Albert Penello accuses Gamers of not giving him nor Microsoft the chance to have a rational conversation. William Usher of Cinemablend's Gaming Blend offers a counter-opinion.
This is the Best response to penello and the rest of ppl at MS. http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
I was gonna post this one in the comments but I was working on editing out the expletives. My thanks for beating me to the bunch *tips hat*
@xwow that is the greatest speech in the history of gaming.... my god does anyone have a link to the original post of that comment?
I'm tellin' ya; with all of this continued talk, it's obvious that they want to bring it back.
cheers @x1 the post was soo powerful I read up on the guy 'foxix' who wrote the post... he was a devout 2X generation xbox Supporter!!! makes you feel ashamed and embarrassed for guys like frigid/jokesonyou and the rest etc they need to read this from a hardened xbox Supporter and claim back some sort of common sense and intelligence
Well said... Not sure why Penello brought the DRM fiasco back and try to extinguish those remaining flames. Don't like how Microsoft always feels like they're right for the consumer all the time. Like they could of persuaded everyone to accept it and not get any backlash from the people with no consistent or any internet connection. It's listening to feedback that will satisfy the consumer and when questions were asked, they left the community even more confused or answers never were received. Truth be told, they weren't prepared for it. Even if one year was given after E3, they wouldn't find the right excuses to convince the majority of gamers to accept it. You can say, "they were too ahead of our time" but saying that...you're also saying that Microsoft has completely lost touch of the people of today. It's what's in the present that you take and move into the future slowly, not act like the people has mostly changed quickly in a few years and change up the whole core and structure of what console gaming is about. Microsoft has lost my respect completely and with all the mistakes they keep doing now, that's not helping. I came to see next gen with an open mind on both sides, but Microsoft's take on it is too much for me with twisted up roads that lead to no clear future...
That is EXACTLY how I feel. It's like foxix is reading our (the rational consumer not rabid fanboys) flipping minds. The more MS talks the less I regret cancelling my pre-order. They know this is a disaster. Instead of simply delaying it 6 months or a year they are insisting on rushing it out along with their games. I sincerely hope it blows up in their face. Not that it will do any good because even then they will blame the consumer. X1 consumers I hope you know this is being discussed because they STILL want DRM implemented.
Looks like MS is going to bring it back through the side door.
Xwow2008 said ~ "This is the Best response to penello and the rest of ppl at MS." Agreed. http://assets0.ordienetwork...
At this point I am almost %100 positive that MS planned on launching next year, and just threw shit together to come out with Sony.
I read the whole thing and I completely agree.
Same here. I agree 100%
WHOA! That dude deserves a "Well Said". You can have an "interesting" bubble for linking to it though. I've been annoyed by that "consumer weren't ready" bs too. Instead of saying: "Sorry. we thought we could get away with that." They basically call us stupid for not seeing things in their "visionary"/ "forward thinking" perspective. Arrogance, pure and simple. To top it off it only implies the the DRM/always online nature WILL return.
'On the surface you seem to be approaching this device as a jack of all trades type of console.' Jack of all Trades yet Master of None!
Holy **** That guy is a G. +Bubs for helpful. I hope Panello read that
He obviously struggles to read anything that contradicts his own perception of what the customer mood is! He is insulated by a bunch of ex used car sales men that twist the statistics and research to meet their own pov.
Throw, don't drop the mic.
some one bring that Neogaf dude to N4G so i can give him "well said" bubble
What an absolute idiot this Penello is. To have the audacity to blame gamers for not giving them a chance is almost as bad as #dealwithit I guess they never had the chance to add in a segment over their TV TV NFL reveal, nor did they have a chance at the E3 conference nor the chance at the press thing they usually do but cancelled or at the tons of interviews they had conducted after the unveil up until the point where they done the 180s. This guy is seriously deluded or once again, running damage control. The fact is, Microsoft shunned or talked around the stuff at every given opportunity.
That...was absolutely beautiful. So accurate, so powerful. Oh, how I love a good rant.
The Butt hurt is strong in this thread.
How about actually stating a rational counter argument as to why Penello wasn't a complete ass for saying what he did instead of unintelligently making that stupid and pathetic remark. Of course there isn't a single legitimate defense that can be made for Penello's statement, so instead of just keeping quite you had to act like a butt hurt MS apologist. Very ironic. Are you just very angry because you know xbone multiplat ports are going to be performing noticeable worse when compared to the PS4 for the entire generation?
