Satoru Iwata has discussed Nintendo's approach to third-party relations and more.
Kassai, Mr. Iwata. Here is to the year of Wii U in 2014.
If he doesn't want to get involved with the price war or moneyhatting than thats fine, but Nintendo needs to ramp up their production of new games and get more second party studios. 2014 looks like it could be really good for Nintendo, but what about after 2014. I like Nintendo games, but I need more than Mario. Give us more games, new ips, bring back older franchise like Star Fox, etc. Basically, show people that Nintendo does have a viable plan for the WiiU and it's taking the path of the 3DS.
You can't create a second party studio. A second party studio is just a third party studio with a contract to work for a first party studio. They'd be better off making more first party studios and diversifying their first party titles beyond the rehashes of Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Pokemon.
@DragonKnight, that is so much garbage. They have over 70 franchises and come out with new I.P.s every year. They also have many other studios making games for them and have for over decade. People simply ignore all of their existence. They have long since been doing that. The level of misinformation about Nintendo is mind boggling amongst fanboys these day. They are so vocal, but rarely know anything regarding what they are talking about. It gets so tiresome constantly recrossing the same bridges for the same reasons.
@lilbroRx: They have 70 franchises and rely on the same 5 every gen. Nintendo is responsible for their own misinformation because they throw everything behind Mario, or Zelda, or Pokemon. Then when something else comes out, no one attributes it to Nintendo because Nintendo are content to coast on Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon. It's why 3rd party games tank on Nintendo consoles. Nintendo used to be the king of 3rd party games, but they demand so much control that they decided they'd rather rely on first party games and look where that's getting them with the Wii U.
if they don't want to have some kind of price war/money giving that's fine, but you need to round table with 3rd party devs/publishers to fix the broken relationship i see you are having. they need to sit down and hash out wth is going on between the two of them.
That's good. It's just sad that it won't work out. :/
Right because Nintendo is always in Negative Profits like Sony and MS.. Right.. MS and Sony may make a lot in profit but their Profit margins to cost are extremely slim or they have more costs then profit.. Nintendo always have a wide profit margin. Always in the black. Do some research..
Yea, cuz Nintendo relies heavily on mario and zelda. and gives outdated hardware. They got nothing but gaming business to keep them going.
Nintendo has a business approach that means in general they are always profiting. That is how they survived the war against Sega and even during the Playstation hey day. I have the deepest respect for Nintendo, but this approach of not copying is killing them fast. It sounds great in theory, but in reality, Nintendo Network sucks. They need to step it up fast! Either way, Nintendo will likely survive this generation, but not sure about next.
@nukeitall "I have the deepest respect for Nintendo, but this approach of not copying is killing them fast." Wait how is it killing them fast? The Wii Sold the most gaming consoles every. 3DS is the top selling console. Wii U is off to a slow start but I do believe it will pick up. "It sounds great in theory, but in reality, Nintendo Network sucks." Nintendo Network? What do you mean? Miiverse is pretty good actually its really good! Online play is pretty solid.. (waiting for more games) So what Network are you referring??
@DCfan "gives outdated hardware. They got nothing but gaming business to keep them going." Looks at the DS, 3DS and Wii sales...yeah their "outdated hardware" seems to be working of for them just fine.
Miiverse is good but in no ways is it how you describe it. First of all it's an app it's not even integrated. Also constant policing by the admins on their really limits what can be said and don't get me started on how atrocious it is to send a simple message to someone on your friends list. It's already late for any sort of hardware upgrade for the WiiU but next time Nintendo should approach developers and ask what they'd like to see instead of putting stuff together with the Nintendo brand on it and expect developers to flock to it. ;)
@LOL_WUT "Miiverse is good but in no ways is it how you describe it. First of all it's an app it's not even integrated. Also constant policing by the admins on their really limits what can be said and don't get me started on how atrocious it is to send a simple message to someone on your friends list." I respect that point! But I rather they have admins, it make for a much more peaceful community. But I do agree that Miss should be more integrated. But for "It's already late for any sort of hardware upgrade for the WiiU but next time Nintendo should approach developers and ask what they'd like to see instead of putting stuff together with the Nintendo brand on it and expect developers to flock to it. ;)" Devs will never flock to Nintendo system because they are in direct competition with Nintendo... Nintendo games on Nintendo games + the system is too strong of a following. Not to mention Nintendo wont just throw money at them like MS and Sony does..
If you don't feel like reading the article.. Basically Nintendo wont just throw money at companies who aren’t skilled and talented for what they do, MAKE GAMES… These 3rd party companies don’t even believe in their own works. If a game is creative, high quality (no many glitches) and fun. It will sale END OF STORY… These guys don’t believe in that so they rather waste money on marketing and tech. Tech that 1. isn’t even utilized correctly 2. waste full and 3. (MOST CRITICAL) EXPENSIVE.. Then look to the two companies that spoiled them MS and Sony’s lack off gaming integrity and reckless spending to be given that money back to them… Not Nintendo because they can make their own games, they don’t really need 3rd parties.. And this is what 3rd Parties, MS, Sony and the believe it our not the Gaming Media hates about Nintendo. Nintendo knows how to make a profit from gaming and gaming alone.. They don’t need to spend money on a gaming review (CoD, GTA, etc) to get a good score to sell or to be blind to the fact that a key component of a game like online is completely broken even when launched, after the actual game was launched… Nintendo, is the last gamers gamer company..
