp3s (oh shit forgot that, lets keep that on the down low), we can kind of multi-task) Lol the Playstation is ironically like Xbox's little brother even though PS came before.
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