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Submitted by smiller1 251d ago | opinion piece

Why Xbox One's 720p problem is the biggest deal-breaker yet

VideoGamer: "For a long time I've accepted Microsoft's rhetoric on the power of Xbox One. I've gone along with the talk about balance; I've acknowledged the promise of Cloud technology; and I've empathised with its frustration over the ongoing community backlash." (Microsoft, Xbox One)

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allformats  +   251d ago | Well said
It is. Soon we'll be in 2014, 720 gaming in such a modern world, on a games console that will be around for the better part of ten years, and a console that's sold at $100 higher than it's more powerful, 1080p capable competitor, is simply unacceptable, and you'd be blind to think otherwise.
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slimeybrainboy  +   251d ago
I still think that this is being blown out of proportion. Devs only found out the final specs this year. Engines arent really optimised for next gen consoles yet.

I think this highlights that the PS4 is more powerful, but I dont think this means that the XB1 wont be able to 1080p 60fps in future multiplats. Didnt alot of devs say they were shocked by the PS4 GDDR5 announcement in Feb? And dev kits were only finalised a couple of months ago.

As developers get a hang of the XB1 hardware they'll be able to get alot more out of it. Look at the PS3 launch games compared to GTAV.
The Meerkat  +   251d ago | Well said
But then PS4 devs will improve too.

They might not add more pixels or fps but the PS4 devs could add better lighting or AA.

There is no way anybody can put a positive spin on this news without looking like they are employed by MS
theBAWSE  +   251d ago | Well said
@slimeybrain

well doesn't that goes for ps4 as well? Sony changed the specs so devs are not used to its architecture either and yet.... it's pushing DOUBLE the pixels of xbone

this will not get better as devs get used to both consoles the gap will widen as the ps4 is that more powerful
shivvy24  +   251d ago
I see why it wasn't called the xbox720
/s
@slimey, I kinda do agree with you but I doubt theres gonna be much of a difference on resolution once optimised
AsimLeonheart  +   251d ago
Both consoles are starting at an equal footing right now. There is no doubt that Xbone will improve over the years but so will the PS4. It is just like two brothers ageing together. When the 5 year old reaches 10, the formerly 10 year old is already 15. The little one will never be able to catch up.
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vigilante_man  +   251d ago | Well said
Now we know why they didn't name the new console XBox 720!!

In 2-3 years the tools will be there to get the XB1 as close to where the PS4 is now as possible. By that time the PS4 tools will be even more advanced.

The PS4 has the raw power. It will always be ahead in terms of graphics. Lets get used to this right away and move on.

Now we know, we can focus on the most important thing - the GAMES!
scofios  +   251d ago
Dudes calm down you can soon buy 1080p dlc on live .
Or 1080p if you are gold :-)
4Sh0w  +   251d ago
"But then PS4 devs will improve too."

So, but why are we pretending 2 lower res games mean that X1 cant do 1080p its whole lfetime, besides the fact that there are already 1080p games on the console now?
Crazay  +   251d ago
I find the # of disagrees comical.

You're absolutely right. PS3 was notoriously difficult to develop for but developers figured it out with time and the system benefited greatly for it. The same will happen here, for both systems even.
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tigertom53  +   251d ago
I love a lot of things about Microsoft but I agree with what this person wrote Sony has sealed my purchase first this generation. maybe down the road I will look at Microsoft with price drops and new sku for what exclusives they might have....
tigertom53  +   251d ago
Xbox should of been easier to develop for being X86 processor and the architecture similar to xbox 360 im not sure how much more they can improve this generation, it seems like a slightly better xbox 360 with a little bit more cpu power and ram...
bcrazy18  +   251d ago
I agree with you. I've stayed this before, the PS4 is easier to code for and the devs just recently got the finalized dev kits.

@ The Meerkat and theBAWSE.... Yes it does mean the PS4 will ass well but the Xbox One had more to gain than the PS4 so the improvement will be more with the Xbox One over time.
Stick89  +   251d ago
The comparison of Xbox One to PS3 when it comes to programming isn't very good. The Xbox One's architecture is for the most part identical to the Xbox 360's (everything is just bigger and better of course) yet it's specs when compared to the PS4 are lacking and there is no denying that, there is no secret sauce here for developers to figure out. The PS3 on the other hand launched with a totally unknown architecture and was arguably on par or better than the 360 spec wise (except for not unifying the RAM). Once developers figured out how to code for the PS3 they were able to create games that matched what 360 could do, and in terms of exclusives look better than anything 360 had.

TLDR:
Xbox One architecture isn't new, no secret formula.

PS3 had a totally unique architecture and therefore had room for growth as developers learned it.

Apples to oranges.
NewMonday  +   251d ago
@bcrazy18

actually the upside is even bigger on the PS4 because future games will tap into GPU compute and developers will let themselves loos with the huge RAM bandwidth.
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boneso82  +   251d ago
Current PS3 owners are going to buy a PS4, if and when they upgrade. A significant percentage of 360 owners are going to buy a PS4, if and when they upgrade. A percentage of 360 owners are going to buy an Xbone, if and when they upgrade. That percentage of 360 owners moving to Playstation next gen are what is going to make the difference in sales, because nobody already in the Sony camp are going to convert to a more expensive, less powerful and most importantly, unfamiliar and unliked piece of hardware from a company they are not familiar with who have dug themselves a very very very deep hole. It's only a matter of time before they are buried alive in it.
gaffyh  +   251d ago
It's actually quite a well thought out article, and you can tell the writer is genuinely frustrated at the fact that MS has blatantly lied to everyone up to this point when it comes to the power of the system when compared to the PS4.

Major Nelson said he was looking forward to the truth coming out. I bet he regrets saying that now...
UltimateMaster  +   251d ago
@People saying Xbox One will get better with time.

No doubt it will.

The PS4's GPU is still superior, meaning they can push graphics even more so than the Xbox One can.

It's not some foreign architecture that's hard to develop for, maybe it is in the case of the eSRAM but that's it.
3rd party developers made almost identical games last gen because they did not want to bother to learn the Cell, but first party made good use of it.

Now, not only will first part devs make good use of it, but so will 3rd party and it's already showing. Some sites say you can only increase the performance of Gb/s by 40 with the eSRAM, with the 68Gb/s of DDR3, it makes around 105/110 GB/s as opposed to the easier GDDR5's 176Gb/s.
Other sites say it can reach 200Gb/s in total, but it's still not that significant.

First one, 110 VS 176, X1=62% of the Ps4
Second one "max optimization in some future", PS4=88% of the X1
(This comes from somewhataccurate.com, just the name of the website makes me feel like, meh.)
That's if they even use the eSRAM, 68 VS 176, X1=38% of the PS4.

And that's before we count in the GPU PS4 50% > X1.

