Fanboys are at it again.
the only reason users care is because of the price difference as currently some don't see the value proposition of owning a "weaker" console and pay more, i think if they were the same price we wouldn't, actually scratch that we would still hear about this. console war are here to stay sad really but its life.
All the hate the Xbox gets just makes me want it more... Actually I'm definitely gunna get the Xbox One but probably not this year. Got a few more important things to pay for and pay off before the luxury of a new console. My eyes are shit anyway I'm never gunna notice the difference between 1080p v 720p. I Really do need to see an optometrist lol
Hating is a game in it self. Bragging rights is a game in it self.. I win.. you lose..
Sony wants to charge you 10 dollars a month to play your songs in the background of your games (Music Unlimited). No viz option, no MP3 file support, no external storage support... even the Vita has more media features, ironically enough. Until they change their stance on this issue, they remain no better than MS in my eyes. This lack of DLNA at launch has confirmed my waiting for a PS4 was a good idea. It'll be nice in 2014 when Drive Club comes out and they've done some pre and post-holiday patches to iron out the bugs. Should be plenty of stock by then.
Buy an ipod shuffle, problem solved! That Plus PS4 is still cheaper than xbone.
Hate? Who cares? People that don't want to be ripped off care, why would you pay more for less? Microsoft failed to get people excited for the new kinect by showing them great games doing amazing things with it. They just arrogantly assumed that the average xbox player was an addict or a dumbass that would buy it no matter what. I played BF3 on the xbox 360 for a long time and after dealing with the average teammate or enemy I can understand why MS thought that way ;). Looking at good gaming news sites, console reviews, multiplat comparisons, etc help to expose what some companies are trying to hide. Fanboys, "Believe and be enslaved by your beliefs." The truth can be slipperier than a greased weasel, people get upset when the truth is being buried in a sea of BS which was vomited up by drones.
So you're the very definition of a contrarian? That's not really a good thing, you know that right? Things to consider for a new console are cost, specification and the games available for it. If you prefer MS exclusives like Halo, Gears and Forza, it'd be daft to get a PS4 just because it's technologically better. But, if exclusives don't matter, and like most people 90% of the games you buy are multi-platform, you have to consider getting the console that is going to have the better versions of those games with less compromises. Think of the end of this generation when you see games really pushing the hardware, dropping frames and featuring screen tearing or reduced quality textures etc. Consider that the Xbox One will hit this ceiling WAY before the PS4 will. And not just in resolution, but in terms of graphical effects, higher res textures, tessellation, amazing lighting and other ways in which the One can fall behind. Consider lastly that if graphics and tech spec didn't really matter as many people try to claim in the wake of this news - despite it mattering quite a bit last generation when Microsoft had the technical advantage in most cases - then we'd all still be gaming on the NES or Megadrive/Genesis. The original Gameboy would still be the most popular hand-held with it's blurry 2 colour screen. We wouldn't have HD TV at all, and movies were perfectly watchable on VHS....right? Why pay more for a console, and then the same price for technically inferior games? Kinect? Really? Slowly and awkwardly gesturing around menus and using speech for an interface despite a controller being faster and more accurate? What an advance!
@thereapersson, those features can be added back in via software updates. Indeed, Yoshida from Sony has already stated he's heard peoples concerns about that stuff being missing, and has passed it onto the firmware guys. Also, the internal hard drive of the PS4 can be changed, unlike the Xbox One...so external support isn't as essential (though it would still be very nice). Meanwhile, the rumour is that Xbox One also doesn't allow MP3 playback. It is very much only rumour at the moment, but MS have said nothing about this kind of thing, while Sony have published a full Q&A - open and honest - before the console launches. Waiting on such honesty from MS right now, instead of game review embargos.
@AgentSmithPS4 Pay more for less? OK, so the ram on the XO is older but they have bleeding edge eSRAM and different GPU but still the same series as the one used in PS4 Please detail the FEATURES that xO doesn't have that PS4 does? Stop your whining and tell me? Remember your judging this on PS4 at £350 (without the EYE) and XO at £430 (with kinect 2) Now tell me...
