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Pach-Attack! - Are Nintendo’s Projections Serious?

Michael Pachter analyzes the possibility of Wii U reaching its sales expectations. (Industry, Michael Pachter, Nintendo, Steam Box, Valve, Wii U)

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yellowgerbil  +   696d ago
Nintendo will eventually go the route of sega. They lack the other departments of Sony and Ms to carry them through costly mistakes and failures.
jameson12345  +   696d ago
Except, you know money. And efficient operation styles. Heck, they even made a profit off the gamecube, and we know how well that system sold.
jameson12345  +   696d ago
Plus, they just had two of the highest selling consoles ever last generation. Sega had several failing consoles in a row and we almost bankrupt when they went third party.

Also, because of these other departments in Sony and Microsoft (which now aren't making near as much money for their companies as they used to) they actually have less leeway than Nintendo to make mistakes. If the playstation and xbox brands start costing them money, they have already been giving indications that they would cut them loose.
KonsoruMasuta  +   696d ago
No they won't.
were you even born before sega became a 3rd party developer?
yellowgerbil  +   696d ago
unlike you I've lived through Atari, magnavox, NeoGeo, and Sega all dying. As for the other replies, Nintendo is failing miserably, and have far less leeway than you are all giving them credit for. Where both Sony and MS have a good move into the future with other ventures (Vita Tv if released worldwide alone is enough to give sony a huge boost) Nintendo only has portable gaming to keep it afloat, and we all know portable gaming is going to be going the way of the dodo in a few short years. Why get a gameboy when you can get a Iphone or tablet, hell you can even emulate Nintendo games on them)
Chrischi1988  +   695d ago
yeah, that is why Microsoft is already considering to sell the whole Xbox business. Really, maybe you guys should get your facts right. Microsoft is losing a lot of money and sony just started to get some, but Nintendo made money on everything, except the Wii U, for the time being, so maybe, do some thinking and research, before acting like a news snob.
bullymangLer  +   696d ago
lol Nintendo can afford to make mistakes < fact

but if sony is gonna be copying nintendo and call that "competition" maybe sony should stick to making appliances . (:
11eleven11  +   695d ago
Check this out http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...
To underestimate Nintendo is like underestimate The Beatles, or Michael Jordan, or the USS Enterprise.
fonger08  +   695d ago
Seriously, look at Microsoft or Sony's gaming revenues then tell me who's more likely to go 3rd party. Nintendo will make money on the wii u faster than the Xbox one or the Ps4 both which stand to have losses per system sold. I mean I can't even tell you the last time the xbox gaming division posted a decent profit even with xbox live subscriptions. And Sony as a whole... well due to some favorable foreign exchange rates and the liquidation of some capital is the only way the company as whole has posted any significant profit in the 10 years or so. Nintendo has been doing this far far longer than sony or Microsoft, while the wii u isn't exactly a commercial success, it will be turning of profit soon.
yellowgerbil  +   695d ago
"The last six years have been terrible for Nintendo's (NASDAQOTH: NTDOY ) shareholders. After peaking in 2007 with a market cap near $85 billion, Nintendo has steadily collapsed and has now lost over 76% of its value over the last five years."
weekev15  +   696d ago
How much does this man get paid to spew this crap? I really hope WiiU takes off and Nintendo smash their projections. 3d world and the bundles that have been created look like helping.
Dunban67  +   696d ago

do you think they will sell 9 million for their fiscal year ending March 2014?

they won t come close - How is what Pach is saying crap- his prediction is an easy one to make and correct. Iwata has not come w in a few million of hitting any of his own Wii /u sales predictions yet
R00bot  +   696d ago
I agree, 9 million probably isn't possible. 5-6 million is possible IMO considering Mario 3D World and it's apparently large marketing campaign.

We'll see if they get anywhere near that projection.
Dunban67  +   696d ago
So you 6 (so far) guys that clicked disagree think Nintendo is going to sell 8.5 million Wii U's between now and the end of March 2014?

The 1st 1/2 of Nintendo s fiscal year (thru September) they sold 460,000+/- Wii u s

I wish there was a way to put money on that bet

I own a Wii u by the way- bought it at launch- my son is playing Lego Marvel Superhero's on it right now. I generally like the Wii U but am disappointed in Nintendo s effort to sell/market it, make games for it, get 3rd party support and generally making it better.
deafdani  +   695d ago
I think you misunderstood Nintendo's projections a bit. They're not aiming to sell 9 million Wii U's between now and the end of march, 2014. They're hoping to reach that number by then in LIFETIME sales (that is, including all the consoles they've sold since launch, which, to date, amounts to almost 4 million, I think).

The first thing is impossible. The second is not, although I still believe it to be very unlikely.
weekev15  +   695d ago
I think selling 5 mil is a possibilty over the holiday season, however I agree its ambitious. There are more people I know buying a wiiu when 3d world than at launch last year (although I know my market research of 20-30 people isnt conclusive)

The biggest thing Nintendo could do is make mums and dads aware of WiiUs existence. Invade x factor adverts, the champions league and thanksgiving football in the US.
bigbearsack  +   696d ago
Mario 3d party is going to boost the Wii U.
for we are many  +   696d ago
I wonder why Pachter and other "analysts" and fanboys do Not talk about this for example: http://www.gamepolitics.com...

