WhatIfGaming writes: "We were waiting and waiting on a reply from Rockstar Games in relation to the recent PAL and NTSC leaks of the GTA IV, and finally we have an answer."
Whats wrong with people. You'd think GTA was the first game put on torrent.
ya pirates are dl'ing the game for their modded 360's but it will still sell in the millions...
Thats not my point. EVERY game of any quality is available on torrent before you know it. Why do we have to publicize GTA so much? I personally don't care about sales, but if you do, these stories just advertise the torrent and that has probably resulted in them lossing more sales.
FishyFingers: ... it isn't just GTA that is getting attention for pirating. That is a dimmed view of the problem as a whole. GTA is getting current publicity because it is a huge title that wasn't even released yet and a copy was available on the net. This is a Global problem that will in the end affect everyone. The countries that safe-harbour these websites due to lack of governmental regulations should be ashamed. Oh, and that little regulation everyone was so behind after 9-11 that allows the government to spy on every little communication there is should be exploited to enforce our country's regulations regarding this matter which is fines and jail time. It is a simple matter for ISP's to log who accesses certain illegal websites... and this matter is not covered as any freedom in the constitution. They monitor child porn websites.... why not this. People keep breaking the law to a certain extent and think that there will be no repercussions... keep on doing it.... the government always steps in to restrict us when the corporations start complaining enough.
should be shot by the firing squad.
You take things far to personal. It doesnt need to get that deep. People steal games, movies, music etc, yes it's wrong but there are bigger things going on in the world. Things that might actually effect you. Maybe its wrong of me, but personally, I couldn't give two hoots about the developer losing some money, they should have made coping the games more difficult in the first place, its not like they didn't know the problem existed. Im sure the top brass at R* hardly mind when they're driving home to their mansions in their Farrari's.
Oh that's convenient Fishy.... yes what is wrong with stealing a game here or there when there are people dying over oil and the country harbouring all that oil isn't paying a cent to defend it. That is the beauty of logic... you can twist it to justify anything in your mind. Could care less if you download the game, movies, etc... but it is wrong and you are wrong trying to say it doesn't affect us who actually pay for the game. We are the ones who will in the end have to pay higher prices. And you know as well as I do that it is virtually impossible to copy protect a game, movie, etc forever. Everything is hackable with current tech. And by the way, I didn't get my Porsche by stealing it.
ps3 is not hacked yet, but with the 360 already hacked some years ago i think many people will download it, were ps3 owners will have to buy it,i was reading an article today about how pirating games can massively damage the industry but also the original game r expansive, especially for the not rich countries! well i think now developers will focus more on ps3 since it hasnt been hacked yet! i think this game deserves every cent spent on it, but i will never buy a game in this gen that is less than 10GB in size, maybe GTA4 is the only exception! EDIT i didnt know it was on torrents until i saw it here, well if i had a 360 i would really hold on buying the game and see if the torrent one is perfect or not! its always nice to have free games no??
So Time Lord I should be killed because I downloaded fallout 1 (11 years old) Today? Isnt that a litte harsh ?
Fishy Fingers, you obviously have no comprehension of the Take Two financial situation. Yes piracy is rampant... edit: never mind opinions mean nothing on this site.
No, I get what you and others are saying, but I'll put my financial situation before R*'s, a company offered 2 billion only to turn it down. Yeah I can see why me not being sympathetic is being frowned upon. I'm actually buying the PS3 version, and are not even considering DL'ing it, I've got MGO tomorrow so I dont mind the wait. But I really think some people really are blowing this out of proportion, I don't remember people getting upset about Halo 3 being on torrent, or Gears, or any other 360 game.
I has been ages since I've read something as ignorant as "I won't buy any games this generation that are under 10GB" considering 95%+ of the games that are out/will be out this generation--not to mention most of the good games--tend to take less than 10GB of space.
let me tell u something before calling what i said arrogant, the last time i bought a game was several years ago, i think it was onimusha 2, so am not hardcore gamer, and i think 60-70 Euro per game is f**king expansive for a game that will last some hours of game play(with the exception of GTA4) and when i finish a game i never play it again even metal gear sold thats the type of person i am, so if i am going after many years to buy a game it better be a game that is FULL of data!! DVDs dont work on me, i can get these games on PC on torrents, but if the game was so big and worth of days of non-stop gameplay then it is worth my money, GTA4 is bigger than GTA san andreas only in 2GB?? what the hell am i paying for?? i dont work yet and still a student i get enough money for living from my parents! before telling people how arrogant they r think of all type of people that exist on this planet! i think i will wait for PC version of GTA4 to come and get it from torrents since its a small game!! "considering 95%+ of the games that are out/will be out this generation--not to mention most of the good games--tend to take less than 10GB of space." well for u to know i didnt buy any of these 95+% games!!
