Gameranx:"A lot of people think this is Microsoft way of acknowledging PS4's superiority. It might be something simpler."
its not a conspiracy, its a fact. they were busted and they know it.
jesse ventura 2016
I don't think this article gets it.... no one is saying that this is MS acknowledging that the PS4 is superior, its about exposing a company that thinks its ok to lie to its customers by showing a game running on a PS4 on their official Xbox YouTube channel and trying to disguise it. They did it a few days ago too with the BF4 PC footage. Some people say Ubisoft are the ones who edited the PS4 button icons....maybe so but MS knowingly uploaded that footage and they knew exactly what platform the footage was from.
There was also no conspiracy to smudge out the PS4 controls at certain parts either. Thats why the footage has been replaced with Xbox One footage... because we have seen actual Xbox One footage of Watch Dogs... oh wait no we haven't.
"ok to lie to its customers" "and trying to disguise it." soooo...Sony E3 2006 and those pre-rendered trailers touted as gameplay...I guess all those "lies" were just okay to you huh?
"Sony E3 2006 and those pre-rendered trailers touted as gameplay." Pretty sure in that case, given that Sony went to great length to prove that they could deliver, made a commercial in which they dissected a scene in the commercial, that they lied to themselves as well. That they didn't set out to misguide anyone with the E3 footage, unlike MS can be accused in cases like this.
I dont even get your point . Didnt they get crapped upon for those fake trailers ? Hell you are yourself proving it by bringing it up again in 2013 after those titles got released with a fairly close end result .. Why should MS get reprieve for doing actually worse ? And they've been caught using footage that dont belong to them multiples times now . Not just for the upcoming console
Xbone, Xbone, Xbone... This is not good. http://weknowmemes.com/wp-c... Edit: Yeah, in 2006 the PS3, as well as everyone else, had projected goals they made in animated form; the only difference was that Sony execs made the mistake of claiming that one of the games, Killzone 2, looked just like it's vid (or said that it was actual footage, I forget). That wasn't the case, and that's the only one they claimed, but people made them stick to it (and they should, especially since Sony's execs made the claim), balking all the way down. When game footage came out, a lot of people bickered at any flaws while GG fixed them. When more footage came out, the game looked so amazing that people started to compare the footage and they discovered that the game looked BETTER than the animated clip; even prompting some people to claim that the footage was fake or bullshots. That's the difference between the PS3's fake game footage and the Xbone: The PS3 exceeded their target goal from their footage while the Xbone--at best--falls short off of things what were supposed to have been running on the Xbone.
Baka great point. Why should ms get off when sony got chewed out the same back then?
I don't understand why you keep insisting that Microsoft tried to disguise something here when Ubisoft was the party responsible for covering up the controls in the first place. There's no "maybe so" about that. That is why every other instance of this video throughout the wide world of the internet is exactly the same. And as much as you harp on MS for posting in on their channel - it is was the exact same video that was originally posted on multiple iterations of Ubisoft's channel and passed along throughout the industry. The bottom line is this: Ubisoft covered up the controls in order to provide a console-neutral Next-Gen gameplay demonstration of features within their new IP. Microsoft shared the same "next gen gameplay" video that was released BY UBISOFT to the public. And I should point out that I would be saying the same thing if it was Sony being unjustly attacked here. The facts simply don't support the silly conclusions people are trying to establish.
I dont buy and feed into the conspiracy theories especially in some sort of wide campaign .. But they've been caught multiple times now in what i see as punctual and isolated acts Everyone is guilty of dogdy marketing practices , but it's obvious some exec or folks at MS arent shy about going through it .
Wow Blaze… A) Company shows target render for a game on it's own console. That target render turns out to be very close to the finished product. or B) Company shows footage from the competitor's technically superior console as if it was their own. I don't think the two are even close to equal but even if they were, Sony caught a lot of flak for that, as Baka correctly pointed out.
lol that old news Microsoft bin doing this with gears of war that's when me and Microsoft part ways
Where there is smoke, There is fire !
@onagao: I again say to you that even if it was Ubisoft's video, Microsoft is responsible for what they post on the OFFICIAL Xbox Youtube Channel. They should have used Xbox One footage but they didn't because none exists. That begs the question of why none exists. Microsoft knew it was PS4 footage, they shared that video trying to pass off PS4 footage as being representative of what can be expected on the Xbox One and it's disingenuous. The blame is equally on MS as it is on Ubisoft.
