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Spot the difference: Infinity Ward’s Mark Rubin on next gen Call Of Duty’s resolution disparity

Edge:It almost seems a little cruel for the disparity in native resolution between the Xbox One and PS4 versions of Call Of Duty: Ghosts to have overshadowed the release of the game. The man hours that have gone into the release of the game – across PC, Wii U, Xbox 360, PS3, Xbox One and PS4 in the next month – must have been extraordinary. (Call of Duty: Ghosts, Mark Rubin, PS4, Xbox One)

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allformats  +   826d ago | Well said
We've already spotted the difference. PS4 looks better. It's not hard to see at all.
CerebralAssassin  +   826d ago
Im not disagreeing with you. Ps4 looks better. But does it matter? Does any one really play this game for graphical quality? Either way, for those who do, I really doubt it will be a deal breaker.

Game and server performance is what really matters. I still play counter-strike and its not the prettiest thing out there but it still runs like a champ. Makes the game fun.
GraveLord  +   826d ago | Well said
You don't play for power? Then how about price?
PS4 still wins that. Now don't tell me most people don't care about price
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Fishy Fingers  +   826d ago
See what your getting at but if your dropping £500 to play the "same game" it better offer something over current gen. Namely, visual fidelity. Otherwise, why not just stick to current gen? Sorry but some dedicated servers doesn't justify the purchase.

I still play CS religiously but it certainly hasn't pushed me to upgrade my PC. Better looking titles did that.
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Parapraxis  +   826d ago
"Ps4 looks better. But does it matter?"

MysticStrummer  +   826d ago | Well said
"Ps4 looks better. But does it matter?"

It mattered this generation apparently, when 360 had smaller multi plat advantages over PS3 than what we see with CoD:G and BF4 on PS4/XB1. People on here made those smaller differences into big bragging points.
boneso82  +   826d ago
Cerebral, graphical quality does matter, especially for next gen systems, otherwise if its all about the gameplay then people may as well buy the current gen version. 360 will have the same story, same MP maps, same gameplay, same FPS, even the same resolution.

One of the main reasons people want next gen versions of games is the leap in visual quality, and the PS4 has the better looking games (so far). The only gamers who don't think graphics are important the Xbox fans. if it was the other way around I'm sure PS4 fans would be saying the same thing and I'm sure Xbox fans would be making the same comments about PS4 being underpowered and laughing at 720p games.
svoulis  +   826d ago
I agree graphics aren't what make a game. But for me to spend 500$ on a console and get an inferior product it makes it harder to justify.
Death  +   826d ago
Grave, you aren't comparing apples to apples. Yes, the Xbox One costs $100 more. It also comes with Kinect 2.0. If you are not a fan of Kinect and what it brings to the table, then the Xbox One might not be for you. If having the additional hardware and features is worth it to you, then the $100 differance is also worth it.

The PS3 was supposed to crush the 360 with it's "Cell" processor and Blu-ray drive which was going to make the PS3 a "TrueHD" game console. When the inferior console had better multiplats it was completely unexpected. The entire generation Xbox 360 owners knew they had the power disadvantage. Same holds true for this generation coming up. Xbox One is technically less capable on paper with it's complex eSram setup. If and when we see a better multiplatform game on the Xbox One, it will be a bigger deal then a "better" port on a "better" system.
mewhy32  +   826d ago
does it matter????? Well of course it matters. I mean you have a choice. The systems haven't released yet. You still can get the more powerful system for 100.00 less. Of course it matters.
fenome  +   826d ago

But have they shown any games that really take advantage of Kinect? I mean justify your purchase however you want, I don't care what people spend their money on. But c'mon, they spent more money building that damn camera than the console and it already shows. Personally I don't see why the camera makes it okay to have the lesser version of games. They haven't shown anything useful enough to justify gimping games over in my opinion. Way too much tech in that damn thing that goes unseen by the people who are actually buying it.
JokesOnYou  +   826d ago
Correct Death the price difference is because of Kinect, actually even the first Kinect cost more than $100 so its actually cheaper. If you dont like Kinect thats a seperate matter, fact is Kinect comes standard thats the price difference. Also just because 2 launch games have a lower resolution than ps4 does not mean it will be that way going forwa rd, its all about more time with new eSRAM, sdk's, dev tools which micro excels at and optimizing, sure ps4 may still have a small edge in multis throughout the lifecycle but it wont be a 1080p vs 720p difference. In fact 1080p games are already launching on X1 unlike 360 which means like every gen previous it will only improve.
Revolver_X_  +   826d ago
Of course X1 will ge better, but it doesnt change the fact that the Esram is a bottle neck. While X1 improves, so does PS4. Kinect is just a casual seller, trying to tap into that Nintendo Wii fanbase. Until the X1 gets a Sku that is Kinectless, the X1 isnt worth the price of admission.
wsoutlaw87  +   826d ago
why would it not matter? between the ps4 and xbox one they are both going to be exactly the same, except the ps4 version will look better. Which would you buy?
DragonKnight  +   826d ago
@Jokes: That is the most laughable bit of PR spiel I've heard in a while. eSRam is a bottleneck, and if the Xbox One can't get Call of Duty, a game running an engine that's 10 years old, to run at 1080p despite the magic and rocket science that's gone into the development of the console, then it's not going to get much better. The fact that there are already games where the PS4 has a 50% better resolution than the Xbox One, at launch no less, is very telling that the PS4 is simply going to continue to outclass the Xbox One for it's entire life and we'll definitely see more games where PS4 is 1080p and Xbox One is 720p.

This is Call of Duty Jokes, not some graphically intensive game. Call of Duty. The only game that runs at 1080p on the X1 is Forza and it had to sacrifice day/night cycles and weather effects to do it.