All people do is cry and complain about the price. Didn't the PS3 start selling at like $600? All anyone see's is specs. Not that you’re getting a better quality headset ($20+ value) and Kinect (whether you like it or not, it’s a $100+ item). I already can hear the responses: "no one wants Kinect and who cares about a headset." But either way, those items included and are more expensive then the $100 difference. If both systems cost the same, everyone would complain why would you pay the same for a less powerful system? The PS3 is more powerful than the X360 yet the X360 sold better (in NA at least). So clearly it’s not about specs because if that was the case than PS3 would have crushed the X360. Clearly people care more about exclusives, online gaming, and functionality. The whole “you pay more for less” is old at this point. The majority of people buying systems won’t even know the specs of each. You think a mom buying her son an X1 for Christmas is going to know that the PS4 hardware is more powerful? Nope. She knows her son already has a X360. People really need something new to complain about instead of the same old argument.
Well given that the xbone costs 100.00 more than the more powerful PS4 I would think that everyone should care.
It seems to me that the people complaining about spending $10 a month for Music Unlimited are the same people who will pay $60 to use Skype or Netflix. Personally, I'll use my PS4 to play amazing games
@heavy Yea and $60 for a better online experience. To bad Xbox has an offer going right now 12 months at 50% off. Only cost me $35 with tax. Or eBay sells them for less than $40. How much does PS charge to play online? Free? Oh wait thats right, its not free. Get over the whole paywall thing. Idk anyone who bought a 360 to use apps. Any one who pays for Gold is paying to play live, not watch Netflix. Funny, Xbox Live is the more popular online service even with things behind a paywall. Nice try though.
Jup, fanboys very often forget that. The more you push for something the more people will push back. If I keep hating something, you eventually will go "Hmm.. it must be a big thing if they hate it that much, let's check it out.". On top of that fans will only become more entrenched when you push that hard. It really doesn't matter if they really want to get MS where it hurts? Than they should just play the games they like on Sony or Nintendo Systems and not buy the XBox 1 system. DONE! MS will fuck up and keep their bad PR going, and you have less heartburn as well. :)
@Venom "All people do is cry and complain about the price. Didn't the PS3 start selling at like $600?" Yes, but the PS3 was more powerful than the 360 and it had free online. "The PS3 is more powerful than the X360 yet the X360 sold better (in NA at least)" Here we go, the NA excuse again, why not looking at worldwide numbers? "You think a mom buying her son an X1 for Christmas is going to know that the PS4 hardware is more powerful?" No, she will probably look at the pricetag
I can see it now. the gaming media from USA are going to ignore the difference of power between the PS4 and XBone this gen and start playing "the game plays great even at lower res" card! it will start with their reviews of all upcoming cross-gen games like BF4, CoDG, AC4, NFS Rivals etc! they will definitely give both the same score even if the PS4 version performs better technically. I can see "Xbox ONE upscaller is doing a mighty job" or "looks identical to PS4 version..." and stuff will be their justification! I hope I will be proven wrong but when money talks, who knows.
Well, a lot of people are wondering why they should even pay 100$ more for less performance. COD Ghost: 1080p PS4; 720p On Xbox One BF4: 720p X1; 900p PS4; 1080p PC If the Xbox One were 100$ less than the PS4, then it would be a debate on whether or not the resolution is worth the extra 100$ investment, but it's the other way around. It's not hating on the console, it's only stating facts. It's like when people were saying not to buy 360s when it came out because of RRODs, they bought one anyway and got RRODs. They eventually improved the console with better fans, but it took a while. If all the "hate" makes you want to buy an Xbox One, then go ahead we won't stop you, it's just not our money you'll be spending.