What about the BF4 footage that was clearly PC gameplay? Seems like Microsoft is trying to hide gameplay on its own console... I mean, one incident is understandable... But this is the third one in the last week... I smell something fishy :/
"Calm down" doesn't capture the reaction to finding out MS used PS4 footage of Watch Dogs. Nobody was mad at MS. They were laughing at them. Big difference. So how about this as a title for your article? "Stop laughing at MS, it's embarrassing enough."
MS have done this so many times I have lost count. The reason they continue to do it is worthless sites such as gameranx.com are working overtime as Redmond apologists.
The footage was from 2005. No computer at the time could handle the awesomeness of the PS3 Cell power graphics.
Well, Microsoft knows the PS4 is superior, but they aren't going to publicly acknowledge it.
lol you say it is the same as showing the PC footage earlier, yet PS4 did the same thing with videos.
I think they just posted it either by mistake or because, you know like.Not everybody care about this xbox vs playstation crap as much as gamers and the dude that runs the ms youtube channel is probably one of them.Playstation youtube should post a video of a xbox game just to show people how silly this shi!t really is. Like seriously just how much can you be mislead by a youtube video and just how many people would that have mislead?I'm sure they knew it was a ps4 version but they didn't care.They didn't care to think about what the gamers would think either.. obviously... Either way, if it was done intentionally because the xbone version is just that bad that you would be able to tell the differences between the versions from a youtube video,or because the xbone version isn't complete.I really don't care.But everything MS do from now on will scrutinized by gamers and such, and they really brought it upon themselves, so for that I say once again.Don't care lol.
"CNET suggested that it could be Ubisoft's mistake by giving the same unedited next-gen footage to both Microsoft and Sony. Maybe one employee mistakenly mixed the Xbox footage with the PS4's. That's a possible scenario that could have happened." everyone just ignores that possibility and the fact that we havent seen any Watch Dogs footage on any platform yet BESIDES PS4 from Ubisoft. It's all Ubi has released and been releasing, with maybe some PC? MS can't demand XB1 footage if Ubi isn't ready to show it. This is nothing but B-roll footage. Maybe MS needed it and tried to hide the buttom mappings, maybe Ubisoft tried the button mappings. You sony loyalists need to do exactly as the title says, calm down. For a system that is so unpopular and hated, i find it funny it has more articles in the headlines on N4G this week than any other platform...hate it but LOOOOVE talking about it eh? @Lukas_Japonicus "its about exposing a company that thinks its ok to lie to its customers" lol you all really sound like children who MS personally abused. I don't get it...i really don't.
lmao...i dont get it either...what does this mean? xbx fans will cancel their preorders? or the launch line up automatically looks less appealing? lol..god forbid its an error .there must always be a conspiracy somewhere..its very weird the way they read so much into everything....smh
All they need to do if they want to use PS4 footage in the future is state the game is running on the PS4 in the corner of the trailer, and then everybody’s happy.
"MS can't demand XB1 footage if Ubi isn't ready to show it." Is the game supposed to come out on the PS4 and the Xbone at the same time? If so, then there ought to be some footage by now; not to mention the fact that the game is pushed-back to 2014. "you all really sound like children who MS personally abused. I don't get it...i really don't." Well, you should by now because there's an undeniable pattern: -A gaming site using PS3 footage in lieu of 360 footage (I think it was gametrailers)at least two times that we know of -PS3 footage overly critized when flaws are apparent -FF actually being rated exactly the same or, in one case, higher than the PS3 despite inferior graphic on the 360 while NO multiplatform game on the PS3 was rated equal to it's 360 counterpart -now there's multiple examples of xbone footage being supplemented by PC and PS4 footage? The only people being abused are fans being deceived; and, not to put too fine a point on it, I don't think PS4 fans are being deceived.
"everyone just ignores that possibility and the fact that we havent seen any Watch Dogs footage on any platform yet BESIDES PS4 from Ubisoft. It's all Ubi has released and been releasing, with maybe some PC? MS can't demand XB1 footage if Ubi isn't ready to show it." that is very interesting that you say that, POSSIBILITY the XboxOne had to hold back the release of the game Watch-Dogs.....cuz it's yet to be be finish on that platform..... "interesting....."