Stop deluding yourself. The resolution isn't really important, but lying isn't doing you any good.
ifistbrowni  +   826d ago
if you dont care about graphics, why participate in next gen at all?

Stick to playing atari.
eferreira  +   826d ago
I don't care if the difference isn't huge. It's just funny to see everyone not caring now but when the ps3 multiplats were looking a tad worse all the fanboys gloated. Many big gaming sites used it as one of the reasons to buy a 360 over ps3. Now the tables have turned and it's not a big deal anymore. I'm sure in time they will look equal.
Sarcasm  +   826d ago
Of course it doesn't matter, because the Xbox is the inferior console this 'round about.

If the PS4 version was 720p and the Xbox was 1080p, we'll hear it for the next 8 years how it really really matters for multiplat games.
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LoTuZ  +   826d ago
@ gravelord lets be honest, if it negatively impacts the console of choice they will say its not important. Its a win/win lose/lose for everyone. Lol
BitbyDeath  +   826d ago
On the bright side if devs will go out and support the Xbone then maybe the Wii U could get ports from it.
tordavis  +   826d ago
@svoulis Your product is inferior to my PC.
Ares84HU  +   826d ago
It used to matter a lot when everything looked better on Xbox 360. Now that the tables have turned suddenly it doesn't matter anymore???
One_Eyed_Wizard  +   826d ago
I don't care about graphics or price. Still getting PS4.
WickedLester  +   826d ago
It sure as hell mattered to a lot of Xbot 360 fanboys when websites like The Lens of Truth would do those side by side comparisons of PS3/360 versions. Funny how suddenly graphics don't matter anymore now that the PS4 is clearly the more powerful console.
HaveAsandwich  +   826d ago
yes. yes it does matter. it absolutely questions asked. this is a major reason why we want powerful make games look awesome. it matters to every gamer, unless they're lying.
Computersaysno  +   826d ago
Haha oh this article is epic.

I mean he spends the first half of it dodging the bullet about PS4 being more powerful. You can tell he just wants to say look, PS4 is way faster and that's why this difference is like this.

But he goes ummm, Mmm. Ahhh y know, we might have just gone down different paths and this is what we ended up with, like Xbox one can change down the years it will be years before we know etc etc

Lol. Avoiding the fact on launch PS4 version batters Xbox one.

The poor guy knows COD is affiliated with Xbox branding heavily so is doing his very best to avoid outright saying the PS4 version is better visually directly although he admits it indirectly.
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DA_SHREDDER  +   826d ago
I didn't compare nothing but prices. 3 copies on 3 platforms for only $70 bucks
pixelsword  +   825d ago
Does it matter?

Did it matter this gen, or the last one?

cabbitwithscissors  +   825d ago
Let's try an analogy here..

If you had a choice between two girls both of whom are rich, beautiful, sexy, confident, intelligent, nice personality, amazing conversationalist, wonderful laugh, good in bed, easy to get along, can click with your family and friends, which one are you going to choose ?

No wait scrap that...i know you're going to just turn it around anyway.

One platform offers a better experience than the other, and now you're saying it doesn't matter. I wonder what would have been if the situation was turned around ? See it at face value...your thinking is totally out of whack. Just say it, you're a xbone fan and an MS apologist like the majority of the freaking gaming media.
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badz149  +   825d ago
MS should just change their Xbone motto to "Resolutions Don't Matter"
Sano64  +   825d ago

Lets be honest, graphics do matter. If they didn't we would all be sticking with our PS3's and 360's. I can't think of any feature that the new systems offer that would warrant spending $500- $600 aside from a huge graphics jump.
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GrandTheftZamboni  +   825d ago
"it’s a balancing act when you get into optimisation"

I guess MS didn't balance the xbox well enough as they said.
moparful99  +   825d ago
It matters because Microsoft has been overselling XBONE with claims of "the power of the clouds" "eSRAM is the answer" "dirext x11 sets us apart" to cover up the fact that they bet the farm on kinect 2.0 and the tv/multi tasking integration.. Those gambles are taxing an already dated ram setup.. Sony chose to focus on gaming giving their rig a beefy gddr5 setup which the customized to handle processing duties resulting in a better setup for gaming.. Microsoft has gone for gimmick over gaming and they are paying for it..
Sarcasm  +   825d ago
"graphics do matter. If they didn't we would all be sticking with our PS3's and 360's. I can't think of any feature that the new systems offer that would warrant spending $500- $600 aside from a huge graphics jump."

Hit the nail on the head. Last generation everyone wanted true real native 1080p gaming especially since the entire market have been selling us 1080p TVs for the past 8 years. But it wasn't truly possible (for a majority of games) on the current hardware. (Minus the PC master race of course)

Now that new consoles will arrive to fulfill that, only one system is going to meet that demand. And we know which system that is...........

Wii U.

(Just in case you missed the joke, I obviously mean the PS4)
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Mister_Dawg  +   825d ago
Too right dude.

The last thing going through my head while I'm getting creamed for the 50th time is, "wow that texture looks really low res, wish I'd bought the PS4 version to really appreciate the quality".

However, not sure about counter-strike though. I used to hammer that years ago and it was the best thing at the time. I played it recently on steam and had to rip my eyes out as it looked pretty poo. Thats probably why it runs like a champ. Hell, I bet my wind-up watch could knock out 60frames at 1080p running counter-strike :-)
Matt666  +   825d ago
Well said man, graphics don't mean anything, game-play is a lot more important.
tonywood  +   825d ago
It sure as hell mattered when xbox 360 was lead platform....and lazy developers portred over the games to PS3. (NOW GRAPHICS AND FRAME RATE DONT MATTER...LOL)

-no fanboy, just sayin.
warczar  +   825d ago
@mister dog

your probably going to experience the "wish I'd bought the PS4" feeling as soon as you leave the store with your x1.
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CerebralAssassin  +   825d ago
@tonywood. You no idea how I felt about this generation so dont generalize me as a fanboy. Both systems looked good. For the most part they look the same. The graphics werent deal breaking then. They arent deal breaking now.
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Xwow2008  +   826d ago
Another damage control article, the guy will never say that xbone is weaker than ps4 or the ps4 version will look better (that will anger the hell out of MS).