So yeah, if everything were already optimized maybe it would be a bigger debate, maybe not, but developers are hating the eSRAM because it's too complicated. So, your call.
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theAMC1981  +   251d ago
Both consoles will improve, but how much, nobody knows. I just don't think people should rule out Xbox One so fast. We can see that the PS4 is more powerful (on paper), but so was the PS3. It depends on what they bring to the platform. How can a system (360) have a 50% fail rate, but still stay on top for 32 months? I'm sure Xbox will be worth it as well as PS4 will be.

I can't wait to see the next God of War.

If nobody can put a positive spin on this news about the resolution without sounding like they are employed by Microsoft themselves then the person who thinks this is a reason to not get a Xbox One is employed by Sony. There is no way that the Xbox One will suck (really people... suck?) as people say who have never played it, but seem to follow what other people say.

A game system hasn't really sucked for years
The CD-i sucked. Virtual Boy sucked.

The RROD was a horrible situation, but at least people got to play theirs for a few years, but the PS3 had updates that killed off the system completely (an update!) a lot of times if you didn't update, you couldn't experience some better features until you did. That is scary. I'm glad I never had a single problem with updates though. Let's just hope things are better this time.

We finally got some PS4 games at my job and I instantly got hyped. We got a Xbox One demo too, but can't set it up which is killing me. People need to be experiencing these consoles and we need to set up the damn kiosk.
gaffyh  +   251d ago
@theAMC - "We can see that the PS4 is more powerful (on paper), but so was the PS3."

Difference is, PS3 was A LOT more difficult to code for than the Xbox 360. Which is why nobody other than Sony devs were able to fully take advantage of the system. This time round, PS4 is as easy, and looks like it is in fact easier to code for than the Xbone. I said it months ago, this would most likely mean better looking third party games on PS4 vs Xbone, and looks like I and a lot of others, were right.

"It depends on what they bring to the platform. How can a system (360) have a 50% fail rate, but still stay on top for 32 months?"

Simple, price. Xbox 360 has been $100 or more cheaper than the cheapest PS3 for the entire generation. The other thing to make note of is that this is in America, which MS has focused on this gen and most likely will next gen. Worldwide, PS3 has been outselling Xbox 360 for a while now. The final thing to remember is that some of those 360 sales are from consoles that have failed or been banned, so people buying multiples. I have 1 failed one out of warranty myself and have 1 working one.

If your system gets bricked, it is actually fixable, as it is a software issue. RROD and YLOD are hardware issues, much more difficult to fix. My PS3 has never gotten bricked by an update.
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SilentNegotiator  +   251d ago
"Engines arent really optimised for next gen consoles yet"

Didn't stop developers on Ps4.
UltimateMaster  +   251d ago
All consoles will do their best to push the graphics.
LocutusEstBorg  +   251d ago
10 year old PCs with a fraction of the power of the Xbox One ran games at 1080p.
Ps4Console  +   251d ago
Yeah they did find out this year & the same time as each other but the Ps4 can run at 1080p but the Xbox one can't explain .
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AsimLeonheart  +   251d ago | Well said
I wonder where are all those Xbone fans that said that the developers will program for the lowest common denominator and the PS4's potential will be wasted anyway so it does not matters if the PS4 is a "little" more powerful. They were so horribly wrong.
Now we see that the PS4 is much more powerful and its potential is being utilized.

BF4 PS4 = 1600x900 = 1,440,000 pixels
BF4 Xbone = 1280x720 = 921,600 pixels

PS4 is pushing 56.25% more pixels than Xbone!

CoD Ghosts PS4 = 1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels
CoD Ghosts Xbone = 1280x720 = 921,600 pixels

PS4 is pushing 125% more pixels than Xbone!

The better textures, lighting, anti-aliasing and frame rate to boot are a completely another matter. The fact is that the PS4 is simply much more powerful than the Xbone and once the Santa Monica and Naughty Dog games are revealed, we will truly understand the difference in power.
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Elit3Nick  +   251d ago
you have to realize that resolution is only a certain part of the game, just because BF4 PS4 version has 56.25% more pixels, does not mean that it's more powerful by the same amount, assuming that both were using the same everything(textures, lighting etc.) it would mean that it's about 20% more powerful. But the fact here is that the BF4 X1 version IS using better textures, I mean not marginally better, but multiple comparisons confirm this, the difference is a bit smaller, not to mention that they are still working out the ESRAM means that gap might close even more. Not saying that both will have identical performance at their max, but the difference between the two is much smaller than most people here like to think
McScroggz  +   251d ago
@Elit3Nick The Xbox One isn't using better textures, Infinity Ward just simply increased the sharpness. Well, that's what it looks like to me at least. Based off of everything I've read about game design the game with the lower resolution isn't going to have better textures - that's backwards.

The Xbox One's version has it's sharpness and contrast tuned higher with weaker overall visual effects. There isn't a huge difference for people who aren't sensitive to these things (For the most part I consider myself among them), but this idea that the lower resolution versions of games will have better textures, etc. is just a farce.
AnteCash  +   251d ago
You dont need to w8 for ND or SM ,Gameinformer already sed that Order 1886 is the best looking game they have ever seen.
TristanPR77  +   251d ago
Agree with you. What is shocking here is the extreme denial that the xbox community have, they even believe that an inferior version of a game will look better than the superior version.
cell989  +   251d ago
@Elit3Nick extreme denial, I get what youre trying to say, but you seem to emphasize your point way overboard, like youre trying real hard to let people know the xbone isnt that bad, when in reality I think it is.

I bet the PS4 version has (for the mist part) been done, and it was the xbone version Infinity Ward had to really optimize to get it running at 60FPS. HAd they spent more time optimizing the PS4 version we would have better lightning, effects, and AA as well. That extra horsepower was just used to bump the resolution.

I picture developer nightmares with the xbone SDKs
Sayai jin  +   251d ago
This will be a deal breaker for some of the core. While having the best graphics appeals to some of us most of the base which makes up the casual which is the majority of the market are not really going to compare graphic specs side by side. Casuals on the other hand are going to go with brand name and/or price and errr availability. The PS4 has the upper-hand on price. MS is missing an opportunity to have a matching or cheaper price point.

All in all what does this really mean....if you want to play games that are only on the PS4 then they'll get a PS4 and if you want to play games that are only on the XB1 then they'll get a XB1.
boing1  +   251d ago
Word of mouth is enough for MS to be worried. And this is just the beginning.
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5eriously  +   251d ago
@Sayai jin

THUS if you want the best of both worlds then play the best games on the PC and the best exclusives on PS4. Than that makes the eXB0Ne an eXN0Ne and totally redundant in my books. I will look at the eXB0Ne in future purely for the Kinect2 experience unless the Kinect2 also becomes available for the PC.
MynextGen  +   251d ago
Denial and your Ps4 wont be around that long remember we have games you don't we have dedicates servers you dont we have money you don't

Aww no Hdd support and lots of other stuff not coming at your launch lmao
LoveOfTheGame  +   251d ago
I'm more of an Xbox guy, but this goes to fans of both sides:

Don't use the word "we" to describe the community you are a part of. It just comes off weird as you are most likely not a part of that company.
InTheLab  +   251d ago
There's dedicated servers for PS3 games.