I think the reason MS are truly blind to this whole situation is because they expected that everyone wants to go the online-digital-cloud way. They are doing this with their business model, now Office is cloud based and you have to pay for the services. They have their enterprise systems starting to develop around it as well. It seems to be the way other companies are moving as well and MS wants in on it. Problem with it all is that the cloud IS NOT GOOD for users other than backing up and storing data. It is better to own your own software and control it however you want for how long you want. You have companies like Adobe with making their software all cloud base and they got hacked because of it. The business world wont raise their arms and cry about it because a lot of the big companies dont care since they got money and they just think its the next thing. But smart consumers do care especially, consumers that are watching what they spend in a struggling economy. DRM, the way they were doing it is not acceptable. People dont like their things controlled by third parties after they bought it. Treating consumers, gamers like they are their business clients was the WRONG model. They have a bunch of non-gamers running the thinking in the xbox division. MS is not an entertainment company they are a business company trying to hop into the entertainment world and the way they treat consumers is indicative of that. If MS truly thought it was good then they shouldn't have reversed it, but obviously they knew they were in the wrong.
@thehitman If MS truly thought it was good then they shouldn't have reversed it, but obviously they knew they were in the wrong. Gotta disagree with you statement. Actually, the only reason they reversed anything was due to the extreme backlash of the gaming community, gaming press, the fact that the information was "bleeding" into the mainstream (e.g. Jimmy Fallon) and MOST IMPORTANTLY, this was translating into a huge disparity in pre-orders between XB1 and the PS4. MS still has not fully recovered and its executives continue to stick their foots in their mouths. One PR mess after another. End of story.
Not gonna lie, I actually agree with some of those bullet points.
Gaf is always a great read. If this guy were on here I'd have given him bubbs+
Great point here: "You do not operate within a vacuum and this relationship does not work in reverse. You are not entitled to my money." Corporations seem more entitled than anyone these days and they are nothing without their consumers.
This is the thinking, IMO, that got MS in trouble in the first place. Having done so well with the 360, they thought that they could just simply say and do whatever and the money would flow. It restores my faith a little bit that even faithful Xbox gamers could see through the BS and call MS out on it. After supporting MS through 2 generations, the person that wrote that, obviously believed that he was due just a modicum of respect. As in, if you want my money...show me why you deserve it. MS, on the other hand, pretty much said we want your money because WE deserve it!
That response was amazing, honestly so very well thought out See how better it is though when your allowed to swear and other small stuff in a comment when you don't have to crap yourself into thinking your going to be de-bubbled.
"The future is decided by the choices we make, not the mandates ordered upon us by those who would like to dictate what the future becomes." Wow. One of the greatest sentences I've ever heard. Also applies to a lot more than just greedy companies forcing unwanted policies down our throats.
think people should stop thinking sony is the saviour of next gen. why? 1. drm was also there initial idea but removed when ms got raped by the public, why do you think both consoles will have day one patches? 2. ps cam was going to be compulsory but same reason as drm they removed it & now controller has a useless bright light ..only reason its cheaper 3. sony are doing the whole its more than a console too, in fact remember what they said about the ps3? also sony have tv streaming vita tv & 4gb (3.5 supposedly) ram reserved for os like xbone. 4. why is no one pissed that sony is charging for online? its still a p2p system & gaikai streaming shouldn't be the reason to charge people since not everyone uses it. at least ms offer dedicated servers & had a good history of dash & online updates 5. ps4 has easier access to more bandwidth with gddr5 but esram needs to be utilised properly, unfortunately late driver updates & poor dev drivers made multiplats made less use of it so more bandwidth which made cod/bf4 go 720p. its definitely possible for better res as as first party games like ryse is 900p & forza is 1080p 60, drive club is only 1080p 30 remember? & killzones 1080p 30 makes their game with smaller maps & only 24 character limit.. not a good thing for game thats attempting to be epic. just some of the crap i have gathered but remember both consoles are powerful & i look forward to there games & features. i am more excited about xbone because of features like the dash, dedicated servers titanfall, gears,halo early cod dlc & bf4 dlc but its all preference
1 - You have no proof of what you state. also PS4 can play disc games without the update 2 - Camera was removed for costs reasons, to give the PS4 a nice price advantage 3 - PS4 is first and foremost a game console 4 - Explain why BF4, COD ghosts, KZSF use dedicated servers on PS4 then...? 5 - Keep dreaming about X1 perfs, unfortunately the GAP will widen when devs start to master compute on PS4