But somehow he confirmed that titan fall is 720p ;)
"Titanfall has already said they’re going to be 720 on Xbox One"
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jackanderson1985  +   826d ago
didn't know there had been comparisons for COD already
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Brix90  +   826d ago
720p vs 1080p It's Call of Duty of course PS4 is going to look better upscaled or not. How much a difference is up to comparisons?


Feelin some type of way I
cityboy100  +   826d ago
let the ps4 fanboys crap fly !!!!!!! Here we go ..........
brave27heart  +   825d ago
Does resolution matter?

For me, no, the framerate is what matters more.

Im still getting a PS4 though. Because even when you take graphics out the equation Sony still wins for me on their philosophy, track record, their exclusives and their design. And price. And PS Plus. And the controller. And Vita compatability.
DOMination-  +   826d ago
It doesn't look better it just has a bigger resolution. That doesn't make the graphics magically better.
1OddWorld  +   826d ago
Please go learn something because your ignorance is showing.
HaveAsandwich  +   826d ago
it makes everything crisp, and clear, and far better looking, the higher res it is. yup.
mkis007  +   825d ago
Do you not wonder why people like to buy HD remakes??? They may be using the same graphics...but they aren't as hard on the eyes.
DOMination-  +   825d ago
Higher resolution means you can fit more on the screen. The graphics are exactly the same. In fact higher res can be a negative because I have to sit closer to the screen to see stuff and read text.
Sarcasm  +   825d ago
^lol wut

The closer you sit to the screen, the higher the resolution the better.
mistertwoturbo  +   825d ago
Resolution is part of graphics.

There's a thing called pixel density.

Here's an image of Avatar


Do you see the striking difference between the 480p image and 1080p one?
DOMination-  +   825d ago
If you play King Kong on a standard def tv, the graphics are the SAME as if you play on an HDTV. The disc doesn't detect you're playing on a better output and magically pull a different version of the game out of thin air. IT'S THE SAME GAME, SAME GRAPHICS, DIFFERENT RESOLUTION.

Call of Duty is going to have the same assets on both versions. They might be rendered in different resolutions but the GRAPHICS are the same. A higher resolution can look better, this is not something I am denying but the graphics are the SAME.
joseph1111  +   826d ago
Those who state they don't care about graphics, resolution and frame rate should just stay on the Wii site... The argument that graphics and frame rate doesn't matter is for the gullible and as you can see by the likes and dislikes, there are not many gullible people on these threads...
brave27heart  +   825d ago
See my comment above...I dont care about resolution. At all. Does that make my opinion any less valid than yours?

If I tell you Im firmly in Sonys camp does that make my opinion more valid?

Graphics are not the be all and end all, but since they're a positive benchmark for the PS4 people are jumping on them as justification for their choice. Im secure in my choices, I dont need validation from the outside world to be happy with my choice. Ive chosen Sony but you know what, if someones chosen Microsoft and is happy with that choice thats just as good as my decision.

I look around and see fanboys making fun of someone elses decision to buy a product thats different to yours, just so it makes you feel better and I despair at how the human race behaves to each other.
solar  +   826d ago
i thought graphics didnt matter for consoles?
ZBlacktt  +   826d ago
The real question is why 720p and why $500?
falviousuk  +   826d ago
Advanced Kinect camera that comes bundled with the console is why it costs more, why people are unable to understand or see that is beyond me.

And as for the 720p who knows, and really who cares. If the game plays well, ie gameplay then gamers will like it.

Strange how all of a sudden a game that people didnt care for on here because there have been so many COD's is now popular due to a resolution difference between the two consoles.

I guess the sony fanboy brigade will never change
MysticStrummer  +   826d ago
Talking about the differences doesn't make the game popular, and claiming it does doesn't negate the differences.

People aren't able to understand the camera based price difference because most people this generation didn't buy a Kinect. They didn't want it then and they don't want to be forced to pay for it now.
NarooN  +   826d ago
Yeah, an "advanced" Kinect camera that not everyone actually wants, but are forced to pay for anyway. So advanced, even though the PlayStation Camera can basically do anything the new Kinect can do.

Who cares about 720, you ask? Apparently lots of people do, otherwise no one would be talking about it. What a silly question. Stop trying to damage control, everything's not all peachy as you want it to be.
Death  +   826d ago
Over 25 million sold as of last February. Just over 80 million Xbox 360 consoles sold to date. While very impressive for an accessory, the attach rate wasn't enough to warrant a significnt investment by third parties to use the tech. Not to mention it had pretty big limitations. With Kinect 2.0 the limitations were removed. With a 100% attach rate since it's included in the box, development should increase dramatically.

As a gamer I look forward to what the system can do with Kinect 2.0. Simply having prettier games for me no longer has a next gen feel. I want a new way to interact with my entertainment. Sony is being extremely conservative in this matter simply relying on pretty graphics. The Vita is the biggest jump they have made in quite some time and they have all but given up support of the system letting it become an accessory to the PS4.
BX81  +   826d ago
It's useless at this point. If they can't comprehend the camera removed would lower the price they wont understand it cost more to include the kinect.

@NarooN if you think anyone forces you to buy stuff, my advice would be to grow a back bone and buy only what you feel comfortable with.
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InTheLab  +   826d ago
It's not the camera. That thing costs about as much as the retail price of the PSeye to build.

MS CHOSE to make a profit out the gate as well as multiple partnerships with NFL, EA, Activision, and various TV companies and Xbox gamers get to pay for that.