I've said it and I'll say it again. This hole thing would go away (or be less controversial) if Microsoft released a cheaper Kinectless Xbox One. Most gamers don't see the point of Kinect and aren't willing to pay extra money for something they don't want or need, specially if that console is inferior to the competition's console (hardware). Next gen should be priced like this... - WiiU 300€ (actual price and even at this price, it seems like it's not selling well) - X1 Kinectless 350€ (Microsoft hasn't learned their lesson) - X1 with Kinect 450€ (to whoever is interested in Kinect) - PS4 400€ (actual price) - PS4 with PS Vita 500€
That´s why I will never buy a console on launch year. No, probably even wait a good two years before I drop my money on any of them. - cheaper games. - more to pick from. - new, updated console. - Metal Gear solid... If only someone got me a good old pizza and some soda, somebody hit Justin Bieber and his half naked fetus.....`m all good!!
People want the better console and these downplaying/jusifying articles are getting to much. Ps4 is more powerful and it matters. What also matter is online. Xbox has dedicad servers out of the box and live is proven quality. Sony have hopefully invested in the psn otherwise they will be playing catch up. Both will he getting great games but Sony have proven quality in that area. Weigh up what's best for you.
It doesn't matter, unless you are really infested into wining a war about spec sheets. But then I'm having a blast playing Wii U and 3DS, so maybe I'm biased regarding gaming in a manner that isn't concerning pixel counting.
Well your saying that PS4 has better graphics in there games with more power. Lets be honest there is no visual difference in the long run they look the same. Also xbox spent 700 million on cloud while PS4 only spent almost half that at 380 and this help glitches in games. As well xbox has got rid of most con traversal things for the gamer. So I think xbox is way more interested in the gamer than you think. Plus kinect, headset, more popular online, better games (opinion), more favorable controller. All focussed on gamer and i like that because they actually listen to the fans.
@Warrick, While I agree with you on some points, the whole slant of your post is biased towards Xbox. The power difference to output 720p and 1080p (0r 720p and 900p for some games). that 50%+ more pixels on screen. Even the PS4 version of BF4 runs with ambient occlusion (according to DF take a lot of graphical power to run). They have said that the X1 version will have this but since the X1 version already is struggling with a lower resolution and has a poorer framerate, what sort of hit will will performance have with AO running. But cloud looks promising, Live is King of online, Sony has the better and more exclusives (according to Metacritic). Sony has the backing of the indie scene at the moment. Kinect functions are great and it a shame that the camera isnt packed with the PS4 (PS4 camera can do some things of Kinect like voice commands to control UI) PS4 comes with headset also. Controller reviews seem to indicate that both controllers are great. Like I said you hve to weigh up the facts and the future possibilities. Some will go for PS4 and some will go with X1. BTW that 380M was for cloud gaiming not cloud computing. 2 different services. I'm sure Sony has pumped millions into it since they bought it and that will need a good amount of local servers to work. They have to be investing into servers and cloud otherwise Gaikai just wont work. These same servers could be used to achieve what MS are trying to do with cloud on X1. If they have not (Sony are a huge company and would of weighed up what they need to do before they even finalised the Gaikai deal. They aren't stupid).
It's not just about who has the best console, but really more about opening people's eyes to save the future of gaming. If "A" gives you more games then more games as long as you support them, and "B" is trying to turn gaming into a market for casuals and being less focused for gamers alone...which one will you pick? Which one do you want people to pick? See, if you can change someone's mind from B to A, A will offer you more games in return. The latter, B, will notice which is more popular and in return will change their stance dramatically. Sony is A, Microsoft is B...people went to A because B wanted to ban used games, so B tried being like A. See the benefits for gaming's future if you pick the one for gamers? Imagine if B was more popular and well received, that would drive gamers mad because in our hearts, we have to protect gaming and it's core. So when one brags to another, it's really because he or she is trying to change their minds. We don't want gaming to turn into something else than we grew up with. We don't want change, but that's actually a good thing in most cases. We're trying to preserve what's best for gaming's future. Back in the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox days, there was no war, because a gaming console was just that, a gaming console to play games. Now it's more about being on the side of which console mostly keeps those days alive again...and Sony has said the PS4 will be like the PS2 days. And that's why a majority of gamers are going for it.
This video Is Made with tools like you in Mind :D
PlayStation has always been better than Xbox, no idea why everyone is so surprised...
