"Chris Cobb, co-founder of Rag Tag Studio gives his honest opinion about the PS4's GPU."
I completely agreed. "I’m sure toward the end of the life cycle games will not be able to compete with their PC counterparts, but they should be close enough for all but the strictest graphics snobs,” he explained."
console player pops disc in no upgrade needed to play no settings to set no worries if it can handle the game at the end 399$.pc player look at the specs and see if u need to upgrade or buy certain graphics card or os system . pc gaming is a headache to just play, console is simple . u have to really know what ur doing to game on pc. even though pcs can run games a better it will cost u more than 399 to do so.
Actually that "headache" is half the fun for a lot of PC gamers. Like many other communities, car guys like to tinker with their rides, PC guys take an interest in the finer details of their rigs/specs. Yes PC gaming is more expensive, so what, if it's your hobby your not always concerned with 'doing it on the cheap'.
"u have to really know what ur doing to game on pc. " Yeah and it's not a headache.
actually you can build a $350 pc that can play it all on medium settings @1080p with: AMD A10-6800k AsRock mobo G.Skill 2x4GB 2133Mhz Memory 500GB Western Digital Caviar Blue 430watt PSU case but i do agree. the average consumer will not know even half of the things i listed above. but saying you need to spend a lot of money to pc game is just incorrect
I have that APU... its fine...but it can by no means 'play it all' at medium settings...its a very game by game basis...it can max out something like warframe (albeit, at 720)...but i played the bf4 beta on that apu before i bought my discrete card...and...i don't want to talk about it... I just still think there are better options for even mild PC gaming, as far as discrete cards go...you'll spend an extra $100 total or so, over just that APU...but it would be very worth it imo... or...wait until late this year and see what the Kaveri line up has...the 6800k replacement is rumored to have a 7800 series gpu...and thats ps4 territory...probably for about $175...
Some people like having those options, though. They like being able to upgrade their PC and have control over what type of experience they're going to have. Hey, I know there's a lot of talk about upgrading, but what about downgrading? What if you don't like nice graphics and want the bear minimum and want the option to turn everything down? There's that, plus you can download and/or make mods to customise the game and make your games infinitely replayable with user-generated content and patches. On the subject of money, games on PC are cheaper on average and steam offers way better deals on games, making it the go-to place for digital distribution. Not to mention if your console bricks you find yourself having to rely on the company that sold it to you. Whereas if your pc breaks, you can find the part that doesn't work and swap it out or claim warranty- which you get on each individual part if you build it yourself. And then it's not just a game playing device. You can do your work on it. At the end of the day, it's also a desktop computer you can use for general computing purposes. And guess what? Your gaming PC edits videos and photoshops images way faster than the crappy 10 year old dell they have in the office. And don't even get me started on multi-monitoring setups. I'm just defending PC because graphics are not the be all and end all of video gaming. Everyone thinks it's woo graphics but it's not. For some people it's a question of convenience and making the decision that suits them.
I agree its a headache. I just want to pop the game in a play. I use to game on PC in the early 90's. I got tired of having to upgrade to play the game. Anybody remember cyberia http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w...
@Lance_Leon_Lionheart 350$? Try that in MTL, CA.
PC gaming: Better Hardware > Skills
i'm having lots of fun with thoese headaches, actually i'm loving it
PC is gaming hardware is more expensive but I find it has a longer life IF you are happy to play at near console level graphics. But it's also important to remember how much cheaper PC games are and with the PS4/X1 prices the gap is getting close to half so after 10 games you can be looking at a difference of £250/$400. The PS4 yet again is opting with p2p online so you're reliant on a random user hosting and the endless countdowns as the game transfers the host data and sets the game up. Only BF3 offered the PS3 a decent online PC like experience and what a difference it made. It's also worth noting that while you can spend huge amounts on PC gaming for that ultimate graphics level a PC is a hell of a lot cheaper and more realistic if you are happy to create a more flexible PS4 equivalent. AMD 7870's are really quite cheap now, a 500GB HD is peanuts, an i5 CPU, motherboard, 8Gb ram and Win7 you not that far off the PS4/X1 price and at least you can choose whether to run at 720p/900p or have full 1080p but maybe lower the shadow details rather than having the visuals decided for you.