Internal HDD is still a thing.

MS has money but not to burn on a failed launch or yet another failure like the first Xbox, RRoD, zune and eventually surface.

You also only have Forza and DR3 for launch. Titanfall is multiplat and coming in March. The other games you have look and perform better on another console.
TristanPR77  +   251d ago
PS4 have HDD replacement and xbone don't.
PS3 have dedicated servers
Microsoft have money and yet they have never won a console generation while Sony have won 2 console generations and have the best console of history, the PS2.

Don't force it, accept it and die in peace.
Funnymonkey013  +   251d ago
Have fun with ur weaker gimmicks cable box while we enjoy games the way they r made to look best on PS4:)
SonyKong64  +   251d ago
wow.. please don't breed = /
IcicleTrepan  +   251d ago
It's not a 'cancel pre-order' type of deal breaker for me as I have both preordered. What it is for me is a 'looks like I'm buying all multiplats for PS4.'
onyoursistersback  +   251d ago
Some people want to take full advantage of there set ups!! 1080p large tv/surround sound, nothing wrong wanting a system/console that can take full advantage of there sick setups.
tigertom53  +   251d ago
still Microsoft will have 2x better audio processor, but will suck in the graphics
Shnooze  +   251d ago
@tigertom53

Audio.. Processor? Don't you mean sound card?
IRON883  +   251d ago
I don't really understand why is it only 720p? I mean come on we're on the door step of next gen and Xbox drops this brown bag of flaming poop on us??? Not cool
ambientFLIER  +   251d ago
Microsidt didn't develop COD ghosts...so why the hell are you blaming them? BF4 looks better and has WAY more going on, so obviously the console can handle better graphics. Forza is 1080p/60fps bative...
tigertom53  +   251d ago
Microsoft F**k up the GPU....
ziggurcat  +   251d ago
@ ambient:

IW not being able to get CoD @1080p native on xbone means one of two things:

1. the hardware isn't strong enough (which is why you could blame MS).

2. the people at IW are awful programmers, and should probably just stop making games altogether if they can't get native 1080p @ 60fps (and CoD isn't necessarily known for taxing the system, graphically) on a console that is at least 10x more powerful than current gen tech.

xbone supporters are probably now seeing what PS3 owners had to deal with early on in this generation's life cycle - bad ports from lazy devs. we're even starting to see "bu-bu-but xbone is more difficult to program for" excuses (which i've always thought as being lazy talk from devs, even on PS3) coming from the xbox camp, and esram isn't exactly new tech, either...
cell989  +   251d ago
@ambientFLIER: you really got to stop using Forza as an example of supreme graphics, the game runs on a lot of old gen tech, Forza is more of a xbox360 port for xbone, which is why its able to achieve 1080P/60FPS a lot of smoke and mirrors on that game. Ryse is still the best visually impressive game xbone has
mistertwoturbo  +   251d ago
People should have a look at this

http://i.imgur.com/qWs3tuQ....
T2  +   251d ago
Show me exactly where any developers stated xbone is hard to develop for and is not simply lower in power .

^wow quite a graphic , thats crazy
Darrius Cole  +   251d ago
It took me a few minutes to realize that the PS4 screen is the black space. i thought it was background wallpaper.
IRON883  +   251d ago
Yup that's a great point buddy good job
SL1M DADDY  +   251d ago
It's a shame to think that the Xbox team has been resting on their laurels like this. It all feels like the last launch in reverse. I wonder if MS will be able to pull themselves up from this much like Sony did the last gen.
devwan  +   251d ago
The xbox team haven't been resting on laurels - they're been working hard to create the system and ecosystem they were tasked with - al all-in-one living room box. Not a games console. People inside the xbox team apparently made plenty of comments and suggestions regarding the direction, policies and focus of the platform - but it's the suits in charge and they prioritised TV and TV content over gaming (apparently investing more money in this than gaming). They took gaming and gamers for granted - that was a given for them, they already had them in the bag. They wanted 10x the audience and it looks like they'll have to settle for only a fraction of what they thought they had and no more.
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Warrick  +   251d ago
WHO CARES TELL ME WHEN YOU NOTICE A DIFFERENCE IN GRAPHICS! plus cloud is awsome fixes glitches also better lighting and better graphics on game. xbox spent 700million PS4 spent 380 xbox. Cloud is next generation gaming and Microsoft knows it enough said.
T2  +   251d ago
Even if it wasnt a big deal now , it will be . My new prediction is xbox two aka xbox 1080p drops in 4 years
strickers  +   251d ago
That is a wall of babble.
Funnymonkey013  +   251d ago
Dude u must be blind the cloud does not make games look better all it does is make better al. And slightly better connection on games that's it. So how about u start reading what things r and do before writing something that isn't true really people like u r laughable fanboys.
Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II  +   251d ago
hahahahaha
SonyKong64  +   251d ago
can't wait for puberty can you? it'll come, literally = )
IRON883  +   251d ago
It is a big deal the Xbox one is suppose to be the next gen gaming system but they don't want to move up
LAYLOW  +   251d ago
Channeling my inner IVERSON . " What are talking about COD ? COD ? we are talking about COD ! COD....? not a REAL 1st party Game that we all love and wait for with infinite anticipation ,no not that ,we are talking about COD ! COD ? We are talking about COD ....CALL OF DUTY ,CALL OF DUTY PEOPLE ,CALL OF DUTY!! Seriously ? We are talking about COD ? Not a actual game that we here about in development for years and we cant wait to get our hands on for a years before its launch,no not that ,weare talking about CALL OF DUTY? Man who gives a fuq if that shitty game 480,720,1080 .....its COD !! Call of duty people ........call of duty!! Blahahahahah!!
devwan  +   251d ago
We are talking about only one of a very few multiplat games we can compare directly on both platforms. Laugh all you like - it'll continue as more and more multiplats arrive to both systems.
Foxhound922  +   251d ago
Wait....what game is it? Call of what?

OT: Still this is no excuse, and the fact that it is call of duty kind of goes against what you are saying. Cod is in no way shape or form a next gen game. It's not a hard game to run in terms of processing. If current generation games can run it, then there should be no reason why the x1 can't. If they can't get a simple copy and paste, simple game to run on par with the ps4, then what can they?
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jmc8888  +   251d ago
Actually so far we're talking about multiple games, and expect it to be HUNDREDS of games by the end of the generation.

It does matter, because at 1080p, you can better see the camping snipers in the distance. Or some guy trying to hide somewhere.

