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Mark Rubin: Carmack and Mikami "a Bit Inaccurate" on PS4 and Xbox One Being Almost Identical

Call of Duty: Ghosts Producer Mark Rubin was interviewed today by Metro, and the interview took a rather weird turn as he was asked about the difference between Xbox One and PS4, with Rubin and a PR representative almost literally at a loss for words, and not because they didn’t want to respond.

Interestingly enough, Rubin mentioned that he thinks John Carmack and Shinji Mikami are "a bit inaccurate" when saying that the two platforms are almost identical. He also mentioned that he doesn't know if the power gap will ever close. (John Carmack, Mark Rubin, PS4, Shinji Mikami, Xbox One)

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allformats  +   417d ago
That was a very telling interview.

Scroll to the part where the interviewer asks about Why the resolution of Ghosts is 1080p and PS4 and 720p on Xbox One. You'll be left with no doubt in your mind concerning which console is better.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/...
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ZodTheRipper  +   417d ago
This statement plus the fact that one version of his game runs in twice the resolution than the other is enough information for me.
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abzdine  +   417d ago
he actually told more than he thought.
this is getting fun!
rambi80  +   417d ago
Wow. i can't believe he said that at this point in time. They are such a core part of the xbox experience.

I get the feeling that there is some bad blood between MS and quite a few Pubs/Devs.
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loulou   417d ago | Trolling | show
Freedomland  +   417d ago
Well nothing else to say now.
The ship has sailed, war has been won.
mewhy32  +   417d ago | Well said
well we all knew that the PS4 was at least 50% more powerful than the xbone. why is everyone so surprised about how this is turning out?
EXVirtual  +   417d ago
@mewhy, because they were thinking that the power of the cloud and the dGPU misterXmedia was yammering on about were legit.

Aside from that, people were convinced that the specs on the paper didn't mean anything in terms of real world performance.
But from seeing the interview that allformats provided, it's getting clearer and clearer by the day as to which console is better in terms of specs. Yet, they are stilling clinging to straws when it comes to the power debate. Go check MisterXMedia's blog and you'll know what I mean.
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Enemy  +   417d ago | Interesting
Carmack, Mikami, and others are paid to say both consoles are equals. They're 3rd parties after all. If they come out saying the PS4 is stronger, it'll create problems between them and Microsoft. They're supposed to lie to keep things "at balance."

For Mark Rubin to come out and say this though is surprising. Things must not be going well between Activision and Microsoft since Titanfall. They feel betrayed.
darthv72  +   417d ago
Regardless of the fine print....i dont buy systems because of their similarities. i buy them because of their differences.

such as there will be games on both that cant be experienced any other way. the keeping things quiet or making them known does not sway my decision to buy both in any way.
stuna1  +   417d ago
Exactly! No one I've heard has said that the Xbox1 won't have its benefits for what it does, for example the use of the Cloud will make matchmaking better! Dedicated servers! Online saving, and what have you. But as of now the PS4 is showing itself to be the better constructed for gaming, which is what consoles are made for! Don't misconstrue what I'm saying, this is not me saying that they can't do, and shouldn't do more! That's quite the opposite of what I'm saying. Plain and simple, the focus should be gaming first, everything else secondary! Or else the title "Gaming Consoles" really doesn't apply, now does it!?
LonDonE  +   417d ago
@rambi80
agreed, this is what i have seen saying all along its just strange the cod ghosts situation and also that destiny made by bungie who were instrumental in making the xbox a success end up coming out on stage on Sony stage and revealing the game play of their game!

Maybe Activision can see that the PS4 is going to be the market leader this gen, and also the fact that Microsoft and ea are now in bed together! maybe Activision are a little miffed at M$ for jumping into bed with ea! maybe Activision are trying to win over Playstation gamers now after giving us the short end of the stick the whole of last generation!

Cod has mostly been terrible on PS3 compared to 360, i just find it strange that a brand like call of duty which has always been advertised like a xbox exclusive, with adverts and exclusive timed dlc etc is now better on Playstation! a few years ago this would of been unheard of, no one would have believed it!

But now the way mark rubin just came out and confirmed the resolution was lower on x1 compared to ps4 was strange, and then now all this reading between the lines, he is basically saying the ps4 is the way to go without actually coming out and saying it!

Seriously Microsoft would have never allowed a rival platform to have a better version of a game! especially call of duty! they didn't allow it last gen, so what's changed this gen?

Obviously since sony and PS4 are in a much better position now, and is most likely going to be lead platform on consoles! M$ are in serious trouble i tell u!
I have a feeling activision are intentionally trying to annoy M$, its entertaining to watch!
Something strange is going on!
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johndoe11211  +   417d ago
That guy, is brave. Interesting article. I'll take his words over Carmack's because he actually developed a game for both systems whereas carmack made that statement and then admitted he really didn't get enough time to delve into the systems. Why he made the comment in the first place is beyond me.
badz149  +   417d ago
@zod18

twice the resolution? twice means 100%, try 125%!
Eonjay  +   417d ago
GC: Do you think everyone else will have these same problems? All these other cross-generational games that are out at launch?