Yeah and what can you do on your playstation besides gaming? I thought so, you can watch Netflix, like that is all. On a PC you can actually work, create presentations, surf the web the way it is meant to, because it is originally fittet for PC controls like Mouse/Keyboard, you can program your own programs, write documents and like a billion things, that you can only do on a PC, besides gaming. Basically, what is different from a normal PC to a gaming PC is only the graphics card. People always act like a gaming PC is only for gaming, just because your hardware is so limited in this area, doesnt mean, that the full PC price is just for gaming and that you simply can compare PC price tag with console price tag. If you want to compare it, take 75% of the pricetag of the graphics card, take maybe 30% of the pricetag of the CPU, add another $30 for the extra ram and then you might be able to compare the actual experiences, based on its gaming and price.
Haha really? 2 year old PC GPU'S are better than PS 4 & Xbox one. PC is already leaps and bounds ahead of console hardware
I just bought a sapphire R9 280x Toxic Edition...which is a graphics core from late 2011...and its over twice as powerful as the PS4's gpu...so not sure why you got disagrees... ps4, at least, seems fine...bf4 on it, according to most, is damn close to higher pc settings...just not quite at 1080...definitely not bad for a $400 box imo...
He got disagrees, because the console fannies, who shows more and more, to have no knowledge about hardware, cannot accept, that PC are already ahead, it just doesnt fit into their own little vision of their world, they want to live in ;)
Unfortunately Chrischi1988, this seems to be the case. So narrow minded it's unreal
Yeah my GTX 670 can already give both the PS4 and XB1 the business. Looking at AMD 290X or 290 for my future upgrade, just waiting on manufactures to come out with better heatsinks, good lord those cards get hot. Even so I have the PS4 on pre-order and the XB1 I plan on getting early next year.Can't beat the exclusive contents both systems offer, just a shame Sony and MS went for power efficient instead of powerful chipsets.
I think that's my biggest disappointment in this generation. Last gen, consoles were somewhat competitive when they were released. This generation they were way underpowered from the start. Granted, I don't need want an $800 dollar console, but I'd at least like something that will natively use all the pixels on my TV screen. Right now, I'm thinking I'll upgrade to a series 7 Nvidia after the price cut(rocking a 580 right now) for most games and have the consoles for sports and exclusives.
I'm with lsujester They choose present instead of the future. But still , i can't miss ps4 exclusives XP.
That GPU alone is about $300.
@ Sirlancealot I paid about $406 shipped, but hey if you got the money and you want the best playing experience at that point in time why not? Do I think PC gaming is a waste of money? Oh yeah, paying $400 plus for video cards I know I won't get the mileage out, especially when compared to consoles. So yeah consoles can represent a much better value comparatively to PC gaming depending on the user. The problem consoles have is the static hardware, I find myself being less impressed as time goes along. That is why I spend X amount of money on my PC hardware, which I use for gaming and personal media production. I get my money's worth regarding my CPU and Ram, only component I feel like developers and manufactures short hand consumers is the video cards. Switching back to AMD probably in December, if Mantle claims to be console level programming maybe I will get more out of my $400 plus video card in the future.
@lance leon you forgot the gpu. sorry my fault you are writting about an apu
I completely disagree. Playing on PC is not about graphics snobbery. Being able to play with higher fps and higher resolution and with faster loading times can make the experience a lot richer for gamers, not to mention game mods. Of course consoles provide a good easy experience and at a lower price but for gamers with the money, PC is the way to go for most multiplatform games. Games like Far Cry 3, Skyrim, Hitman Absolution, Borderlands 2, Bioshock Infinite, Sleeping Dogs, Tomb Raider, Assassin's Creed IV, Battlefield 3 / 4 and Crysis 3 all play and look better on PC. As the generation goes on, PC will push further and further ahead and with the introduction of SteamOS and the likely revival of OpenGL and the availability of Mantle, PC games will be on an entirely different level.