The price difference is the biggest deal for me (during the first year of launch anyway). That's that same reason that I got a 360 first before I got a ps3.. at the time I was looking to upgrade from my ps2, the 360 was $400, while the ps3 was $600.. Other than price, I do plan on owning both consoles at some point. But def ps4 first, then when XB1 has price drop and the time is right for my budget...I'll own one of those too
I think with the Kinect it is worth more becuz my wife hates my xbox 360 but when she played with the Kinect she was actually impressed and liked it.I was shocked to hear her say lets play a Kinect game.When your married like me its a big plus to have something for the wife and kids to join in and play. That is why the wii did so well. Everything isnt about graphics and there is a lot of gamers who has girlfriends and wives they got keep happy and in that case who has time to count pixels when you have kids.I would definitely pay hundred dollars more to keep my wife happy becuz when momma aint happy nobodies happy lol
Kids care, adults care, we all care! Remember as kids we always boasted about the fastest this, the best that and this carries on through life. My smartphone is better than yours... Last time it was a very small margin with PS3 taking a good few years to master the SPUs. This time around it is very clear and it will matter to a lot of kids. Who wants to have the second best console at Christmas? Games will be awesome on either and we can only imagine what Sony studios will produce this time around. But kids (and adults) like to have bragging rights. Sony has the bragging rights...
Of course people care! I mean...sure...I don´t really care...but I understand why others would. Heck, you have people who care about Miley Cyrus, the amount of meat that goes into a burger and someones sexual preference - so why not add consoles to it? Aaaaaand...while we´re at it...my smartphone is deffinitely not better than yours! But then again, it functioned well before yesterday, when my stepfathers hispanic grandmother threw it at my gluteus maximus. I hate that muscle.....;T
Only people with unnecessarily huge egos care.
Don't care. Will buy both.
I care, Will buy both. but will only buy exclusive games on xbox one.
Jebus, the reversals have started already! For pete's sake, this is not how you're supposed to do it! You're supposed to let MICROSOFT do the 180 and THEN pretend like you don't care :0)
Pretty damn funny, last gen sites like DF and 360 fanboys were talking about how 50P was such a huge difference. Now its a 180-360P advantage in favor of the PS4 and all of a sudden it doesnt matter. How the times have changed. The gap between these 2 consoles, is bigger then xbox vs ps2 or 360 vs PS3. Its gonna be a long gen for Microsoft. Digital Foundry probably aint happy they would be out of a job if PS4 wins every head to head showdown.
NeoGAF asked the question "One has to wonder what Microsoft did to incur such blindly loyalty." It's like they have no memory, conveniently forgetting the very boasts they made not two weeks ago...
IKR, it's scary. "bend over" mentality practiced by Xbawks loyalist.
Alright i'm a loyalist to xbox but seriously, it goes both ways.
yay you win the internets
Buying into bad corporate practices only encourages them to do it further. It affects the future of gaming, not just you.
This! This man, right here! Not buying Microsoft console is more than just fanboyism at work. It's a statment that will determine the future of gaming. Buying the Xbox One is a contribution to the death of gaming.
Not just the death of gaming, the death of LIVING. #SayNoToXboxOneRDRR3DOR2D2
realist comment I read all morning. If I was microsoft I would keep cutting corners and stiffing the consumers if they accepted it and my money was growing. I can't believe we arent seeing more annoyed xbox consumers after being pay walled to death. They are continuing to pay microsoft to utilze there apps that they are already paying for and instead of acting angry about that they are defending microsoft.
How are people still trying to harass Xbox users about paywalls now that PSN has to be paid for? An announcement a room full of zombies actually cheered at E3..
PS4 will have free to play games not behind any pay walls. The apps will not be behind pay walls, the social functions like party chat cross game chat etc won't be behind a pay wall. Just keep bending over taking that microscam screwing you grew so acustom to taking.
Crazy levels of irony in that comment! I don't even have to respond, you pretty much killed yourself..
Microlost xfolp done cares
but your paying more for less thats why you should care if it's less powerful it should be $299 not $499.