It definitely means something.

Every bit the ESRAM leaves on the table, increases the ~50-400 percent power difference the PS4 holds over the Xbox One.

If you had two cars racing, one had 300 HP, one had 500 HP, which one would win? Easily the 500 HP. But what if besides this raw advantage the 300 HP car also had a wonky fuel line, which might only give you only 1/3 flow on fuel? The 500 HP car would thrash the 300 HP car by far larger margins.

ESRAM is going to be an issue in EVERY GAME. It's something that more experienced devs, in yearly franchise type settings, will get somewhat better with it, but it will always be an issue. As for the medium and indie devs that might not have quite the same time, money, and talent? They're screwed. Which means xbox one owners are screwed.
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H0RSE  +   251d ago
@allformats

Some of you seem to be extremely naive or overambitious with this arbitrary idea that 1080p is a "must" for next-gen. You guys really need to understand that although the console are "next-gen" (largely just a buzzword with no definitive meaning) they are still just $400-500 devices, not high end PC's. Some of you even go a step further, and include 60fps in your "demands," as if it's such meager feat to fulfill...To expect nothing but "the best" across the board on such a medium, is pipe-dreams.

I don't doubt that games will release in 1080p, as some games already are, but every single game? Get over yourselves. If such high-end quality is of the utmost importance to where you "demand" that games play a t 1080p, or even worse, 1080p/60fps, as seems to be the case with many, than you should playing your games on the best hardware available - PC. If you choose a lesser medium, than you should except a lesser quality product, it's really that simple. You can point the finger and cry "PC elitism," but really it's just being rational.

Graphics or resolution alone is not some guideline to base whether or not a game achieves "next-gen" status, and if you think otherwise, then quite frankly, you're wrong. If none of the next-gen games achieved 1080p, they could still easily qualify as next-gen, due to other aspects, whether it be to techniques like AA or AO, more content and features available, new, innovative ideas, higher framerates, higher poly counts, and even sharper visuals. Yes, a game running at 720p, can look sharper than a game running at 1080p. BF4 is a good example of this. Is it running at 1080p? No, not on either system, but both versions are running at 60fps, and have 64 man servers. That is an example of "next-gen" in gaming, despite lacking 1080p resolution.

If it's just pretty games running at a smooth framerate that is needed to justify your purchase, then again, you are on the wrong platform, since we have been achieving this for years on PC.

As for the arguments over X1's perfroance/graphics and it being "more for less," these arguments are misplaced and inaccurate, due to the fact that the extra cost is largely due to the inclusion of the Kinect, NOT due to the claim that you are getting more powerful hardware. Another aspect is the HDMI-in port, which regardless how useless you see it (along with the Kinect) it's still going to drive up the initial cost, so it would actually be more accurate to claim that you are paying "more for more," since you are physically getting more. Do the PS4 bundles cost more than the regular PS4's? Same logic applies here.
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otherZinc  +   251d ago
You guys sound ridiculous.

You guys are talking about a 3rd party game, that's made FOR LAST GEN CONSOLES.

COD & BF4 is the exact game for the PS3 & 360 that's upped to 1080p @ 60fps, that's it.

However:

Forza 5 is MADE FOR NEXT GEN and is
1080p "native" @ 60fps: Both On & Offline!
With more features than any racing game Ever.

Yet, you guys refuse to acknowledged that Fact!

I ask you haters: where's Drive Club?
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devwan  +   251d ago
"COD & BF4 is the exact game for the PS3 & 360 that's upped to 1080p @ 60fps, that's it. "

Do your homework - BF4 on current gen is nothing like the same game that the ps4 & xbox one will have.

As for f5 made for next gen - that's your opinion. Many people would disagree with that as they believe it's very much built on existing tech.
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T2  +   251d ago
The fact that a free game makes you so defensive is hilarious , wait till the forza 5 vs gt6 comparisons come out you will be screaming about how forza wheel treads have blacker blacks
dmitrijs88  +   251d ago
Now You see why MS said: specs dont matter, its all about games.
HardcoreDaBoss  +   251d ago
is it really? This is not PC gaming people. we play games to enjoy the quality, not to look at pretty walls and ceilings. I play games to enjoy every exclusive on every console xbox, nintendo, sony. Im what you would call a real gamer... not some fanboy like N4G seems to attract. All I ever hear on this site is wii u is weak, xbox is weak, ps4 iss umm super awesome. If people really care so much about being 1080p at 60 frames then go out and buy a gaming pc and then brag.. but bragging about console specs just makes everyone look foolish and kiddie. I bet most of you have never seen gaming above 1080p with settings maxed out.. If you did you wouldn't be on here bragging about your'e favorite console being almighty
HugoDrax  +   251d ago
" I bet most of you have never seen gaming above 1080p with settings maxed out.. If you did you wouldn't be on here bragging about your'e favorite console being almighty"

Well said! I have, and let me tell you....my first experience was when Half Life 2 released. I couldn't believe how good it looked, and that was in 2005. I had purchased an Alienware PC, for gaming and design work. This was before I began building my own rigs. Anyhow, if I played The Orange Box today on my PS3/360, it still wouldn't look as good as it did on my 2005 PC.
grassyknoll  +   251d ago
Anyone who says it doesn't matter & can't tell the difference may as well stick with the 360.
CRAIG667  +   251d ago
Are you saying Ryse,Forza 5 etc are able to run on the 360? No. That's why I am upgrading.
Themba76  +   251d ago
actually ryse started on the 360 long ago and was ported to x1 not a true x1 title.
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DoesUs  +   251d ago
I* think he's refering to the 720p VS 1080p discussion.
Elit3Nick  +   251d ago
@Themba76 okay that's a stupid argument, there was no working demo of the game when it was a kinect title, so the only thing that got ported over was it's name. Are you so insecure about your choice of first party launch titles that you have to call a game "not a true X1 title" just because of some made up technicality.
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Drekken  +   251d ago
Titanfall is on PC too, Craig. Settle down.
H0RSE  +   251d ago
@Themba76

That is a stupid argument...BF4 is a PS3 and X360 game, so I guess the next-gen versions won't be any different, right?

And if your argument is claiming that Ryse started development on 360 and was simply ported over to X1, do you not think that any changes/improvements were made? Do you think they just used the 360's resources and left it at that?
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andibandit  +   251d ago
@drekken

True i wonder why i didnt think of that too, oh yeah i just remembered now.......im not rich
Drekken  +   250d ago
andibandit, I am not rich by any means but I am a gamer. I have a HD TV, Console, and a gaming PC. The PC was built for like $600. You don't need to be rich.
jackanderson1985  +   251d ago
except you know different games are coming to xbox one that aren't on the 360
amiga-man  +   251d ago
Such an obvious distance in power between the two consoles you really would have to be some kind of Halo nut to purchase the lesser more expensive one.