MR: Well, I think they’ve already said they are haven’t they? Battlefield 4 is 720 on Xbox One and I think 900 on PS4? Titanfall has said they’re 720… So we’re not the first to say we’re 720 on the Xbox One

GC: No, no. So they’re all obviously hitting the same wall.

Mark Rubin: Yeah, so you’re reading that correctly in that it’s not specifically us doing something villainous. It’s a thing where all of us have to work at getting better at developing for both consoles. And that’s the fun part. I always use the analogy that the first game on a new console is always like an awkward first date, but once you know a lot more about each other it’s a lot better.
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FamilyGuy  +   417d ago
Lmao, how unexpected
The sudden tech question, not the answers.

"GC: So the obvious assumption from all this is that the PlayStation 4 is definitely more powerful than the Xbox One, is that true?

MR: [acting very embarrassed] I can’t answer that.

GC: You can’t answer it on a technical level or because you’re being diplomatic?

MR: Can’t answer that.

GC: You can’t say whether you’re avoiding the question for diplomatic reasons?

MR: [embarrassed] I just can’t say anything…

[Even the attending PR guy is looking embarrassed by this point]

PR guy: It’s very hard for us to be…

GC: Are the console manufacturers leaning on you to avoid these sort of questions?

MR: [unsure - speaking to PR guy] I don’t know if that…

MR: [even more embarrassed to us] Yeah, there’s things that we… We sign NDAs with the first parties [i.e. Microsoft and Sony - GC] and there are things that we’re not allowed to talk about.

GC: So when John Carmack and Shinji Mikami say the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are almost identical, is that something you could agree with?

MR: Hmm… I would say that’s a bit inaccurate but I wouldn’t be able to tell you any detail of why that’s inaccurate.

GC: For diplomatic reasons?

MR: Yes."
Computersaysno  +   416d ago
Dun dun dunnnnnnnn!

Microsoft don't want developers spilling the beans whether it's obvious or not. Surprise!
thehitman  +   416d ago
GC: Do you think everyone else will have these same problems? All these other cross-generational games that are out at launch?

MR: Well, I think they’ve already said they are haven’t they? Battlefield 4 is 720 on Xbox One and I think 900 on PS4? Titanfall has said they’re 720… So we’re not the first to say we’re 720 on the Xbox One.

GC: No, no. So they’re all obviously hitting the same wall.

MR: Yeah, so you’re reading that correctly in that it’s not specifically us doing something villainous. It’s a thing where all of us have to work at getting better at developing for both consoles. And that’s the fun part. I always use the analogy that the first game on a new console is always like an awkward first date, but once you know a lot more about each other it’s a lot better.

Ouchhhhhhhhhhh
CenturyDemolitons  +   416d ago
So 720 X 2 =1080... I like your math good sir
ThanatosDMC  +   416d ago
@CenturyDemolitons

It's actually 1280×720 vs 1920x1080. Huge difference.
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FANTA1180  +   417d ago
you do realize that raw power doesnt mean a console is better right?...

i mean this is why nintendo has a higher install base with the wii versus ps3 & xbox360
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rambi80  +   417d ago
Yeah, price is usually a major factor in establishing a user base...but that fact doesn't help MS either
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Themba76  +   417d ago | Well said
thats because the wii catered to casuals which is a 1 hit wonder that will never happen again. casuals moved on to there cell phones and tablets.
GribbleGrunger  +   417d ago
It doesn't necessarily make games better but it definitely makes the console better, which should then lead to better games. It's not rocket science ya know.
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Mister_Dawg  +   417d ago
Xbox was better than PS2.
It didn't get better games.
HighResHero  +   417d ago | Well said
You're right that power alone won't make the PS4 great, but Sony's large list of talented studios probably will.
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Enemy  +   417d ago
Lol poor FANTA. If this was Xbox One being the most powerful console, you'd be throwing Sony under the bus even more, as usual. Deal with the facts, everyone already knows.

With Sony's 1st parties waiting to reveal their PS4 exclusives AND the PS4 being 50% more powerful, your argument is invalid.

But hey, $100 more means it's better, right? Poor misinformed souls. Weaker hardware, less 1st parties, less exclusives in the long run due to less 1st party developers and ignoring indie devs. It just keeps piling on.
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jukins  +   417d ago
and that higher install base literally is doing nothing for nintendo now while the lower install base of the 360 and ps3 are still very well alive and kicking. Raw power does make a console better. As we'll see with both the ps4 and xb1
zebramocha  +   417d ago
@mister dawg the original xbox came out 18 months after the ps2 so that doesnt count.
-EvoAnubis-  +   417d ago
True - the Wii has a huge install base. And yet third party games on the 360/PS3 are blowing Wii sales out of the water.

