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Response to Albert Penello: You had a whole year

Albert Penello accuses Gamers of not giving him nor Microsoft the chance to have a rational conversation.

William Usher of Cinemablend's Gaming Blend offers a counter-opinion.

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Xwow2008990d ago (Edited 990d ago )

This is the Best response to penello and the rest of ppl at MS. http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

MightyNoX990d ago (Edited 990d ago )

I was gonna post this one in the comments but I was working on editing out the expletives. My thanks for beating me to the bunch *tips hat*

theBAWSE990d ago (Edited 990d ago )

@xwow that is the greatest speech in the history of gaming.... my god

does anyone have a link to the original post of that comment?

pixelsword990d ago

I'm tellin' ya; with all of this continued talk, it's obvious that they want to bring it back.

theBAWSE990d ago

cheers @x1

the post was soo powerful I read up on the guy 'foxix' who wrote the post... he was a devout 2X generation xbox Supporter!!!

makes you feel ashamed and embarrassed for guys like frigid/jokesonyou and the rest etc they need to read this from a hardened xbox Supporter and claim back some sort of common sense and intelligence

Kryptix990d ago

Well said...
Not sure why Penello brought the DRM fiasco back and try to extinguish those remaining flames.

Don't like how Microsoft always feels like they're right for the consumer all the time. Like they could of persuaded everyone to accept it and not get any backlash from the people with no consistent or any internet connection. It's listening to feedback that will satisfy the consumer and when questions were asked, they left the community even more confused or answers never were received.

Truth be told, they weren't prepared for it. Even if one year was given after E3, they wouldn't find the right excuses to convince the majority of gamers to accept it. You can say, "they were too ahead of our time" but saying that...you're also saying that Microsoft has completely lost touch of the people of today. It's what's in the present that you take and move into the future slowly, not act like the people has mostly changed quickly in a few years and change up the whole core and structure of what console gaming is about.

Microsoft has lost my respect completely and with all the mistakes they keep doing now, that's not helping. I came to see next gen with an open mind on both sides, but Microsoft's take on it is too much for me with twisted up roads that lead to no clear future...

Boody-Bandit990d ago (Edited 990d ago )

That is EXACTLY how I feel. It's like foxix is reading our (the rational consumer not rabid fanboys) flipping minds. The more MS talks the less I regret cancelling my pre-order.

They know this is a disaster. Instead of simply delaying it 6 months or a year they are insisting on rushing it out along with their games.

I sincerely hope it blows up in their face. Not that it will do any good because even then they will blame the consumer.

X1 consumers I hope you know this is being discussed because they STILL want DRM implemented.

gaffyh990d ago

Looks like MS is going to bring it back through the side door.

Oner990d ago (Edited 990d ago )

Xwow2008 said ~ "This is the Best response to penello and the rest of ppl at MS."

Agreed.

http://assets0.ordienetwork...

itBourne989d ago

At this point I am almost %100 positive that MS planned on launching next year, and just threw shit together to come out with Sony.

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DeadManIV990d ago

I read the whole thing and I completely agree.

FamilyGuy990d ago (Edited 990d ago )

WHOA!

That dude deserves a "Well Said".
You can have an "interesting" bubble for linking to it though.

I've been annoyed by that "consumer weren't ready" bs too. Instead of saying: "Sorry. we thought we could get away with that." They basically call us stupid for not seeing things in their "visionary"/ "forward thinking" perspective.
Arrogance, pure and simple.
To top it off it only implies the the DRM/always online nature WILL return.

DeadRabbits990d ago

'On the surface you seem to be approaching this device as a jack of all trades type of console.'

Jack of all Trades yet Master of None!

Septic990d ago

Holy **** That guy is a G.

+Bubs for helpful.

I hope Panello read that

DeadRabbits990d ago

He obviously struggles to read anything that contradicts his own perception of what the customer mood is!

He is insulated by a bunch of ex used car sales men that twist the statistics and research to meet their own pov.