Panello didn't know the resolution he said you really would have to have been some sucker to have believed that.

Why anyone trusts anything M$ says at this point is beyond me.
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VENOMACR1227  +   251d ago
Right because Sony loves you and doesnt care about a profit. They always tell the truth. Keep telling yourself that.

"Lesser" system? Because the specs are lower? I guess all the other stuff that it does or comes with that the PS4 doesn't makes it the lesser system.
amiga-man  +   251d ago
WOW!!! VENOMACR1227

M$ really have got you by the balls haven't they, I feel genuinly sorry for you man
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mcstorm  +   251d ago
But the PS4 is less because it comes with less tech. People seem to be forgetting this. The PS4 dose not come with a camera is only using Bluetooth 2.1 and dose not have a HDMI input.

The Xbox one comes with Kinect 2 which is an impressive bit of kit even if you don't want to use it or not. the one also has WiFi Direct and HDMI input.

The xbox one is also built on Windows RT with Hyper-V and xbox software with adds plus points over the PS4 too.

For me box the xbox one and PS4 are priced right for what they come with and what they offer too.

Its the same with the WiiU.

Power dose not make a console the best you can buy as its the games that sell it and this will be the reason why sales well be good or poor.

Look at the PSV for example the thing is a best but the lack of games is the reason why it is being walked all over by the 3DS. Yet the 3DS sales were not as high as people were expecting when it went on sale as it did not have the software people wanted but since then it has been unstoppable.

No one knows if the sales of the WiiU will pickup or if the PS4 or Xbox one will hit the ground running until a few years into there life.
Skynetone  +   251d ago
there's a reason why ps4 is using Bluetooth 2.1 because its 90% faster then Bluetooth 4.0 when it comes to input from the controller
Trekster_Gamer  +   251d ago
well there are the games they have showed that look as good if not better than the ps4. You are a pathetic troll that really needs to
STFU...
VENOMACR1227  +   251d ago
Pretty stupid quote because a comparison between the 360 and X1 is like comparing a 2000 Camaro to a 2013 Camaro. Sure they share the same name, but the specs are totally different. It's really not that big of a deal. Look at the BF4 comparisons, not that huge of a difference. As developers get more time for games they will improve, just like they do on every system. The games look amazing either way, so to me it doesnt really matter 1080 or 720.
-wub-  +   251d ago
Of course it doesn't matter to you, you're obviously a fanboy.
andibandit  +   251d ago
As basic human beings we want whats best. You may have a hard time spotting the difference but you know which one is more powerful.
VENOMACR1227  +   251d ago
@wub

And obviously your a moron. What did I say that was a "fanboy"? Doubt you even know what that is.

@andi

For sure, I know the PS4 is more powerful. Just like the PS3 is more powerful then 360 but if you compare BF4 on PS3 and 360, not a drastic difference.
vigilante_man  +   251d ago | Well said
Of course it matters!

For the past 7 or so years it has mattered to 360 owners that multi-platform games looked very slightly better than on PS3. It mattered to PS3 owners that exclusives wiped the floor with 360 games in terms of graphics (in their opinion).

It mattered to developers that the 360 was easier to develop for (not better, just easier). It mattered to the pro-360 gaming sites (IGN, Eurogamer, to name but 2) that would use any statistic to try and justify better reviews for 360 games.

Now PS4 is much stronger in a very noticeable way and now Sony have proved themselves these past few years with very strong studio games, it all of a sudden does not matter!

It does matter. It always has, and it always will. It matters!
Biggest  +   251d ago
And that is the ballgame! Well said, vigilante_man.
devwan  +   251d ago
#truthfacts
Ko_Uraki  +   251d ago
It matters only in relation to the price. Of course at MS they have to work hard to explain the value of the xboxone. In few words: more hardcore exclusives, more marketing, more games, perfect online...and more applications for kinect. If they don't do it, they have to cut the price as soon as possible.
aiBreeze  +   251d ago
It's more than the price though. For them to consider themselves a next gen console yet still doing 720p is laughable. The price is the icing on the cake imho.
Ritsujun  +   251d ago
Xbone180'd.
MMEHTA  +   251d ago
It's not like they cannot go past 720p, other games such as Forza 5, 2K14, Live 14 etc can do 1080p natively and Ryse doing 900p, but its more likely for the dev's to get familiar with the system and push 1080p by end of next year. The truth is that the PS4 is easier to programme than the X1 hence the difference in resolution.
aiBreeze  +   251d ago
^^^ I do hope you're right. Imho, there should be no excuses for any "next gen" game not to run in 1080p.
H0RSE  +   251d ago
1080p is not some holy grail, official accomplishment that games must meet in order to be considered "next-gen." It is nothing more than an arbitrary technicality cooked up by the community, largely due to moving goalpost mentalities and over-expectations. Games that run at 1080p can actually be "less-gen" than games that do not, based on other arguably more important parameters.

Anyone suggesting that any game that gets released on a $400-500 device, cannot be considered "next-gen" if it is anything less than 1080p, or even more demanding, 1080/60fps, is naive and out of touch with reality, especially considering all the other (arguably) more important factors that can contribute to a game being "next-gen," which is a little more than a buzzword itself, with no definitive meaning.

And for the millionth time - the increased price of the X1 has to due with the inclusion of the Kinect and the HDMI-in port, and nothing to do with a claim that it has more powerful hardware. The increased price has nothing to do with increased graphics/processing power. It's like paying more for a PS4 bundle vs a standard PS4.
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ruefrak  +   251d ago
It's too funny.
Xbox Fan: "It doesn't do 1080p? Pre-ordered cancelled. I'm getting a PS4!"
PS4 Fan: "It doesn't play MP3s? Pre-ordered cancelled. I'm getting an Xbox One!"
pyramidshead  +   251d ago
Stuff like that for the PS4 can be updated through firmware though but you can't upgrade hardware like that :x. It is very very odd that they didn't include such basic media capabilities though o.O. I'm glad I had no intention of selling my PS3. Will just use that to play movies off of
ruefrak  +   251d ago
Agreed. I was keeping my PS3 anyway since I have tons of games still needing to be played. And the more I thought about it, the more I realized I never (NEVER) use my PS3 to play MP3s. I have a stereo for listening to music. And the DLNA thing was always so slow or unreliable for me that I started just putting everything on an SD card and copying it over that way.
So while this news originally had me pissed off, the more I thought about it, the less I cared. But I still want an answer on what kind of video files the PS4 can play. That does effect me.
Biggest  +   251d ago
I haven't used my console to play music since the original Playstation.

Did Sony say that the PS4 can't play movies? Your comment is confusing, pyramidshead.