They shouldn't worry to much, I'm sure many people will wanna buy this one.
But there's like 18k leechers of it, and probably more by now. It's a little over excessive.
I can't even comprehend that many people having modded 360's. Thats a huge number. Conservative estimate of 36,000 people downloading, and no way to play without mod chip... daaaaaaammmnnn
I really doubt that there's that many modded 360s, too. I bet a lot of people are downloading it just because they can (because they are, like all of us, waiting impatiently for the release date). Others are probably downloading it not realizing that they need a modded 360 to use it. In the world of computers, you can always expect plenty of n00bs.
1,079,100 dollars = 18,000 X 59.95...... thats a lotta dimp
Try like * 49.99 or something around that, for licensing fees and stocking fees, etc.
I'm talking total revenue lost, game stores r* etc
thats just one tracker m8 there are hundreds sharing the game right now...
"It's difficult"... That's right.... And guess who you're making downloadable content for? The same people who are ripping you off right now. Sad world isn't it? Sad how the 360 game gets leaked so fast, and onto Torrents no less, so much earlier than expect, we're practically a week away from the street date.
no, modders get banned from Xbox Live, so they won't be able to download the additional content.
I find it amazing that anyone who loves games could do this to the developers who put so much time and money into making a piece of art that brings enjoyment (usually) to so many fans. I have read on many sites how some allegedly admitted downloaders rationalize their stance on downloading the game... some from just being cheap and wanting to steal a copy to some who actually try to rationalize it by stating that the game companies charge too much and are still making a fortune. How much money they make off a game is of no consequence to us for they are putting a lot of effort into these projects and they cost millions to produce and some take years to develop. People are free to do as they do as they always will... but this is a portion of society that I just cannot understand. And before you start griping ... no I have never copied a song, movie, etc that I have paid for the actual medium it is on and given it to others. Such items are for my home alone as they should be. Granted ... it is very tempting to just cop a copy of something without paying for it... but it is wrong. What if you were a programmer and worked a year on developing a game.... and right before release a copy was stolen from you somehow and spread like a virus over the internet. How pissed would you be? MS and Sony need to get off their butts and try to find a way to detect these copied games and modded consoles and shut them down.
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Wow so they lose a million in revenue, any game is in danger of that. They'll make 400-500 times the amount they may lose from such a torrent anyway. Big deal.
Meus... having read your articles over time... I would have expected a little more ethics from you... WOW... guess I was wrong. Yeah...guess you are right... what is wrong with stealing a million dollars from a company.... try going into a bank and doing it. Oh boo hoo.... disagree all you like.... it is still theft and usually it is a bunch of whiny, jobless teens or young adults who are doing this who need to be put in prison so they don't have to worry about their next meal or lover.
I'm not implying it is wrong but for Rockstar to come out and try to win a sympathy vote by saying "we wanted people to support us", are you telling the massive paycheck they'll be getting in a few weeks wont be enough supporting? Any game would be pirated, its a little naive to assume that one particular wont be. GTA is one of those great games that should be shown appreciation by the gesture of actually buying it, to improve quality in future iterations but come on - they'll lose a million in revenue yet will generation $500million atleast in lifetime sales. They would leave them with 499million. OMG How dare people?! lol
No one is referring to just this game so if you want to bring poor judgement into the picture for someone whom a lot of people follow for gaming news and trust...go ahead. You as a contributor should uphold a certain amount of ethics in what you write (type). But I guess since you are behind just a user name with a certain amount of anonymity... ethics truly are not your forte'. You are very eloquent and always have been as I have seen how you try to reword and twist anything to your advantage; however, no one mentioned Rockstar specifically. Do I feel sympathy for them... no... they are a huge company making huge profits. Do I want to steal a copy for myself just because they are driving to their mansions at the end of the day... no. Some people do have morals and despite everything you try to twist around to make it sound as if you were just misheard or misunderstood... to parade around laughing or bemusing people committing felonies is wrong. I work my *ss off to get everything I have in this world because I like nice things and I love my gaming hobby... but I WILL never steal to get them. Pirating is a huge problem (inevitable as it is) ; but since that is the case, from what you and others say... that makes it alright.
The 360 version has THAT many seeders and leachers??I haven't seen the Ps3 version online,I wonder why...
superior hardware m8 its not cracked yet and hopefully never will b.
I...I don't know how you managed to fail so hard like that, but sure enough you did it. A slow clap for you Jason.
thats a good thing smartass, that means the PS3 is more hack-proof.....and even if it was hacked, you'd still have to buy a blu-ray disc writer(and their very costly i might add)
Maybe because PS3 isn`t hacked yet? =)))
steal cheat fight whenever you can thats how i see it the world is a nice place its wrong but nothing most of us can do about it and im not going to pirate a game thats just cruel. we can't really call our selfs gamers if we pirate
Its like you save up for a ps3 and some one steals it.........Not nice since you work hard for it for someone to steal it.........games development cost a huge amount of money.......And new ips cost more.....so its like a virus it drains investment which efects game development......which will it turn come round and efect us in what could be a great game turning into a poor game....