But what do you know?! It's just Nintendo and NOT one of those multi-trillion, monopolizing companies or those with media studios and news sites. They make their games internally and NOT just go throw endless money at 3rd party studios to get exclusive games or even Exclusive DLC.
RPGrinder  +   696d ago
Nintendo will easily reach wii u and 3ds.

When was patcher right about nintendo?

and even if they dont who cares

FYI I love it how the questioner ignored the 3ds projections which are insanely high and reachable?

slant vs nintendo
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andibandit  +   696d ago
and even if they dont who cares

I dunno, maybe the shareholders.....
RPGrinder  +   696d ago
Who know nothing about gaming
Dunban67  +   696d ago
As an owner of a Wii U I care how many they sell- the worse the Wi U does the fewer 3rd party games we will get

The worse the Wii U does the less money Nintendo will invest in more games for it

The worse the Wii u does the less money Nintendo will invest in making improvements to the consoles software, to the W=E sop and to Mii Verse- So yes it does matter

One more thing- the worse the Wii U does the higher the chance Nintendo will one day be selling their games on ipads and the like- which I hope does not happen
JackieCruise69  +   696d ago
Although their sales projections probably wont be met; Patcher needs to just shut up.

I think he gets a hard-on when the opportunity to shit on Nintendo arises.
Realplaya  +   696d ago
Good Evening all. I find it weird that Nintendo gets bashed every time they release there earnings and losses but others don't Some people defend Sony like there doing awesome but just yesterday they sold businesses of to make money.

@ Yellowgerbill You should actually do research before talking.

Sony Corp. (6758) lost $2.2 billion in market value today after Chief Executive Officer Kazuo Hirai cut his earnings forecast and posted a loss because of stalling demand for Bravia TVs, Cyber-shot cameras and Hollywood movies.

The stock slumped 11 percent in Tokyo trading, the biggest drop in five years, after Hirai slashed his full-year net income projection by 40 percent to 30 billion yen ($305 million). Sony also unexpectedly posted a second-quarter loss, missing analyst estimates for a return to profit. Moody’s Investors Service Inc., meanwhile, threatened to cut Sony’s credit rating to junk.

So Sony's president who loves to bash and troll the competition is doing way worse than Iwata. But people don't want to talk about that.

but wait theres more:

Sony’s net loss totaled 19.3 billion yen in the three months ended Sept. 30, compared with the 14.8 billion-yen average profit of five analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg.
The company needs to cut costs and undertake “more aggressive reform” of its product portfolio and entertainment business, Fitch Ratings said in a statement today. Sony’s BB-credit rating, which is three levels below investment grade, may be downgraded, it said.

Microsoft isn't free in all of this.

Microsoft's results showed a $900 million loss due to Surface RT "inventory adjustments," a charge that comes just a few days after the company officially cut Surface RT prices significantly. This $900 million loss comes out of the company's total Windows revenue,

At the end of the day there all losing.
Hicken  +   696d ago
And all of that has WHAT to do with whether or not Nintendo can sell the number of Wii Us they projected?


Oh, well then. Carry on.
Chrischi1988  +   695d ago
You are a funny little dude. He replied to things in this comments section, smartass.
fonger08  +   695d ago
Damnit I wish I had scrolled down and read your post before basically posting the exact same facts about Sony and Microsoft... Touché

@Hicken because the reality of the situation is Sony is far worse financial shape than Nintendo and Microsoft needs the xbox to be a success as either a gaming platform or the Trojan horse for all things media related. No one seems to mention this fact on PSN4G.com. Nintendo, shockingly WILL make money, despite poor wii u sales.
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Hicken  +   695d ago
But this is about projections for sales of Nintendo's console. Which makes the financials of all three companies moot.

It isn't about how much money Nintendo will make, or what condition Sony is in, financially. It's not about Microsoft needing the XB1 to be a success.

It's only about their prediction on how many consoles they'll sell.

Now, if you've got some logical explanation as to how each company's financials factors into that, I'm all ears. But neither you nor Realplaya has explained their relevance as it pertains to Nintendo's projections.

Rather, you've done the fanboy thing: try to shift attention elsewhere. Even your other comment is that way, as the financials for Sony and Microsoft are dependent upon more than just the gaming divisions. Nintendo doesn't have that luxury, and while the 3DS is holding steady, the 2DS is a complete wild card(a mistake, in my eyes), and the Wii U is in trouble.

But instead of addressing the truth of Nintendo's condition in the console scape- which is what would prompt them to start being third party, at least in that arena- or addressing the subject at all- truth or lie- you shift the conversation to something else, entirely.

Your argument, then, fails, because you fail to argue the point.

Care to try again?

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