It's never about doing something, it about getting caught! If it never would have been noticed, best believe it would have been one for the books, and passed off as authentic. Edit: We as gamers, no matter who we support have been traumatized or damaged in all sort of ways! By believing things that are not necessarily true, from those who we believe are going to be up front with us. That has led to most questioning and scrutinizing things that we are shown or told.
Most people who work in the industry, for MS for example, couldn't tell their arse from their elbow. So I'm not surprised this has happened. I'm only surprised it doesn't happen more often. The people who run MS aren't stupid. However some of the people who work for them clearly need to find a new career.
You mean it was all a honest mistake? Blame an intern? Thrown him under the bus and it's all good? Yeah, right...
@ devwan. What the hell are reading from my comment? Where did I say throw someone under the bus? I suggested they need to find a more appropriate line of work for them. The majority of the people organising these events are PR trained. Not tech. So yes, I believe it was an honest mistake. Why the fu*k would MS deliberately show PS4 footage, at a time when everything they do gets thrown back in their face? Come on think about it before typing away. Or better still, calm yourself before typing.
Microsoft knew it was PS4 gameplay and they used it for their benefit. Too many similar events have happened, for example, advertising Xbox One with a screenshot of Killzone: Shadowfall, lying that Battlefield 4 was going to be played on an actual Xbox One at PAX. (or was it Gamescom, forgot but it was really played on PC) It's the truth and there's going to be a small group of blind people always denying it. Xbox One version of Watch Dogs must either be worse or broken if Microsoft has to use PS4 footage. You can go to the corners of the internet and you wouldn't be able to find Xbox One gameplay of Watch Dogs. Maybe that's why the game got delayed, the Xbox One version must suffer from a lot of frame rate issues at 1080p or something. Putting those theories aside, fact is, the PS4 version is superior, maybe even by a lot.
@Blaze929 Wow gotta reach to 2006 to dig dirt on Sony do you? Desperate Xbot is desperate. Sony's TARGET RENDERS for Killzone 2, Uncharted, and MGS4 were pretty damn close to the final in-game products if you ask me. So please try again.
Haha, Pimp your comment made laugh so hard..
I love Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura.. I wish it would come back :(
Or It can mean that Xbone is rushed and MS is using lies, shills and spin to get through the holiday launch of Xbox One. This is not the first, second or third "mistake" that MS has made. I'm tired of all the apologist defending their every mistake and lies since Xbox One reveal.
To be fair, you were one of the MS apologists until earlier today. I'm just giving you a hard time. I agree with your comment. I too was an MS apologist until a few days ago.
MS seems to always be mistaking PC footage for 360 and XB1, why not PS4 now?
The shitstorm about this on /v/ was glorious. http://imgur.com/sEusxk5
You calm down cow.
Just another example of poor vetting. Anyway Microsoft should have checked the footage more carefully before uploading it to their YouTube page (it is something Microsoft keeps doing wrong)
They probably have some intern looking after the YouTube and Facebook pages...Lol It shouldn't happen, no argument here... But I seriously doubt it was intentional in any way
Those pesky interns yet again! They're bringing microsoft to its knees... I'm sure it was them who were responsible for the always online, DRM, check-ins, mandatory kinect, uncompetitive pricing, 360 games that became launch titles, etc. etc. It was probably an intern who thought 32MB of esram was a great idea. That and reserving a whole 10% of processing power for superfluous non-gaming gimmicks. And an intern probably decided to spout lots of cloud nonsense and came up with the whole "balance" argument. Damn those interns! LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE!!!1 And just incase anyone needs it... /s
I think devwan must be an intern somewhere and he's taking the flack for bad decisions up above in the company he works for ;-) Sure dude, XBO has its issues. However PS4 has the one major issue. Many will not see it as an issue at all and will think I'm totally mad. The PS4 is JUST a games machine! There. I said it. Its JUST a games machine! It will sell to the younger audience mostly. Guaranteed. While after the dust settles over the launch, and all the rabid fanboys are beating themselves off in their bedrooms playing Knack, the sensible crowd will see the other benefits of using the XBO in their living rooms. I expect to get disagrees through the roof and I don't give a flying fu*k. Get some!
this is, i think, the third time that MS has used PS4 footage to promote xbone...
remember them using Killzone screen shots as a reason to get an xbone lol
wow, for real? can i see any link for that ?
http://kotaku.com/microsoft... There ya go
Damage Control. M$ knew what they were doing, deceiving people as usual. Now that they got caught they're looking for an excuse.