I'm amazed at how many people are foolish enough to believe that camera is the reason why the weaker console is $100 more.

So without the camera, the console is still the same price as it's more powerful counterpart complete with cheaper parts and a cheaper build.

It all falls on the fact that MS wants a profit now and there's a good chance that decision to force the cost on gamers will bite them in the ass once more of the ignorant masses figure out they are being scammed.
fenome  +   826d ago

I'm gonna copy and paste my reply to Death, because it also directly applies to you. I'll spend the bubble on it...

"But have they shown any games that really take advantage of Kinect? I mean justify your purchase however you want, I don't care what people spend their money on. But c'mon, they spent more money building that damn camera than the console and it already shows. Personally I don't see why the camera makes it okay to have the lesser version of games. They haven't shown anything useful enough to justify gimping games over in my opinion. Way too much tech in that damn thing that goes unseen by the people who are actually buying it."
BattleTorn  +   826d ago
Who cares? Xbox gamers care!

It has very little to due with CoD lack of popularity.

It's the fact that a graphically unimpressive game, that we don't care for, it having troubles that makes us concern what may happen to titles we're more interested in.

Thankfully the BF4 disparity isn't as large, but what will happen with Destiny, and the following years multiplats
Brix90  +   826d ago
I'll say it again...I didn't buy a 1080p TV for nothing. PC has set the bar on graphics, PS4 is setting the bar in consoles right now till Xbox can prove it can keep up. We can debate features and what not but at the end of the day we buy consoles to play great games.
sAVAge_bEaST  +   826d ago

-when I read your pathetic comment, all I can think of is
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NarooN  +   826d ago

Lolwat? I never said anything about being forced to buy a system. I was clearly talking about how there's no way to buy an X1 (a new one, anyway) without having to pay for the camera itself. If it weren't for the camera being mandatory, the system would be launching at the same price of the PS4.
UnHoly_One  +   826d ago
Because it is part of the System, NarooN.

Just because you don't like, or don't want it, that doesn't mean squat.

They are making a product, and their product includes a Kinect camera, PERIOD.

It's not being FORCED on anyone. It's part of the system, and it is up to you to decide if you want the system or not, KNOWING FULL WELL that Kinect is part of the deal.

I don't understand these arguments at all.

Maybe I want a PS4 that only plays games. I don't want to do Netflix, or listen to music, or browse the internet. I ONLY want to play games.

Does that mean I should bitch about Sony forcing me to pay for all of these extra features that I don't want and won't use? I should be able to buy a PS4 for 300 dollars that only plays games, right? It's my right as a consumer to demand that a product be tailored exactly to my specific wants and needs and to hell everyone else, right?

No, because that would be stupid. And yet it is the exact same thing you are all doing when you talk about Kinect being "forced" on you.

It's ridiculous. I can't believe there is one person still putting up a fight over this, much less dozens of you.

It's part of the package, and that's that. End of argument.

I'm not saying you have to like it. You don't. Just like you don't have to BUY it.
fenome  +   826d ago

Dude, your argument about netflix and what-not are totally invalid. You don't have to pay for netflix unless you are actually paying for netflix, you don't have to pay to use the app on the PS4. They're ONLY charging you to PLAY online, not to go online, that's M$ doing that. Plus all the free to play games coming to the PS4 are going to be 100% free. Online or not you can play them totally free without plus. Look it up before you pop off about it :)
UnHoly_One  +   826d ago
Fenome you need to read people's comments before you post next time.

I didn't say anything about paying to use Netflix.

The analogy I used involved the cost of the console if it ONLY played games.

You don't believe they could make a cheaper PS4 if the only thing it did was play games, and nothing else?
fenome  +   826d ago

I did read your comment and that is how it sounded to me at first, but after re-reading with better clarification I do apologize. I get what you're saying now. I thought you meant they were stuck behind a pay-wall. I see what you mean now.


People can buy whatever they want, I'm not trying to bash. So many people on here just kind of make stuff up sometimes or are actually just misinformed. Especially about pay-walls and stuff, sometimes it gets annoying, so I guess I might be a little too quick to try to squash stuff :p
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UnHoly_One  +   826d ago
No worries, I wish everyone was as rational about it as you seem to be!
black0o  +   826d ago
No one asked for a dam camera .. and as some1 investing in ps4 i hate to know that xbox will hold malti-plat games once more
1OddWorld  +   826d ago
@UnHoly_One - You are making a bad analogy. The kinnect is an accessory as you have seen Microsoft state it can be disconnected from the system because it doesn't need it to function. They are forcing the consumer to by the accessory that is not needed for the system to function whether they will use it on not.

It's like Microsoft are saying: You want to play the new Xbox? Well, you have to buy kinnect.

"Extra Features" such as Netflix and Hulu+ cost you nothing upfront. They are implemented usually at the cost of the company i.e. "Netflix" as another way to get more people to subscribe to their service.

Now do you see why your analogy was horrible?
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fenome  +   826d ago

You wrote "No one asked for a dam camera .. and as some1 investing in ps4 i hate to know that xbox will hold malti-plat games once more"

I have no idea if you're stealth trolling or just misinformed, but it's been confirmed that the PS4 has the better versions of multi-plat games so far. It even mentions this in the article that we're commenting on, did you bother to read it?
UnHoly_One  +   826d ago
1OddWorld my analogy is fine, you are just being closed minded.
badz149  +   825d ago

It's already known that Kinect is NOT part of the system. It can be disconnected entirely, not mandatory.

Just admit it, Kinect is just another peripheral MS is trying to shove down everyone's throat!