Obvious article lol
Haha pretty much. It's common sense, you don't need a degree in game development to know that.
"Degree in game development" Sigh*facepalm* Why I am not surprised.
Comparing either console gaming to PC gaming is just stupid so can we please stop? We console gamers understand we will never have those amazing graphics does it look like we give a rats behind? NO, because guess what we play consoles for the experience, so enough with the omg these graphics are nothing compared to PC we understand that. I have a question for you PC gamers though where are your exclusives? Yea you lose.
Don't like the comparisons, stop clicking on them. It's really that easy. Obviously (although you do speak for EVERY console gamer) some people do care how it stacks up against PC and what's wrong with that? PC being the benchmark (at a premium) it's nice to know how your "bang for buck" console compares. Or whether that extra investment was justified. It only seems an issue with people who expect their £400 console to trump a £1800 PC. Just take it for what it is.
There are 10x more exclusives on PC than all current and next gen consoles combined. Please STFU with that.
Where are your modern exclusives? I play PC. I have played tons of PC's greatest exclusives but most are old and have been played. Not much to look forward to game wise.
Tordavis you jump from Xbot to PC elitist when convenient. No one on consoles care. PC will always have better graphics, while consoles will remain more mainstream. Every PC elitist can name cheap parts all day. The facts are the price of entry is too steep for mainstream markets. Consoles will always have the bigger communities. Even Battfield, once a Pro-PC franchise is seeing bigger communities on console.
No one is being elitists...Xbot? I was responding to another post by @Stuntz that stated... "I have a question for you PC gamers though where are your exclusives? Yea you lose." So I can't respond and correct someone about PC gaming without being called an elitist or Xbot? I bet I own more Playstation games than you. Please, GTFO with that [email protected]!
@Stuntz "I have a question for you PC gamers though where are your exclusives? Yea you lose." Considering that every game I have bought on PC for the past decade can be played on the same system I'm using today(I can't play my PS2 games on my PS3 or my PS3 games on the PS4), I'd say that PC has more exclusives than any console has games combined.
The funny thing is most PC gamers OWN everything because they have the disposable income to do so. After buying a titan do you think they would just cry and complain about how they can not play a exclusive? even better one! Do you own a wii u? its a great next gen system!
PC has a tonne more exclusives than console lol. Ok they might not be to everyone's taste but damn, if you don't own a gaming PC, how can you comment
More importantly. DAT GDDR5 :] My inner nerd is salivating with excitement.
Really tho. Wats the point of these articles. Well duh the pc will outshine consoles. They have new upgrades every 3 months... consoles are now being built for the mass consumer that do not wanna spend money to keep up with new tech every few months. Are the pc crowd that insecure. These things are created to cater to their respected crowd. Its like every time a dev says this, the pc gamers come in like " consolz are teh crap... pc over the world"... Its cool to worship the new lamborghini you bought. Very powerful. Very fast. Looks amazing. Compared to my mustang... when that oil change comes around or the water pump fails or that 900 mile trip. Things look a whole lot better driving tha ol stang.
Another pointless car analogy, that's just what we need. Thanks.
Lol. What about this pointless article. I mean its like saying fire burns... Well Duh! Lol But its okay. I had a opinion and I get disagrees and hostility because of.... oh. Yea. PPR. PC POWER RANGERS. Your point and this article pwill not change anything. Pc gamers will not gain more gamers for Word of Warcraft. The console gamers will continue buying consoles. You need more bubbles too. ;x
It's just a very vocal but very small minority of PC gamers that go on and on and on about the specs of their graphics cards. hung like mosquitoes probably
couple comments above "More importantly. DAT GDDR5 :] My inner nerd is salivating with excitement. " And thats not the first, and far not the last time.
yeah true. I've been guilty of fan boy troll comments too ... its a bit of fun really. I'm sure we'd all get on fine in person. I'm just feeling peace and love for all gamers today.