Lannister990d ago

Throw, don't drop the mic.

Ezz2013990d ago

some one bring that Neogaf dude to N4G so i can give him "well said" bubble

aiBreeze990d ago

What an absolute idiot this Penello is. To have the audacity to blame gamers for not giving them a chance is almost as bad as #dealwithit

I guess they never had the chance to add in a segment over their TV TV NFL reveal, nor did they have a chance at the E3 conference nor the chance at the press thing they usually do but cancelled or at the tons of interviews they had conducted after the unveil up until the point where they done the 180s.

This guy is seriously deluded or once again, running damage control. The fact is, Microsoft shunned or talked around the stuff at every given opportunity.

KillrateOmega990d ago (Edited 990d ago )

That...was absolutely beautiful.

So accurate, so powerful. Oh, how I love a good rant.

Dehnus990d ago

The Butt hurt is strong in this thread.

jessupj989d ago

How about actually stating a rational counter argument as to why Penello wasn't a complete ass for saying what he did instead of unintelligently making that stupid and pathetic remark.

Of course there isn't a single legitimate defense that can be made for Penello's statement, so instead of just keeping quite you had to act like a butt hurt MS apologist. Very ironic.

Are you just very angry because you know xbone multiplat ports are going to be performing noticeable worse when compared to the PS4 for the entire generation?

thehitman990d ago

I think the reason MS are truly blind to this whole situation is because they expected that everyone wants to go the online-digital-cloud way. They are doing this with their business model, now Office is cloud based and you have to pay for the services. They have their enterprise systems starting to develop around it as well. It seems to be the way other companies are moving as well and MS wants in on it. Problem with it all is that the cloud IS NOT GOOD for users other than backing up and storing data. It is better to own your own software and control it however you want for how long you want. You have companies like Adobe with making their software all cloud base and they got hacked because of it. The business world wont raise their arms and cry about it because a lot of the big companies dont care since they got money and they just think its the next thing. But smart consumers do care especially, consumers that are watching what they spend in a struggling economy. DRM, the way they were doing it is not acceptable. People dont like their things controlled by third parties after they bought it. Treating consumers, gamers like they are their business clients was the WRONG model. They have a bunch of non-gamers running the thinking in the xbox division. MS is not an entertainment company they are a business company trying to hop into the entertainment world and the way they treat consumers is indicative of that.

If MS truly thought it was good then they shouldn't have reversed it, but obviously they knew they were in the wrong.

harrisk954990d ago

@thehitman

If MS truly thought it was good then they shouldn't have reversed it, but obviously they knew they were in the wrong.

Gotta disagree with you statement.

Actually, the only reason they reversed anything was due to the extreme backlash of the gaming community, gaming press, the fact that the information was "bleeding" into the mainstream (e.g. Jimmy Fallon) and MOST IMPORTANTLY, this was translating into a huge disparity in pre-orders between XB1 and the PS4. MS still has not fully recovered and its executives continue to stick their foots in their mouths. One PR mess after another. End of story.

Kuse990d ago

Not gonna lie, I actually agree with some of those bullet points.

pyramidshead990d ago

Gaf is always a great read.

If this guy were on here I'd have given him bubbs+

cyclindk990d ago

Great point here: "You do not operate within a vacuum and this relationship does not work in reverse. You are not entitled to my money."

Corporations seem more entitled than anyone these days and they are nothing without their consumers.

iceman06989d ago

This is the thinking, IMO, that got MS in trouble in the first place. Having done so well with the 360, they thought that they could just simply say and do whatever and the money would flow. It restores my faith a little bit that even faithful Xbox gamers could see through the BS and call MS out on it. After supporting MS through 2 generations, the person that wrote that, obviously believed that he was due just a modicum of respect. As in, if you want my money...show me why you deserve it. MS, on the other hand, pretty much said we want your money because WE deserve it!