Now, they are paying for it in several ways. Kinect take 10% of the (weak) GPU, The system is underperforming and it's 100 bucks more than its direct competitor.
moparful99  +   825d ago
@Unholy_one. Your analogy is terrible and I will tell you why.. including netflix and hulu and all of ther other apps isn't increasing the price of the PS4 but Kinect has increased the price of the One and there is no option to buy it without kinect.. Therefore those that dont want kinect its either pay more for a weaker console or dont get it at all.. Its an all or nothing proposition ie anti consumer decision so they can justify kinect.. the fact that you and death cannot grasp this concept says alot about your console allegiance..
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spicelicka  +   826d ago
Real question is Cod looks like DooDoo, 1080p doodoo vs 720p doodoo doesn't make is less of a piece of doodoo, so why give a doodoo?
MRMagoo123  +   826d ago
And what about BF4 ? it is going to be a common occurrence PS4 having the better performing muliplats, i think the ppl getting an xbone should really just deal with it and move.
tontontam0  +   825d ago
That's the problem

XBOX one can't even output doodoo graphics at 1080p.
spicelicka  +   825d ago
^^ I don't care, i'm not a fanboy of either console but the truth is....launch games are a gonna look like doodoo in a couple of years anyway.

You really think the XB1 won't be able to run at games at 1080p 60fps? There's already 1080p 60fps games on XB1, even on the Wii U lol, so why are we using COD as a graphics benchmark? You're just happy rejoicing because it gives you some satisfaction that the console you're gonna buy will have launch games at a better resolution, somehow that makes you feel better.

The ps3 has been more powerful than the 360 all of last gen. I own both and I know ps3 has better graphics capabilities, but it doesn't mean shit. Uncharted looks better than any xbox 360 game but i still like looking at gears of war more. Halo 4 won best graphics last year at VGA's right? It all depends on taste and preferences.

So far yes ps4 looks way better than the XB1 and seems to be more capable graphics wise, I haven't made my decision yet but i'm really liking Titanfall and I'm a die hard halo fan. I can tell you one thing for sure though, Call of doodoo being 1080p 60fps isn't going to affect my decision in the slightest.
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Septic  +   826d ago
"So I think people will see the new game and think ‘wow it looks great' "

I have to ask, does anyone here think Call of Duty looks 'great'?

Oh and this is very interesting:

"We might get more resources back at one point. And that could make things change dramatically for the Xbox One, for instance."

So MS' decision to allocate resources to the OS have already played a big part (negatively as far as resolution is concerned). MS better hope that their gamble has paid off.
creatchee  +   826d ago

"I have to ask, does anyone here think Call of Duty looks 'great'?"

Well, therein lies the question. N4G's second biggest pastime after bashing Microsoft consoles is bashing Call of Duty. I have a sneaking suspicion that all of a sudden, the "definitive version" of Ghosts is going to be "important" now that there is disparity between X1 and PS4.
Jdoki  +   826d ago
I do find it funny that CoD, a game series that has been bashed for years on N4G, has suddenly taken on such significance when it can be used as a stick to bash opposing console owners :)
MysticStrummer  +   826d ago
Call of Duty is a big selling series, so yeah identifying the definitive version is important. Some people will buy only one console and they'll choose on the basis of which runs their favorite game better. Others will buy both consoles, but still want CoD to run as good as it can.

The differences between the 360/PS3 CoDs have always been big talking points on here, despite the general bashing of the game that goes on from both sides. CoD didn't look amazing this generation either, but differences between the two versions were discussed heavily with every release. The bashing Jdoki mentions went on all through this generation. It just went the other way.

The fact that CoD doesn't look great is the point. It's not a visually demanding game anyway, but it runs better on one next gen console than the other. If you think that's not significant news to come out right before the two consoles launch, I don't know what to tell you.
Sevir  +   826d ago
Hmmm, I'll bite, bashing COD on N4G is normal, it'll never change, there are people on here who still bash it inspire of the resolution disparities between the Next Gen versions so if you're seeing praise it's because it's a point of leverage that the PS4 is the only console running this game on a level that PCs are...

But what I find funny, is how these disparities, which are quite large ones amongst software on both consoles are suddenly being down played by those paying for a higher price, when they made a BIG deal out of the fact that Xbox 360 had much much smaller visual advantages over the PS3 went it came to multiplats, even though both games ran at sub HD Resolutions, had the same frame rate issues, and screen tearing issues with the Xbox 360 version having better AA 90% of the time?
Back then it was negligible, but Xbox fans and the media made it into a huge selling point over the PS3.

Now, the differences are clear, and huge... Frame rates are better on PS4, Games launch at higher resolutions, have better AA and have depth of field and ambient occlusion and better textures over Xbox One, and fans boys now say "it's not a BIG deal, you can't spot the difference", even though you can. It IS a big deal, if you're paying $100 more for the same software, it better look and run the same or damn near it.

personally it's gonna take other software to hammer the already blatant facts surrounding these console since 2 launch games aren't doing it, the xbox, while capable, is still weaker and unnecessarily more expensive than it's more power competitor... No one expected the differences to show this much at launch but here we are.

To the xbox fanboy, keep saying "it doesn't matter and you can't spot the difference"! Devs are showing the fruits of MS's labor at launch! That 40%/50% weaker theory is such a theory any more! Huh?

Oh and just for the record, I'm not buying COD:Ghost, I still feel the game looks decidedly current gen in comparison to Battlefield 4 which blows it out of the water, let alone Killzone:SF.
InTheLab  +   826d ago
And BF4?
Sarcasm  +   825d ago
And once the hordes of PS4 titles that will have better effects or higher resolutions than the Xbone version come out, what sneaking suspicion will you have then?
Ju  +   825d ago
I'm curious how the next season of "FaceOff" will turn out. I guess same as usual. One sentence - or maybe two - expressing the Playstation advantage followed by 2 paragraphs why it actually doesn't matter - 99% of the time. While if the Playstation is performing worse, it will be 80% article why it performs bad with the conclusion that the XBox version is the one to get.

