Xbox One Dev Capy Games “No ESRAM Bottlenecks”

The dev behind Super Time Force and the Xbox One title Below talks about Capy Games' time with the Xbox One hardware

[theBAWSE]

who do they think they are fooling? honestly

[Enemy]

The actual quote.

“Look, we’re not pushing polygon counts like a lot of the big devs. We’re likely not taking the hardware to it’s breaking point with Below. It took us quite a while to make our way through all of the documentation, but we’ve really enjoyed working on the Xbox One platform. We’ve had no ESRAM bottlenecks.”

Look at their game, lol. Gee, I wonder why they're not having ESRAM bottlenecks.

[theBAWSE]

this new generation gamers are soo clued up that when you read bull you actually think... this isn't 2006..the PR bull won't work now..

I don't think it's the issue that the xbone is weaker it's the issue that the PR crew haven't realised it's nearly 2014..information is everywhere, don't try fool us it just breeds anger (Albert realised that on neogaf and twitter), be straight with us and we will respect you for that.

even the most hardened xbox fanboys must cringe when they see headlines like this

[NewMonday]

this game can run on the Super Nintendo, so that's not saying much.

[Mr Pumblechook]

Well said. The fanboy title of the article is click bait. The indie developer is basically saying that their game is not one that pushes the hardware so they haven't encountered such bottlenecks.

However when you have developers of triple-A games saying that they have Non Disclosure Agreements from talking about the spec differences then you know something suspicious is going on.

http://www.dualshockers.com...

[MasterCornholio]

I'm guessing that a lot of indie developers won't run into bottlenecks on the Xbox One due to their games not containing a complex level of visuals.

Nexus 7 2013

[Dehnus]

@TheBawse:
Or you overreact and there is really no bottleneck relating to ESRAM. There are always bottlenecks, yes also in the PS4, as when you remove a bottleneck something else will prevent the system from being faster, it is a never ending cycle as the perfectly balanced system doesn't exist (It also depends on your code for instance).

That said I can see that ESRAM in itself is not the bottleneck, it is really a little patch on the bandwidth wound that the Xbox One has. The bottleneck is somewhere else, like the bandwidth to the DDR3 memory.

Do not confuse "ease of development" with bottlenecks. Many developers stated that ESRAM makes it harder to develop rather then easier, this is not a bottleneck though, it just means that the actual bottleneck is hard to avoid because ESRAM is a pain to use as a fix for that bottleneck.

As for your "Oh be honest with us we are sooo enlightened" remark: Bullshit, if you demand the actual architect of the hardware to come on GAF or you throw a tantrum? Then you are entitled! As that is what they did and demanded.

That man and his peers are busy enough at Sony, MS and even still at Nintendo. The former 2 have a big console launch coming up and they just can't spare the time, even talking to Mister Panello (is that how you spell his name?) would already be a "Waste of time for them right now". Even after the launch of a console, these people keep busy. They are building and helping to build the tools, so they improve what they already build before the launch and even already think about the next machine. So at Nintendo these people are also still very busy.

They really just don't have time to write on a self entitled bunch of Sony Pony's webpage named "NeoGaf" and to hear over and over again "LOL YOU ARE A FAILURE! <Insert randome meme + Gif animation of Kaz Hirai >". While they try their best to explain why they designed the hardware as they did (It isn't as easy as the GAF experts think it is).

So weather it is a Sony, MS or Nintendo engineer, they really have better things to do then to bother with forums. If they do show up on those forums then you should be quiet and listen. Until they are done... after that you can tear their claims apart with the utmost scrutiny!

As for NeoGaf itsself, no matter who talked to them they would have started a circlejerk. One of their mods is a rabid Sony Pony and kicked everybody that had a positive Xbox view as a "shil". Even those that just said "Well let's just wait and see". There is thus no way a message with a hardware architect would have gone respectful and serious there. It would have been one big circle jerk of Cerny Gifs, "DAT BALANCE!" and "Have you seen titan fall". While each person trying to ask a question or having a discussion from a non biased or XBOT stance would be banned.

So in short: Mister Panello didn't try to :"fool" you, I think he genuinely tried to be a good representative and repeated what was told to him. But the people telling him what the machine does and why, are very busy. Even to talk with him. Sadly the man got the wrong information or misunderstood what was said. That is no crime, that happens.

PS: Mister Cerny is no Hardware Architect. The man is brilliant the man is a fantastic game designer, but I'm talking about the people that work on the chips themselves, their power usage and thermal footprint. They are the ones where Mister Cerny tells what he wants and make it happen. The same goes for Microsoft.

So I have a lot of respect for those people from any camp.

[Volkama]

We've had weeks and months of barely known indie devs saying how powerful and easy the PS4 is and I don't think I've seen any of you posting the same dismissive remarks in those articles.

What's different about this one?

[christocolus]

@enemy

dude for real? still spreading your bias across more xbx articles? really?