Yes, they will obviously. But who cares? I will have fun playing all games in the next years without spending tons of money on hardware XD
Agreed. All of my fav series are on console/handheld. And i don't want to upgrade my hardware every f*kin year with a price that can buy two or three PS3. So that's the only important matter to me.
People buy PCs to last for years. I bought my PC more than four years ago and never upgraded it. It's a silly excuse for console gamers to justify not playing on PC. But that's the beauty of PC. If I wanted to upgrade it, I could. PS3 has terrible framerates and resolution, and even though I wanted the option to upgrade it to get better graphics, that option doesn't exist.
'And i don't want to upgrade my hardware every f*kin year with a price that can buy two or three PS3.' I swear some of you people live on another planet, the crap you come out with. WE DON'T HAVE TO UPGRADE EVERY YEAR. Do you understand? You can enjoy your games, and I'll enjoy all the games you have available and all the other games I have available on pc. Having a greater selection of games is always a good thing in my eyes, as a gamer. I wouldn't like to restrict myself, which is why I have consoles as well as a gaming pc. Otherwise I'd miss out on this, the game I'm most looking forward to this year - http://www.youtube.com/watc... If I only gamed on console I wouldn't have a single Space sim to choose from on current gen or next gen so far. There's more to pc gaming than upgrading, there are games that simply aren't available on console. Many games, and that's what's important to me.
@Nerdmaster "People buy PCs to last for years. I bought my PC more than four years ago and never upgraded it. It's a silly excuse for console gamers to justify not playing on PC." Don't get me wrong bub. I already tried my way as a PC gamer years ago because my friends reccomend it to me. But everytime i upgraded my PC, it doesn't last long. Hell, the last gaming rig that i build (reminds you, i spent $350 to build it) only last a half year (the GPU got blow up and the slot for RAM doesn't work anymore). And to make it worse, my local store only gave one year guaranty for every single hardware that i bought from them. That's why i said 'FUCK THIS! I'm stick with my console & handheld!' "But that's the beauty of PC. If I wanted to upgrade it, I could. PS3 has terrible framerates and resolution, and even though I wanted the option to upgrade it to get better graphics, that option doesn't exist." That's why i don't care about better graphics and all those mumbo jumbo such as aliasing this, shader that, frame rate this, etc on PC. Because with every money i spent to upgrade on PC, i can use it to buy the games i want for my console / handheld. That's the beauty of console gaming. @DoctorJones "I swear some of you people live on another planet, the crap you come out with. WE DON'T HAVE TO UPGRADE EVERY YEAR. Do you understand?" I understand, but if i don't upgrade every year than my gaming rig can't catch up with driver, shader, and all those mumbo jumbo BS that Nvidia / AMD promoted every year just to play the newest games! With consoles, i don't have to scratch my head AND wallet if my gaming rig doesn't compatible with shader X, aliasing this, etc when i want to play a game. "You can enjoy your games, and I'll enjoy all the games you have available and all the other games I have available on pc. Having a greater selection of games is always a good thing in my eyes, as a gamer." Well go ahead. You free to do what you want that fit with your ideal AND money. But not every person have the time AND money like you. I'm satisfied gaming on console / handheld without worrying if my hardware can't handle the latest Uncharted, FF, Disgaea, Tales, etc ;)
"if i don't upgrade every year than my gaming rig can't catch up with driver, shader, and all those mumbo jumbo BS that Nvidia / AMD promoted every year" So you don't buy smartphones because every 6 months they release another one and they try to convince you that you can't live without the newest one? Wow, your phone must be very, very old. The same way you don't buy a new smartphone everytime they release a new one (or do you?) because your old one is more than enough for you, you don't buy a new PC if your current one is enough for you. As I said, I still have the same PC from 4 years ago.