The last samurai.
they are, Nintendo is a company that truly cares about Japanese gaming.. Sony is losing it's Japanese identity little by little, almost 90% of their investments this gen goes to west this gen which is sad.. really sad
9 people do not like the truth. If you want Nintendo to be like other companies, it's just not gonna happen. Nintendo has survived the longest for a reason and Iwata just stated that reason.
As long as Nintendo is profitable in some way or the other, Wii U marketshare isn't that relevant. However, those who enjoy certain Nintendo games like myself just suffer because of their conservative strategy. I am definitely not satisfied with Nintendo for this very reason regardless of their wellbeing.
Yet, no Wii U games are selling... Sonic Worlds just bombed, reviews were poor, and Nintendo paid for exclusivity. So, how does that fit in with the above???
I completely agree with their thinking. Rather than just throwing money at these devs for exclusives, why not make a relationship with them for future benefit? Thing is, I'm not sure how it'll work out with how 3rd party devs are these days. They're not very.. 'reliable' anymore because of all the money being thrown around, 'greedy' is a better word for a good majority of them. So, although I agree with the mindset, I still have doubts things will work out with it. I'll just hope for the best.
All talk. I'd sell my shares if I were one of those investors.
but that's business! No wonder Nintendo is doing so bad with the Wii U... With the 3DS is different since they hardly have any competition. Most of the games that sell handhelds like Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Pokemon, etc. Nintendo has them all completely monopolized.
I would settle for getting good multiplats - I don t care if a game is exclusive so long as I can have the option to play it on the Wii U So I agree re buying exclusives but if they have to offer sales guarantee s or similar to get at least a high % of the quality multi plat games we have and will miss out on the Wii U (Wii too) then that is what they need to do- No company WANTS to pay to get a game or have a price war- they do things like that when they feel they have to in order to survive or succeed Nintendo wants to have it s cake and eat it too- They want to sell a lot of consoles, get 3rd party support and sell a lot of games but they are not willing to invest the $ s it takes (in today s gaming environment) to accomplish these things Nintendo has lots of cash and is not in danger of going bk- but the Wii U IS in big trouble and Nintendo HAS lost a ton of market share and has hurt its reputation among a growing % of its long time fans/gamers. It took a long time and lots of investment to build its reputation and its market share- the longer they let both slide the more difficult and more expensve it will be to get them back
to me one of the real problem of nintendo with third partys is what nintendo games are make for kids.in this time the thirds partys target teens and adult gamers,for that is absurd think what games what are make thinking in adult gonna sell good in a nintendo console,sony can get some free exclusive games for what some third party games sold great in sony consoles while in microsoft and nintendo consoles flop, is thanks to what the sony consoles mature games and niche games sell good.
First of all I am Wii U owner and this Jap. just don't get it. Nintendo does not OWN gaming world. If you want 3rd party games mr Iwata from BIG devs like EA, you MUST negotiate with them. (Take it or leave it) approach could work back then in NES days when Nintendo was only good console, but today..it's 2014 like guy from post #1 said.
Nintendo won't get any huge 3rd party exclusives without any checks being signed..I hope he doesn't expect the big publishers to toss exclusives at them free of charge though.
I question your reading compreshension. I thought one of the main points of this statement by Iwata was that the exclusive game is not something they have interest in. They said at the start of the Wii U that they will not buy exclusives but are open to deals from devs who approach them. Nintendo already has and always has had the best, highest selling exclusives.
It's kinda funny that they mention focusing on third party relationships. I wonder how exactly? How exactly are they "focusing"? Are they giving certain third parties who have great relationships with them reduced publishing prices for putting their games on Nintendo consoles? I highly doubt that. Ok wait so Nintendo loves making a a high profit out of everything that they do, that's amazing! FOR THEM. If they make so much money then why not give gamers what they want like the others do? Where is the amazing online infrastructure? New Ip's and great hardware? Ohh that's right, it's nowhere because Nintendo loves to keep their money in their pockets. Poor little nintendo doesn't want to resort to pay those greedy publishers anything for any exclusivity, meaning they don't want to give any incentive to anyone to make a game on their platform. But hold on, what are they inciting publishers with then? Smiles and Hot Tea? Publishers and devs need to pay people on their payroll. Why would anyone in 2013 go exclusive without at least some sort of compensation for doing so? So much money to lose by not going multiplatform, why would anyone with a brain on their head renounce making bread to have a nice relationship with nintendo of all platform makers? Face it, sticking with nintendo is like going to the carnival with your cheapskate uncle. Maybe he'll pay ya for a ride here and there but you are mostly just going to be watching others play most of the games you wanted.