[mewhy32]

"Capy isn’t going to be looking to create absurdly crisp, photorealistic visuals"

No wonder their not having any bottlenecks. This article posting was just a desperate attempt to try and put some desperate spin on the inferiority of the xbone that we've been reading about for weeks now.

[UltimateMaster]

Xbox One fans will rejoice.
An indie game that could have run perfectly on the SNES will also run flawlessly on the Xbox One without bottlenecks.
XD

Seriously, it's almost like they are admitting they are running into bottlenecks.

[GraveLord]

Yeah, title is misleading.

[Eonjay]

The bottleneck is exactly 32MB in size.

[bornsinner]

@theBAWSE they are trying to fool the typical sony fanboy since specs is always on their mind they forgot that a pc can do circles round a ps4

[Enemy]

That post makes no sense.

[reko]

@sinner

but you play on xbox..?

[MysticStrummer]

"they forgot that a pc can do circles round a ps4"

I can only speak for myself, but as a confirmed PS fanboy I never forgot that PC is more powerful. I just don't care, because I've tried PC gaming more than once and it wasn't for me.

[Bathyj]

Mystic, that's what irritates the pc elite. We know it's more powerful, but we just don't care.

[Ju]

Hm..."PC"...hey, I got a PC...it must run 1080p@60...[voice of Spongebob] - two minutes later: Damn, can't get a stable frame rate. Let me switch this off, and this. Oh, lets "configure" the visual settings. Oh, and that damn controller doesn't work. Ok, why is that damn button on that key....

You mean, something like that?

Hm...PS4: Insert Disk. Play. (or select game and play - if you have a digital version). Done

[AndrewLB]

Yea. You just don't care... until the first opportunity to make outlandish claims about how (insert game name here) beats out the PC version or how "is just as good".

[GribbleGrunger]

This is the same developer that said on a recent gametrailers Bonus Round that the X1 was the place to go for Indie games.

[Volkama]

Give it a year or two and it may well be as far as consoles go. It's not about to overtake iOS or Android platforms though.

[mkis007]

Seeings how a lot of indies just feel burned by MS, I don't see them chomping at the bit to go back there. Sony had been courting them for a long time, and Ms just didn't care until their policies changes all of a sudden. it wasn't even a gradual change. It was just, oh ok today we are liking indies again.

[LordMaim]

Ah, so a shill. We should sit him down with all the other indie developers that are fleeing from Microsoft with the exact opposite story.

[GamersRulz]

They are talking about their game, very simple indie game. so their statement is not far from true.

[LordMaim]

True, agreed. But still misleading.

[christocolus]

@thebawse

definitly not you, but what does it matter to you and your like?you aint getting the xbx one so whats your deal with being so ignorant and trolling every xbx article?...leave it to the xbx fans to worry about it and do yourself a favor and stop being a busy body....yourself and enemy etc cant just help yourselves from being so pathetic, you are some of the wprst ive seen.. does it hurt you so much to see any good news on the xbx side? dude grow up and if you have nothing meaningful to contribute then get the hell out of xbx comment sections and put more attention into your ps articles...you guys are so full of bs......damn.

[TristanPR77]

That kind of article is targeted to fool xbox fanboys. Everyone else on the Internet knows they are lying. With numerous reports from different websites speaking about ESRAM bottlenecks this article seems to be for damage control.

[DOMination-]

Honestly, I believe some professional developers with devkits know a lot more than a troll on a games forum who has almost certainly zero knowledge on the subject at hand

[AirHype]

Duh... It's like saying you have a high-end GPU if you can run Minecraft. lol

[MRMagoo123]

I get what you mean and i agree ...............but minecraft can crash any video card given enough tnt blowing up at once lol

[staticdash22]

Misleading title. This is about Below specifically not having bottlenecks due to it not being taxing on the hardware. A Developer pushing the hardware would experience bottlenecks. This is common knowledge, the writer obviously trying to pour out the fire.

[MRMagoo123]

lol its not even closs to getting the straws its trying to grasp , xboners really are desperate it seems huh.

[jackanderson1985]

it's not really... they're an xbox one dev called capy games and they've had no esram bottlenecks

[Hicken]

It IS misleading, because the title would have you believe that no bottlenecks exist, rather than that this one developer hasn't run into a bottleneck, yet.

[GamerXD]

Below got lame graphics.

[MRMagoo123]

Hey im making a text based rpg on the xbox one im only using 128k of memory but i havent seen any bottlenecks with the ram yet lmfao.

[TheKingWilliamV]

I'll just leave this right here...

http://pictures.picasion.co...

[Pascalini]

Forza 5 1080p 60fps

Enough said

[TheKingWilliamV]

Forza 5 1080p 60 fps yet it has No Night Time Driving, No Weather Effects and No Tire Burn Out.

mean while GTA 5 has all this except 1080p 60fps on an older console hmmmm

[bleedsoe9mm]

DLC

[mkis007]

"This February, get your night time driving pack from Turn-10 at the low cost of $5. Race like the pros do...at night!!"