Why is this news, this is known with any console. The difference is with a console they dev on the same denominator so we all share an equal experience and it doesn't cost you time and money in upgrades until a new gen is out. Common sense folks.
next year Nvidia is set to release their Maxwell series, which is going to introduce GDDR6 and a whopping 14Teraflops. So yeah, of course pc gpus are going to out gun ps4/xbone gpus. But honestly if you are console gamer you shouldnt be bothered by this anyway. Just enjoy your console. i know i will with that KZ:shadowfall/PS4 ;)
or they could stop being so damn cheap, save a few dollars a week and make the jump to PC gaming! The best of both worlds is never a bad thing.
to play what? To waste all that GPU raw power on games I don't like, like: RTS or F2P MMOs? Have you seen the charts of the most played PC games? It's stuff like League of Legends that look like a PS2 HD remaster. The truth is that PC has very few games (if any) like Uncharted, God of War or Ratchet & Clank. So to me PC is pointless, except for the few multiplats it gets which BTW, PC still doesn't even has GTA V.
Sorry my few dollars a week are going towards one of these http://m.specialized.com/us... and a base model with the accessories I want will be around $4000-$4500. Some people have hobbies outside of gaming and would find their time and money better used dealing with a simple no hassle console. Console in numerous ways for me is the far better choice. I could sell people on either pc or console but I can recognize that neither is best for everyone and both have their own niche they fill that the other can't. Would rather buy a 2nd Kayak and some new camping/hiking gear for $1500-$2000 then a beast pc.
@wishingW3L You mean games like Tomb Raider, Devil May Cry and any generic 3D platform games? Yeah, there are many like those on PC. And you know those HD remakes console gamers get so excited about? On PC, if you want to play an older game, you only have to change a setting to make it full HD and you're good to go. The game was already cheaper than the console version when it was new, and you don't have to buy it again to play in high resolution. And it may even have mods to make it even better.
Well said. I agree. I am a console gamer and I understand that high end PCs will always outperform XBOX One or PS4 for graphics, frame rate, resolution and just general raw power but I'm okay with that. I can't afford a bleeding edge gaming PC and I'm happy with a £350 console with inferior specs. I like the console experience. That PCs get better over time is great for gamers and so is release of new consoles so in everyones best interests that hardware moves forward :)
My 4670k and my x2 7970s destroy these silly specced consoles. Will I get a ps4 absolutely but can it compete with pc never
Stop with these 'PC' articles that refers to the audience as a mass with Aryan specifications to boot. It's embarrassing to read each time it implies any 'PC' can achieve satisfactory gaming levels. Yeah I have a 'PC', and I do my casual rounds of Mechwarrior online on low settings bumbling at 30 frames. But I also make good use of productivity on it, rendering my videos and camera RAW photos, never needed nor ever looked back since selling my GTX670.
a 3 year old mid spec gpu like a gtx 560 ti CRAPS all over the ps4 modern gpus utterly decimate the ps4/xbox1
'pc gpus will run past ps4' More like HAVE ran past ps4, and lapped it twice
Made me laugh
I think it's hilarious that these consoles kids think pc gaming is so much more expensive. The few hundred dollars more I'll spend building it ( and yeah, only a few, I dont need $800 to build something to blow the PS4 out of the water), Ill save in not having to pay for online services and Steam sales in the first year alone. More expensive my ass. And the argument of exclusives just shows how ignorant you console kids really are. PC exclusives FAR outnumber console exclusives. You guys love to pick the fight but cant take it when you lose.
Not to mention PCs have far greater functional use per dollar than a console. Its impractical to browse the internet on a console for more than a google search, and you can't launch or open programs such as photoshop or Microsoft word like on a regular PC. So at like a 600-800 dollar price, you got something that blows away PS4 and XB1 in terms of graphical power as well as blowing them away in functional use for things other than gaming.
cant forget about mods.
Can't beat facts
Cunnilumpkin, stop talking crap. PS4 beats the gtx 560 ti by about 15-20fps.
Just no. Would really like to see some back to this claim.