Bayonetta 2 says hi.......
Keep it, Bayonetta was terrible.
What's your point? Iwata said that they will only do exlcusive deals if a dev approaches them now with one long ago. Its clear that Platinum asked Nintendo for aid, and logically, something they fund is going to be funded for their benefit. So, enough with this butt-hurt over Bayonetta's exclusivity. Nintendo agreed to do what no one else did and funded that game. They paid for it, so its staying with them. Accept it.
nintendo's biggest problem is that they still believe in 3rd parties developers/publishers when most of them seem to hate nintendo. what nintendo needs to do is start first party studio's inside & outside of japan that will only make new ip's, and games that nintendo isn't traditionally known for making. nintnedo is already on the right path with what there doing with monolith soft, and platinum games but they have to do more & they can do more. i don't know what's going on with itagaki & valhalla games, but if i ran nintendo i would have gone after itagaki& his studio for what he can do with fighting & action games. if suda 51 & his ps4 game doesn't do well i'd go after them too to become a 2nd party. i'd also go after a studio that's capable of making good fps's.
If it weren't for the heavy subsidizing from it parent companies, the xbox and playstation brands couldn't throw money at third parties as well. Nintendo seems to be the only company that has a strong emphasis on the free market and not forced obligation.
nintendo has the worst 3rd part support of all consoles and nintendo has historically had a notoriously poor relationship with 3rd parties.
This is false. That is only with the some of the big name 3rd parties, and its not so much that they had a bad relationship with them in the past as it is that Sony and Microsoft went out of their way to prouce exclusivity of major titles where Nintendo believed in an even playing ground. This created a trend for developers to "expect" their rectums to be wiped with money. There are over a hundred third party studios. "Most" third party studios support Nintendo. Nintendo simply will not pay for the "few" really big devs to release games on their console like Sony and Microsoft do.
''That is only with the some of the big name 3rd parties'' no, its with almost all 3rd parties. 3rd parties dont commit to nintendo, they merely dip their feet in the water. whereas on sony/microsoft consoles, the 3rd parties really go all out, giving those consoles their biggest franchises. nintendo is losing every gen in this regard. ie, no GTA, no street fighter, no metal gear solid etc. these are the standard and basics on other consoles. ''Sony and Microsoft went out of their way to prouce exclusivity of major titles where Nintendo believed in an even playing ground.'' i dont think so. sony/microsoft were simply creating great relationships with devs. the exclusivity is the fruit of those labors. the same way nintendo got bayonetta- its working closely with a dev, developing a strong/close relationship. on the whole, nintendo is extremely poor at this, and it costs them EVERY generation since the snes. ''Nintendo simply will not pay for the "few" really big devs to release games on their console like Sony and Microsoft do'' well nintendo will continue to lose the core gamer support/appeal every generation due to their greed. people dont care if nintendo pay for them or not, they just want them on the nintendo console. nintendo isnt doing that. as the saying goes 'you have to spend money to make money'... nintendo must have missed that one. again, its just greed, i think the real reason why nintendo wont buy these games is because they want THEIR games to remain the number one seller on their consoles. they are afraid their games will take a back seat to these frankly bigger titles. so by not buying these game for their console, they are simply avoiding the competition. not even allowing their customers the CHOICE to buy them.
Mr.Iwata I love Nintendo but I hate ya always playing hardball this why the Wii U barely got any games , it woulda been smart if you woulda pay Rockstar for GTA5 that woulda definitely help the Wii U moves more Unit, Mr.Iwata if the Wii U fail I hope u realize everything you did wrong.
As a Wii U owner who bought it to serve as our households only current gen console (have a Wii and 3DS too- but no Sony or MSFT consoles) I am very let down by Nintendo s lack of effort and commitment to getting 3rd parties on board like they assured us before the Wii U launch- Now it is clear Nintendo has no intent to do what it takes to get key 3rd party games that we have been missing out on- The other problem is they are not willing to invest enough resources in the Wii U and 1st party games for the Wii U to off set the lack of 3rd party games They are really hurting their credibility and brand - base on Iwata s comments and actions to date- it seems they have non intention of ramping up their efforts and investment for the Wii U- apparently they are ok letting it just struggle till next generation or until some future date - who knows unless they make major changes re how they move forward w the Wii U it will continue to struggle and it will be one of the least successful home consoles htat Nintendo has ever had- My guess is when they go to launch their next console either a) nearly everyone will hold off to see how they handle it or b) it will cost them a fortune to have enough launch games released and enticing value to get people to comit Now all but the vocal few remaining blindly loyal Nintendo fans will believe what Nintendo says re future console launches- they will have to SHOW the market place not tell them
Get Rare back = Instant save.
The rare from the SNES/N64 era died in early 2000. Most of the members left to form Free Radical and they died selling out to Sony when the PS3 first came out. The current rare is near worthless. Its only the same company in name only, just like Square Enix now is not the same as the Square headed by Hironobu Sakaguchi.
Well they'd get the properties back wouldn't they?
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