Having an install base doesn't mean much if that install base isn't buying games.
Caffo01  +   417d ago
@FANTA1180
so you must think the WII is the best console of the generation because it has sold that well right? right???
Sales don't equal quality, COD sales prove that.
Power on the other hand, as long as devs are creatives, can be really helpful.
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miyamoto   417d ago | Trolling | show
mistertwoturbo  +   417d ago
Except in this case, the PS4 is more powerful, will have tons of 1st party and 3rd party games, and is $100 cheaper. That means a console is better overall FOR YOUR MONEY.
ziggurcat  +   417d ago
"you do realize that raw power doesnt mean a console is better right?... "

actually, it does.

because it can do more. quit trying to argue that a weaker console is better.
insomnium2  +   416d ago
@Mister_Dawg

You mean that multiplats weren't better on xbox? Really? Qualitywise?

Hell games like Splinter cell needed to change things (Cut something out) iirc to get it run on PS2. Somewhere around where that one guard spits in the food and the cook says "thank you". I forget what it was but there were differences between the two.

Xbox got better graphics each time when there was a multiplat.
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TheRacingX  +   416d ago
@insomnium2 & mister dawg

Mister Dawg is right in a way, games that were just ported over to Xbox were not superior in any way, and sometimes played and looked worse on Xbox, same for gamecube actually which was more powerful than PS2 and even then Xbox in certain areas, but thats another story. The thing was 1st party Xbox games were superior graphics wise to PS2 games because they were designed on that platform and maximized not ported. Of course Halo, Mechassault, Blinx, Brute Force, DOA3, looked better they built ground up on a more advanced/powerful system. The Splinter Cells and Ghost Recons were built on the Xbox system 1st, then they dumbed them down to squeeze them on PS2. EA tried to get Oddworld Strangers wrath to run on PS2 and the original dev team couldnt do it, and SONY was pissed, thats where some of the EA/Sony fallout started happening, Sony felt they werent trying hard enough to make it work....
dethpuck  +   417d ago
If all you care about is pure power I guess. Games are so much more then that. Ps4 is more powerful than Xbox. We get it. Who cares I'm getting both. Don't want to miss exclusives on either console
MRMagoo123  +   417d ago
but you have to agree , with a more powerful system you can make a better game, there are less limits to worry about so they can make the game closer to what they want.
tagan8tr  +   417d ago
Save you a long scroll..

GameCentral: So, just finally, I have to ask: why does the PlayStation 4 version look so much better than the Xbox One? Is the resolution really the only difference?

Mark Rubin: [laughs] Yep, it’s the only difference. The TVs are different on some of them, but… they both have their different rendering engines but they’re as close as possible. It really comes down to resolution. Xbox is upscaled 720, it’s outputting at 1080p but it’s upscaled from 720. Whereas PlayStation 4 is native 1080p. So that’s really the only graphical difference. But it is enough. Some people here are saying they don’t really notice a difference…
Lord Maim  +   417d ago
You left out the best part:

GC: So the obvious assumption from all this is that the PlayStation 4 is definitely more powerful than the Xbox One, is that true?

MR: [acting very embarrassed] I can’t answer that.

GC: You can’t answer it on a technical level or because you’re being diplomatic?

MR: Can’t answer that.

GC: You can’t say whether you’re avoiding the question for diplomatic reasons?

MR: [embarrassed] I just can’t say anything…

[Even the attending PR guy is looking embarrassed by this point]

PR guy: It’s very hard for us to be…

GC: Are the console manufacturers leaning on you to avoid these sort of questions?

MR: [unsure - speaking to PR guy] I don’t know if that…

MR: [even more embarrassed to us] Yeah, there’s things that we… We sign NDAs with the first parties [i.e. Microsoft and Sony - GC] and there are things that we’re not allowed to talk about.

GC: So when John Carmack and Shinji Mikami say the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are almost identical, is that something you could agree with?

MR: Hmm… I would say that’s a bit inaccurate but I wouldn’t be able to tell you any detail of why that’s inaccurate.

GC: For diplomatic reasons?

MR: Yes.
fenome  +   417d ago
Here's a little bit more:

MR: No, it’s… well, you can do almost anything, almost. Tessellation can’t be done on current gen for the most part, because it’s a DirectX 11 feature, but we could still do it but you’d get a frame rate of 2. So that really becomes the reason we do everything: the reason the Xbox One is 720, the reason the PlayStation 4 is 1080 is we’re trying to make the game look as good as it possible can and making sure we maintain our 60 frames per second.

GC: Do you think everyone else will have these same problems? All these other cross-generational games that are out at launch?