Or it could have been an accident. We don't know who put vids up on xbox youtube channel. To bad they didn't realized the mistake before posting the vid.
What?! I...I can't...I don't know how excuses to defend and support M$FT are pulled out of asses, thin air, outer space, etc. Just WOW!
Bingo..why else would they take the video down. Man mircosoft sux I bet watchdogs got delayed now cause of there cable box for a console
With drive club delayed a day after... Maybe its Sony's fault? Lol.. If that seems ridiculous to you, maybe rethink your comment
The fact they blacked out the button prompts speaks absolute volumes. This was a deliberate and conscious deceit on their part. Shame on them.
This old video is plastered all over the internet as console-neutral next-gen gameplay footage. Ubisoft recorded, cut, and edited the entire video and released it to the industry with the button prompts blacked out. Check YouTube if you don't believe me. How is it deliberate and conscious deceit to share a video that is given to you with the button prompts blacked out and thus no actual indication as to its console of origin?
"How is it deliberate and conscious deceit to share a video that is given to you with the button prompts blacked out and thus no actual indication as to its console of origin?" Putting the video on an "official" channel tends to make people think it's that systems gameplay. And seeing as games are coming out with a difference in resolution, showing the best footage available which happens to be not on your system doesn't tend to sit well with people. With their track record of late, if they are not told its from their system, it might be in their best idea to not put it on their "official" channel. Throw in that they've passed off PC footage of games as their own (xbone), run games at 1080p with Nvidia graphics cards for different gaming events (which said games had resolution reduced shortly after for the real console version), and hell, that they passed off a picture of KZ: SF as their own game, not looking too well... Either they're really really dumb, or deliberately lying to people.
The assumptions you make are nobody fault.. The game is on Xbox.. There is no deceit there.. And why do you people always get selective memory when it comes to this crap? Ps4 games were run on PCs too.. Just like 360 and ps3 before them I guess people see what they want to see.. When you want them to be made out as liars, you can find a way to make it look that way.. The same way I can ignore what doesn't fit my argument and make sony out to be just as bad or worse
I find it very strange indeed as most if not all footage I ever saw released or posted officially by or on behalf of Microsoft ALWAYS had the XBox logo and/or controls details in the footage! How did a Multi $billion company conveniently slip up this time? Also if it was a so called error Why oh Why did M$ not yet upload a correct version with and apology by now? Maybe such footage or at least a decent copy of eXB0Ne footage does not even exist?
N4rc..drive club is by a pretty new ip. I basically said right away to my friends during e3...watch them delay it..and sure enough they did. The game is ment to look pretty. I'm not putting stock in a driving game.
I smell lawsuits
from who lol? What delusional world do you live in?
Not the same one as you or christcolus, MS could stab you both in the face and you would think it was a good thing for the gaming industry lol
The pre-orders of the Xbox One have increased 857% since Microsoft changed the box design: http://i.imgur.com/SHR46FU....
at first i was like "WTF?!" then i saw the pic and drop of my chair laughing you trolled me big time
EVERYONE look at his picture...its a joke!!! and quite funny
Seriously asking: Has Sony ever made a mistake like this? Some PR firm that was working for them? The only time I've heard about this is when it was in "favor" of MS like Square messing up with FF13 footage or a comparison video Gametrailers once did. If such things happen rarely yet often, then there has to be at least once instance of 360 footage being shown off as PS3.
Yes, they mistakenly used PGR3 footage a few times when promoting some of their products. http://www.1up.com/news/son... http://www.blogcdn.com/www.... http://www.ign.com/articles...
Can't help but notice in that each of those stories its MS directly reporting those.
Actually MS didn't "report" to any news sites on any of those. Major Nelson put up the first one on his flickr as a friendly jab at Sony and other sites picked up on it. The second one was discovered by TeamXbox which is not an official Microsoft forum and is run by IGN.
hats off to you sir..