Not really like saving money for a PS3...
Compared to to the 8,000,000+ people that will be buying the game retail... I know it's bad to pirate but every game get;s it's treatment of pirating and this is not a game that would go overlooked. WHen compared to the number of retail sales this game is going to get, the pirating is nearly insignificant and should have been a factor in their financial reports. Pirating is like death and taxes - it's inevitable.
I'm sure a lot of the people downloading it just want to play it early and will buy the full version when it's released. Or maybe I'm just being an idealist
They did make it difficult, Sony is calling it Blu-Ray. Now Microsoft needs to swing their ban hammer all over XBL.
if the 360 used HDDVD/Blu-Ray, this would be MUCH less of a problem
Alls I know is, my ratio is super now.
Piracy is another reason for the downfall of Xbox 360. Developers make games to make money. If each and every Xbox 360 game is subject to piracy, then developers will naturally be turned off due to halted sales and slow profit results. The inevitable resolution to this is most, if not all games will be developed for PLAYSTATION® 3. If leaked early, Gears of War 2 will undoubtedly see massive torrent downloads and could detract multiple millions of buyers from purchasing the game. Thereby leaving Gears of War 2 to see a superior port on PLAYSTATION® 3. $niper
has been going on with the 360 for over a year now and the games still sell like crazy and it still beats the PS3 and Wii in games sold. Just shows you how much 360 gamers buy games. The PS3 will have it's turn soon. You can already download every single PS3 game released, it's only a matter of time before the lock is picked.
You do know piracy effects the PS3 as well don't you? Just head on over to piratebay or isohunt and have a look see :) http://thepiratebay.org/sea... it's also a place to download PS3 hacks that you Droids claim don't exsist.
Jason 360. No s*it games are up for download on the ps3... Did you not read the comment above yours???? Even though you can torrent them, you can't play them. So piracy does not effect the ps3....YET
Homebrew is one of the greatest underground black markets of gaming. It's the reason why Dark Sniper honestly admits that Xbox is the best homebrew console of it's time. Even it had upgradable hard drives and you could place games from NES to arcade and even Playstation 1. PSP is the second best homebrew machine. As usual, you can leave it up to Microsoft to produce a machine that is INFERIOR to the original. But once again, Sony has future proofed themselves to ensure that Piracy will not be a determining factor in PLAYSTATION® 3 sales. Dark Sniper appreciates this kind of support. $niper
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Just because i can find a video of jessica simpsons breasts on the internet does not mean that her breasts are on the internet. Most of those videos are fake and the ones that are real show that they cant get games to play yet. It is not possible to play downloaded games on the ps3 yet.
So what the game was pirated they are looking at making 400 million in week one and the developers don't see 5% of that so I don't feel sorry for them!!!! Do you want some Cheese with your Wine!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
What makes Rockstar so sure that the leechers aren't willing to support their efforts? They could just be impatient and wanting to play it now. If they like it, they could buy it. I dunno. I know I'm not about to download it, though. I can wait and I can pay.
Every torrent has this file rarred. Anyone seen the size unrarred?
Exact size 7,835,492,352 bytes. G:\Videos and movies\Grand_Theft_Auto_IV_MUL TI5_PAL_READNFO_XBOX360-iCON
It is wrong but i am with the guy up top, this is not the first game or media for that matter to be pirated. Rockstar should have waited to send there shipments and make you guys wait til tuesday but they want to capitalize on money and being greedy sometimes bites you in the ass. Where was all this attention when Halo 3 got released early, damn at least that was a microsoft game. It just boils down to supply and demand. The hell with the ones that got the game pirated cause they can't even play multiplayer. Who the hell are you going to share the game with when you are the only one playing it. P.s. that seeder and leecher numbers are B.S. too cause there is NO WAY THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE MODDED 360. Get **^*^%$ real, that is about as believable as the story with the fake letter from the CEO from Rockstar giving permission to break the street date.