MR: Well, I think they’ve already said they are haven’t they? Battlefield 4 is 720 on Xbox One and I think 900 on PS4? Titanfall has said they’re 720… So we’re not the first to say we’re 720 on the Xbox One.
Xsilver  +   417d ago
The PS4 is more Powerful than the Xone http://www.youtube.com/watc...
MorePowerOfGreen  +   417d ago
Mark Rubin crying over MSFT and EA/Dice partnership. COD and its outdated engine and gameplay with PS4 issues with framerate and he says Carmack and other are wrong? Sounds like Rubin and Sony tried to stick it to MSFT using 1080p hype. Sounds like Sony said make 1080p on PS4 at all costs(sacrificed frame rate) and Rubin and pals said we will do this, we are made at MSFT anyways.
Pintheshadows  +   417d ago
You sound like a trailer dwelling conspiracy theorist.
ziggurcat  +   417d ago
sounds like you're butthurt over the fact that a dev working on a prominent title outright admits that PS4 is more powerful.

and when the devs at EA/DICE admit the same thing, what's your weak excuse going to be then?

how did they sacrifice frame rate on PS4 when it runs at 60 fps? especially when the same frame rate "issues" also occur on the xbone version, and have absolutely nothing to do with the console's hardware?

quit grasping at straws, and go back to misterx blog where you belong.

edit: also, if it's the engine that's the problem then PS4 wouldn't have been able to do native 1080p @ 60fps, so....
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mkis007  +   417d ago
frame rate will have the same problems on xbox1, but don't worry both will be fixed by the day 1 patch.
DoesUs  +   417d ago
My god! Get over yourself POG! Face the undeniable facts that the PS4 is simply much more powerful, and for $100 cheaper. 8 yrs later you are still pushing your MS driven agenda. Reported for trolling.
MysticStrummer  +   416d ago
The game has frame rate problems on PS4, XB1, and PC. This was said before reviews even started coming out. For some reason, XB1 reviews aren't allowed yet. I wonder why that is…?

Actually, I know why and so do you.
cleft5  +   417d ago
Just wow, this really makes me glad I am getting the PS4.
C0LLAT  +   417d ago
GC: So when John Carmack and Shinji Mikami say the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are almost identical, is that something you could agree with?

MR: Hmm… I would say that’s a bit inaccurate but I wouldn’t be able to tell you any detail of why that’s inaccurate.

GC: For diplomatic reasons?

MR: Yes.

GC: Okay, that’s fine. I think we can all read between those lines. But that’s absurd, how can they not except any journalist, any reasonable journalist, not to ask that question? It’s what everyone wants to know.

MR: [still feeling very awkward] The key thing is we try to focus people away from that sort of thing and try to focus them on the fact that the game is fun no matter what platform it’s on.

This explains everything.
insomnium2  +   416d ago
By the gods....RELEASE THE KRAKEN!

Seriously this is effed up stuff. PS4 all the way!
kingduqc  +   417d ago
I like how console guys get all tech savvy the money we start talking about new hardware,

Fact is 30-40% isn't as meaningful as you guys make it sound. the difference from running 30 and 40 fps or about 10-14 months on the gpu Side.

In 4-5 year, the difference will start to shine.. But those consoles will already be obsolete by it's time standard making it really nothing worth mentioning. Glad to see first few real 1080p games on console but the fast is that it won't stay that way and 1080p was a standard 6 years ago.
bjmartynhak  +   417d ago
It makes me wonder what PS4 would be with the price set at $500. Specially with AMD, $100 more can give a good jump.

Seeing BF4 already at 900p is not that promising.
But hey, one is $400 @900p, the other is $500 @720p. I think it is a no-brainer considering performance.

OT: Tough interview! We need more of these guys.
schubacca  +   416d ago
@allformats: The fact that Ghosts stutters on the "better" console indicates that the problem MAY be more with the dev than the console....
Picnic  +   416d ago
Some early PS3 games had less than 720p resolution I believe. They were practically souped up PS2 games.

Whilst the Xbox One might never become in a position to have the top graphical fidelity of PS4 games, it's a bit like saying that Picasso was rubbish at landscapes. Each has its own niche of exclusives.
Xbox has always done the quick fix games very well, like Killer Instinct. Sony is less good at that.

Due to the tidal wave of positivity towards the PS4 (much of its deserved , partly thanks to how the later years of the PS3 turned things around), I've no doubt that the PS4 is more likely to sell more than the Xbox One, perhaps by up to a third.
But for those who do buy an Xbox One, I'm sure it's going to have a lot more to recommend it, including even some indie games, than just what type of resolution it has.

But showing off Xbox One games through a PC is a bad move.
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JsonHenry  +   416d ago
What the guy wasn't allowed to say was a lot more telling than what he did say.