-Foxtrot990d ago

That response was amazing, honestly so very well thought out

See how better it is though when your allowed to swear and other small stuff in a comment when you don't have to crap yourself into thinking your going to be de-bubbled.

Lwhit6990d ago

"The future is decided by the choices we make, not the mandates ordered upon us by those who would like to dictate what the future becomes." Wow. One of the greatest sentences I've ever heard.

Also applies to a lot more than just greedy companies forcing unwanted policies down our throats.

bornsinner989d ago (Edited 989d ago )

think people should stop thinking sony is the saviour of next gen. why?

1. drm was also there initial idea but removed when ms got raped by the public, why do you think both consoles will have day one patches?

2. ps cam was going to be compulsory but same reason as drm they removed it & now controller has a useless bright light ..only reason its cheaper

3. sony are doing the whole its more than a console too, in fact remember what they said about the ps3? also sony have tv streaming vita tv & 4gb (3.5 supposedly) ram reserved for os like xbone.

4. why is no one pissed that sony is charging for online? its still a p2p system & gaikai streaming shouldn't be the reason to charge people since not everyone uses it. at least ms offer dedicated servers & had a good history of dash & online updates

5. ps4 has easier access to more bandwidth with gddr5 but esram needs to be utilised properly, unfortunately late driver updates & poor dev drivers made multiplats made less use of it so more bandwidth which made cod/bf4 go 720p. its definitely possible for better res as as first party games like ryse is 900p & forza is 1080p 60, drive club is only 1080p 30 remember? & killzones 1080p 30 makes their game with smaller maps & only 24 character limit.. not a good thing for game thats attempting to be epic.

just some of the crap i have gathered but remember both consoles are powerful & i look forward to there games & features. i am more excited about xbone because of features like the dash, dedicated servers titanfall, gears,halo early cod dlc & bf4 dlc but its all preference

Sweep14989d ago

1 - You have no proof of what you state. also PS4 can play disc games without the update

2 - Camera was removed for costs reasons, to give the PS4 a nice price advantage

3 - PS4 is first and foremost a game console

4 - Explain why BF4, COD ghosts, KZSF use dedicated servers on PS4 then...?

5 - Keep dreaming about X1 perfs, unfortunately the GAP will widen when devs start to master compute on PS4

mananimal988d ago

@Xwow2008

ty for link, that sums it up very nicely indeed, classic,, rack'em, bubbles for you my good man.

All I can do is look in awe of the mess MS has created, this may be hard to swallow what I say next, but it almost seems like this whole mess is by design, orchestrated & not by chance, just my opinion.

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allformats990d ago

He was not telling the truth. No secret sauce never materialized. He said wait so the games speak for themselves and now that the games have spoken, he shifting the goal post until "all info is clarified".

Truth is, PS4 is superior, but don't expect to hear that from Microsoft's director of product planning, Albert Penello.

ZodTheRipper990d ago

Is he really blaming the consumer/community that they haven't had a rational conversation about all that? If Penello and his crew think DRM, always-online and mandatory Kinect are such good features why was it dropped within a few months? There is something seriously wrong in Microsofts PR and overall business approach.

Imalwaysright990d ago (Edited 990d ago )

There is no rational talk, propaganda or PR spin that would make me accept DRM because I'm well aware of what it is. When I see people saying "oh their PR fucked up and that is why their plan failed bla bla " or this dude saying that consumers didn't give MS a chance to explain their plans, that too me is just a scapegoat. Yes their PR could have done a better job but it were the policies that were rotten at their core and that is was why consumers said no! The problem were the policies, not the PR.

DeadRabbits990d ago (Edited 990d ago )

This vindicates the vitriol and bile directed at M$. He/They are angry at gamers for not swallowing their secret sauce!

The customer is always right!

Pintheshadows990d ago

Oh Albert, he really needs to understand what it means to open a constructive dialogue. You don't just thrust something upon people and expect them to swallow. Doing that kind of thing can get you in all kinds of trouble.