[DOMination-]

Jaguar XJ220 on the amiga had that in 1992. That means GT5 is a terrible game because it didn't have it yet a 20 year old game did

Half Life 2 doesn't have weather effects. Lets make sure everybody knows so they can rescind their goty for 2004.

Or maybe Turn10 just didn't think about having weather or night time in their game.. or decided their time was better spent making the car part of the car game as good as it can be.

[GuruMeditation]

It's a driving game. Which means it's only a stones throw from being on-rails. On rails games use less resources for pretty much everything, so of course they can pump that extra horsepower into 1080/60. Not saying x1 won't be able to achieve this res/ref on other genres, just that driving games are a shonky example at best.

[mkis007]

People forget that the same is true for any simulation, hence nba, ufc, and madden being the same on both. Bet you anything the frame rate sticks better though on a certain version of those games.

[GentlemenRUs]

Just a bait article, Nothing more.

Also, Did anyone see C(r)apy and not capy? Who names themselves that :P

[QuantumWake]

The title of this article obviously was meant to stir some s*** up. They have already admitted that their game isn't taxing on hardware so of course they haven't ran into some bottlenecks with the system. They enjoy working on the Xbox One and that's that.

Ensue the 200+ comments trashing Capybara games and the title they're developing. -__-

[wishingW3L]

N4G after all.

[ps360s]

yep, extreme fanboys right!

[GuruMeditation]

And midgets have no problem with low ceilings. Your point?

[LordMaim]

I am an awful person for laughing at that, but laugh I did.

[MightyNoX]

No Always Online Requirement
No removal of DRM
No difference in power with the PS4
No difference in Resolutions between PS4 and X1 versions of COD and BF4

Intended Audience: Derp, you've fooled me 1,981 times already. But I'm certain, CERTAIN you're telling the truth this time :D

[jackdaniels]

that'll show them, nice one

[ufo8mycat]

Developer makes a pac-man style game for XBONE - "No ESRAM bottlenecks"

Yeah no kidding. If you develop a game which doesn't have the most technical of graphics - of course you ain't going to run into bottlenecks.

[bornsinner]

@MysticStrummer says he's wants the best graphics, then says he's not into pc gaming. http://www.reactionface.inf...

[boeso]

M$ you didn't prioritise the gamer now its time to pay for it.

They'll do anything to keep your preorder guys, even lie to you. Please don't let them.

[DejectedJeff]

nice to see more sony hyporcrisy. an indie dev says something good about the xbox one, NOPE, JUST AN INDIE DEV. but they say something good about ps4...
http://n4g.com/news/1376553...
look, im not even an xbox fanboy. but this is getting ridiculous.

[Hicken]

stupid double posting...

[Hicken]

-sigh- No.

First off: the title is for hits, since what the developer said is being taken out of context.

Second: Who dismissed them as JUST an indie dev? If anything, they were "dismissed" because their game isn't graphically intensive. Which they, themselves, admit.

"We’re likely not taking the hardware to it’s breaking point with Below."

Nobody is rejecting the developer and their opinions outright. They're rejecting how what they said has been twisted to mean something they didn't intend.

And that something is a lie, which is the real problem.

[neoandrew]

Then let's ask any PC gamer if he would buy a GPU with DDR3 for gaming...

[ATiElite]

I'm a PC Gamer and to answer your question:

YES I would if it was a GPU I needed! DDR3 GPU's are still made today and even with AMD's R9 series some GPU's use DDR3

Granted most of these GPU's are for super slim super energy efficient and no noise producing HTPC or are in Laptops.

Nvidia GT750m is a Mobile GPU that can run BF4 on high settings and it uses DDR3.

DDR3 is NOT the XB1 problem, ESram is NOT the XB1 problem.

The XB1 problem is it's WEAK Gaming GPU.

[neoandrew]

WEAK GPU, and ever more weak because of ddr3.

NO ONE buys ddr3 GPU for pc gaming, the difference ddr3 vs gddr5 in pc gpu can be about 50-80% in performance.

Just check the tests.

[TristanPR77]

U remember the xbox community, when indies developers were praising the PS4, that they don't have the right to speak. So using the same xbox fanboy logic, this indi developer doesn't have the right to speak anything so shut up.

[LEOPARD1030]

DDR3 + ESRAM + Weak GPU = Bottlenecks.

[quenomamen]

Coming from a Dev who's last game ran on gameboy.

[jacksjus]

This dude clearly makes nickel slot machine games and he calls him a reliable source? Lmao!
This all has to stop now. Just let it all go, buy what you want for whatever reason you want and be happy. It's your money in the end.

[XboxFun]

I love that the sony fan brigade made it a mission to come in to this article and make sure that they are all still on board with the ESRAM bottleneck.

Not only that but most comments have to make fun of the developer and the actual game.

More proof at the pure insecurities of some of the folks on N4G.

The title is misleading because the SDF more than ever wants the ESRAM bottleneck issue to stay relevant even though it has already been proven that both EA and Activision rushed their games out to market.