I can't believe that after how much I loved my 360 and only used my PS3 for exclusives that there is such a huge turn around and my PS4 will pretty much be main console this time around.

One thing I wish he had asked was what the network disparity was like between the two. MS is supposedly going to have some crazy boost in their network speeds and server capacity and going all in on dedicated servers. I would like to know if Sony has an answer for that or if that is all just PR smoke and mirrors on MS's part.

I also would love to hear him explain why he can't do tessellation. My old HD5870 did just fine using tessellation. There is no reason that the xbox1 can't do it because it is a DX11 machine with DX11 support directly from MS's own API. Obviously Sony doesn't have this ability because of licensing issues but tessellation, even at a lower resolution on the X1, would make a very noticeable graphical difference in games. And yes there is a hit to the GPU when doing tessellation but judging from my old HD5870 just throwing some of that on a few objects in the game really makes a visual difference. Not everything has to be tessellation.
Persistantthug  +   416d ago
@JsonHenry,
tessellation is not exclusive to Direct X.

PS4 will be able to do tessellation as well.
JsonHenry  +   416d ago
I know it isn't but the DX API helps make tessellation more efficient than it currently is on other platforms. Meaning it is already built in and the hardware makers (AMD/Nvidia) have hardware acceleration built into their hardware specifically for DX/Tessellation.

This is what I meant when I said there is no reason the Xbox1 should not have it even if it is only used on a few object at a time just because of how much better tessellation can make things look. - http://www.evga.com/article...
Persistantthug  +   415d ago
AMD and NVIDIA are also compatible with OPEN GL/CL. Direct X isn't the only API available for tesselation an other features.

For that matter, consoles dont need APIs at all. Performance wise, It's actually better if they don't, and/or program as close to the metal as possible.
Persistantthug  +   416d ago
I don't think Carmack has really liked any of the Playstations.
yeahokchief  +   416d ago
It's important to note that the Activision employee is biased.

Titanfall made by the former makers of Call of Duty is now XBONE EXCLUSIVE. Of course Activision wants more players to own a PS4 over an Xbox1, but they'll go multiplatform on all of them to rake in the sales.

Total Biscuit was mocking the graphics on a PC with Titan graphic cards saying the 50gb install and ram requirements were ridiculous for how dated the game looked so I don't see what the fuss is all about.

But hell yeah the PS4 is going to kick the Xbone's butt in performance. Consoles are more about exclusives anyways. I dont think the parity will ever get too out of hand.

I'm not buying either. Too many much better Ps3 and WiiU games in the near future. Aside from Killzone (which im not crazy about) there are no real big first party games to get me excited. All the launch games are the yearly games we complain about coming out too much with a different paint job.

Rockstar's GTA V was more innovative than anything you will see at launch on PS4 or XB1.
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Lukas_Japonicus  +   417d ago
"He also mentioned that he doesn't know if the power gap will ever close."

If its open this much at the start of the gen, its only going to get bigger especially in terms of 1st party exclusives (the devs that get the most of out each of their respective consoles).
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MRMagoo123  +   417d ago
It will def only get bigger, look into the gpu compute and the things they will be doing in the next couple years, the xbone will drag behind because of the ESram at that point because it wont be big enough to move all the info the devs will need to chuck at it.
schubacca  +   416d ago
I like how you forget that this is a first wave game.... They said the same crap about ESRAM with the 360....
pyramidshead  +   417d ago
Lol if this isn't confirmation that PS4 is the stronger console then I don't know what is. haha.

I feel some people will still hope for secret sauce even when there is an official statement stating so.

Then it will come back down to the goalpost moving acceptance of "it's about the games in the end"
pedrof93  +   417d ago
Maybe they have said it comparing PS4/X1 to Ultra High end computers or such.
Steven21  +   417d ago
I highly doubt that
-Foxtrot  +   417d ago
I think this whole "They are Almost Identical" thing is just developers not wanting to get involved yet until they see what platform there next gen game sells better on.
s8anicslayer  +   417d ago
Well, if they admit to the PS4 being more powerful, then they will have to work harder to achieve the technological difference between the X1 and PS4, if they say it's the same they don't have to answer to why they didn't make the more powerful one look better. People fear Microsoft in this industry, and the ones who don't get paid well to be a John Carmack dev, and get paid well too!
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hellzsupernova  +   417d ago
This
It's hard for developers cause they are making games for Microsoft's console, they can't really throw the xbox under the bus, they have to seem impartial.
tagan8tr  +   417d ago
Yeah lets use smoke and Microsoft (woops) I mean mirrors to confuse the consumer. Those crazy consumers will buy anything if you just confuse them..
schubacca  +   416d ago
By the Power of Cerny you are right. Sony blankets me in a cocoon of warmth and good feeling against the evil forces of Microsoft. Never fear, Yoshida has empowered us with the righteous power of GDDR5 RAM to counter the scourge of the insidious ESRAM.
Abriael  +   417d ago
Eh, it's always been like this to be fair.
stevehyphen  +   417d ago
Yep.