I agree. If I go to Mc Donalds and order 2 double cheeseburgers and they put two mc doubles in the bag. Granted its only missing a once piece of cheese, the problem is it is missing and i am paying an entire dollar or two more. It Matters! Plus, if you have a tv over 40 inches, it is a significant difference from 720 to 1080 and its sad that after almost a decade, Microsoft's new and shiny system cannot run 1080.
Lol this site is getting worse. Since when has console gaming been about power? Lets look at the last 4 gens and which console has sold the most? Lets look at the handheld market and which consoles have sold the most? Its not about the power of the console its about the games. Lets look at the best selling games of this gen and how many of them are the best looking game of this gen? How well was the PS3 selling at the start of its life? and what happened when the games came along? Look at how well the 360 was selling at the start of its life and then how sales started to drop off when the games stopped coming out for it. For me the best line up of games the end of this year falls to the WiiU for me as there are more games on this system I want than on the One and PS4. I am also getting a One on day one though as I want Forza 5 and KI more than any other game on the PS4 at the moment. I will also pickup a PS4 next year though as I always own most consoles that have games I want to play as that is the only true way to have the complete gaming experience.
Even as an achievement hunter who is gonna get XBone no matter what...(To many achievement to jump ship),I agree with Mike Larry. A cleary inferior system 100 dollars more than a superior direct competitior is unforgivable. That is what people are going to care about years after us fanboy have picked our sides. Grandma is gonna ask the pimpled face kid at kmart which system is better; the no-brianer is the cheaper system WITH the better visuals. This is "COD" that is gimped on your system! Any other game would be less damaging, however COD less than perfect will not be a news story that will not be ignored. Mircosoft is doomed there only hope is to drop the price of the system to 349.99. Quickly...
whats your gamerscore? my 76,000 plus and im leaving
191,865 GS and counting, and it is not just the gamerscore. I am an "XBox fanboy". Nevertheless I am still able to see the PR nightmare here. I am just flabbergasted microsoft didn't see this and act accordingly, with aforementioned price drop.
the consumers like you are doomed, you allow microsoft to keep you by the balls because you care so much about achievements. I seen so many comments on the playstation website from xbox gamers saying they are so fed up with and ready to ditch xbox and get a PS4 but they can't because they don't want to lose all there achievements.
Um people that want the better product??. Stupid question.
When ps3 was 699$ people cared and there was an outrage( albeit it was the first blueray player in the market and had cell processor).
So stop your damage controlling!!
The gap is bigger than the previous gen and people have full right to know which product gives them the best buck for their money. These MS shills seriously needs to stop downplaying the facts.
Sorry I meant to say best bang for their buck. A typo :P
Also, the PS3 was 599$ (U.S) for me. Actually after a quick google search the ps3 NEVER cost 699$ in ANY Region.
It won't let me post what I wanted to say, did more googling and saw that I was wrong, won't let me post my links. Gave you a bubble up
Would you pay $600 for a PC that ran games at 720p, or $500 for a PC that ran games at 1080p? It's a no brainer.
People care about these things, and so they should!
If only the vast majority of you all on this site could take a step back and look at yourselves. This constant berating of people for having a preference (Xbox or PlayStation) is so sad and pathetic. We were once all gamers and enjoyed the games we played, and told each other about it, we didn't brag and shout at each other. Time to grow up... No?
Was waiting for that, based on the disagrees. This place is pathetic at the minute.
@jimbobbers: Its all in good humour. Thats what we gamers do. We brag about our games being better than yours. Our networks better than yours, our exclusives are better than yours, etc. It's about bragging rights and Sony have just claimed the bragging rights!
That's a side effect of having different preferences. It's present EVERYWHERE where there's a choice of what you want to prefer. From soap operas to sports, people are gonna boo what they don't like and "I can't believe you think" at other people. Has nothing to do with growing up or being immature. That's just a convenient excuse; I've seen it used a lot by people who can't really justify their preference anymore.
Well if it wasn't for the price difference then no one would complain. But its obvious that some people don't like the tradeoff between graphic and the camera. Nexus 7 2013
So now it boils down to who cares?! Jesus H.Christ. Yesterday it was 720p is fine, they can just upscale and balance will be achieved? MS supporters truly are blinded.