Hm...these guys from DF should get a raise. Because this season will be infinite more hard work than it was before.
Jdoki  +   826d ago
Yeah, I read that the Kinect 2.0 uses around 10% of the GPU at all times. No doubt as MS creates better optimised drivers etc this figure will drop.

Their 3 OS strategy is also a bit of a gamble.

The problem MS has is that even if they optimise their OS, drivers, background apps etc... Sony will be doing the same with their OS / apps. It may be that Sony have less optimisations to make in comparison, so MS may close the gap a bit in terms of resources they give developers - but the fundamental problem is that the X1 is just less powerful and more complex than the PS4.
MRMagoo123  +   826d ago
10% extra gpu isnt gonna cut the mustard still tho, that 10% is cut from the 1.3tflps card its not added to it, the cards weak as is compared to the PS4 but the 10% they take off for the other crap is just making the gap wider. So basically when they are using the gpu at mo for games its 1.18 or some crap like that the 10%will just take it back to 1.3 which wont help much.
XxGOWxX  +   826d ago
The resources the cod devs were talking about was the 10% gpu the kinect is always using. theres an article about it on here somewhere. could be a rumor though.
Death  +   826d ago
Well Septic, I think it looks great and am looking forward to it's release on the next gen consoles. I also base a games merits on it's "fun factor" and the overall game playing experience. At the end of the day what is important ot me is if I enjoyed the time I spent playing both offline and with my friends.
Septic  +   826d ago
Fair enough mate. I hope you enjoy the game.
Pintheshadows  +   826d ago
"So I think people will see the new game and think ‘wow it looks great' "

Hahahaha. It wouldn't look good in 4k, let alone 720p. It looks awful. Flat textures, lifeless environments, poor lighting, dull colour palette, awful character models.
mayberry  +   826d ago
"The man hours that have gone into the release of the game – across PC, Wii U, Xbox 360, PS3, Xbox One and PS4 in the next month – must have been extraordinary."...
Really! Maybe they should of focused on making a game that doesn't look (early)last gen! Or trying to release on so many platforms that it sucks overall! 4hr campaign? Come on people! You reap what you sow.....
Dirkster_Dude  +   826d ago
Eventually I will have both consoles, but even then I will NOT care about the graphics so much as how you control the game. The graphics will be good regardless and if you care so much about graphics you're to some extent missing the point of the game. Or the game isn't doing it's job to immerse you. So far I have seen an improvement in the PS4 and XB1 controllers, but haven't had a chance to try them out. That will be most likely the deciding factor since I consider graphics a non-issue at least for this game at this time.
RadioActiveTwinky  +   826d ago
Did anybody notice how he also mentions out Titanfall at 720p also. Does he actually know this?
Majin-vegeta  +   826d ago
Obviously.I'm sure DEVS talk amongst each other and whatever other dribble.
n4gamingm  +   826d ago
read the esram article it explains why
fossilfern  +   826d ago
What article ?
Visiblemarc  +   826d ago
I love how devs pretend they can't tell the difference. They do this for a living.
BattleTorn  +   826d ago
So true eh
dansdooz  +   826d ago
holy shit, i think this pretty much confirms it, the xb1 is in trouble, so disappointed with xb1 im even looking at my 360 with contempt!
bumnut  +   826d ago
Why is it in trouble? One console has to be more powerful than other, but that does not mean the weaker one is in trouble.
Infamous298  +   826d ago
with that price tag, it IS a problem for the xbox one
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dansdooz  +   826d ago
this is my opinion and applies to ME only but the 720p is a huuuge issue for me! honestly i am sick of people saying it doesnt matter, it does! i was so hyped for xb1 to be the center of my entertainment but this totally overshadows everything else, i am so close to cancelling my order totally fed up with ms.
People who have pre ordered are 'into' their games and know about things like resolution, this is a big deal and titanfall in 720p too? this is like a bad dream i cant wake up from...
Strange_Days  +   826d ago
Steady on mate...

A lack of power never hindered the Nintendo Wii now, did it?
dansdooz  +   826d ago
nintendo is a totally different kettle of fish, nintendos market is not the same as xbox, ps4 is in direct competition with xb1, if 2 products are so similar but one easily outperforms the other its a no brainer surely?
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KionicWarlord222  +   826d ago
Titanfall,bf4, and cod ghosts 720p.

Its like a storms brewing in the distance.
CJDUNCAN  +   826d ago
Has titanfall been confirmed at 720p?
KionicWarlord222  +   826d ago
No. But hearing Mark Rubin say this is pretty damn convincing.
CJDUNCAN  +   826d ago
Is he going off the rumor. I found his quote saying that Respawn has said that titanfall will be at 720p, but nobody else in the public got that memo. So that leads me to believe he's assuming it based on rumor to cover his tracks as to why they are only doing 720p on X1.

He even brings up battlefield 4 as well, seems like he's making an effort to say hey these guys are doing it too just so that IW can save face.

I guess we shall see, at least Titanfall has a few months to crank out a stellar effort.
pyramidshead  +   826d ago
Not heard about Destiny or Assassin's Creed 4 yet either.....or watch dogs.
CJDUNCAN  +   826d ago
He says it's the first crack on new consoles. I can respect that, see ya next year CoD.
PsylentKiller  +   826d ago
If the haptic feedback in the triggers of the XB1 controller work exceptionally well, people may view that as a way to even up the playing field when it comes to games that utilize that feature.
Strange_Days  +   826d ago
Perhaps, but incorporated with things like head tilt, a-la BF4 Kinect for leaning round corners, then it gives us just that little more immersion.