The principle is not exclusive to gaming, either.

It just happens to be the safest bet, business-wise.
Walker  +   417d ago
Carmack is an absolutely xbox fanboy !
allformats  +   417d ago
He's always been. No doubt.
loulou   417d ago | Personal attack | show
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Godmars290  +   417d ago
He's a PC fanboy. Always.

Only reason doom 3 was on the 360 was because MS was courting PC devs, but the game was still a PC title.
WeAreLegion  +   417d ago
Exactly. Carmack loves the PC. It's hard to knock the guy. He is both a literal and creative genius. I always look forward to his input. This particular thing, however, was taken out of context. I don't think he concerns himself with consoles. He has no reason to right now.
Pogmathoin  +   417d ago
When these rabid fanboys start attacking someone like Carmack, a guy with intelligence beyond your wildest dreams, it just shows shamefully low they are. Its nice Sony got it right with PS4, looking forward to it, but jeez, pull the pants back up and just enjoy the games! Even PS3 eventually got figured out and produced some amazing games, but must admit, most of my entertainment on 360....
Godmars290  +   417d ago
@Ps4beaver:
What is your point exactly?

Mine is that the man has never simply worked on a console title. Not so much as a port. That he may very well be brilliant, but he considered consoles to be limiting and beneath him. And by all rights considering his standing finically and in the gaming industry it very well is.

Still, that doesn't mean when he says something in regards to console gaming that it should be taken as gospel - especially because the man has never gotten his hand dirty with them.
Pogmathoin  +   417d ago
Sorry Godmars, I will take the word of an insulting fanboy then, you are right, my apologies....
Ducky  +   416d ago
So, did RAGE never exist or what?

Considering the latest CoD's performance issues on the next-gen platforms, Rubin has even less of a footing to comment on hardware that he can't even port an unambitious game on to.
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tagan8tr  +   417d ago
says the person who misspelled know, as in "know nothing" @loulou
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Godmars290  +   417d ago
Carmack doesn't give a damn about consoles. Getting any levels of singular performance from them. He'd rather work on PC, making titles which demand higher specs.
Why doesn't the link take you to http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/... instead of having to read an article about an article?
DeadRabbits  +   417d ago
720p 30fps vs 1080p 60fps!

Prius vs Porsche

xbone vs PS4

spam vs T-Bone Steak

simples!
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BattleTorn  +   417d ago
Both system run at 60fps, fyi
DeadRabbits  +   417d ago
I'm still not convinced on that one!
kneon  +   417d ago
It seems to be having frame rate issues on all platforms.
Convas  +   417d ago
Quick question.

What Xbone game is running at 720p30?
DeadRabbits  +   417d ago
Ryse 30fps barely 900p

Edit: hiiiiyyaaaa @Abriael :)
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Abriael  +   417d ago
@DeadRabbits: ryse is 900p.

Edit: nice ninja edit :D
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FANTA1180  +   417d ago
non , hes just trolling along...
tcozzens  +   417d ago
@DeadRabbits that is also incorrect.

Ryse is 900p
xKugo  +   417d ago
Dead Rising 3...
HugoDrax  +   417d ago
I like how @deadrabbits added "BARELY!" To downplay the fact that it is indeed more than 720P lol. By stating barely, it's obvious you're a troll lol.
Studio-YaMi  +   417d ago
Dead Rising 3 is running in 720p @ 30FPS

Understandable though,I don't think it would have changed much if it was on the PS4,maybe a better res but nothing more really,it would still be 30FPS.
ziggurcat  +   417d ago
"What Xbone game is running at 720p30?"

dead rising 3.
True_Samurai  +   417d ago
Come back when you decide to use a different engine Rubin
BattleTorn  +   417d ago
To me he's hinting more towards the resources used by OS.

I find it very interesting that Rubin, while talking to Eurogamer, reference the resources taken up by either systems OS a few times - yet Metro makes no mention of it.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
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captain_slow82  +   417d ago
its both the OS and having a lower end gpu/ram

no amount of if buts an what ifs will change that.

sony have the high end console this coming gen we all know this fangirls or not (and theres no hidden sauce xbox one will counter that with.)

now MS need to concentrate on what they made there box for tv/cable/skype/gaming and that order i put it is how they see it.

and if they dont stand by there tv/cable box we have another dreamcast/first xbox on are hands and i carnt read the future but i can see where its going.

EDIT for spelling mistakes my bad :D
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HugoDrax  +   417d ago
"sony have the high end console this coming gen"

1- Skype before gaming? You're joking right?

2-Correction! Sony has the more powerful Mem/ram, we've yet to see the CPU specs? Which is the brains of the console where most calculations take place. As of now it looks as if MS will reign in this department, compared to Sony's offering. We will see soon enough. In a few weeks we will know everything about Sony and Microsoft's console.