". . . selling my PS3. Will just use that to play movies off of"
ziggurcat  +   251d ago
well, it seems yoshida is listening to people:

https://twitter.com/yosp/st...
KUV1977  +   251d ago
I think they want to push their music-streaming and video-services. Offering ingame-music but forcing you to get music unlimited is just not cool. I'm glad I am not using the ingame-music feature anyway, but missing DLNA really hurts.
avengers1978  +   251d ago
I haven't heard of anyone canceling PS4 preorders because of the MP3 thing though
ruefrak  +   251d ago
Go read the comments for the FAQ on the PlayStation Blog (US or EU, both are pissed off). It's filled with tons of people all saying they're cancelling or have already cancelled.
T2  +   251d ago
@ruefrak - people just say that because Sony will change policy ... noone cancelled sht .
andibandit  +   251d ago
I find the dlna thing more important
Drekken  +   251d ago
Anyone crying about functionality missing at launch for the PS4 is blowing it way out of proportion. People need a history lesson about the PS3's firmware and all of the killer features we received over the years. Sony met everyone's requests with features as long as the hardware allowed it.

We will have streaming and MP3 soon enough. Shu has already been talking about it with the devs.
T2  +   251d ago
This . I still applaud people complain though , they should let their voice be heard ... Sony has always exceeded expectations for media I remember when I downloaded one update and itwas like "ps3 now upconverts dvd to hd " .... I was like wha?! Awesome!
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pyramidshead  +   251d ago
I feel as if there's gonna be so many articles about this lol.

Wonder which multiplatform game is next...I'm gonna guess Rivals as one looks comparable to PC, so the dev says anyway.
Mills93  +   251d ago
I'll give it a few months to see if it's really just driver problems etc, Due to the fact Forza is 1080p yet the COD port can't really just shows it not as simple as "X1 can't do 1080p"

At the moment X1 has more games me and my friends are interested in which is personally my most important thing

Will most likely get a PS4 too once a few games come out
shivvy24  +   251d ago
See any game can do 1080p, but turn5 had to make cutbacks to get F5 running 1080p 60FPS for example the lighting.
Elit3Nick  +   251d ago
people here quickly forget that the PS3 versions of COD were horribly unoptimized and broken games, the fact that the PC minimum specs are a gts450 ti or comparable is laughable since pretty much every other game requires just a 8800 gt. They're too lazy to actually optimize the game properly.
tigertom53  +   251d ago
Forza they put a lot of detail in the cars and track but the background was worse then the forza 4
strickers  +   251d ago
I keep hearing about the "better XB launch line up". I can see the point on launch day( although I wouldn't swap KZ for all the XB disc games and I wouldn't buy any of them if they were PS4). What about the next few months? Say next 5 months. How many games are coming to XB1 and how many to PS4? First day is merely that. Then what?
Einhert  +   251d ago
Its only good looking game titanfall is also out for the PC so I have literally no need for this console, I love the setting of Ryse but the execution leaves a lot to be desired.

But the PS4 camp is no better, struggling to put out 1080p 60fps that was the standard on PC for so many years and the bar is now raised to 1440p.
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MMEHTA  +   251d ago
Well i think titanfall looks great but visually ryse and also Quantum break look terrific......
Einhert  +   251d ago
more so the gameplay I was commenting on with regards to Ryse. Quantum Break is a complete unknown at this point.
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strickers  +   251d ago
Titanfall might be brilliant but graphics are men. I saw it running on PC( we already know XB1 will look weaker) and it us not impressive looking.
obliterator  +   251d ago
This is a pretty big blow for x1. It won't be able to keep up with ps4. It's just the beginning, situation will deteriorate for x1 in the future as games will be becoming more graphically intense.
Obviously the best thing will be to have a high end rig to remain at the bleeding edge of tech but if you prefer consoles like me, ps4 is the way to go. :)
MMEHTA  +   251d ago
Actually the situation will not deteriorate but it will be improving, if you think about it as the devs are still on their first games for this console, once they get familiarised with the architecture the visuals will start to improve. Its similar to the PS3 situation with the cell architecture....
obliterator  +   251d ago
Don't you think the ps4 will be improving too or does that improvement is exclusive to x1 according to your logic.
If x1 has hardware bottlenecks, no amount of software improvement can undo that, so its better to be rational bro.
Sayai jin  +   251d ago
@obliterator - I think he comment only on the X1, because that's the only thing you commented on as far as things getter better or worse.

Consoles graphics always improve over their life cycle it it not console specific, rather it is game devs becoming more familiar with the hardware.
MMEHTA  +   251d ago
@obliterator
Yes it's the same with PS4, But according to your logic the development of games on the X1 will deteriorate, which is the exact opposite which will happen. Just like this generation both consoles improved over time especially the PS3 which i remember being very difficult to programme according to dev's. What i am saying is being rational, even CBOAT stated as of now the eSRAM is a hurdle the dev's will overcome overtime....Dev;s have stated that the PS4 is more faster to develop for compared to the X1, in hindsight if dev's had more time for the X1 the target 1080p 60fps may have been approachable as they had more time to get over the hurdles, As for the PS4 its architecture is much more easier and less complex than the X1, hence in the same amount of development time x1 comes out with less resolution and weaker optimisation....
Elit3Nick  +   251d ago
@MMEHTA exactly it was pretty much the exact same story with the PS3, because of it's more complex architecture, it was having issues on multi platform games, people here won't "remember" this because it would spoil their fantasy.
McScroggz  +   251d ago
Here's the key difference:

The Xbox 360 and PS3 have relative power parity. One has a better CPU, the other a better GPU. But overall the raw horsepower is pretty similar. Factor in the Cell, and while it does make the PS3 overall a little more powerful it is also really hard to develop for. Even after learning how, there isn't a huge inherent difference in power.

Then compare the Xbox One and the PS4:

The Xbox One is significantly less powerful, and what makes it harder to develop for is something that will always be a bottleneck. Always. Unlike Cell which, in a way, unlocked power, the eSRAM will always inhibit the Xbox One. So even after developers learn to develop for the Xbox One (which will lessen the gap between it and PS4) the PS4 will still be significantly more powerful.

The Xbox One just cannot ever match the PS4.
MMEHTA  +   251d ago
@McScroggz
I wouldn't say significantly powerful, Dev's stated that the systems are almost the similar, yes PS4 is powerful but the difference in the end will be negligible, There were anonymous sources of kotaku and edge whom stated the power differences is big but then they stated the in the end the differences of games will be negligible. As for the eSRAM it plays the same role of what Cell did with the PS3, to unlock more horsepower for the console. From what it looks like eSRAM will play the same with Dev's once they have become experienced. So i'm guessing the the roles have reversed from last gen. Though what i said is just conjecture, we should wait until both consoles have launched.....but below is a link for what is stated by kotaku in one of their many articles.

http://kotaku.com/about-tho...
purp13m0nk3y  +   251d ago
@MMEHTA

eSRAM - "As for the eSRAM it plays the same role of what Cell did with the PS3, to unlock more horsepower for the console."