That's not to say that a more detailed playing environment wouldn't give us the same level of immersion however.
christocolus  +   826d ago
nice article.getting cod day one..i cant wait to try it out on the new xbx live...but the 4hr campaign length sort of bothers me..hope this doesnt become the norm.
BattleTorn  +   826d ago
The last sentence was the best part of the entire article

"But I couldn’t recommend a specific console over another, I think people will figure that one out."

IOW - I can't outright say PS4, and I think people get that.
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MRMagoo123  +   826d ago
Well that is the thing is basic common sense really thats the thing some ppl seem to lack on this site (xbone fanboys) ,If you have an identical game on 2 consoles but one is 720p and the other is 1080p who in the flying hell will choose the 720p version.
InTheLab  +   826d ago
So he's saying normal people cant tell the difference between...

[---------------------------- -----------720p]


[--------------------------10 80p--------------------------- -------------------------- -]

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larrysdirtydrawss  +   826d ago
Correct Death the price difference is because of Kinect, actually even the first Kinect cost more than $100 so its actually cheaper. If you dont like Kinect thats a seperate matter, fact is Kinect comes standard thats the price difference. Also just because 2 launch games have a lower resolution than ps4 does not mean it will be that way going forwa rd, its all about more time with new eSRAM, sdk's, dev tools which micro excels at and optimizing, sure ps4 may still have a small edge in multis throughout the lifecycle but it wont be a 1080p vs 720p difference. In fact 1080p games are already launching on X1 unlike 360 which means like every gen previous it will only improve.

only games getting 1080p are sports/racers,not complicated games. sony has better tools than micro,ask any dev at beyond3d,so dont expect miracles from micro. and theres no miracle tools thats gonna expand the tiny 32MB esram size. thats always gonna be a problam with bigger complicated games trying to get to 1080p with stable framerates and decent AA,its just not happening.. even if sony added the camera(60$),its still 40$ less than the one,then you factor in live is 60$ compared to sony 50$ psn charge,it will still cost a total of 50$ more than the ps4,and with much less power
DoubleM70  +   826d ago
I'm assuming Direct X 11.2 was not used in the making of COD.
horndog  +   826d ago
The average joe or casual gamer can't tell. They don't even undertand the difference between 1080i, 720p and 1080p. The average gamer doesn't have two displays side by side with a ps4 and a x1 along side. Ps fanboys blow this crap up because they have nothing else happening on ps4 and lack of quality exclusives at launch. I can't wait for my x1.
jc12  +   826d ago
As a life-long Xbox owner, I have come to love Xbox Live and the 360 controller. Moreover, the interface was always fast and efficient. Thus, when I saw the X1 announcement a few months back, I was certain I was going to purchase the system. After all, it would only be a normal progression for me to go from the xbox, to the 360, and then the 1 right?

Well, then, I saw the PS4. I've never liked the DS1-3 controllers, never liked the PS3 interface, or its online service. I found them all to be greatly lagging behind Microsoft. That being said, the now PS4 looks like a true game changer at this point - even for me, a loyal Xbox owner.

The system is not only cheaper, but its more powerful. I have a really hard time justifying the purchase of X1 if cross-platform games are going to look noticeable worse. Moreover, the DS4 looks much better, as does the PS4's user interface.

My heart keeps telling me to get the X1, but my brain keeps telling me to get the PS4. And, right now, my brain is winning.

I cant help but feel like other loyal Xbox users are feeling the same way...Its been a truly rough launch for Microsoft.
Mkai28  +   826d ago
I agree 100%, I preferred the Xbox console last gen because of third party games were better( not trasticly) but better. And because most of my friends were on that platform. We mostly played PS3 for exclusives. But this time around the PS4 seems to have the better hardware, better price, and better third party versions. The only thing xbox one has going is exclusives.(for launch anyway)Dedicated servers for every game,ect.

At this day and age you want more for your money and the PS4 is looking to take the graphics crown on all aspects 1sft/3rd parties.
Ps: I bet if the X1 was a woman your heart would be winning;)
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mistertwoturbo  +   825d ago
That's a fair point about the controller, but to be fair you have to get your hands on the PS4 controller.
azshorty2003  +   826d ago
It matters. For an entire generation it was 360 fans bashing at every time a game looked better on Xbox over PS3. Now its Xbox fans trying to downplay it as if they forget what went on over the past 7 years.

The roles are reversed now. What do you expect?
ma1asiah  +   826d ago

If you were a Playstation gamer who loved playing COD this generation, did you end up buying an Xbox 360 due to it having the better resolution????? I mean, just so you could have the better version of the game graphically.

Or despite this did you just enjoy the game for what it was and stuck with the PS3 regardless.

I am an Xbox gamer, it has officially been confirmed that we will have the weaker version graphically...Does that make me want to throw in the towel and get a PS4 just so I can play COD Ghost (or some of the other multiplats) in a higher resolution....... NO!!!!

Next gen is more than just prettier graphics.....Yes at present it is the only thing we can compare....BUT starting very shortly we are about to engage in conversations around which offers a unique experience not possible with this generation of consoles. Which pushes the boundaries of what is possible in game beyond just prettier graphics.

Both are going to bring different interactions and experiences that are going to blow us away in a positive way. They both are just going to take different approaches to what Next Gen truly means.

If being 1080p capable and native was all it took to be next gen then the PC elitists are correct when they say that graphically they have been next gen for years.

Somthing to think about......or not
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Ysmir6723  +   826d ago
my pc has been 1440p capable for 2 years now...and will be 2160p capable after 2 years...
ma1asiah  +   826d ago
Being capable of better graphics even at 4k res does not automatically = Next gen experience. It just means your games look better
jacksjus  +   826d ago
Not to be funny, but if being able to talk to my tv is considered next gen ok fine. Why do I have to pay an extra $400 for another XBox 360? Why not just make a product called MS TV or something? This is no attack on anyone and I find a lot of these comments hilarious. This is indeed a console war, which is just like any tech war. Based on what I said up top next gen consoles is first and foremost about the graphics. If it were not no one would pay $$$$ for the next gen when the current version runs just fine. Now I do agree 100% with people eventually being completely satisfied with whatever they do end up getting.
moparful99  +   825d ago
@ma1asiah Sony won me with free online that in execution was on par with Live especially the last few years.. Plus having much better exclusives and more variety of said exclusives softened the blow..
mistertwoturbo  +   825d ago
I see what you're getting at.