You have to be kidding me right?
i believe in Russia, Ukraine and other countries in that region have 70-80% x360 modded there. )) So, 18k isn`t really that big number.. there could be over hundred i believe. ) well, it`s normal, when your monthly income is = 4 games price, so naturally you will buy food, clothes, but not spend those money on games. ) unless you think, that people there don`t wanna play games, even if they can`t afford them. =)
18,000 CURRENT modded Xboxs and they ping test each and every one of our azz everyday, like is said "Get (*^&(&^( Real"
Sandip to Pirates: "you're [email protected]"
XBOX HAS TO GO AND RUIN IT AGAIN
Oh please i reckon there is more modded x360s than any of u realise. When Halo 3 was released early there was 50k+ dling the game on only a couple of public torrents. And don't forget all the private torrent sites that require strict registration. I bet there is up to 100k+ dling GTA4 now. Its not just PC thats pirated. All consoles have been pirated except from PS3 as yet. it is pretty easy to mod an xbox360 and updated cracked firmware are released all the time. When a console becomes a pc in a box u get pirated like a pc in a box.
So to everyone that's kinda wishy washy on the whether or not 18000+ people are downloading the game is bad or not, it's still early, and the only limit to that number is the number of people with modded xboxes. So lets say 40,000 people had mod chips installed, and hypothetically rockstar gets $30 dollars from each sale, (maybe less, maybe more), that's 1.2 million dollars that they won't have to put into GTA5, or any other game. Money is a pretty big factor in determining the timeline for a game, it can bring development to a standstill, even get projects shelved altogether. Have I downloaded emulators, and old games? yes. Was it wrong? Yeah, probably, but most of them I have anyway, just the old systems I played them on have bit the dust. But bootlegging a game before it even hits the streets, although pretty sweet an idea, hurts every single one of us in the long run.
this all could have been avoided or significantly slowed down. IF the game only came out for the ps3. If rockstar decided to utilize the ps3's capabillities they(pirates) wouldnt be able to pirate the game. the reason i say that is if rockstar had taken advantage of the ps3 the game would have been (hopefully) ATLEAST 25 gb wit also a harddrive install. now dont get me wrong 25 gb is alot of space and doesnt mean ppl will not try and download it but it would be much harder to download 25 than 9. rockstar had this coming when they designed the game for multiple systems if they had only stayed faithful to sony this may not have happened or have happened in a much smaller dose. sorry about the rambling and the english mistakes and all but this how i see it. dont get me wrong rockstar doesnt deserve this punishment. they worked so hard and they get screwed over. obvously its ppl to blame but that how human nature is becoming i guess???? BAHHHH im going crazy
They might lose 2-3 million dollars in revenue. They are gaining : 50 million off MS Approximately 2X user base I dont see where in your logic R* are being punished for having a multiplat game. I agree that the game probably could have been bigger/better if it was ps3 exclusive, but to say rockstar are worse off for having gone multiplat is retarded.
Their just like microsoft; They want to quickly play the game b4 any1 else (Microsoft wanted to release their console quickly b4 any1 else) but however this event has shown rockstar the type of fanboys their dealing with so hopfully they will realise not to release a game ever again for the 360
Well look at it this way, if EA ends up buying Take-Two. Guess who's on top of the blame list. In fact that is the ONLY reason that this story should warrant any interest.
so they're not in that bad of a situation.. (plus the other i don't know how many millions more they're gonna make) and i do understand that a lot of devs brake their backs and get under a lot of stress.. but you know what.. there's a lot of devs out there who really really try hard.. in making their games look great.. ex.. Infinity Ward, Epic, Insomniac, and you know what when i see GTA4 i see a very average game and them knowing that it would sell millions didn't put that much effort into the game like other devs, so don't get all teary eyed when not every gamer puts all their effort into buying your game.. i am gonna buy the game, my point it's just that i am a little recentful with R* cause with all the money they're gonna make they could've come up with some better graphics
So basically what you're saying is that since Microsoft paid them for some exclusive content that bought people a free pass to steal the game? That's like saying since your taxes paid for the police cruisers you should be able to go grab one.. Since they've already gotten what you think is enough money they don't deserve to have their product paid for? That's ludacris, not to mention the fact that all these people not only didn't pay for the game, they're playing it before people that are paying for it can.. and how many more copies do you think will be online? If half the people that want it were to bootleg it what would be Rockstar's insentive to ever make another game?
freaking dumbass... your typical very little short span drama queen, i am gonna buy the game, but my point was that R* didn't put enough effort into the game. So i'm not disgusted by some people downloading the torrent. it's worthless to try to explain to these 14 y/o readers anyways.. i have my own business and if you don't bust your ass and give the best you can then don't cry when you don't get paid the same as if you would've given your best.. that's my point
The game has it's own visual style, and had they changed it any more than they already did they would have been criticized for changing the look of the game. I never implied that you were going to bootleg a copy, simply said that by saying "Well Mcrst already paid them $ 50,000.000.00 so they're not in that bad of a situation.", and they "didn't put that much effort into the game", that you're insinuating that they're getting what they deserve. When the fact of the matter is they've just had at least a million dollars stolen from them, which is in effect what has happened. Take a deep breath and relax, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make it the end of the world.