LMFAO!?! You should really do some reading before you post dude! That is the stupidest statement I've read in a long time.

Cell is a processor, eSRAM is well... ram.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

If your interested?
gnothe1  +   251d ago
its not a deal breaker for me...I prefer the xbox games..the xbox online infrastructure an the system capabilities with the Kinect...so i'll take all of the over alittle resolution on games that STILL LOOK AMAZING...
sealava  +   251d ago
I always had more 360 games because I preferred Xbox live for online games , But the way things are going,looks like I'm heading to the PS4 camp for most of my next-gen games.
avengers1978  +   251d ago
XDF is gonna have a hard time defending this.
A game MS pays big money for exclusive timed DLC will be better on the PS4...
Rzep  +   251d ago
Deal breaker or not, it is damn disapointing. It was obvious for a long time that a jump in quality that we saw in the case of PSX=>PS2, Xbox=>360 will never happen again, but these news that keep showing up are disheartning.

It's as I feared and consoles have stopped being consoles. They are media boxes. Games are only one element, and sometimes it seems it's not the most important one.

This goes a long way to something that I've been saying for years, that this will be the last console generation. Next gen will simply be one of branded PC's. MS PC, Sony PC...sad.
ape007  +   251d ago
i think that xbox one's Esram need some extra time for optimization and stuff, u have Forza 5 which is of course technically higher than CoD ghosts run at 1080p 60 FPS

i expect the first wave of X1 multiplats to have 720p, first 6 to 12 months
Volkama  +   251d ago
Some people said the One was rushed to market. There have been numerous reports that the dev tools have been poor/behind schedule whereas general consensus seems to be that Sony had their sh** together.

If that's true then perhaps the XBox will close the gap a bit. Perhaps the tools to use ESRAM will be more intuitive, perhaps devs will start tailoring games to better use the move engines (megatextures and such).

Meanwhile games may start making better/heavier use of the PS4's extra GPU compute power, so the gap could even get bigger.

Time will tell. Fortunately it's not like buying either console locks you into it forever though, you can buy the other at some point if you like what you see.
theBAWSE  +   251d ago
and the most delusional fanboy award goes to......... ape007 *cheers and rounds of applause in the background *

did you really just say forza has more going on than cod? a driving game with static backgrounds and baked lighting against a first person shooter with enemies and sorts of effects going on in the background?

it was a close call between you and jokesonyou... sod it you and him can share the damn trophy
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ape007  +   251d ago
LoL what an idiot, first of all im a huge Playstation gamer, i have all their systems

and secondly NBA 2K14 is true nextgen and 1080p on X1, MGS V the same and many more, halo 5 will look like CG and run 1080p/60 FPS

wake up darling, use your head
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theBAWSE  +   251d ago
yaah ... cool story bro
strickers  +   251d ago
Chimp007 would a better name.
Forza is not as advanced , tech wise as some of you seem to think.
Volkama  +   251d ago
It's not a bullet point for the sales reps, but it's not a deal breaker at all. At least not for me.

The reasons I favoured the One:

Brand loyalty
-I've always enjoyed core XBox games. Halo, Gears, Forza, Crackdown etc but also 3rd party games like Mass Effect.
-MS' consoles have been strongest outside of the gaming space. OS features, Xbox live and such, MS have been leaders in those areas.

Promises for new experiences
-I have a monstrous PC that can push pixels far in excess of the consoles. The online infrastructure and Kinect can set the One apart to give me something different.

Those things still apply today, COD running at 720p doesn't really change any of it.

Of course if I didn't have a PC then my perspective on pushing pixels would be very different, and I'd probably be getting a PS4 first. So I can certainly see the recent revelations swaying a lot of people's minds.

Note I know this is my perspective. You can say you prefer TLOU/God of War/JRPGs and I wont disagree with you, my reasons and opinions don't have to match yours.
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jimbobbeers  +   251d ago
But..but...but you're not allowed a preference, not unless its the same as mine! What do you mean you prefer Xbox games to Sony games? This is outrageous.

Please notice my sarcasm ;-)
Volkama  +   251d ago
I'm actually quite a fan of some PS3 exclusives. Heavy Rain,Infamous and such in particular. I quite like JRPGs too as a bit of a blast from the past. I'll get a PS4 down the line for sure.

It just seems to strike a nerve with some people if I say I don't enjoy their particular favourite game.

I'll get a tonne of disagrees for this right here: I didn't enjoy the Uncharted games much. Not a fan of cheesy stealth mechanics, and not a fan of spotting nooks and ledges I'm supposed to climb on. I'm not saying it's a bad game, just stating my own preference but it makes some people foam at the mouth.
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McScroggz  +   251d ago
Honestly, I think your reasoning and situation perfectly validates your choice. Not that you NEED it validated by strangers on an internet forum, but there are legitimate reasons to buy an Xbox One over PS4.
thisismyaccount  +   251d ago
I bet they will have their "momentum"...

Arrr! Ahoy to all me fellow heartys! Let us have all som´Grog! Yo-ho-ho ~ Yo-ho-ho..
Lolrus  +   251d ago
I'll tell you whats hilarious. When Xbone fans were gloating that its precious console was 4K gaming capable while ps4 was not. Oh dear
pyramidshead  +   251d ago
they'll upscale it from 720p to 4K.
Skynetone  +   251d ago
you don't need to know
johny5  +   251d ago
You know the difference between a 180º and U?
There isn't they both go backwards!
Gore-Content  +   251d ago
That was a fine read.
Maxor  +   251d ago
If BF 4 is 1080p on the PS4 then it's a wrap.
bcrazy18  +   251d ago
It's not. Confirmed to be 900p.
ooquis  +   251d ago
For me 1080p is a waist of power on a console. If naughty dog where to make a game running 720P 60fps to really push the envelope regarding Physics(most impotent in my opinion),graphics and all the jazz i wouldn't mind one bit. So the Xboxone really is weaker than the ps4,now we can move on i think beacuse i'm a proud Playstation FANBOY and part of the title comes class and i wont kick a xbox fanboy when his down on the ground with his mouth in the mud.
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Jdoki  +   251d ago
I'm no XB1 fan, but this is rubbish.

The biggest market is not the hardcore who care about resolution. If resolution was such a big deal the Wii would have sold almost zero units.

And lets be clear here. The XB1 is MORE than capable of 1080p IF the detail/effects level is lowered - but what devs appear to be doing is keeping the eye candy between PS4 and XB1 comparable at the expense of resolution. Is that acceptable? Who cares, if the games are fun.
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   251d ago
Not really.