But honestly it's not the same comparison.

In the 360 vs PS3 days, the differences were at most 5-10% in resolution. That small difference really doesn't matter especially as time went on, both systems were fairly equal. So regardless people would just buy what's available on their system.

This generation is much different as the gap between the two consoles really is about 40-60%. The PS4 is vastly more powerful than the Xbox One. They aren't even comparable.

You will start to see that once the exclusives come out that fully take advantage of the PS4.

So it's not about "prettier graphics" it's about getting your moneys worth.

If you had the choice to get a 1080p TV for $400 or a 720p TV for $500. You'd be an idiot to pick the latter. And guess what, the analogy is almost exact.
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Ysmir6723  +   826d ago
Dear lord,xbone and ps4 have apus.Their gpus are mid and low end.My pc with msi 280x crossfire and 3570k costed 800 euros and is 4 times faster and does at least 200 things more.Go play at your couch...
moparful99  +   825d ago
Go learn english.. lmao "costed" smh.
skoorydook  +   826d ago
Not sure why some people can't see the mandatory kinnect as an issue for some, plenty of gamers want an Xbox One but don't want kinnect.

Saying its part of the package the end is a poor stance to have on the subject tbh
Hicken  +   825d ago
Oh, it's definitely bad form out of Microsoft, but as long as they have people like Death and JokesOnYou defending the choice, they'll keep it up.
pete007  +   826d ago
this hole crap about resolution downgrade, more power, less power bullshit starts to get annoying.
on a second you all came out of your shells ringing all bells skyhigh because for once in history sony has beatten microsoft!! what a spectacle for such a small victory pals!
now we have 399 usd graphics hores, stop making me laugh please because if you cared abit about graphics you´d all be buing gtx titans and r9´s top end cards.
you bitched on crytec´s crysis series for not delivering on your 90%plastic 10% silicon cases or lets get the ratio more accurate 95/05%. when on pc we have some of the greatest masterpieces ever conceived by this industry and believe me "60 fps all crysis play like a charm. among others out there.
now let me get straight, one game does not makes the hole generation history, in the long run well have both companies fighting for the best games and perhaps diffrent approaches, dont forget that for too long you´ve been played shitty ports, sub hd, screen teared to shit titles and it seems to me that tables turned a bit. No worries cause its all the beginning, they´ll be leveled again in no time.
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skoorydook  +   826d ago
Think someone needs a hug
mkis007  +   825d ago
I imagined him breaking down into tears after he was finished... You'll see, You'll all see!!
mistertwoturbo  +   825d ago
This image applies

lol you really can see the tears running down his eyes.

"Xbox One why you suck!?"
ziggurcat  +   826d ago
it's really easy to spot the difference. pick up one game box from each system, turn it over, and look for the resolution information.
osprey19  +   826d ago
Thing is with resolutions is diminishing returns. Going from 360p to 720p is blindingly obvious. But with 720 to 1080, if u sit more than a metre away from the screen (most will) its not so obvious at all. So 1080 native to up scaled 1080 is almost identical unless uve got a microscope.
cyclindk  +   826d ago
Depends on your screen size actually, otherwise yes, if you keep a 23 inch TV for the rest of forever, it won't matter so much (minus the sort of bonus affect higher resolution has on aliasing).
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beerzombie  +   825d ago
screen size and distance make the biggest difference in what you can see theses are facts.
even with 20/20 vision the further back you sit the more they will look the same. the larger TV allows you to see more and that's why 4k TV will not be a big impact for a long time.
Back-to-Back  +   826d ago
If thats the mentality you have to have to justify owning the xbone, then I am happy I am going ps4.
cyclindk  +   826d ago
It's understandable... but way to go dodging every single question without a direct answer (not all answers need be complex, just "yes" or "no" this is for all intents and purposes BETTER).

Everbody already knows they will likely play where their friends are and all that garbage.

Easy, higher resolution is BETTER unless you have some disorder in which a higher native resolution causes your brain to start hemorrhaging...
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cell989  +   826d ago
Poor Mark had to find the right words to sound as neutral as possible lol, I bet he was sweating on this one
jacksjus  +   826d ago
No point in interviewing this guy over this because it's not like he could throw MS under the bus, even if he did agree that it is the weaker of the two. These companies need better PR as these presidents don't know when to shut up. If you believe that they did not bother to compare the two next gen versions you're a fool. Notice that he contradicted himself when he said hopefully in the future both systems will have the same game. That would mean that they would have to compare them in order to achieve that. So why is it that they weren't comparing them from the outset? Especially when they know that programming on both systems was something new to them.

By the way, if you are one of the ones that could care less about graphics, don't post anything. Leave the complaining to those that actually do care. That is all.
bornsinner  +   826d ago
who cares ps4 games suck, and so do cod graphics, i'd rather have my 1 month early dlc & dedicated servers. there both gonna look very much the same. sony fanboys enjoy looking at pixels with microscopes while i play in lag free new dlc maps
beerzombie  +   825d ago
dedicated servers this is being over looked but then Xbox gamers play more online than psn fan boy who play uncharted linear games.
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cell989  +   826d ago
Poor Mark as a marketing figure for all platforms, those were some very tough questions to answer. It didnt help that the journalist kept blasting him with the overall question of; Is the PS4 that powerful? but he answered very good on all questions.
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