Grabs the popcorn! :-)
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RegorL  +   417d ago
@goldfinger, CPU stands no chance in computations once GPGPU begins to be used.

Let the GPGPU do the simulations -> animations (i.e. it will first calculate what to draw and then draw it)
and suddenly you can do most of a game without CPU aid.

Suddenly the CPU will be free to handle user input, network protocols, NSA apps, ...
justSumDood  +   417d ago
@Regor
i c what u did there
+bubs
mkis007  +   417d ago
These low power cpu's are just there to run the console. they have little importance this gen. you can't reign on the cpu. But even the small upclock vs whatever ps4 cpu is, the more powerful gpu will just take over some calculations from the cpu.. its really a no win scenario. They really have to make kinect great, if they want to have a remote chance.
Godhimself_In_3d  +   417d ago
Funny I seen what carmack said. Both consoles are basically the same. Then he says I haven't had the time to bench mark them huumm.
Abriael  +   417d ago
He means they're both black. You don't need a benchmark for that.
bleedsoe9mm  +   417d ago
nobody's benchmarked the retail versions yet , it will be interesting to get the real world numbers in about a month
nevin1  +   417d ago
@Lukas_Japonicus

I can't wait to see how GOW will look like on PS4.
GryestOfBluSkies  +   417d ago
to quote Shuhei Yoshida.... interesting article
Nocando  +   417d ago
So there you go, Sony wins, now can we just drop this crap? No? Didn't think so...
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MasterCornholio  +   417d ago
And the console is 100$ cheaper to boot. Isn't that wonderful that we get to enjoy the most powerful next gen console for only 399$. Anyways you shouldn't be sad because you will still be able to play all those Xbox One exclusives, exclusive TV features and Kinect games with your console. For some people that's fantastic but as for me i prefer a more serious gaming system.

Have a nice day.

:D

Nexus 7 2013
MasterCornholio  +   417d ago
Oh my.......

Nexus 7 2013
Sadist3  +   417d ago
They should've asked the reasoning for the PS4 version's frame rate problem
tudors  +   417d ago
Exactly!
Thegamer41  +   417d ago
Why just the PS4? Im sure you know the PC and Xbox One versions have fps problems as well but of course you will ignore that fact, your past comments says it all.
xxLuckyStrike  +   417d ago
Cause with all the super powers the PS4 have (50%) according fanboy hype .. Meanwhile it too is having frame rate issues and maintaining their very own gold standard. I love how Sony fanboy dance around multiple sources an not face facts. PS4 isn't perfect!! It also has frame rate issue AND DOES NOT DO 1080P 60fps every game.

Seriously, I think these devs need a swift kick in the ass!!! LAZYNESS!!!!! 1080P @ 60FPS IS NOW!!!. We already did 720p @ 30fps THE LAST 8 YEAR'S!!! Seriously..WTF is going on??!!!
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corvusmd  +   416d ago
...well cause the reviews that said PS4 was having framerate issues also pointed out that XB1 wasn't. You should have read the reviews..it said it right there.
Thegamer41  +   416d ago
I read the review and they only had the PS4 version, maybe you should have read it yourself. The first ever gameplay of the Xbox One version was shown yesterday and if you have eyes that work then you would have seen the fps issues without needing a "reviewer" to tell you.
mistertwoturbo  +   417d ago
And the PC
MRMagoo123  +   417d ago
every version has frame rate problems, nice try making it seem like it just the ps4.

You should be more concerned as to why the xbones 720p version that looks current gen is also getting frame rate problems lol i mean they lowered the rez by over half and still cant keep the game at 60fps.
mkis007  +   417d ago
This is whats up.
jimbobbeers  +   417d ago
From my reading this doesn't make anything anymore clearer, he said things and then didn't want to say too much. One thing is clear, Call Of Duty is falling behind.
Hicken  +   417d ago
He obviously said a lot, without saying what he couldn't contractually say.

It's about time people stopped being intentionally obtuse.
FANTA1180  +   417d ago
the console is so much better according to fanboys yet

nfs rivals is 1080p/30fps on both consoles

ufc is 1080p / 30fps on both consoles

if the system was so overpowering the ps4 would have been 60fps.

easily.

but its not.

next gen doesnt mean raw power if it did ,it would be neither of these consoles

my damn pc plays bf4 @ 1920x1080 4 x msaa easily ...wiping the floor with both consoles versions
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LordNikon  +   417d ago
It is better. And no one said all games will show the difference.
ChubbyLover  +   417d ago
then whats the point of being better if your games don't look drastically better!

other than to fuel peoples superiority complex this doesn't change the fact that this difference isn't huge in the end. and I find it funny that the CALL OF DUTY developers long hailed as LAZY, BAD AT DESIGNING GAMES, and incompetent is now the developer we must believe as far as graphical prowess of these consoles.