Plenty of AA on the PS4 version Of BF4.No jaggies at all and all this, while rendering literally over twice the amount of pixels per-frame @ a consistent framerate over Xbone.Very impressive stuff.
Jdoki  +   251d ago
I watched the comparison videos, and yeah PS4 wins it, but it wasn't a huge disparity - certainly not like comparing a Wii to PS3 game like some are making out! The only thing that really bugged me about the XB1 version of BF4 was the ridiculous lighting engine.
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   251d ago
It will be much more noticeable on a TV.Trying to to judge difference through videos compressed through youtube (also capped at 30fps on youtube) or screens just taken from the same videos doesn't do the comparisons any justice.

But yeah i also agree.Some people try to play it up like a wii vs PS3/360 difference.It won't be as dramatic as that but the differences will be much, much bigger then the differences between 360/PS3.

Example:
http://i.imgur.com/qWs3tuQ....
Elit3Nick  +   251d ago
lol it's not even close to twice the frames, stop spouting BS
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   251d ago
^

I didn't say twice the framerate.Learn to comprehend what you read instead of going into defense mode.
Jdoki  +   251d ago
Thing is DayZ - while I agree that it may be more noticeable on a TV, how many people are running PS4 / XB1 next to each other realistically?

I played Assassins Creed 1, and Red Dead Redemption on PS3 - two of the many multi-plat games that were marginally, but noticeably, better on the 360 - and I never cared one bit that the framerate in AC was a bit choppier than 360, or that RDR had less tufts of grass - the games were fun.

So I really can't see how 720p is the deal breaker that the article suggests.
jimbobbeers  +   251d ago
Sensible comments don't belong here.
SaveFerris  +   251d ago
How about this crazy idea, have all Xbox One games in 720p and 60fps. I think it could make a big difference. But they will have to change the name of the console.
McScroggz  +   251d ago
I think it's more an issue of all the flaws of the Xbox One combined when compared to the PS4 rather than any one issue. To me there are two factors that tip the scale when it comes to the majority of non-enthusiast gamers: Which system has the best multiplatform games and which system has the best online ecosystem. It's pretty clear that Sony wins one the former, it's the latter that is the Xbox One's last chance to stay competitive with the PS4 for this generation.

There are a lot of things that can change and happen throughout a console cycle. The PS3, even though it had a lot of promise, needed a lot of updates/redesigns and a massive price drop before it became truly competitive with the Xbox 360. Even now, with the PS3 clearly having the best library and a free online that's not much worse the the 360, the PS3 almost never outsells the 360 in terms of hardware and software in the United States. To me, the biggest reasons are the two I mention: multiplatform games and online experience.

Sure, most games are virtually the same between the two; however, for several years multiplatform games were clearly better on the Xbox 360 and that established a perception that still carries on today. Also, even though XBL and PSN are fairly comparable, the Xbox 360 established such a stranglehold on the online ecosystem that a lot of people have stuck with it because all their friends have stuck with it. So, if PSN for the PS4 is better than the Xbox One, or it's close enough that it's not a deciding factor for most, then Microsoft will have to really work to make the Xbox One competitive.

I'm certainly interested to see how this all plays out.
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Sadist3  +   251d ago
News flash, people. The average consumer doesn't care about 720p/1080p
ooquis  +   251d ago
True. This hole 720p/1080p debacle is like back in 2008 when M$ announced hd-dvd getting discontinued. There is NO more arguing which console is more powerful......PS4 won. This is a big deal.
mistertwoturbo  +   251d ago
Is that so? So the millions and millions of people who ditched their 720p tvs for 1080p tvs don't count? The average consumer is still informed enough to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p because of the past 7-8 years of marketing.
TristanPR77  +   251d ago
Jajaja liars, if it was the PS4 with the 720 issue you would talking trash about the PS4.

Drop the hypocrisy and at least have some dignity.
Imalwaysright  +   251d ago
True they care about price the most and MS loses on that front too.
Maxor  +   251d ago
Average consumer would also buy the best console for the money instead of paying $100 more Kinect.
Sven Benoit  +   251d ago
Man I swear the hate for the Xbone is starting to get unbearable. I feel like now people just want to hate on the Xbox just to fit in with the community at the moment. Spec wise is the Xbox weaker than the Ps4? Absolutely! I just find it funny that now all of a sudden everything is all about graphics and not about the games. Remember Ps2 is still widely considered to this day the best console of ALL TIME, yet it was CONSIDERABLY weaker than the original Xbox and what happen? I mean people act like there is not 1 1080p/60fps game on Xbone. Lol, it is definitely great time for Sony fanboys though, as they are having a field day with all this bad Microsoft press. Even though I am getting a Xbone first, I will be getting my Ps4 very shortly after. Man I swear these fanboys are funny, especially on the Sony side. It really makes me question the age these guys. I'm just praying that you guys are not grown men.
mistertwoturbo  +   251d ago
You might have a point about the ps2, but the PS4 is cheaper and more powerful and has the software too. So if anything is more like the ps2 it's the ps4 ten fold.
stevej336  +   251d ago
Cant wait till both systems are out so this nonsense can blow over. If you like xbox get xbox, if you like ps4 get ps4. Who cares if that dude is playing cod on the system you hate at 720p, shutup and play yours at 1080p like it makes the content of the game more fulfilling. Both systems will be great with tons of awesome games. Im getting an xbone at launch but I will certainly be getting a ps4 shortly after like im sure many of you guys will grab both as well.
JeffGUNZ  +   251d ago
My stance is simple really. I have both the 360 and PS3 and I have enjoyed multiple games on each system. The first system I got this generation was an Xbox 360 and several years later I purchased a PS3 Slim. I began this generation with the 360 and all my friends I have met online and friends throughout my real life have all built a community with one another and for that reason I tend to favor the xbox console. My initial plans were to preorder this Xbox One but was hesitant about dishing out the money. I was hoping by the new year/christmas I would cave in and purchase the Xbox One. Now, if you followed the console development cycle closely, without favoritism, you are all aware that Sony dished out the PS4 Dev. kits a lot earlier then the Xbox One. With that knowledge, I am not shocked or even slightly surprised that multiplat ports like COD are going to be running 720p right away. I know by this time next year almost every exclusive will most likely be 1080p and that games only get better and better as the generation progresses. I am just not overwhelmed at what I have seen for next generation at this point, I mean the fun factor on these games for next generation are going to be amazing and games like Killzone and Dead Rising 3 look incredible for what they offer, but rushed ports and early hardware has just made me cautious. I really think games like the last of us and GTAV have really made the leap to next generation less substantial then I once anticipated. For the time being I am content with playing GTA Online (whenever they get it fixed and add heists/more missions/dlc, etc) and will wait till both systems impress me enough to warrant the money. Game on fellas!
My_precious  +   251d ago
now i know why they don't name that an xbox720, because that name will make the worst joke even than the xbone one
stevej336  +   251d ago
This is the first time ive read this joke.
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