BF4 is better looking than COD ghosts, with bigger environments, more things going on, and the XO and PS4 versions are not that different other than resolution and some AA which PS4 doesn't even achieve the HAILED 1080P!

im not putting the PS4 down but man, the amount of aggression from sony fans towards Xbox is unbelievable.

I agreed with you btw lol :P
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LordNikon  +   417d ago
I guess fanboys just like to brag. Though i can understand why. This gen, the 360 almost always had the superior port/version. Its only natural that they'll rub it in now.

And i agree with you too. lol
webeblazing  +   417d ago
thank you ChubbyLover
sad to say this is only the beginning. sony fanboys are going to be posting specs and features more than pc gamers. ironically they hate pc gamers so much and say that theyre lame because of doing it.
captain_slow82  +   417d ago
so if your DAMN pc plays bf4 @1080p why are you even here?
webeblazing  +   417d ago
I think you missed the point, and why are u here to fight or to downplay other system. that's his point. people don't see it till someone else do it.
XabiDaChosenOne  +   416d ago
Why is it so difficult for you to understand that some developers will shoot for parity? Not to mention there are plenty of other ways for one version to look better than the other besides fps and resolution. Why do I have to explain this?
timotim  +   417d ago
LMAO... the guy can't even get his current-gen games to run at 720p and were suppose to take his word over Carmack? Really?
LordNikon  +   417d ago
You don't need to be an competent developer to know which console is more powerful. In fact, Carmack's statements are far more questionable.
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Thegamer41  +   417d ago
"This guy" at least made a game for both platforms, even Carmack said he hasnt done any benchmarks for both systems to differentiate them let alone develop a game on both platforms.
So yes this guys word should be taken more seriously than Carmacks.
Ko_Uraki  +   417d ago
After I have watched the FM5 launch trailer, can't care less
Animal Mutha 76  +   417d ago
Very interesting interview but frustrating for all concerned that NDAs and impartiality means he can't really say what the real deal is.

In that respect such interviews become almost pointless as a tech discussion.
KNWS  +   417d ago
Buying an XB1, so i can say the PS4 does have better specs, without been considered a fanboy. But, its only resolution the PS4 is showing up better.

Battlefield 4 looked identical on both the xb1 AND ps4 so don't even know why people still argue over it.
ExDexteraDomini  +   417d ago
I'm sorry, but I can't give a lot of credit to anything someone says when they're associated with producing Call of Duty. Seeing what that game has become over the years, I have been led to the conclusion that all things Call of Duty are produced and do exist in a dimension separate from what we call "reality".

There's so much to point out. But that game....*shakes head*.....what the heck. It's absolutely insane that they still sell as many copies each time they churn out another as quickly as they do.

Perhaps one should think of the fish and the dog. If two of their main points of the new game are some fish and a dog.....

Never mind. I give up.
We all know which console is more powerful already and what the differences are. Go home, and go to bed.
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Dehnus  +   417d ago
How long will we keep this circle jerk going guys? Last generation you ruined it about half way in with Digital foundries pixel counting, thus making the PS3 look worse then it was. And now you want to ruin it from the start. Is there anybody around hat just goes "Well I don't care I'm just getting my PS4 as I like Sony's games" or the same with Microsoft? What is it we as enthusiasts proof with this?
webeblazing  +   417d ago
PS fanboys = the new master race
BABY-JEDI  +   417d ago
These interviews really are telling. MS seem to have lost their focus. instead of focusing on making a first rate gaming console. They have developed an interactive tv media box that's OS is crippling its game resources.
OsirisBlack  +   417d ago
Honestly Microsoft should have just delayed their system by a few months and gotten it right. Walking into a gun fight wearing a blindfold armed only with a slingshot is not a good idea.
mochachino  +   417d ago
Glad MS isn't a government, they'd silence the truth by any means necessary.

Total BS that a game developer is not allowed to comment on system hardware unless it's a favourable lie.

What other powers does MS exert on devs and media outlets.

Devs and major media outlets were allowed to criticize PS3 hardware mercilessly, but can't say a negative thing about Xone. Hmmm that's pretty horrible when you think of it. It's compete suppression of information.
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wheresmymonkey  +   417d ago
pfft, i'd take mikami and especially Carmaks words over Rubins any day of the week.
Lolrus  +   417d ago
You've all got it wrong you pathetic feeble sony fanboys. The only reason he wouldnt disclose anymore information is because he knows about the hidden custom DGPU architecture of the Xbox One™. Once its all revealed and we see that glorious 5 teraflops of awesomeness flowing through the vains of the most incredible console ever conceived I will laugh at you sony droids.
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ziggurcat  +   417d ago
can't tell if serious or....
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